Up North Jake - Life's Packages, Rock Bottom, and Following Through - Episode #63

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What's up friends?
Welcome back to Ruden Wisconsin.

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Appreciate you for clicking
another episode.

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Grateful to have you here.
Today's episode is with Up

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North, Jake Northwoods, rapper
from Wisconsin.

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Awesome, awesome episode.
We talked a little bit about his

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art and creation.
We talked a lot about life,

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mindset, mentality.
He really opens up about some

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past struggles he's had and what
ultimately led him to stop

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drinking.
We talked about his motivation

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on a day-to-day basis and what
the grind looks like being an

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independent artist and how you
make that come to life.

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We talked about the value of
meditation and mindfulness and

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gratitude.
We talked about his roots based

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in faith and much, much more.
Fascinating conversation.

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I'm so happy to have you here
with us for it.

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Thanks for being here.
Let's get it going up north,

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Jake, so have the ways we try to
lift our.

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Where did the love go?
Where did the talk?

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And we need to help to make
this.

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So I ran across your stuff.
This is what, a couple months

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ago?
Something like that.

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We've been in contact.
And what immediately drew me to

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it is I love the resonance of
your message of being proud of

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where you are and shining this
like positive light on it.

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That's a big part of what I'm
trying to do with the podcast.

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Like we are Wisconsin and
Wisconsin nights are so much

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more than this.
Like the nationwide perception

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we have of just like cheese curd
eating, you know, people here

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and like so many of your songs
and so many of your posts are

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about being proud of it and
shining a positive light on it

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and stewarding it.
And like from from like the

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first video you had on, I was
like, I got to talk to this

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dude.
So what?

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Like, why do you feel like that?
Let's start there.

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What gives you so much pride
about being where you're from?

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I think, I think at first it was
more, I was actually a little

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bit more bitter about it.
Yeah, because and I tried to run

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away from it.
Like as a youth I was just like,

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man, I wouldn't, I'm never
really been like a a big hunter.

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Like I never my dad or wasn't
really around much.

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So he didn't, he didn't like get
me into hunting.

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By the time that I was old
enough, my grandpa was like too

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cold outside.
He wasn't trying to teach me how

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to hunt or whatever.
And so like right away I felt

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like one of the most famous
pastimes that we have, I didn't

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really resonate with like
although I was going fishing and

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you know, like catching turtles
and frogs as a kid, like

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swimming and everything.
It I felt like a disconnect when

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I got a little older.
So at first it, it was actually

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like some resentment.
And then I think what I kind of

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came to was like, no matter what
you do or where you go, you are

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where you're from.
And I, and I just started

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realizing like if I showcase it
the way that I am instead of

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like, instead of the way
everyone else like sees it, I

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almost was like on their side,
you know, like, oh, there's

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nothing here but cows and cheese
and, and, and Hicks, you know,

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because in highs I grew up in a
high school with, I grew up in a

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city like 60,000 people.
So like the Hicks were like an

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actual group in high school, you
know, and it's like I wasn't

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fitting in with them.
I was more like with the

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skaters.
And, you know, so the rebellion

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against the country came when I
was like, a little bit older.

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But I realized that, like, the
best years of my life, the best

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times of my life were jumping
off the cliffs into the river,

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fishing with my grandpa, going
out on the boat, snowmobiling

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across the lakes.
And then I realized that, like,

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that's where my piece really,
really is.

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And I was like, at the end of
the day, all those things were

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enjoyed with friends and family.
And so embodying like that we

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have these things we do together
that involve our family and our

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friends all the time is why it's
a great place, you know?

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Yeah, dude, it, it connects.
I mean, it's easy to look past

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that in your youth.
It's easy to see, like you hear

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stories about other places and
it's really important to get out

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and see other things too.
It it widens your, your depth of

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life.
But at the same time, you

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realize, at least I did as I
aged.

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You, you you put it plainly and
very well that you you are where

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you grew up, man.
Like it's it's connected to you.

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That's awesome.
You.

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When you're talking about that,
I couldn't stop thinking there's

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this one reel you posted with
all those deer hides behind you

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in a bonfire.
Yeah.

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Like that shines a light on that
man.

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It's striking visually and it's
cool.

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Yeah, I think, I think this this
this round.

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Lately I've been trying to be as
obnoxious as possible.

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So like, instead of going to
like my friend's house and being

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like, yeah, let's show the deer
mounts on your, on your wall.

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I'm like, let's go to the rez
where my, my homeboy just can,

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can harvest as many deer as he
wants.

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So he's always has more than
everybody else, you know, and he

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kind of went in, he he went and
got musky mounts and mounted

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them outside for the shot.
And his son was in the video

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with a clown mask on, you know,
and we're dancing with deer

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heads.
And I think it's like it's

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somewhat kind of kind of
gruesome, but it's also like,

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no, this is actually like what
these guys do.

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And there's really nothing that
you're going to say to change

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their mind or change what goes
on up here.

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And it's cool, man.
It's like, who else can go and

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do that and shoot a rap video?
You know, it's like nobody else

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because they don't have access
like that.

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Yeah.
So.

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And it would be completely
inauthentic, right?

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You got to be doing that.
And you got to be connected to

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it.
Exactly.

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Yeah.
Yeah.

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It's it's awesome.
I, I get a kick out.

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I must have watched that 156
times like.

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That one took off pretty good on
Instagram.

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So I, I did like just posting
consistently for like 100 days

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or something and that was like
day 46 or something.

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I had got one to go on
Instagram.

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So it was, it was interesting to
see how long it took of

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consistent Wisconsin posting.
So I just tried to, you know,

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just 100% be that guy and not
not really go outside of that,

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even though we're all so many
different things.

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I was like for this round, it's
just Wisconsin's just up north.

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And it seemed to pop off on on
every platform pretty well

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except for YouTube so far.
But I man a consistency on that

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one's a little.
Yeah, so different.

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Yeah.
So I teach social media

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marketing and I can't, I can't
figure out YouTube.

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The ones that I put up, the
shorts that I put up that I

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think are just not going to do
anything.

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They'll do five times as better
as the ones that I, I think

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aren't going to do anything.
And I I can't figure it.

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Out and you didn't.
You can't figure out why those

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ones are.
Why the other platforms like I

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generally kind of know like if I
did this or if I pulled this

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string, I try not to do that
because like I want it similar

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to you, I want to make authentic
content.

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So I haven't done much of the
skit stuff.

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I haven't done that those
things, but like generally I

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know with the other platforms,
like if I make this type of

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thing, it'll do pretty well.
YouTube.

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I have no idea what the what the
shorts makes them go.

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It's I think they're they have a
formula, but enough about that.

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That's what I was saying
earlier.

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I honestly get no satisfaction
out of looking at the number.

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Like I like seeing the growth,
but then I go into business mode

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where I'm like, how am I doing
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Why am I, you know, how do I get
this to scale?

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And then I'm just like, well,
you, you know, I was doing it

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for myself.
And then all the sudden I find

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myself doing it for every other
reason.

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And I'm like, well, that doesn't
make sense because that's not

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what got me here.
You know, like, like I call it

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my, I just keeps kind of
reverting to my latest run

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because we had talked about
earlier, I did that podcast a

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couple years ago, which is
actually when the Up North Jake

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album popped off.
And that's when all the songs

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that I got better, I'm getting a
good run run with right now.

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That's when they are actually
released.

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So it was like a couple years
ago and I knew the, I knew what

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to do.
Like I knew, like Up North Jake,

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I knew it, but it just didn't.
It just didn't go.

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And then when I got more dialed
in on just being consistent, I

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was re sharing a lot of the same
stuff, cutting it in different

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ways, and then it all popped
off.

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And so I was like I knew I was
right.

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And so I kind of doubled back.
So I call this like my latest

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run and it's just it's it's like
I said, it's it's just I don't

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even know what my point was, but
it's just more obnoxious and

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it's more consistent.
And it's just kind of like

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dialing in on one niche thing.
You know, the Packer thing was

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kind of that's that's a third
season that the song, that

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Packer song has been out.
Yeah.

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And see, that's what I mean.
It's like the players are still

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relevant.
The only.

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It's weird like that.
Like God works in mysterious

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ways.
And it's like it just ended up

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getting its moment this year
instead, you know?

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And it just proves that you got
a, you got to kind of grind

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stuff out longer than you may
think, you know?

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Life delivers packages, man, and
in the universe rewards hard

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work and intention and it always
happens.

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You know, persistence is super
valuable and you know, a lot of

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times we get it.
We want it when we want it, but

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we get it when we need it.
Absolutely.

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Every time.
I think because it's like you,

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any of you can almost stop
yourself and think while you're

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freaking out about it.
Like man, I want this to happen

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now.
You're like, I don't know if you

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can handle that right now.
You might need a minute.

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So I OK, I think there's
something to that.

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I really do, because when I
think of all like the things

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that I've been impatient for in
my life that I thought I was

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ready for, but I didn't get
delivered that package.

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Yeah, when it ultimately ended
up coming made complete sense

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when you look backwards on it.
Like I, I was ready.

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I was just actually talking
about this with my wife

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yesterday.
There's a music artist I like

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that got pretty famous, like
relatively young, like he's

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probably 25 or something like
that.

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Yeah.
And I was telling her, like, I

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can't imagine being delivered a
bunch of money and fame at 25.

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The human I was, yeah, probably
would have died.

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Like it wouldn't been ready.
Yeah, no way.

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I, I, I came into a very small
amount of money, but it was like

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sufficient enough at I think it
was like 13 years ago and I just

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blew right through it.
It didn't take any time.

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And I'm like, well, what did I
buy?

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You know, even that is like, you
don't even have anything.

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It's almost like when you're
really getting serious about

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something, whether it be, you
know, music or videography or

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podcast, if you have to buy
everything like piece by piece,

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because you, you have to be
very, like you said about

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intention, you have to be
intentional with it.

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And so even having a bunch of
money and buying all this gear,

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it's like, would you use it even
because you'd almost be not

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having to?
Why you just buy all the best

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stuff all the time?
Yep.

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Are you even?
Are you committed to the thing

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you're buying it for or, or is
the thing masking the thing that

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you're buying?
Is that masking what the actual

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missioner end product is?
Right.

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Yeah, So, yeah, man, Life
delivers those packages.

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It's great that yours got
delivered because I, I think the

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message is super cool, man.
It's it, it's a, it's a breath

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of fresh air to see like it,
like you said, even the one that

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you said you're trying to be
obnoxious on.

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It's visually striking and
stuff.

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And there is a little things in
there that make people look.

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But at the same time, your core
message you can tell is very

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well thought out and it's very
you're trying to do something.

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Yeah.
And that's what gets rewarded.

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Man, that's awesome.
What's up?

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What's on your chain?
I keep looking.

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At your oh, this is my cousin
right here, my cousin Dylan.

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He had passed away at age 30.
I think it's been it was during

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the middle of COVID like 2022.
Yeah, he passed away in 2022.

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He was just like a he was a the
biggest like supporter of mine,

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but he was he was younger than
me.

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He's my younger cousin, so he
really just like looked up to me

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big time.
And, you know, when people like

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that like pass away and they
look up to you like that, it's

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hard not to be like, man, I wish
I would have, you know, been

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there a little bit more.
But he he had a drinking

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problem.
And then when he had got COVID,

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all of his organs just, you
know, like a couple of, you

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know, whatever he was supposed
to work didn't work.

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So it was COVID that got him.
I mean, I, I, me being sober

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almost seven years now from
alcohol, I'm going to attribute

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that to being the biggest factor
to be in, you know, to bring him

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to his demise, honestly.
And I feel like it's just one of

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those things, man, that you got
to wash your consumption of.

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100%.
And I feel like it leads to bad

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decisions and ultimately the
numbing just becomes normality.

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And then all the sudden your
body doesn't work correctly and

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that and that's, you know, COVID
was tough.

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I don't know if you know, you
feel like you had gotten COVID.

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I know everybody has a different
view of what what went on, but I

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definitely got really sick a
couple times and it was pretty

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hard on me.
And I'm a guy who doesn't really

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get sick that much.
So I can imagine that his body

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wasn't wasn't stable enough to
react through getting through

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that and unfortunately we lost
them.

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Yeah, so I didn't.
That's something I came across

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the pond after I started
watching your stuff a little

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bit.
But I want to talk about

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sobriety a bit too, because I I
quit drinking probably man, nine

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years ago now, something like
that.

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Congratulations.
Thanks, man.

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And I am, I didn't know the
positive benefits that it was

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going to have in my life until I
did it.

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Dude, it's a it's unbelievable.
And I'm now whenever I get the

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chance to talk about it.
And that's another thing about

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the Wisconsin culture that I, if
I was, if I could pull the

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strings on the puppets, like, I
would change that a little bit

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because I don't like, it's fine.
Like I, I don't disparage

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anybody for drink and I drank my
fair share.

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I look all throughout my life.
Yeah.

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And if they like, that's a
choice.

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And I'm I'm happy for them if it
makes them happy.

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I don't think it makes many
people happy.

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Actually, yeah, I don't either.
And secondarily, I don't like

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how we use it as a positive
spin.

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Yeah, it's weird being a
Wisconsinite.

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It's a weird thing dude.
Super weird, yeah.

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So what led you to quit
drinking?

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Drugs.
Yep.

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I was doing drugs every time I
drank and then it was like 3

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nights a week and then I was in
like recovering for three days a

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week.
So then what?

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I was like half sober for one
day a week.

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I started counting the days that
I was hungover, like I was like,

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let me, let me think of this.
So if I do this for a year, how

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many days am I hungover?
And I was like, this is crazy

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and just rock bottom, really bad
decisions.

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And then I'm like, what are you
really trying to do?

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You know, I, I think there's a
lot of self sabotage that was

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rooted there too, but it was
definitely addiction.

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Cocaine was my main drug that
just every time I drank, I would

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be trying to get some cocaine
and then I was just like, you

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know, everything just started
getting shitty.

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Like life was not good like
that.

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And I'm usually a grinder, like
super hustler.

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My mom is super busy person and
I get that I think from her and

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maybe more of my family, family
lineage.

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And I just couldn't hinder that
anymore.

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I'm like, dude, what are you
doing?

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Like you're, you're not the dude
that works 9:00 to 5:00 and

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hates his job and drinks his
life away.

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Like you're the guy that fucking
inspires people to quit their

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fucking job and do exactly what
they want every day.

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And that was, that's pretty much
the clear, the clearest thought

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I ever had.
I love it man.

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Good on you for doing it, good
on you for doing it.

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There's a lot of people that get
trapped in the circle that have

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those thoughts, but they don't
follow through on it.

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It's hard, yeah, I get it.
But like you said, when you're

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out of the drinking cycle, it's
super simple.

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Yeah.
Because it doesn't even make

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sense to you anymore.
Yeah, you're like, I'm so quick

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witted and like ready for any
conversation, ready for any

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deal, like anything, you know?
And it's like, what are you

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going to tell somebody?
Ordered a few drinks?

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I'm not ready to make that
decision.

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It's like that's, it's just so
childish.

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It's a weird move man.
It really is.

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Yeah.
I love that you brought up the

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lost time aspect.
I I was always like, I always

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got really bad hangovers.
And that ultimately ended up

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being one of the reasons that I
quit drinking was I think I

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developed some type of allergy
to alcohol where like the the

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last drinks I ever had, I played
in a golf tournament one day and

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then I had one beer and one
Bloody Mary.

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And on the way home, I had to
pull over my truck, my leg, this

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wicked migraine, like I couldn't
look in the light and anything.

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And I think it was probably
developing throughout my life

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because my hangovers were always
terrible.

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And it hangs me, man, like it.
There's very few things in life

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that I like truly regret.
One that I truly regret is.

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All of the time that I spent
laying on the couch on a Sunday,

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wasting the entire day feeling
like shit, yeah, because I was

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hungover.
And that was just one of those

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things that I had never really
thought about because it was

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like, well, that's what we do.
We live in Wisconsin.

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Exactly.
Drunk and then programming.

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Yeah, and I can't stand that.
I can't stand how much time I

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wasted being hungover.
Yeah.

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Drives me nuts, but man, that's
there's so much positivity in

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that message dude, that that of
like the the light on the other

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end of the tunnel is so bright.
If more people just decide to

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make the make the steps.
So that's awesome.

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Got some carousers non alcoholic
beverages if you want when

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they're.
These are excellent.

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Actually, I they sent me a case.
Of they said they were going to,

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yeah.
And they're great.

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And I was like, they're like,
tell us your favorite flavors.

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I'm like, I like all the flavors
like, and that actually I, I

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went to a friend's giving and I
brought them there and I drink

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four of them because everyone
else is drinking.

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I'm like, well, you know, and
it's, I don't like, I am a

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cannabis user, but I actually do
smoke my cannabis.

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I don't like edibles because
they throw me off like badly.

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But these are excellent.
They don't have that.

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They're like probably 1 of the
greatest social drinking ideas

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I've seen so far because
they're, they don't fuck you up,

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but they look like they would
like, they look like a craft

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beer.
So you're kind of like, you

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know, and not say you got to fit
in or nothing a lot.

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Of people feel that way though,
yeah, a lot of people feel that

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way.
I was lucky that it seems like

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you may be cut from a similar
cloth, but I could really give a

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shit what other people think,
right?

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So I was, I was one of the lucky
ones that it's like, I'll I'll

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hang out with the same friends.
I'll do the same stuff.

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I will.
And I have enough willpower that

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I'd.
I won't drink.

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It's just fine.
I just know I don't want to do

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it.
But a lot of people aren't

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favorable in that scenario.
Like they feel uncomfortable

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communicating in that
environment without having that

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posted up drink in their hand.
Yeah.

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And it really does.
It makes it lowers that level of

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whatever anxiety that people get
about communicating with others

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or why.
Am I here?

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Why am I here?
They're just serving drinks and

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I don't drink.
But you know, it's, it's all fun

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and stuff.
I don't know.

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It's I mean, I do shows so
drinking for my fans, like I

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don't say a lot about that's why
when you said what what really

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deterred you from drinking?
It was drugs because it lowered

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my inhibition.
So I was making worse decisions.

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It wasn't actually drinking.
So like.

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It was the outcome or the
impacts of drinking, right?

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Yeah, sometimes I'm like, man,
you know, like it'd be nice to

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celebrate with a steak or
something and have like a

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bourbon because the menu says, I
don't know, you know, this pairs

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well with this.
But it just it just the

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responsibility of me being the
leader that sober is just more

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important to me.
Yeah.

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So it's like, whatever, I'm not,
I'm not going to drink because

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it's I'll just be the one to
look up to, you know?

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Yeah.
And how long ago was that?

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When did you quit drinking?
I I so I stopped doing drugs

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January 19th of 2019.
So I'm seven.

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I'll be 7 years sober on the
19th from drugs and then I drank

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two more times.
I think it was June 6th or Yep,

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June 6th 2019 was the last time
I drank and it was just one shot

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but yeah.
Yeah, nice man.

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That's similar to Theo's story.
Theo Von has a similar story.

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His his drug of choice was
cocaine too.

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And the the path to him, I don't
know if he quit drinking or

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severely.
I think he quit drinking too,

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but it was the same path.
That was, you know, that's

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another thing alcohol does both
in a good way and a bad way is

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lower inhibitions and worries
about things and.

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Yeah, yeah.
I remember when I first, like,

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loved alcohol and it was because
I could just talk to anybody.

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That was the feeling in high
school.

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I was like, I could talk to any
girl.

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I don't, I'm not scared to.
And so I think that is like we

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had to go back to talk about
like a social situation.

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I think the first couple of
drinks kind of give these people

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that, you know, and not said
don't remember, but I'm so good

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at just shaking someone's hand
now that it doesn't matter to

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00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,120
me.
And like just kind of talking

447
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,160
right off the cuff of anything
about anything.

448
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,320
You know, it's really easy for
me, but it kind of came with

449
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,320
practice, you know, and I think
a lot of people haven't

450
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,440
practiced without alcohol,
therefore it's a hard

451
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:08,840
introduction for them and maybe
an awkward and whole awkward

452
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,160
experience interaction with
someone because they never get

453
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,000
over that Like, well, I'm just
going to act like I'm buzzed up

454
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,040
for a fucking second and I don't
give a fuck.

455
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,800
That's all it is, Yeah.
So weird.

456
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,240
Yeah, life is weird, man.
It is.

457
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,760
It is.
People are weird.

458
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:27,560
Yeah.
That was another thing.

459
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,200
So like, coming in super
aggressive this time, I knew

460
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,120
everyone was going to hate.
And it was like, that's what I

461
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,040
have to do, OK?
I have to fucking be super

462
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,160
blatant where some people are,
like Wisconsin ain't that hard.

463
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,640
And it's like, how do you know?
Yeah.

464
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,400
Yeah.
It's my story to tell,

465
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,760
absolutely.
And you know.

466
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,240
Yeah, it's your unique lens,
man.

467
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,120
And everybody always tries to do
that, paint these big brush

468
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:56,320
strokes over everything, don't
they?

469
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,240
And it's not what it is, dude.
There's, there's the there's

470
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560
nuance in life.
And there are one of my favorite

471
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,040
songs, a song called You Might
Be Wrong by Paul Thorne.

472
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,680
And he it's exactly that.
He just talks about all the ways

473
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,680
that like, OK, you might think
something, but maybe you're not

474
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,240
exactly right.
And have you looked at it from

475
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,360
every angle and you can't.
And why do we, you know, we try

476
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,800
to, we try to paint these
pictures as humans of.

477
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,120
Yeah, like northern Wisconsin,
is this Milwaukee, is this

478
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,880
central Wisconsin?
Is this big city, rural,

479
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,600
whatever, blah, blah, blah.
You keep going, going, going,

480
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,040
right?
And that's it's just not

481
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,160
effective.
It's not the way it is.

482
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,760
It's it's like you said, it's
just a lens.

483
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,400
So it's like, how are you going
to say what someone on the north

484
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,080
side of Milwaukee dealt with
versus someone on the South side

485
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,200
of Milwaukee or three blocks
away or next door?

486
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,200
Like yes, it might be similar
but dude, you don't know.

487
00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,200
Like it's just so crazy.
Yeah, I had AI had a a

488
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,200
professional basketball player
on a while back named Kiefer and

489
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,560
he grew up in Chicago.
And one of the cool stories that

490
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,920
he told was like it was chaos
outside of his door.

491
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,400
Like he lived in a really tough
area, a lot of bad shit

492
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,280
happening.
But he he mentions one of the

493
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,520
like main things that pushed his
upward trajectory in life.

494
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Was he, when he opened his door
to go home and closed it, it was

495
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,240
pure comfort and love inside,
right?

496
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:28,760
And everything outside of his
life was chaos.

497
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Going to school, constantly
being in danger.

498
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,440
He has so many friends that died
from gun violence, right?

499
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,200
All this shit.
When he closed the door and

500
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,440
locked it, there was a loving
family unit inside of that

501
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,760
house.
Foundation built him into an

502
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:48,320
incredible human right.
That's a prime example of you're

503
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,760
going back to your original
point way early in the podcast

504
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,200
about your environment dictates
who you are as a human, right.

505
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080
It also shapes your perspective
on things.

506
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,120
Very true.
So perspectives are valuable.

507
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:03,320
I don't want to downplay them,
but always people.

508
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,680
We just have to remember that
it's our perspective.

509
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,280
Everybody else has a different
one.

510
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,360
Man, I think I want my kids a
lot.

511
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:15,000
Yeah, like when I'm super
irritated and I'm like, well,

512
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
they're not irritated.
So like their lens is obviously

513
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:23,400
different at this moment.
Or like, I'll get like my, like

514
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,200
my daughter's name is Ella and
I'm like Ella and she'll like

515
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:29,480
laugh at me.
That shit's funny to her.

516
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,360
I'm pissed.
How old are you?

517
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:39,640
I got. 6713 and 18 OK, so I'm,
I'm a little older, but I just,

518
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,840
I kind of keep that young, you
know, spirit.

519
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,880
But man, they are the younger
ones are so funny, man.

520
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,840
And they have this lens that
like my son all day yesterday,

521
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,200
he's just singing his own little
song.

522
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,080
God is good.
It's like they didn't teach him

523
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760
at school.
I wasn't singing that at home.

524
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,200
It's like they have this lens in
this spiritual like intuition

525
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,560
that we lose sight of.
I've definitely connected with

526
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:13,400
it a lot as of recent because
I've, I've just been amplifying

527
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,600
what I want to do.
Like I'm just, and I know I have

528
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:19,320
to work harder for it.
And I think that's as Americans

529
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,760
in general, we're pretty lazy
and like, we think we don't have

530
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,480
to like stay working, but that's
what makes us happy at the end

531
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,040
of the day.
And so I've been really

532
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680
amplifying that up.
And they have that.

533
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,600
They just know what they may not
know what they want to do when

534
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,120
they grow up because maybe they
want to do 50 different things,

535
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:41,080
but they know so much and
they're so in tune and their

536
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,680
lens is pure.
It's more pure than ours because

537
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:50,320
we've seen so much horrible
stuff, you know?

538
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160
So it's, it's pretty cool,
though, just kind of resonating

539
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,800
with like, what the hell are
they thinking right now?

540
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,240
They're fine, happy as heck.
It's like why am I not that way

541
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840
almost.
Where they find happiness, man,

542
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,880
right?
That's been one of the most fun

543
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:11,840
parts about being a dad for me.
Is that like constant reminder

544
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,360
of his mindset like my kids 4.
Yeah, you just got a four year

545
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,600
old 14.
Year old.

546
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,880
Nice.
Yeah, OK.

547
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:24,720
And like just seeing him
navigate things and curiously

548
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,760
explore and just like what
you're saying that like be happy

549
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,320
in the face of the something
that an adult probably wouldn't

550
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,720
be happy with or something.
It's like, it's a great reminder

551
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:43,120
in life to just like open up the
how you look at everything

552
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,920
around you.
And I combine that with like,

553
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,720
I'm pretty good at usually
remembering like in the grand

554
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,320
scheme of things, like we're on
this weird hurling rock falling

555
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
through space.
Like, who gives a shit what

556
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280
happens about anything for real?
Like if you combine those two

557
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920
things, I think that happiness
is pretty easy to find.

558
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,640
Yeah.
It's great to have that reminder

559
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,200
around, man.
It's a it's awesome to see their

560
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,160
just their take on, on life,
right?

561
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,760
It's like, like even if you are
pissed and and like she's

562
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,920
laughing at you, like you snap
out of it and you're like, yeah,

563
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600
you're probably right.
Yeah, You're like, wait, this is

564
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,640
nothing to be mad about, right?
Like, the importance of this is

565
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,760
minuscule.
And I don't know, you know, your

566
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,640
kids smiling is always going to
kind of bust you out of them.

567
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,320
You know, like, what am I
worried about?

568
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,760
Dude?
I have this.

569
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,880
I have the right.
Yeah, my little dude likes to

570
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,320
cook with me a lot.
And the other night we were

571
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640
making, this was last night
actually, we were making

572
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880
spaghetti, like ragu, like
spaghetti red sauce.

573
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,920
And he like, he likes stirring.
So he's stirring the shit and

574
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,440
then all of a sudden, like he
starts telling a story and the

575
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,320
next thing I know he's just
whipping his hand around with

576
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,040
the wooden spoon and there's
sauce going everywhere.

577
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Literally, I was going to use
that as an example.

578
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,800
When they make a mess is the
exact time you're mad and

579
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:07,080
they're happy and you're like,
OK, well, we're just going to

580
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:08,480
clean this up, you know what I
mean?

581
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Bring yourself back to like.
And it's all art, right?

582
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,360
Yeah.
It's kind of like paint.

583
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:16,760
Yeah.
Paint in the ceiling.

584
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
I love it.
It's awesome, man.

585
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,480
It's, it's a great reminder.
It's a great reminder of

586
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,320
patience and virtue.
And just like I, I'm an

587
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,640
incredibly better human just
because I have a kid.

588
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,160
Yeah, it's awesome.
Yes, it slows things down.

589
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,000
I I feel like I have been of dad
for a really long time.

590
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,080
So I've had different phases and
each one gets less, it gets a

591
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,600
little more selfless because at
first, I mean, I'm 21 years old

592
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,240
and it, you just don't, don't
understand life that well,

593
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,520
that's what you want.
You think you do.

594
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,320
You don't know shit and no.
And, and as you get older,

595
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:02,720
you're like, OK, Dang, I, I
should have done this, you know,

596
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,440
like I have 4 kids.
So like as each one came, I'm

597
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,920
like, man, I should, you know,
do this.

598
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,920
But then I had went through like
a rough patch in between there.

599
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:17,640
So I had actually like had my
last couple kids was like when I

600
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600
got sober, but it I wasn't sober
yet.

601
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,120
So it was like right when they
were born and all that.

602
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:29,080
And so this is kind of like my
second chance at being a, you

603
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,760
know, a different kind of dad.
And I grew up without a dad.

604
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,360
Like I'm single parent
household.

605
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,440
My mom was, you know, working
like all the time.

606
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:43,560
So like, I'm very comfortable
alone, you know, and like I

607
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,520
enjoy being alone too, but I
think I let my first kid kind of

608
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,720
be alone more than I would have,
you know what I mean?

609
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,760
I would have just been had her
with me more.

610
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,480
And then my son, he really came
with my, he's came with me on

611
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,080
really long road trips to do
shows and he's been my DJ for a

612
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,880
couple shows.
And so any, and he used to

613
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720
beatbox when he was younger at,
at some of my shows.

614
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,960
And so he kind of got a
different lens with the music

615
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:17,159
and all that stuff.
And, and now the littler ones, I

616
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:21,320
just really enjoy being very
structured for them.

617
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Nope. 730 bedtime.
I read to you.

618
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,560
I scratch your back for two
minutes.

619
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:33,120
I, you know, and just like it's,
it's very much slower than it

620
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,480
was before.
And I, I really enjoy the

621
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,960
structure of it.
And I think by me always pretty

622
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:45,560
much either jumping from odd
jobs to music and back and forth

623
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:50,159
all the time.
There wasn't a structure.

624
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:54,679
I wasn't like, yo focused work
from 8:00 to 11:00.

625
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:58,120
You know, now I'm on that and
that's why, you know, I've

626
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,320
caught more people's eyes is
because of the structure.

627
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:06,080
You know, I got to, I have to, I
have to say, like it just it

628
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,280
makes your life better when
you're, when you're there for

629
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,600
your kids throughout the week.
And it's like, you know,

630
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,920
Fridays, you know, days to go
and do your thing Saturday and

631
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,440
then Sundays back to like not
being hungover and like being

632
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,760
there and being intentional
about getting your week planned

633
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,200
out.
That's why Sunday is so

634
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,760
beautiful, right?
Because if you don't do that and

635
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,440
you're doing that Hangover
Sunday thing, man, you're like

636
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,200
your week gets away from you.
But having that structure with

637
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,400
my kids is undoubtedly been the
biggest gift, you know?

638
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,840
And I've always seen like their
first.

639
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:40,040
I've always been there, like
first steps and I've always been

640
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:46,280
there, but I was more sporadic
with how I was working so I was

641
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,760
missing more unintentionally.
Yeah, and that stuff matters a

642
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,520
ton.
Yeah, it's awesome.

643
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,360
What a what a gift, dude.
What a gift to get like the

644
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,240
second shot along with the
reflection to do it a different

645
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,040
way.
Yeah, it's great.

646
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,280
That's where you got to balance
your dream and stuff because

647
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,440
you're like, what is going to be
more important in five years?

648
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,960
So valuable, so valuable and I
think that's another gift that

649
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
kids give you.
I never, I never thought like

650
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,160
that when I wish I would have
sometimes because like I toiled

651
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:23,400
at a lot of areas where like,
yeah, maybe I was working in

652
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,920
radio and it was cool getting
paid to talk or whatever.

653
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,280
But I could have been making
different career moves that pad

654
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,400
me in a different position to do
something else.

655
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,160
And I'm really grateful with how
things turned out and I got

656
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,200
there and everything.
But you know you can.

657
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
You can fast track anything with
a different mindset.

658
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,640
Yes, yeah, we are.
Me and my my friend were talking

659
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,320
about that right before I got
here because he's getting me

660
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,880
into a different revenue stream
and just talk about mentors like

661
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:53,960
their lens and they fast track
you to save years of like man,

662
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,240
what do I do?
I'll just do this I'll just do

663
00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:59,680
that.
Or the worst is like we had

664
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
talked about Instagram earlier
and mine's I think I'm at like

665
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,480
8000 right now to my Instagram
was at 3000 for years.

666
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:13,720
I mean, because you start
counting the shit, like you're

667
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,760
counting the chick is where they
hatch or you're not, you're not

668
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,560
really knowing what to do at
all.

669
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,680
You know, like I literally had
to teach myself that.

670
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,920
And like, I might have watched a
couple YouTube videos, but man,

671
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:29,640
it really just took like just
do, do, do, do, do.

672
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:35,720
But you know, if a mentor is
like, yo, I guarantee you in 35

673
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:39,760
days, your Instagram's going to
hit just post 7 times a day.

674
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,640
Are you telling me that you
wouldn't go do it with more

675
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,840
enthusiasm?
Like I guarantee you would, you

676
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120
know, but there's not a lot of
there's not a lot of answers.

677
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,480
And everyone's trying to get
these views and shit instead of

678
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,360
providing quality value, they're
just kind of being pieces of

679
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,080
shit trying to sell you
something that doesn't exist,

680
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,640
you know, and then they're
selling courses and they don't

681
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,520
even know what they're doing.
It's just like, can we just be

682
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,280
honest with the information And
and like, you know, if you had a

683
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:15,080
mentor who could just show and
prove, it's like fast track

684
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040
right to what I need.
Absolutely.

685
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,640
Do you have that in the music
industry?

686
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,720
No, you don't have that.
Nope, I've never had that.

687
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:29,080
So I've had, I used to work back
when I about 2013, 2014, I was

688
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,960
working with this dude named
Zilla, who's now Yellow Wolf's

689
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,920
manager.
And just meeting with him a

690
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
couple times and shooting photos
and video with him a couple

691
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:46,360
times taught me quite a bit
about like owning my beats, just

692
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,720
getting like contracts for
everything and how tour works,

693
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:57,280
how features work, just, you
know, getting answers for real.

694
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,560
Because once again, it's like if
you were to message an Instagram

695
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,000
account, they can act like these
are the way things work, but

696
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,320
they're really just trying to
probably hose you for some

697
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,440
money.
It's like you don't get a real

698
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,560
answer, you know?
So that's been just trialed by

699
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,720
fire for you just through it and
just seeing what works.

700
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,280
Yeah, mostly everything I I
would say like the most, the

701
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,880
recent stuff of posting and
editing was like YouTube videos.

702
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,800
I feel like I found like the
right couple people that were

703
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,920
serious.
But you can pile so much stuff

704
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,520
from everywhere that it's kind
of like, I can't remember all

705
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,440
this.
Yeah, I can't perfect all this

706
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,640
at once.
What am I focusing on?

707
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:44,440
You know?
And so I tried to focus on

708
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,720
Facebook, and I feel like I kind
of figured that out, which is

709
00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,360
just like, insane volume and,
like, hooks, like the hook

710
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,360
that's going to grab people, you
know?

711
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,720
And I started talking in third
person, like, it was a fan page.

712
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,520
Like this guy really from
Wisconsin, It's like, well, he

713
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,760
would know.
He's the one that's posting his

714
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,760
own content.
But like, no one picks up on

715
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,640
these things.
Like I got people on there like,

716
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,760
yeah, he's from Wisconsin, he's
from my city.

717
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,160
Or it's like, bro, it's me
posting it, you know, or these

718
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,440
fake reaction videos that I've
been making.

719
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,040
It's like, Oh my God, I can't
believe you got kind of react.

720
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,520
I'm like, I didn't this is a
fake video.

721
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,640
But if that's what it takes,
guys, you got to play the.

722
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,560
Game, dude.
Yeah, What?

723
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,520
You've been captioning those?
Something like what?

724
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,720
Like this guy watches.
Northwoods is impressed with

725
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,640
Northwoods rapper Snap.
Can't believe.

726
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:46,200
This.
It's just so it's like almost

727
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,400
demeaning as a as a person, but
then you're like, this is a

728
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,840
brand.
Me as a person, I don't have my

729
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,520
name is an up north Jake.
Like that's the brand, you know,

730
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,120
and you get you get so emotional
and then you're like, dude, I

731
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,000
got to detach from this stuff
because that detaches you from

732
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,640
the comments.
You're like, yeah, it's me.

733
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,200
But it was just a, it's just a
lightning strike from God like

734
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:16,320
that I wrote that song that
isn't my like doesn't go with me

735
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,920
when I leave.
I don't know, it's weird.

736
00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:21,320
And I've had moments where it's
like, I don't even know how that

737
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,840
got done.
I don't even write music

738
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,840
anymore.
So I just punch in like, so I'll

739
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,840
just do a line like Bros, when
the motherfucker frozen code,

740
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,360
stop the track, sit there and
think, get the next line and

741
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,000
then you know what I'm saying?
OK, up North Boydon, get froze,

742
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,800
don't stop, punch back in.
And it just sounds like it's all

743
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,880
one take.
You know what I mean?

744
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:54,080
So it's just idea after idea
with no middle man messing it

745
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,600
up.
That can happen in 12 minutes.

746
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,080
So in 12 minutes you got one
minute of a song with 500 words.

747
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,880
I said, where did that come
from?

748
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,200
I don't know.
Like I'm not attached to that.

749
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,520
I didn't write it down and
rehearse it 60 times to have

750
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,760
made it in 12 minutes.
Now I'm going to go like eat

751
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480
lunch or something.
So it's like I'm no more

752
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,640
attached to that than I am like
the idea of what I want to eat.

753
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,880
It's just a quick idea.
It comes and goes.

754
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:22,800
Yeah.
Yeah.

755
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,000
And there's a lot of creators
that that have a similar

756
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,280
sentiment on that.
I have another songwriter on and

757
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,880
I, I've heard some famous
songwriters talk about this,

758
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,360
about how, like, they don't even
truly feel like they move the

759
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,280
pen anyway.
Like they they make the

760
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,080
conscious decision to pick up
the pen.

761
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,640
Yeah.
But then it's another one of

762
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,360
those packages delivered and
then your job is to decipher.

763
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,240
Is this a good one or does this
one go and then I try something

764
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,160
else?
Right, exactly.

765
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,840
And I'm no more attached to that
song.

766
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Like the song I'm attached, more
attached to probably than

767
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:03,960
anything would be a song that
that isn't, isn't that like it

768
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,800
would be something I wrote about
my wife or be something I wrote

769
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:13,560
about my kids or a feeling of
like when there was a memory of

770
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,800
my family being out on a boat,
like, and it's like they don't

771
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,360
know that that's a memory that
I'm like directly correlating

772
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,280
with.
But that's kind of like how it

773
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000
really works.
The addiction stuff.

774
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,240
There's I got a couple tracks
out there like that and man, I

775
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,720
like to get away from those as
fast as possible.

776
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Yeah, those ones don't feel
good, but they're just like,

777
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,120
they're just like a
responsibility thing to God.

778
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,280
Like my responsibility is to
write these and like put them

779
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,320
out there.
You know what?

780
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,160
Do you?
What do you mean by I don't feel

781
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,840
good?
It brings it to a bad place.

782
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,560
Yes, it's depressing as shit.
Yep.

783
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Singing them on stage.
Anything dude.

784
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Like I just I'm our like right
now.

785
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,320
I just like tense up about just
thinking about it because it's a

786
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,520
time in my life that I don't
care to remember.

787
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,440
Yeah, some of my favorite
artists have songs like that.

788
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,280
Actually.
I love Jason Isbel and he has a

789
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,560
song called Cover Me Up.
And he actually, I don't know

790
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,520
that he stopped doing it, but he
definitely played it less

791
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,080
sporadic It there's a there's a
verse in it about like tearing

792
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,640
his wife's dress when he was
drunk and he also quit drinking.

793
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:28,240
He's sober now too.
And like for similar sentiment,

794
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:30,160
I think it brings you to the
spot.

795
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,760
But the thing with that dude is
it, it's almost the suffering

796
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,240
that you go through in that.
I think what would give me some

797
00:44:41,240 --> 00:44:46,840
solace is someone listening to
that might make a different

798
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,040
decision because they can sense
that you feel it.

799
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:57,280
Like even when you sing it right
now, like energy is powerful and

800
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,000
how you share a message is
powerful.

801
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,320
And if they if they benefit from
it, there's some value in it,

802
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,160
man.
Yeah, and once again, it's not,

803
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,120
it's not up to me.
That's my responsibility to God.

804
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Like that's the gift he gave me.
So I, I have to speak on that

805
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,040
stuff like it's just is what it
is.

806
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:19,640
And undoubtedly I've changed
certain like people's lives for

807
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,440
sure.
Like I hear that all the time

808
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:30,640
because I too, like, I toured
quite a bit. 20/20/21 2021 I

809
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,320
don't know.
I went on a lot of shows, dude.

810
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,080
I did like a lot.
Like I did like 3 tours

811
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,160
back-to-back.
So it was just, it was a lot.

812
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,800
I'm going back on tour this year
actually.

813
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,800
I'll be out there April, June,
August and October.

814
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,880
So I'm doing which this is the
coolest tour schedule ever.

815
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,760
Three weeks on, five weeks off.
So I'm able to come back home

816
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,800
and kick in with my family and
regroup.

817
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,360
And I don't like the long runs,
dude.

818
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,120
It'd be tough.
They're just draining and I

819
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,560
don't make enough money yet.
Do you know what I mean?

820
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,560
Like straight up, if I was like,
even if I was making money, I'd

821
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,520
probably spend it on set design
anyways because I'm super into

822
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:14,480
like the fan experience.
But you know, having a number

823
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,920
being like, yo, we're going to
pay 5K to get here 8K, you know,

824
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,320
then it's a little more like,
dude, I'm doing, I'm doing

825
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,600
something right.
But even when I'm not getting

826
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,320
paid, I feel like I'm doing
something right.

827
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,600
And it's like those songs that
I, I just breakdown, I do one or

828
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,240
two because I do the song called
Choosing me at every show.

829
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,960
And that one is just a song is
devoted to the Lord.

830
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,160
It's just like giving thanks to
Lord for choosing me to be, you

831
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,240
know, anointing me to be like
this leader.

832
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:47,000
And but then I do the an
addiction song or two and

833
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,320
someone always come up to me
crying, dude.

834
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,000
And they're like, thank you for
doing that song.

835
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:56,640
Because I, I often dedicate it
to the addicts, but also the

836
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,600
family members and the friends
of addicts because like, people

837
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,960
don't understand, like they
literally almost have an

838
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,240
addiction with you, like trying
to pull you out of this, this

839
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,000
hell that you've created, you
know?

840
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,360
And it's like they just worry
about you and wonder what you're

841
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,960
doing.
And so, yeah, so it's, it's

842
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:23,680
just, it's really cool.
And I know I'm always doing it

843
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,920
for someone and they always come
on tour, man.

844
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,360
That's that's where they really,
they might hear it online, but

845
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,840
dude, them sober songs on tour,
there's always someone in there.

846
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,400
And it's like, man, thank you so
much.

847
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,840
And and those are like lifelong
people, dude.

848
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:40,440
They're not going anywhere, you
know.

849
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,200
Oh.
Yeah, when you move somebody

850
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,000
like that, they're with you.
Yeah, they're there.

851
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,920
That's so awesome man.
It's just you talk about

852
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,560
leadership a lot.
Yeah.

853
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,760
And I'm getting a sense of
hearing you say that that that's

854
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,960
your feeling around it or that's
where that leadership kind of

855
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,160
like frame of mind starts.
Am I get am I in the right spot

856
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,120
there about like the gift you've
been given in the packages that

857
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:15,640
have been delivered to you, You
lead with with those through

858
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,680
that.
Is that through sobriety or just

859
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,720
just with your music in general
you're talking about, you know,

860
00:48:23,720 --> 00:48:25,880
like the is it Northwoods
General?

861
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,520
Yeah, Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.

862
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:32,480
Like leadership is another
interesting thing to me and it,

863
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,240
it means so many different
things, but I'm getting a sense

864
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,080
of what it means to you.
But it might be better in your

865
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:39,840
words.
Like what?

866
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,160
Where does that come from?
Where does the leadership lens

867
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,200
come from?
I don't feel like I was ever

868
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:49,040
programmed into being a follower
like a lot of people were.

869
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,840
And I just want to remind people
that it's like you might think

870
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:59,160
you, you aren't qualified to be
a leader, but you undoubtedly

871
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,560
are.
So like I'm not, I definitely

872
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,080
got that, that ruler archetype
with the Northwoods general,

873
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,800
right.
But when you think about what,

874
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,720
like my, my whole play is as the
Northwest general, it's it's

875
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,160
outlandish.
Like it's like people are like,

876
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,960
what in the hell is he talking
about?

877
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:25,440
And that's kind of part of the
leadership is like do it to the

878
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,200
biggest of your ability,
whatever idea you have in your

879
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,120
mind.
And I think that's kind of just

880
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,160
the foundation of it.
You are qualified to go do

881
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,560
whatever you want, as big as you
want and then lead others to do

882
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:43,680
the same thing.
So it's like, it's just, it's so

883
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:50,760
simple in a sense of like we're
all important and we're all not

884
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,560
important at the same time,
like.

885
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,280
Yeah, awesome.
That that's so good, man.

886
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,280
That's so good.
And that's like a core piece of

887
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,920
leadership that doesn't get
talked about as much.

888
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,160
But you just hit the nail on the
head of like removing other

889
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,640
people's self-imposed barriers.
So many people are like, I can't

890
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,960
do this because of this.
I can't do this because of

891
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,600
bullshit.
You can do whatever you want.

892
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,720
I remember what like literally
vaguely, probably four months

893
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:26,000
ago, I was, I was, I, I
identified with what was going

894
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,440
on with me and what it was was I
was scared to be as big as I

895
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,440
imagined the the character being
and myself being because of

896
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,200
everybody else.
So the other Wisconsin artist

897
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,800
that I may work with don't work
with.

898
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,360
I was scared to be like, no, I'm
the biggest leader.

899
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,400
I'm the fucking king.
I was scared to do that.

900
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,880
And then I'm like, who better
than me?

901
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,960
And if they got a problem with
that, then it just doesn't fall

902
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,440
into my movie.
Like, I'm the main character

903
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,880
here.
And so I think everyone just

904
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,600
needs to be the fucking main
character, their life. 100% And

905
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,920
I think it's really interesting
because you do that in a way,

906
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,560
because there's a way to do
that.

907
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,880
There's a way to have that
mindset that isn't healthy and

908
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,680
isn't effective and it almost
burns bridges, even though you

909
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,000
might burn some bridges with
that.

910
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,040
But I would argue bridges that
could be burned anyway.

911
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:21,880
But a lot of times it doesn't.
But the you seem to do that

912
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:27,920
through a very healthy lens of
like, if you don't champion

913
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:34,600
yourself, no one else does.
And that's not, that's not, you

914
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,200
know, arrogance in a bad way.
That's not all any of those

915
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,600
things.
Because I can tell by talking

916
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,880
with you for 40 minutes or
everyone we've been going that

917
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:48,240
you also balance that with the
healthy realization.

918
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:49,760
And you just said it.
I don't know what it was

919
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:54,040
verbatim, but you said like it
in a nutshell.

920
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,800
It meant like, everything
matters, but nothing matters,

921
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,160
right?
And as long as you have that

922
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,960
sense, like you have to champion
yourself, you have to walk into

923
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,800
that room and say I'm the shit
at what I do.

924
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,920
If you don't, no one will say
you are.

925
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,640
It's, it's like, I don't know,
man.

926
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,400
It's there's no easier way to
say it, but it, it's like a

927
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,480
mystical thing.
It's a frequency.

928
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,680
If you're on that frequency of
like, yo, on the shit,

929
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,760
everyone's like, yeah, you are.
And it goes, I do this

930
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,040
affirmation all the time.
Like the universe is on my side

931
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:27,720
100%.
Like it wants me to win.

932
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:29,520
Everybody in the world wants me
to win.

933
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,920
Like obviously this is these
haters that are like 2%.

934
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,520
But dude, everybody, they do.
If you want yourself to win,

935
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,960
they do want you to win.
And it's the same thing with the

936
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,320
champion in yourself.
If you want to be a champion,

937
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,680
they want to lift you up to be
the champion.

938
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,720
Yeah, absolutely.
And in turn, the art that comes

939
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:53,520
out of you when it reflects that
is an extension of that

940
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:54,920
mentality.
Right.

941
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,040
That's so good dude.
Do you want one of these?

942
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:57,520
I'm going.
To have a?

943
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,800
I'd love to.
That's awesome.

944
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,920
Is it Caruser?
Carouser.

945
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:08,520
Carouser Yeah, Carouser Sea
Breeze.

946
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,840
The best non alcoholic beverage
on the market.

947
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,400
He's got a cool story too.
His name is Dan, the guy who

948
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:23,760
started this company, and he's a
he's a cool dude in a lot of

949
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,040
ways.
He would resonate with a lot of

950
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,880
what we're talking about.
It's awesome, man, though you

951
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:33,320
can, it's great to, it's awesome
when you meet people, you talk

952
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,760
about frequencies.
It's awesome when you meet

953
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:40,720
people whose frequencies vibe
and they're on the same level

954
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:47,520
and there's something magical
about that that like it creates

955
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,840
energy.
It's, it's so great.

956
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,880
I want to talk about more about
that affirmation, though.

957
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,520
Do you do like what, what is
your, what is your process with

958
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,360
that?
Are you meditating daily

959
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,520
Affirmations like speaking about
I did a manifestation journal

960
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,160
for a while that I loved.
Like what are you, what are you

961
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:02,960
doing with that?
What?

962
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:05,200
I slack.
I slack on the journal.

963
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,840
I I feel like I could benefit
from journaling a lot more, but

964
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,640
my main one lately has been
walking.

965
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,840
I just walk for 1/2 an hour.
Sometimes I'll listen to

966
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,600
scripture, sometimes I'll listen
to like sleeping music because

967
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:22,040
it helps me think.
But lately I've been trying not

968
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,880
to listen to anything because my
thoughts come a lot clearer and

969
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,280
like more intentional to use
that word to use earlier.

970
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,840
It's like more what's going on
in my life for real, instead of

971
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,200
like, oh, you know, this
person's telling me something in

972
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,360
my ear.
And now I'm like kind of paying

973
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,920
attention to maybe that is a
part of my life or, you know,

974
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,880
whatever, right, Because even
scripture can be that way where

975
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,880
it's more like, you know, it
says something to you instead of

976
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,880
like, you know, it can't.
But God has a really good way of

977
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,600
like giving you the right
scripture there on the right day

978
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,840
usually.
But walking has been most my, my

979
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,560
meditative state, I feel.
But I, I hit the gym four to

980
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,560
five days a week and that helps
a lot.

981
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,200
Just kind of like getting in
that meditative state, getting

982
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,680
set up for winning reading.
I've been doing that the past

983
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,440
few months way more than I have
in my entire life.

984
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,800
And that also kind of gives me
that.

985
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,760
But the affirmations usually
come with the ice cold shower

986
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,760
after the gym because you got to
stay in there for a second.

987
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,520
So you got to find something to
like, you know, and I usually go

988
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,720
right, like because it's
freezing, like I'm usually like

989
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,200
just start thanking God for all
my blessings.

990
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,680
I thought that as a way to like
offset it, but that's kind of I

991
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,600
try to be intentional with
affirmations all throughout the

992
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,800
day.
You know, like hopefully right

993
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,240
when I remember and I leave here
and I'm driving away, I just

994
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,160
start thanking God for, you
know, our us having a

995
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,000
connection, us having a great
conversation, you know, the

996
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,560
podcast going well, just all
that stuff because it really is

997
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:05,520
in the smallest things where
you're like the stuff you want

998
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,200
can supersede in your mind the
stuff you need.

999
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,760
And when the stuff you need is
fulfilled, the stuff you want

1000
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,000
doesn't mean shit.
When you're like, I have

1001
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,840
everything I need, then that's
when everything comes too.

1002
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:24,920
And if you can't get in that I
almost found nothing comes.

1003
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Yeah, I, yeah.
And I think there is a power to

1004
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:35,400
that, that exact thing, because
when when you search for the

1005
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:40,600
things you think you need but
truly don't, it's empty, so

1006
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,040
empty.
So who's going to deliver?

1007
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:43,600
Why would it?
Why would anybody do?

1008
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,920
Why would anything, any
frequency, deliver that package

1009
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,000
if it's going to be empty for
you anyway, you know?

1010
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,000
Yeah, back to what we were
talking about when you said

1011
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:57,080
after it comes, you're like, if
I would have got this, then it

1012
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,880
wouldn't have been good.
And it's the same.

1013
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:04,480
It's the same thing, dude.
It's just too much want over.

1014
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Do I have what I need?
Really can mess you up dude.

1015
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,840
Absolutely.
Yeah.

1016
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,520
That's.
Oh, that's such good stuff,

1017
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,800
dude.
That's a man there.

1018
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,760
We have a lot of overlaps.
So I, I like 12 months ago,

1019
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,640
something like that, I put a
sauna in my basement.

1020
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:22,840
So I started working out at
home.

1021
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,640
Fuck.
And I take these cold showers

1022
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,960
too.
Like the cold shower is the

1023
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,840
worst dude.
How do you get in?

1024
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,680
I have to ask this because I
could only ask a couple people.

1025
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,360
What do you say to yourself
right before you jump in the

1026
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,360
shower?
What do you say to yourself that

1027
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,160
gets you to?
Man, most of the time it's just

1028
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,800
do it like I'll just try to
like.

1029
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:46,320
Like Nike?
Blank out everything.

1030
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,880
Just do it.
Just don't be a Jackass.

1031
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:50,200
Just do.
It no, wait, wait, wait, wait,

1032
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,400
wait.
You get now you're saying it is

1033
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,160
don't be a Jackass.
That's the one, right?

1034
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:01,080
I say don't be a bitch and then
I just get in because you can't

1035
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,600
stick your foot in.
You have to like whoosh or you

1036
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,400
will not want to.
Yeah, you can't creep.

1037
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:09,480
You can't.
Creep, you can't.

1038
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,440
Creep.
No, I So I do it a little bit

1039
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,160
differently.
I wish I had a cold plunge.

1040
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,040
But what I'll do is after my
sauna, I get in the shower and I

1041
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,560
take like a normal temperature,
like rinse off and then I crank

1042
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,520
the handle.
Wow, you're that sounds.

1043
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,600
Way worse.
It's devastating, it's terrible

1044
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,880
every single time.
But I like, I guess what, when I

1045
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,840
think about it, what really gets
me through it is I know how

1046
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,040
awesome I'm going to feel when
it's done right.

1047
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,640
So like I'll take that regular
temperature shower and then I'll

1048
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,800
just turn it all the way as cold
as it'll get.

1049
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,680
And I just grit my teeth and,
and just like just think about

1050
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,240
how good I'm going to feel in 3
minutes when I'm done with it.

1051
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,760
And it's tough.
It's got to be harder to go

1052
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,000
from, like the warm to the cold.
I feel like it's like when

1053
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,600
you're in bed and you like, get
up for a minute and then lay

1054
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,280
back in bed.
You're like, bro, you were

1055
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,280
already up.
Like, what are you doing?

1056
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,680
You know?
But yeah, no, I, I, I like that.

1057
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,640
I bet there's a mentality switch
of like, I'm about to flip the

1058
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,080
switch to cold, you know, like,
yeah, I'm in, I'm comfortable

1059
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,040
and now I'm going to create
discomfort, you know?

1060
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,520
Yeah, there's so much power in
that dude.

1061
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,640
I think that's half of what the
probably over half of the

1062
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,600
positive benefit comes from that
because there's a bunch of peer

1063
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,720
reviewed like stuff that says
what cold does for your body,

1064
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,600
especially after workout.
Yeah, I've heard all that.

1065
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:32,720
Yep.
But I think the vast majority of

1066
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:37,000
the benefit that I get from it
is having the power in my mind

1067
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,480
to say I'm just going to do this
right now.

1068
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,480
I don't have to step out of the
shower and be completely

1069
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,360
comfortable, right?
But I'm still going to choose to

1070
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,080
do it for real.
And that's super powerful.

1071
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,880
And I think that most of the
time I saw it in the morning and

1072
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,320
then I'll do that before I start
my day.

1073
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:57,520
And I can think of a lot of
times where I'm throughout the

1074
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,920
day and I'm like, this ain't
shit.

1075
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:00,400
Like I turned that handle this
morning.

1076
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,480
That sucks.
That's that's crazy.

1077
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,080
I always, I'm a very I'm, I'm
like secretly competitive, but I

1078
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:11,280
literally am like, well, will
any of these other motherfuckers

1079
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:12,840
do this?
And if the answer is no, I'm

1080
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,000
like, well, then I'll do it.
It's like I go shoot below 0.

1081
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,640
Why?
Because no one else will.

1082
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,800
Like it's just a thing with me,
you know?

1083
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:22,160
And it gives you that little
edge.

1084
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,960
It's like, I'm not a super
beast, but I have those little

1085
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:28,840
secret competitive like
intelligence.

1086
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,480
Like bro, it will set you apart
from the herd.

1087
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,320
And if it sets you apart from
the herd, it's good.

1088
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:37,560
Like usually.
Absolutely, you know?

1089
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,640
So few people are willing to do
that.

1090
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,400
So few people are willing to
make those decisions, right?

1091
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,120
Like we don't all have to be
David Goggins, but if you get a

1092
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,560
little bit of David Goggins in
you, man can do a shit load for

1093
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:52,040
you.
What's?

1094
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:53,880
Crazy is, I was going to bring
this up.

1095
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,120
I just watched a podcast with
him and this other dude.

1096
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:57,840
I'm not even going to try to
remember who it was because it

1097
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,600
always goes that way.
But the other dude was telling

1098
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:04,120
him about this part in our
brain.

1099
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,640
When we do shit we hate and just
go through with it and literally

1100
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,400
hate it, the part in our brain
grows and it's directly

1101
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,680
correlated with our will to
live.

1102
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,400
So it's just a, it's just a cool
thing, man.

1103
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,400
Every time you're like, God, I
hate this, but you're doing it.

1104
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,000
You're you're literally like
your life force is like growing.

1105
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,840
You know that shit still?
It's awesome, dude.

1106
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:32,560
Yeah, I love it.
How'd you get to that?

1107
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,520
How'd you get to how long you
been working out like that?

1108
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:35,920
And.
I've been I was working out

1109
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:42,720
before I got sober, but but I
don't I just I went with people

1110
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,440
like different people and they
would like the sauna, cold

1111
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:48,880
shower, sauna called dude.
I used to do intervals of that

1112
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,360
with one of my with one of my
friends and and then this other

1113
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,320
dude got me into lifting heavy
for a while.

1114
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,520
That was cool.
It's just a little too hard on

1115
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,400
me.
I got like a lot of injuries.

1116
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,760
But as long yeah, dude, it's
like, as long as I lift lighter

1117
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:08,600
and do Max reps, I'm good to go,
You know, and I and I never

1118
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,440
would like got into it to be the
most fit guy.

1119
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Just I didn't want like to be
everything slouching, you know,

1120
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,160
all my, you know, it's just like
I did that forever, dude.

1121
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:21,240
And then eventually I just
started investing in my body a

1122
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,640
little more and, and I went in
waves and shit.

1123
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,920
Now I just do what I feel and I
know what makes me feel good.

1124
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:34,320
And this latest run with the
discipline of everything, I

1125
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:39,080
analyzed that sometimes I would
over discipline and then fall

1126
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,680
off really hard.
So I didn't do that this time.

1127
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,920
I was like, man, just just
creeped.

1128
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,880
Easy word.
Just creep up on all your

1129
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,800
progress with everything you're
doing.

1130
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,800
So whether you start with two
pages in a book, eventually you

1131
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,320
just start reading for 30
minutes and you're like, shit,

1132
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,320
this is cool.
I you almost crave it.

1133
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,960
So I started seeing that and
more and more.

1134
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:07,120
But seven years, probably 8-9
years of working out at the gym

1135
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:10,160
kind of thing and then getting
sober.

1136
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:16,000
I've had went up and down.
I had a year where I injure, I

1137
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000
went into a boxing class and I
injured my arm right here and

1138
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,800
it's still kind of, I don't know
what the hell I did, dude.

1139
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,320
I punched the bag and it just
shot up my arm.

1140
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:27,280
And then I kind of like
continued the workout like a

1141
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,120
dipshit and then really made it
bad.

1142
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,480
And so I got into skating, which
is what I did when I was

1143
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:37,200
younger, like aggressive
rollerblading, like around the

1144
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,040
90s, it was super popular.
And so I got back into that for

1145
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,720
like a year and got actually
probably better than I ever was.

1146
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:46,960
But then I just was, I was
racked, dude.

1147
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,520
I would hurt myself all the
time.

1148
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,480
And my drive was high.
So it was almost like I had to

1149
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,320
chill on that.
I think that was the year 20,

1150
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,680
22.
It was, I went super hard and I

1151
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:03,560
ignited like a whole group of 40
year olds to get back on skates.

1152
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,400
Like they're still skating every
week.

1153
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,840
I'm like, see, that's like the
leadership I have.

1154
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,560
Like there's like they started a
skate shop and everything in Eau

1155
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,360
Claire and I'm just like, I
don't know what happened there,

1156
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:17,240
but I'm proud of like igniting
that fire under those guys.

1157
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,640
You know, they got a little
skate community again.

1158
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,760
And but I started getting hurt,
went back out of that.

1159
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:24,600
Had a great year with that
though.

1160
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,720
And then this year or like the
past four months, walking has

1161
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,760
been my thing.
Couple miles, maybe a few miles

1162
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,520
a day, just like 3 good half an
hour walks, dude.

1163
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,000
And it's just so nice.
My dog absolutely.

1164
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,880
Like she went from like thinking
I was OK to like she just, I'm

1165
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:45,680
just my dog now.
She don't care about nobody

1166
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:51,040
else, you know, but I've noticed
the muscles that you gain like

1167
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,240
in your abdomen and like, it's
different.

1168
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:55,480
It's like cool.
It's like a nice foundation,

1169
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,480
man, so.
I'm glad you brought that back

1170
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,760
up.
That's the other overlap.

1171
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:00,800
So I walk every morning.
Yeah.

1172
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,800
I used to podcast and I can't
remember how long.

1173
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:08,760
It was still the summer that I I
stopped listening to something

1174
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:10,520
as I was walking.
And now I just walked.

1175
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,160
Yeah.
And I agree completely with your

1176
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,960
take.
Like the whole mindset shift is

1177
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,600
much better now.
I get more time to think and

1178
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:23,600
kind of like not only manifest
and get to that meditative

1179
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,880
state, but I also just like
planning my day.

1180
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,720
Instead of like listening to
some other people talk, let's

1181
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,760
listen to my own internal.
Voice and let that.

1182
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,600
Is that the first thing you do
when you wake up?

1183
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,120
Very close it used to be.
It used to be before I had a kid

1184
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,040
and actually up until he was
probably 2 or so, it was.

1185
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,600
It's so not.
It's so it's the best you just

1186
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:49,040
get to detach for a second from
every the whole world.

1187
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,200
You're like that really that
really set up my mind state for

1188
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,920
the for now.
Like I feel so much more

1189
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:59,320
empowered and it's literally
just that small little like go

1190
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,160
for a walk right away right when
you wake up.

1191
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,720
So weird how that changes your
perspective. 100% I'll

1192
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,880
definitely get back to it.
Right now I do the my wife is

1193
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,800
not a morning person so I do the
my.

1194
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:16,640
With our kid, yeah.
So I usually like I'll wake up

1195
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,640
and we usually wake up about the
same time.

1196
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,160
And then I do like our breakfast
stuff.

1197
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,880
We read a couple books and
really that centers me in a

1198
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,920
different way.
I don't think it's better or

1199
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,880
worse, but it it's definitely
helpful that it gives me some of

1200
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,480
the lens we were talking about
earlier of how to view the day.

1201
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,760
Yes.
And then as soon as he's good,

1202
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,440
he's taken care of Mama's, had
her coffee, and then he's on to

1203
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,440
Mama, right?
Then I can then I can take care

1204
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,440
of my mental state, take the
walk, and I still get all the

1205
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,640
same benefits.
I started using a weighted vest

1206
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:49,720
recently.
I like that.

1207
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,160
Cool it.
It hasn't really changed

1208
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,400
anything other than I think it's
just a little, probably better

1209
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,400
like workout.
Yeah.

1210
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,640
Yeah, dude, that's a pivotal
part of my life.

1211
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,320
Been doing that for a long time.
But yeah, I used to right away

1212
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,960
in the morning.
I had a dog at that time too.

1213
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:08,400
We've since lost him, but yeah,
we and him would do our 5:00 AM

1214
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,580
walks.
People like my, especially my Co

1215
01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:11,960
workers used to think I was
crazy.

1216
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,200
Like it.
It's 365 days a year.

1217
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:15,640
Like, I don't care if it's
pouring rain.

1218
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:18,040
I don't care if it's just snow
to foot last.

1219
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:19,320
Night.
No, no, me neither.

1220
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,680
You get warm fast though.
I think that it's so weird how

1221
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:27,280
we over dramatize shit like
that.

1222
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,920
Oh, it's cold out.
Like, isn't that why you bought

1223
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,800
a fucking $200 coat?
You know, or whatever.

1224
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:37,280
Or like it's like, but I
realized that it's just, it's so

1225
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:41,600
refreshing to just be outside
right away in the day, like in

1226
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,360
the morning.
It's just, it doesn't matter.

1227
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,320
Like you said, dude, it just
doesn't.

1228
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,840
And that's me too to 5:00 AM
because the bus picks up the

1229
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,080
kids like 650.
So I get them up at 5:50 so that

1230
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:55,800
it's just a small window there.
But next week I really want to

1231
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,360
get back to that.
This week I've been staying up a

1232
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,360
little late editing, doing
different things.

1233
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:03,280
It's like ever changing, trying
to figure out the wheel of this

1234
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:08,320
madness, you know, but but my
kids enjoy getting going on the

1235
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,760
bus and I was waking up a little
later and taking them to school

1236
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,760
and stuff.
But I mean, whatever, you know,

1237
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,520
long as you're there for them,
it's like.

1238
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,359
Yeah, it's easy to put too much
pressure on yourself in that.

1239
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:26,880
It's very easy to do, especially
like my kids in a probably, I

1240
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,720
don't know, he's like a few
month phase right now of like he

1241
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,040
always wants me, he wants to be
with me.

1242
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:33,880
Yeah, my kids are like that all
the time.

1243
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,359
Well, not my older ones, but my
younger ones are.

1244
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:37,960
Yeah.
Especially my daughter.

1245
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:39,840
She like, where you going?
Where you going?

1246
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,560
Because she's my running gunner.
Like she just likes to do

1247
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:43,640
things.
So I get it.

1248
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:47,640
Yeah.
And and that in turn, what's

1249
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,520
pressure you?
It's really easy to put pressure

1250
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,560
on yourself.
Yeah, man, this isn't going to

1251
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,800
be like this forever.
Am I going to miss this because

1252
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,240
I'm going to take this 45 minute
walk That's crazy.

1253
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:59,160
Do this piece of thing, like do
this thing for the podcast that

1254
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,720
I know is going to do well, but
like, am I trading that for time

1255
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:03,840
or whatever?
It's easy to.

1256
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,359
Do that but.
At the same time, there's also a

1257
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:10,200
lens of that leadership thing
you're talking about earlier.

1258
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,479
Sure, that's what he wants in
this moment.

1259
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,720
What does he need in 10 years?
What does he need in 15 years?

1260
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,040
Yeah, that's a tough one, right?
To like, no.

1261
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,640
And I like I have, I have other
kids.

1262
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,160
And I was like, in those moments
I made a different decision.

1263
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,840
And now I'm thinking maybe, you
know, this new lens that I have

1264
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,399
is like, yeah, maybe I should,
you know, do that or this or

1265
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,439
that.
I being a musician and moving

1266
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,439
around a lot, I always kind of
seen them just coming with me.

1267
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,479
Like eventually, you know, you
got enough fucking money and

1268
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,319
just put them on the bus and
like that's where they had for

1269
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:44,920
the next two months or whatever,
right?

1270
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,640
But it's not like that.
I don't think you know, you got

1271
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,880
to go to podcast in Green Bay
randomly and you got to do stuff

1272
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,680
without them and not be there
for the night.

1273
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,560
Maybe because you it was a
better decision for your career

1274
01:09:56,560 --> 01:10:00,320
to pop over here.
And I think that also makes you

1275
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:05,800
a great leader is that you are
showing them that you're do you

1276
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,680
have to do all these little
things to build the house, you

1277
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:10,160
know?
Exactly.

1278
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,760
That's exactly what I was
getting at.

1279
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,240
Yeah.
Like what?

1280
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:17,400
What they see in that moment, if
they reflect back on that,

1281
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,760
they're not going to think like,
oh, he didn't want to be here or

1282
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,600
that they're going to think he
was doing what he needed to do

1283
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,880
to set me up for success.
Right.

1284
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:32,600
Same thing.
Yeah, dude, actually the her

1285
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:37,240
name is Tay, the the woman who
does the podcast song in my

1286
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,400
intro.
She just had her I think it's

1287
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:45,160
their second baby and her
partner is the in the band and

1288
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:48,840
the the father of the children.
OK, so they did that like I went

1289
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,400
and saw them last summer and
they were doing they were going

1290
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:52,800
to go do a run out in like
Oregon.

1291
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,360
And I was like, what's it like
bringing 2 like?

1292
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,040
Or what's it going to be like
bringing 2 but even 1 like baby

1293
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,200
in diapers just with you on
tour, that be tough.

1294
01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,800
But at the same time, she had a
similar sentiment.

1295
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,640
She's like, that's it's what it
is, you know, And then this is

1296
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,280
what we're going to build.
And it's awesome, man.

1297
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:14,080
Yeah, I don't think there's
there's how would you put it,

1298
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:20,280
the fact that you think about
it, what's you had of so many

1299
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,880
other people because they don't
even just consider it, Right,

1300
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,320
Right.
So yeah, man, let's let's shift

1301
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:29,560
gears a little bit.
You've mentioned faith a few

1302
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,240
times.
How does that intersect in your

1303
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:36,600
life?
I feel like it's, it's, it

1304
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,240
literally has to be the
foundation of your happiness

1305
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:45,320
because like you cannot have
faith and worry or faith and

1306
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:49,240
fear.
Like you have to pick what it's

1307
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,960
like.
You can't be indecisive about

1308
01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:52,840
these things.
You know what I mean?

1309
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,560
And it's I really like that word
intention you used earlier.

1310
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:59,320
Like if you don't have
intention, it's easy to be in

1311
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:02,720
between those.
But if you know exactly what

1312
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,920
you're doing, then you know, God
is like leading the path.

1313
01:12:07,440 --> 01:12:12,960
And I think that's the way to
think of it is not what I want

1314
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:18,320
now or is this going to happen?
Because none of that is really

1315
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,880
up to you, like and back to
responsibility.

1316
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,800
If you look at it like I'm
responsible to be this leader or

1317
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,440
I'm responsible to take care of
these things and you know, God

1318
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:31,440
said that in front of you to
handle.

1319
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:36,080
And it's kind of like one step
at a time because you don't get

1320
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,240
to choose 1000 steps down the
road.

1321
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,640
You can try and aim for that,
but it's the one step at a time

1322
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:47,160
stuff that has to be handled.
And that's, that's where I try

1323
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,400
to leave it.
You know, I, I call my, I call

1324
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,520
my body the calculator because
like we can always malfunction,

1325
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,120
dude.
The calculator malfunctions,

1326
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,000
dude.
So like your soul and your

1327
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,640
spirit has to be like in full
faith, and the rest of that

1328
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,000
stuff just has to kind of
subside.

1329
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,520
That's interesting man.
I like that I spent a lot of

1330
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,720
thought time on.
So I guess to, to give a little

1331
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:19,840
underlying or foundation so that
I'm not, I'm not like a member

1332
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:24,880
of an organized religion, right?
But like 15 years ago, if you

1333
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,920
asked me like I was just leaned
into being agnostic, like I have

1334
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,600
no idea what it is like that was
me then.

1335
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:37,440
Now, even though I, I don't
affiliate with any specific

1336
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:43,240
religion, I, I've spent a lot of
thought time on the value of

1337
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:48,200
exactly what you just said, the
value of, you could call it

1338
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,840
letting go.
Like people that are strong in

1339
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:58,720
their faith, they, they let go
and they allow things to develop

1340
01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,200
with them like right.
And and they don't try to force

1341
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:05,560
things like we were talking
about you, you understand how

1342
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:09,200
powerless you really are, right?
And I've thought it spent a lot

1343
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:11,840
of thought time about the value
of just that mindset that

1344
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:15,720
religion brings, like just that
mindset, not nothing of the

1345
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,480
belief structure, right, right,
right.

1346
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:18,560
The mindset.
Yep.

1347
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:25,320
Then conversely, where does, how
does that balance with whichever

1348
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:27,280
1 ultimately ends up being?
Right?

1349
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,120
Like when we meet our maker and
we find out like like there's

1350
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:35,400
other dimensions, there's places
we're going to go, What is the

1351
01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:40,000
balance between the value that
came out of both of those

1352
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,520
things?
So I'm still searching for the

1353
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,080
the ladder.
Yeah.

1354
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,840
The prior I've developed a
relatively well in, but I think

1355
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,400
I could do better if I find the
ladder that resonates with me.

1356
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,680
Yeah.
And I don't know, I've spent a

1357
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:58,000
lot of thought time on that man
like because I think just just

1358
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,200
that mindset is so valuable to
receiving those gifts.

1359
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,320
Yeah.
And someday I'll probably

1360
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,680
connect it with that other side
of like this faith that I

1361
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,080
resounds with me.
So you you need a you feel like

1362
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,240
you don't have the ladder of
religion.

1363
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,800
Yeah, I'm not connected to any
specific religion.

1364
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,520
Yeah.
So you feel like once you find

1365
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:24,480
that it'll bring you closer to
what divinity like you're you're

1366
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,760
being content maybe or like what
do you mean or your faith in

1367
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,160
general?
More so those packages being

1368
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:35,400
delivered.
If, if I find that I think it,

1369
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,680
it, there's, there might be a
side like I don't yearn for it.

1370
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:44,240
But at the same time, like I
like knowing things and I'm

1371
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:48,920
curious and like the closest
thing I've come to, I learned, I

1372
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,360
had the situation where I
learned a lot about a different

1373
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,760
segments of Eastern
philosophical principles like

1374
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:58,680
Confucius and Buddhism and like
all of a bunch of different kind

1375
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:03,000
of silos of Eastern philosophy.
And that's what really opened my

1376
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,720
eyes to recognize that maybe
there is something out there

1377
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:14,680
that I could align myself with.
Yeah, because I, I was a bit

1378
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,080
surprised about not so much like
the core principles because like

1379
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:24,360
the the core principles are
generally act in a, a way that's

1380
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,240
healthy and good.
And they're like all religion.

1381
01:16:27,240 --> 01:16:30,560
Most religion points to you in a
direction of like goodness.

1382
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:34,680
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I never realized until I learned

1383
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:40,080
all that about eastern
philosophy that like even past

1384
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:44,720
that, even deeper than pushing
into acting in a good way, they

1385
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:49,240
are.
There's so many overlaps in why

1386
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:53,400
the belief system is structured
that way in specific religions.

1387
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,520
And that leads me to believe or
like my current state of where

1388
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,640
I'm at today, which could change
tomorrow, but where I'm at today

1389
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:07,320
is like kind of a God is
everything mentality.

1390
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,680
Yeah.
Like no matter if you're a

1391
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,000
Buddhist or you're a Christian
or you're a Catholic or whatever

1392
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:18,880
it is, like there's a oneness
about it.

1393
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:22,440
Absolutely.
That I hadn't found until like

1394
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:25,160
relatively recently, yeah.
Like that was just a few years

1395
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:29,200
ago that I, that I learned that
and I'm, I'm definitely on this

1396
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:33,680
journey of trying to figure out
like what that, what that

1397
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,240
understanding means to me now.
You know what I mean?

1398
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:37,680
Yep.
So I guess that's how I would

1399
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,440
answer that.
Yeah, I don't.

1400
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:42,360
I don't think I really know what
the hell is going on at all with

1401
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,360
us, with any of it.
You know what I mean?

1402
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:48,920
And I don't think searching all
of them for the because there

1403
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,720
I'm never going to know, you
know what I mean?

1404
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:56,480
So it's like people probably
argue with me and I say God and

1405
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,720
sometimes I say The thing is I
have like native homies, dude.

1406
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:01,640
Like they don't believe in Jesus
Christ.

1407
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:04,800
They don't talk about they talk
about the spirits and like, you

1408
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,880
know what I mean?
So I watch how I say things

1409
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,600
because because other people
have different views, right?

1410
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:18,480
But at the same time, a lot of
people I think also aren't so

1411
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,600
engulfed in the belief of it as
they are engulfed in the mind

1412
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:30,360
state that they get from it.
They are more content with not

1413
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:35,920
knowing and being having a good
life then like arguing about the

1414
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,560
facts with someone from a
different religion.

1415
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:45,600
Yes, and that's the goal.
So for me, I may listen to, you

1416
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,400
know, Scripture, but it's just
the message in the wholeness

1417
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,960
that I get from the entire the
entirety of being in this online

1418
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:58,160
church community because I don't
go to church.

1419
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:02,760
I watch like a certain pastor
that I like and that's the guy I

1420
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,000
usually watch.
But as far as knowing the

1421
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:11,400
answers and like, no, I know you
ain't going to get that from me

1422
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:15,360
and I'm not, I just don't argue
anything that I haven't like

1423
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:18,800
really, you know what I mean?
Been seen whatever.

1424
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,200
And then even then I'm really
I'm just not much for arguing

1425
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,480
anymore at all because it's
really, it's usually ego based.

1426
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,280
Oh yeah, it's not.
It's never our just want to

1427
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,080
state my opinion.
It's like I want to be right,

1428
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:33,320
and it's like I don't think I
really care if I'm right.

1429
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:35,960
I think that's kind of like the
point.

1430
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,760
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
I don't really have to be right,

1431
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,800
you know, and and I actually
need a lot of people who

1432
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,480
disagree with me because I need
this to be successful.

1433
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,520
And if I'm just laying in the
middle line of I don't know,

1434
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:50,560
it's like, man, I might as well
just, you know, go hard with

1435
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,440
whatever, you know, And and if
I'm wrong, I'm wrong type stuff.

1436
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,960
But but I do, I do believe in
God.

1437
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:01,000
I don't, I couldn't tell you
like any scripture, you know,

1438
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,400
none of that like.
None of it like you know what I

1439
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,960
mean and it's just the lessons
that I learned from that book

1440
01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,640
being read back to me by a
pastor basically and him

1441
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:15,080
explaining it in his own words.
That's what I get out of it and

1442
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,200
having faith that there already
is a plan.

1443
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,960
And I wanted to say this when we
were talking about that what you

1444
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,440
do everyday, I think ultimately
changes the way God makes the

1445
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:29,240
plan.
Like, you know how some people

1446
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:31,280
are like it's just, it's just
written.

1447
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,600
It's going to be what it is.
It's like, well, no, it's like

1448
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:37,320
the frequency can change the
plan in one moment.

1449
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,200
If you decide to say something
to this person and now you're in

1450
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:43,840
a different position, you got a
new job, you got, it's like so

1451
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,600
it can, I don't think that it's
all like written and laid out.

1452
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:50,800
I think it's, I think it's
rewritten by the moment.

1453
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:54,640
I think you're writing it.
But God is like, OK, we can make

1454
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,840
an alternate ending to this now,
Now that he reached out, you

1455
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,920
know, to this guy and they did
this podcast and he and he let

1456
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,000
his fear down.
And now maybe I should bless him

1457
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,120
with these other three things.
And now the ending is going to

1458
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,560
change.
I think that's more how it

1459
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,720
works.
That's really similar to where

1460
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:13,480
I'm at.
Yeah.

1461
01:21:13,480 --> 01:21:15,920
You don't know.
It's, it way oversimplifies it,

1462
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:17,760
but I think it's a thing that
can land a lot of folks.

1463
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,840
Remember the game The Sims?
I do, yeah.

1464
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,840
It's like the first PC game
almost in a way.

1465
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,440
I don't remember but Doom too
like Doom was in there.

1466
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:29,560
Yeah, dude, it was, Yeah.
Wow.

1467
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:34,080
But I think that's kind of like
an embodiment of that.

1468
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:38,360
That's that sentiment, you know?
Like it's, you know, you could

1469
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,520
click, you get 4 options, right?
Are you going to go to work or

1470
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,320
are you going to sit on the
couch or are you going to eat

1471
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,120
this or that?
Yeah, like.

1472
01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:50,000
I think there, I love that how
you put it in it in that

1473
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:53,160
embodies some of my thoughts
around it is like, yeah,

1474
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:58,320
everything can't be written.
But at the same time like, well,

1475
01:21:58,320 --> 01:21:59,920
it's back to the packages we
were talking about.

1476
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:01,320
It's you know, it circles that
in.

1477
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:05,880
It's like, OK, you can alter
your path, but at the same time

1478
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,240
there's this oneness of
everything that is going to

1479
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,320
continue whether you're there or
not.

1480
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:15,080
That's why it doesn't matter,
right?

1481
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,560
But at the same time, it matters
all the matters.

1482
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:20,640
Absolutely, because if you're,
if you're going and doing

1483
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,880
something you're not supposed to
do, like using drugs and stuff,

1484
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,920
you are messing up the ecosystem
like of what could be.

1485
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:31,320
And like you create ecosystems.
Like you're so powerful as a

1486
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:32,600
human.
It's like, dude, once you

1487
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,680
realize you were this guy and
you're going and with intention,

1488
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:39,320
you're going to do this.
I mean, dude, you just change

1489
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,480
people's lives, dude.
That's what the leadership is

1490
01:22:41,480 --> 01:22:45,360
really all about.
Is like inspiring people just to

1491
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,440
do something better with
themselves, you know, Because

1492
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,680
man, there's just a lot of
mediocrity.

1493
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,560
I, I get it, but it's like, it's
like they don't want to be like

1494
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,320
that.
Yeah, 100.

1495
01:22:57,320 --> 01:23:00,480
Percent me and my stepdad always
have this argument about cover

1496
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,400
bands.
I go that fucking looks like it

1497
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,800
sucks.
Well not if they wanted to do

1498
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,040
that.
I'm like, I don't believe any

1499
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,240
fucking musician ever wanted to
do that.

1500
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:11,160
Me and him get an argument about
it.

1501
01:23:12,120 --> 01:23:14,320
I believe they want to sing
their own fucking songs and now

1502
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:17,480
they're stuck doing this shit.
You know, it's hilarious.

1503
01:23:17,480 --> 01:23:19,760
I still can't remember the name
of the band, but the episode I

1504
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,840
did earlier today I referenced.
Do you know that band that

1505
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:25,560
sounds just like Led Zeppelin?
Do you know them at all?

1506
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,720
No, I I've heard of.
I just heard of them though.

1507
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:31,240
You know how that shit gets
around?

1508
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,200
The Internet goes viral quick.
It's.

1509
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,440
Funny, I just referenced it this
morning, but yeah, that's alert.

1510
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:38,200
So what's his, what's his take
like?

1511
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,320
What's his side?
Of your I just wants to argue,

1512
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,480
you know what I'm saying?
No, I think, I think he thinks

1513
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,040
it's fun to play other people's
music.

1514
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,920
And as a musician, I don't play
guitar or anything.

1515
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:53,280
So maybe I am wrong, but I don't
think the front man, I don't

1516
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,360
think the front man ever wanted
to sing other people's songs.

1517
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,360
Then again, I don't sing other
people's fucking songs so I

1518
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,360
wouldn't really know and
sometimes I I do.

1519
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,320
I've learned songs to sing them
and do covers and stuff, but I

1520
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,200
could.
I think it goes back to the

1521
01:24:09,200 --> 01:24:13,560
drinking though too, because
what they get is they get X

1522
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,080
amount of dollars, each of them
get paid and then they get a

1523
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,640
bunch of free drinks.
So then and then a lot of them

1524
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:22,040
are sleeping with different
chicks all across Wisconsin or

1525
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,040
whatever.
So they're into like this

1526
01:24:25,040 --> 01:24:28,520
addicted, like they're addicted
to the program dude of like

1527
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,680
sleeping with different women.
The attention, it's all ego

1528
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,120
driven.
Yeah, I'm, I'm pretty, I'm

1529
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,040
pretty staunchly in your camp
there.

1530
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:41,880
I don't, I don't think many
people would like aspire to be a

1531
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:43,920
career cover band.
No way.

1532
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,400
You know, like that's not going
to satisfy them at the end of

1533
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:49,400
the day, that's.
Not a soulful act.

1534
01:24:49,440 --> 01:24:51,600
It may be when you're singing a
certain note.

1535
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,400
I understand that for sure.
But other than that bro, like

1536
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,320
what are you?
What are you inspiring people to

1537
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,120
do?
You're not being a leader you're

1538
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,400
there for.
The party, Yeah.

1539
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:05,240
Yeah, and, and and so I
shouldn't, my wife says don't

1540
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:07,560
let the vinegar out, but I'm a
little let a little vinegar out.

1541
01:25:07,960 --> 01:25:12,720
All these bars for in Wisconsin,
they they play on that.

1542
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:17,440
So instead of hiring me for X
amount of dollars to play for an

1543
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:20,080
hour of original music that
people are going to come and be

1544
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,800
like, dude, that was you did a
show and it was original and you

1545
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,760
and you really expressed
yourself and you know, you're

1546
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,440
inspiring me.
They pay cover bands maybe half

1547
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:34,320
as much as me, maybe close to my
same price, and they charge no

1548
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,120
cover.
They don't think that anyone

1549
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,040
should have to pay to get into
because these guys aren't

1550
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,160
original.
And so they think they try to

1551
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,920
use that formula on original
acts.

1552
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,120
And it's like there's not more
than 5.

1553
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,320
And I'm not including Milwaukee
because that's its own world.

1554
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:53,640
There's not more than 5 venues
that are booking original bands

1555
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:58,240
like around around Wisconsin.
And I think that's just a shitty

1556
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,720
model, dude.
And so anyone who owns a bar,

1557
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,800
dude, I'm calling you out like
book some original acts, charge

1558
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:10,920
your, if you got 10 regulars who
are there everyday, let them in

1559
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,360
for free.
But you can charge everybody

1560
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:18,120
else and you can do a show and
like make a name for yourself as

1561
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:22,400
a bar that's bringing in
something new and something

1562
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:25,600
different.
And it goes back to we're not

1563
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:27,960
all about cheese curds, beer and
brats.

1564
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:30,680
Like let's bring some culture
in, dude.

1565
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,600
And I'm not saying everybody
like there's Q&Z there by

1566
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,640
Wausau.
I'm sure there's a couple Green

1567
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:41,480
Bay venues, but most of the ones
in Green Bay are they're like

1568
01:26:41,480 --> 01:26:43,920
the big ones.
They're like big.

1569
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,240
They're not like 200 people
venues.

1570
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,920
And when they do bring people
in, it's a cover band.

1571
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:55,040
Almost all the the Packer bars
right around there, cover bands.

1572
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,000
It's like, come on bro, are we
just not that cool to where we

1573
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:00,240
don't want to bring it to
nothing?

1574
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,080
And I get it, everyone's all
drunk and they want to sing

1575
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:04,920
their songs.
It's like, well stop being drunk

1576
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:08,240
for 10 minutes and pay attention
to some original art.

1577
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:10,840
You don't got a book them all
night dude.

1578
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:15,400
Just have them have one fill an
hour and feed this ecosystem

1579
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:20,600
that is art of original music.
You know, that's something we're

1580
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:22,920
not good at in Wisconsin, dude.
We're not.

1581
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:24,960
Yeah, for sure.
It's cover bands everywhere all

1582
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,600
the time.
I mean, I used to, I used to

1583
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,680
play solo shows with acoustic
guitar and do covers and like

1584
01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,000
the same thing.
Like it was, it's what you don't

1585
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,960
do music for.
I did for the money, you know,

1586
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:36,240
right.
They would pay me.

1587
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:38,280
I would go there.
It was something I was doing in

1588
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,120
my living room anyway.
So OK, set up a mic and give me

1589
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:47,080
a few 100 bucks for doing it.
But there is, there's a lot to

1590
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:48,840
that, man.
There's a, there's a lot to that

1591
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:55,160
because I think people like the
actual audience.

1592
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,080
I don't know why we aren't more
as a population receptive to

1593
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,080
that.
Like, why aren't, why aren't we

1594
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:08,200
like, I love, I love like
connecting with local artists.

1595
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:10,520
There's a dude I'm going to have
on in a couple, couple months

1596
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,160
here down in Appleton.
He floored me.

1597
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,640
My buddy owns 335 here.
He's a dude that has original

1598
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,720
music come in, small artists
right throughout the country,

1599
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:22,760
but like, original tunes.
And I heard this guy play after

1600
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,840
one of those.
And it was one of those nights

1601
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:29,000
where I was just like, you are
just sitting in at Appleton, WI,

1602
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:32,320
and nobody knows you exist and
you write this shit.

1603
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:35,000
Yeah.
I was like, you got to do it.

1604
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,520
Yeah.
Like Go and I think he's got

1605
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,320
like 3000 Instagram followers.
Because the Internet rules the

1606
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,800
world, right?
So yes, it's like we all look

1607
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,440
and go see what?
Oh my God, he's so amazing.

1608
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:49,440
Oh, he only has 2000 followers.
Well, right.

1609
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:51,160
What do you do?
You know what I mean?

1610
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:54,120
Like, you can't do much with a
guy like that.

1611
01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:59,640
He's got to go crazy and do it.
150 pieces of content and put

1612
01:28:59,640 --> 01:29:03,080
five up a day.
And if you don't do that, no

1613
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,080
one's going to see you.
You wouldn't have seen me if I

1614
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,360
didn't do that.
And I think it's just right.

1615
01:29:08,120 --> 01:29:10,920
It's a tough pill to swallow,
but now you know the formula, go

1616
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,920
do it.
It's kind of like one of those

1617
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:15,880
things, you know?
Use it as a vehicle to that

1618
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,400
stuff that you want.
Right.

1619
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:22,080
But back-to-back to people being
a little bit lazy, right?

1620
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:27,600
That also does factor in, you
know, and it's like, it's like,

1621
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,480
I don't want to do that.
I want to make music all day.

1622
01:29:29,480 --> 01:29:30,960
Well, then you don't want to get
paid.

1623
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,040
You don't want to get paid.
But I, I, the reason I brought

1624
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:36,840
the show things, I've had like 6
show inquiries in the past like

1625
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,840
3 months and none of them booked
me.

1626
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,960
It's like as soon as I tell them
and it's not my number is not

1627
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,400
astronomical, but they don't
have speakers, they don't have

1628
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,680
lights, they don't have a stage.
It's like, where are the venues,

1629
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,320
bro?
We just don't have them.

1630
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:56,760
You go to you go to, I mean, I
don't know, like you go to Utah,

1631
01:29:56,760 --> 01:30:00,360
you go to like Arizona, you go
to they got tons of venues,

1632
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,240
dude, Colorado, you know, and
their and their people are

1633
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:08,560
different.
So I wasn't going to bring this

1634
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,200
up, but I always say Wisconsin
is born on haterade.

1635
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,600
He's like a lot of Wisconsin is
hate on each other to make

1636
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,960
themselves feel better about
themselves for like through all

1637
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,240
through school.
It was like that in general,

1638
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,400
man, they do.
But in Colorado, you'll have

1639
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:26,400
people chasing you down like, is
that your van outside, man?

1640
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,680
What do you do?
You make music.

1641
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,640
I want to hear your music.
So it is about the temperature

1642
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:34,880
of the area, and I'm not talking
about the cold.

1643
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:39,120
And even though that may be
fact, if the bars don't book

1644
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,160
original bands and the bar
owners, now think about this.

1645
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,800
Let's break it down.
You remember people who used to

1646
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,120
know a bar owner and be like,
let's go to my buddy's bar.

1647
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,560
My buddy owns his bar.
So the bar owner's the leader,

1648
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:54,760
so if he doesn't think it's cool
to have original bands, why

1649
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,360
would anybody who goes to his
bar think it's cool?

1650
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,480
It's all goes back to
leadership.

1651
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,480
Yeah, that's a really
interesting that pops something

1652
01:31:03,480 --> 01:31:06,920
into my head like searching for
a because you're right.

1653
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:11,720
I you're definitely right about
the local music, like original

1654
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,840
versus cover, like every bar
ever.

1655
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:17,440
One of my one of my great
friends does a really good job

1656
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:18,920
playing covers and it's fine.
Whatever.

1657
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,320
It's a beautiful thing.
I'm not taking away anyone's

1658
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:23,520
musicianship.
Yeah, but it's it's not going

1659
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,800
to.
That's not what moves people.

1660
01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:28,560
And that's what I'm all about.
I'm about moving people and

1661
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:34,000
doing something that matters.
And there's this.

1662
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:37,080
I am I started.
I started thinking about him

1663
01:31:37,080 --> 01:31:38,960
singing because he's a really
good singer and I lost my train

1664
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,200
of thought.
That was a good song he sang

1665
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,040
that one day.
He is a really good singer.

1666
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:47,520
He's got a great voice.
What were you talking about?

1667
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,600
We're talking about putting up
reps as far as reels and

1668
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:54,160
everything and kind of just
working through trying to think

1669
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:55,360
it was something after that,
though.

1670
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,800
So you're right about the you're
right about that.

1671
01:31:59,160 --> 01:32:01,800
Oh, the the cause of the
Wisconsinite thing.

1672
01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:04,240
And I wonder if some of it
doesn't come back to the

1673
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:09,920
drinking culture because, like,
what's what's the purpose for

1674
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,480
people when they go out to the
bar there?

1675
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:17,560
Yeah, Yak, get hammer drunk.
Talk some more.

1676
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,360
Yep, they don't want to shut up
and listen to anyone.

1677
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,640
Get in a fight.
Exactly, exactly what I'm

1678
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:22,320
getting at.
They don't.

1679
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,880
They don't go out to be moved.
They go out to escape.

1680
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:30,120
Yes, like the 9:00 to 5:00 you
were talking about earlier.

1681
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,880
You put 4050 hours a weekend
doing something you hate.

1682
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:35,160
They want to go out and escape.
Yeah, they don't want to think

1683
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:36,240
about that.
They don't have the mental

1684
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,200
capacity or the mental space to
say this is something that could

1685
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:43,960
fill my bucket, right?
And I think so it's up to people

1686
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:48,920
like me to do these over the top
things to make it where it's

1687
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,840
like I will pull enough people
together to show the value.

1688
01:32:55,400 --> 01:33:00,320
I will pull enough people who
don't drink to come to the venue

1689
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,400
to show you that this actually
does work.

1690
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:08,520
And whether you book me or not,
I can, I can book my damn self

1691
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:10,720
like I can book my own sound
guy.

1692
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:15,920
I can book a hall at at Days Inn
and just book the convention

1693
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:17,240
hall.
Like I've done all this.

1694
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,360
It's not that I can't do it.
It's just that it'd be a lot

1695
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:24,040
cooler if I had 16 bars ready to
book me for original music.

1696
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,600
And I can just run around real
quick, make some bands, put it

1697
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:30,040
back into my music and make
myself bigger because I know the

1698
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:32,440
formula.
But this is what's this is

1699
01:33:32,440 --> 01:33:34,200
what's happening.
And I'm not trying to whatever,

1700
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,320
but these guys are coming
through, taking their money and

1701
01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:38,680
they're paying their fucking
bills with it.

1702
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,320
So you ain't even doing anything
amazing.

1703
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:45,440
You're not even changing the
course of like your music

1704
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:48,640
career.
You're just doing it for a

1705
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,240
check.
It's a nine to five to them.

1706
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:53,920
And so that makes it even worse,
honestly.

1707
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,280
Yeah, it's ally's hard to get
around that.

1708
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,880
You're dead on.
So I think about through the

1709
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,480
lens of the podcast doing that.
I'm super glad I started.

1710
01:34:02,480 --> 01:34:05,480
I always one of my go to lines
as I don't do this to eat, you

1711
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:07,840
know, like, yeah, if I'm
pitching A sponsorship, like I

1712
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:11,560
carouser sponsors the podcast
because I'm a I'm an advocate of

1713
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:14,720
not drinking alcohol and we
really resonated with that.

1714
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,240
OK, I've had I've had people
reach out to sponsor the podcast

1715
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,360
that I've said no to.
Like I I don't do this for the

1716
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:25,480
money, right?
And every single dime that like

1717
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:27,520
I'm not negative on it.
Every dime that I make through

1718
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,240
it, I invest in different
things.

1719
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,520
And I try to grow.
Because the mission is what's

1720
01:34:32,520 --> 01:34:33,640
important.
Right.

1721
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,160
Like the mission of connecting
people or moving someone with

1722
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:40,040
your words or something.
And I think that that just

1723
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:43,280
speaks that that's a double down
on what you were saying earlier

1724
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:47,480
of like, yeah, like some of the,
I mean the cover, the cover

1725
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,360
bands in Wisconsin, like when
they get booked at these places,

1726
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:52,520
like they get paid good money.
Yeah.

1727
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:57,000
And it's like, sure, that's
good, but they're going to do

1728
01:34:57,000 --> 01:34:57,960
that.
They're going to go pay their

1729
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:01,080
bills with it, which again is
fine, but it is just a it's an

1730
01:35:01,160 --> 01:35:04,400
intersection of art versus
entertainment.

1731
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,840
It is and and man, I, I've paid
my bills with a bunch of my

1732
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:09,880
music money.
I, I sound like just a

1733
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,520
hypocrite, but I'm trying to
like just prove a point that

1734
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:17,320
like, it'd be cooler if you had
a mission.

1735
01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:22,160
It'd be cooler if you were like,
well, I do got this one single

1736
01:35:22,160 --> 01:35:23,880
that in three months I'm going
to take.

1737
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:27,480
I'm only, I'm only able to save
$100 from each, you know what I

1738
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:28,560
mean?
But then I'm going to go get

1739
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:30,680
studio time and I'm going to lay
down this single and I'm going

1740
01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,640
to, I'm going to make a good
push for this single.

1741
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,560
Dude, I've seen, this is going
to sound stupid too.

1742
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:39,720
I've seen Wisconsin artists that
actually have a following of

1743
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:45,080
their own drop cover projects.
And I'm like, you already have a

1744
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:49,360
following, like why?
Why don't you do something

1745
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:52,080
original?
Because their last original

1746
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:56,880
didn't do numbers.
So they're scared to like come

1747
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,600
out with that next one.
But I feel like that's all part

1748
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,680
of it, dude.
It's been like that one didn't

1749
01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:03,200
work.
I won't do that again.

1750
01:36:03,480 --> 01:36:07,120
And, and now I'm going to do
this and I feel like, I don't

1751
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,280
know, dude, I have hundreds of
songs, but who am I to talk?

1752
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,080
I took down 15 albums when I
like rebranded.

1753
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:17,120
So it's like making music to me.
Making original music is super

1754
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:21,560
simple, but I also have a song
that costed US $3500 to make

1755
01:36:21,560 --> 01:36:25,800
because it's a rock song.
And we had session players come

1756
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:29,160
in and we're in this bigger
studio and blah blah blah blah

1757
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,760
blah, blah, blah.
I don't feel like the best art

1758
01:36:30,760 --> 01:36:33,320
comes from that, so I don't
really care for it.

1759
01:36:33,480 --> 01:36:37,120
I'd like the best art comes from
like spur of the moment, smack

1760
01:36:37,120 --> 01:36:40,720
it out, it's done.
You know, maybe rethink a couple

1761
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,240
lines after you play it 100
times.

1762
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:44,640
Like, oh, I got to change that
part before I release it.

1763
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,200
But other than that, dude, get
it done.

1764
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,200
But with rock bands, it is a
little harder.

1765
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:51,440
They got to have the drummer go
in there and lay things.

1766
01:36:51,440 --> 01:36:53,880
They got to have the guitarist
lay thing and it cost more

1767
01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:56,960
money, you know, So I understand
that.

1768
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:58,840
I'm telling you, that was my
thing.

1769
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,000
I'd fucking figure it out, dude.
I wouldn't be waiting on nobody.

1770
01:37:02,040 --> 01:37:04,360
Yeah, for sure, especially when
you already have a following.

1771
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:09,440
Yeah, it's I had AI had a
student who's developed into a

1772
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:10,480
friend.
I actually had him on the

1773
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:14,080
podcast.
He he did this awesome thing

1774
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:18,000
where like he was, he's working
a regular job, but he's a he's a

1775
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:20,480
really good creator.
He's one of the best writers

1776
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:22,200
I've ever seen.
He's he's awesome.

1777
01:37:23,200 --> 01:37:26,640
Like content writers, not even a
songwriter, like content, like

1778
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:27,800
he's a copywriter and
everything.

1779
01:37:28,280 --> 01:37:31,200
But he in the midst of that,
he's got a ton of kids.

1780
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:36,600
He put together this full album,
all original music, did it in

1781
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:38,960
town here at the Charlton
Theatre.

1782
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,080
And this album release party got
a bunch of vinyl printed off.

1783
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:44,360
And it was probably, you know,
it's probably one of those

1784
01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:47,080
things that's like kind of a, a
break even thing for him.

1785
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:51,960
Like he saw some vinyl, got some
of his money back, but he got

1786
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,640
what was inside of him out.
Yeah.

1787
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:59,200
There, and I think both of those
things can probably exist

1788
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:02,960
together, but just with the
understanding that it's just two

1789
01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:05,560
separate things.
Like that is a whole different

1790
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:09,560
thing than going and playing
some pour some sugar on me

1791
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:11,080
before a Packer game.
Exactly.

1792
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:13,080
It's just two different things.
It is, dude.

1793
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,480
It is.
And it's he's a testament that

1794
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:18,680
you can you can balance it and
do it the right way.

1795
01:38:18,680 --> 01:38:20,920
So shout out to that guy.
Yeah, he's cool, dude.

1796
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,720
He's he's cool dude.
It's it's, it's neat.

1797
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:28,400
It's it's regardless of what
area it is, music or whatever,

1798
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:32,400
Like it's awesome to see just
people do things that they think

1799
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,640
matter.
That's what I think too.

1800
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:37,840
I think that's the most
important thing, dude, because

1801
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,920
you can really like go in your
head and create this humongous

1802
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:43,960
thing.
And then it's like you actually

1803
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:47,000
can bring that shit to life.
Like, you know, Yeah.

1804
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:50,440
And then like I noticed like for
me, whenever I just go because I

1805
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:53,520
used to have this videographer I
shoot with now he knows better

1806
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,600
now, but he used to be like, So
what day are we shooting and

1807
01:38:56,600 --> 01:38:58,200
what are we shooting?
And I'd be like, I don't fucking

1808
01:38:58,200 --> 01:39:01,960
know where I'll call you or, or
be like, we're shooting

1809
01:39:01,960 --> 01:39:02,840
Wednesday.
What are we shooting?

1810
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:04,080
I'm like, I don't know.
We're just, we're going to

1811
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,480
figure it out.
Because every time you show up

1812
01:39:06,480 --> 01:39:09,920
with that camera and you show up
with intention, God just lays it

1813
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,120
out for you.
You're like, I would have never

1814
01:39:12,120 --> 01:39:15,640
been able to pull this together.
You know what I mean?

1815
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,840
It just, it always happens,
dude.

1816
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,720
And it's it's literally just
law.

1817
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,720
It's like if you say it's going
to work, it's going to work.

1818
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,840
It's it's so it's so amazing,
dude.

1819
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:29,840
It's the universe, man.
It is it just layout.

1820
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,720
Put this here.
Put this every you grab it and

1821
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,280
use it.
Yeah, that brought up another

1822
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,080
one of your piece of content in
my mind.

1823
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,680
You posted one in Lambo with
like the Lambo DJ behind you

1824
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,640
saying the Lambo DJ just played
my song.

1825
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, what was it?

1826
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,360
What's the story behind that?
One, I was talking to him on

1827
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:49,200
Instagram for a long time and
just been trying to get him to

1828
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,760
play the song.
And then I bought tickets and I

1829
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,120
was at that game and yeah.
And he just hooked it up.

1830
01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:55,840
He.
Hooked it up just.

1831
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,480
Licked it in nice.
I love it.

1832
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:02,280
Hey, man.
Oh man, this has been a great

1833
01:40:02,280 --> 01:40:04,840
conversation dude.
Yeah, we went a lot of places.

1834
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,000
We did yeah.
That's the that's kind of my

1835
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,000
shtick.
There's a lot to this crazy

1836
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,520
thing called life.
And I think what I appreciated

1837
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:19,800
most, like I I love getting your
your view on things.

1838
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,560
It it's always good to talk with
someone that, like I said

1839
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:25,520
earlier, like frequencies are
the same.

1840
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,600
You think about things
similarly.

1841
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,320
And I had that comfort today,
man, So I appreciate you.

1842
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:34,640
Yeah, hey, thank you, man.
I thought there was a couple of

1843
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,080
things there.
I was like, man, I get to ask

1844
01:40:37,080 --> 01:40:40,040
this dude some shit.
I don't run into a lot of people

1845
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,240
that we had, you know, like just
the walks and people just don't

1846
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:49,000
those little things are so like.
So you experienced that too, you

1847
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,040
know, And that was nice, man.
That was cool.

1848
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:55,160
Yeah, that's, and that's goes
back to that thing earlier about

1849
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,640
like not a lot of people make
the decision to do this.

1850
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,840
A lot of people think about it.
But then when you do it, then

1851
01:41:00,840 --> 01:41:04,000
you can talk about with someone
you know, and then then it's

1852
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:05,840
real, then it's authentic, then
it's good.

1853
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:07,680
All right, man.
Appreciate you.

1854
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:08,240
Thank you.