Spencer Young - Painting for Packers, Art & Creating His Own Path - Episode #69

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Grateful to have you here.
Today's episode is with Spencer

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Young, super talented artist and
the person who makes the custom

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cleats for most of your Green
Bay Packers paints, the Packers,

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fences, and a host of other
things.

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We talked about his journey of
being an artist, getting into

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it, doing art with his grandpa
in drawing and having some

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instrumental people along the
way, including the person who

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designed the original Green Bay
Packers logo.

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Super cool stuff, great
conversation.

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Of course we get philosophical
at times.

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Let's get into it here.
Spencer Young so.

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I was wondering that like what
how the logistics work dude,

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because you make so many like
you so it sounds you deliver

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them right to him.
Like, it's not like you drop

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them off at the stadium and
they're there for them ready or

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something.
Like that.

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So basically how it all started
was I went to a football camp

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and I did some light painting
with some cleats and stuff, and

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it was for Jaden Reed's youth
football camp at City Stadium.

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Yeah.
So when he showed up, he saw me

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painting.
He's like, oh man, it's just

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your work's so cool.
Like you have your contact info.

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It's like, yeah, here, here you
go.

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And then Dontavian was there.
He got my contact information.

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And it kind of like a couple
weeks later, I just didn't think

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of any anything of it.
And it was like my parents

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anniversary dinner and I got a
text message from Jane Reed.

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And he's like, hey, you think
you get something dialed in next

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Sunday?
I was like, yeah, you got, I got

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you, dude, don't worry.
So yeah, everyone saw like his

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cleats in the locker room and
then one, one player and then

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another player and so and then
eventually the whole locker

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room.
So.

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And the, and the, the whole like
my cosmic cleats thing was

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probably a big boon to it,
right?

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Because then they can like they
get even more flexibility with

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what they can have.
Yeah, so I guess like when it

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came to more work, it was after
the first My Cause My Cleats

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game.
So like that's when players are

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actually need custom cleats
done, you know, to showcase like

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their causes and everything.
So let's just say the past two

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weeks was really, really busy.
The first game that I did, it

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was 27 pairs of cleats.
Yeah.

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So I was like, there were days
where it's like 4 cleats a day,

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trying to just get them all
dialed in.

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And then you're trying to create
that same quality with every

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pair where it's just one of one.
There's nothing else like it in

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the league so.
Yeah.

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What's the process of it like,
dude?

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Like it, is it a special kind of
paint?

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Do you need certain like style
shoes to do it?

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Like how does that work?
So my best example to compare it

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is if you ever get a paint job
on your car, like obviously got

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to make sure the surface is
clean.

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Then you do your sanding, your
prep work, you prime it, and

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then you put the paint on it.
It's the same thing.

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So like I'll take a pair of
cleats, I'll sand them and then

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use like acetone.
So you use it to remove the

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finish and that's like it, it
promotes the adhesion to it.

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And then you do some special
sprays on it with the additive.

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And then you just basically use,
I use Andrew's paint and it's

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like a leather paint.
So like once it's on the

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surface, it's a super flexible
paint compared to any other

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standard paint.
So it's like you can bend

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increase and they'll still
retain that same shape without

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cracking.
OK, Yeah.

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Super cool dude.
I've I've so many questions for

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you.
I'm fascinated by what you do.

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Like I I love when somebody
finds like a little niche for

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something that they can just
pour their heart into it.

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I can tell you do it with your
stuff.

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I want to start though.
I want to like turn back the the

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clock.
Yeah, no worries.

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Like where does, where does art
start for you, man?

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Like, because you're so talented
and like, I love hearing the

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story of how that talent started
to become shown.

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You know what I mean?
So where does it start?

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So ever since I could remember,
like before walking, I probably

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had a pen in my hand just drawn
on a piece of paper.

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My grandpa was a rustic painter,
so he would paint on saw blades,

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he would paint on wood and he,
he do mostly paintings for

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family and friends.
He was very active in his

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church.
So it was always kind of a

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request or like a birthday or
Christmas gift.

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And I just always like, found
that so fascinating that someone

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can like, take a piece of paper
and a pencil and just create

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this amazing image.
And I remember I would just

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like, sit at the corner with him
and just draw, draw, draw.

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And we just crumble up paper and
throw it on the ground.

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We just have piles.
Like grandma would be so mad.

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Like, you just waste, you know
how many trees you just killed

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off right there?
But it was one of those things

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where it was like, I enjoyed the
art, but I enjoyed hanging out

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with my grandpa.
And that's what really inspired

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me to like get into art so.
And it started with drawing.

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Yeah.
So it was always just drawing at

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first when I got into high
school, Like, I attempted

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painting horrible.
Like, I could not, like, just

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pick it up.
I did not get it.

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And then I kind of took, like,
the couple years off from, like,

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just a painting in general.
And it wasn't until I went to

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Saint Robert in college and I
took a drawing class and he kind

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of like, separated me from the
class to do painting.

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You want to teach me oil
painting?

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And it would be Professor John
Gordon.

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So if you're familiar with him,
he's actually the creator of the

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Packer G logo.
Yeah.

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So it was really cool being in
his class and he would show me

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like sketches and concepts like
Vince Lombardi, like told him,

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hey, I want a couple concepts.
This is what I'm thinking.

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Why don't you go back and then
come up with some ideas?

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Because he was a assistant
equipment, so he'd like help out

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with like the team and
everything.

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So he's like, OK, no problem.
So then he he's literally like,

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I think he said he did like 6
sketches on a piece of paper and

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then Vince looked at it and he's
like that one.

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And that's basically, there's
slight tweaks and alterations to

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what it is today, but it's
essentially the same G.

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No way.
Yeah.

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So it looks more like a
football.

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So like if you ever like imagine
an old school looking football,

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it's more kind of diamond
shaped.

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So the original logo looked more
like a diamond shaped G?

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Yeah.
And he was showing me the

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original paper that he drew on
when he was showing me the

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sketches.
That's wild to know that that

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Vince picked it out.
Yeah, he did.

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So it was like one of those
things he someone on the team

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who knew how to draw.
They were like, hey, can you

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come up with some?
Next day brought brought some

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sketches and that one.
That's super cool.

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So, OK, so it started in youth
with grandpa.

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We had a we had a wood burning
artist on a couple weeks ago and

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hers was similar.
Hers was her grandma.

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Yep.
Then you develop to another kind

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of like motivator mentor type
thing.

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Yeah.
OK.

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And then how do you start to map
out that like take it forward,

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you know, because there's time
in there before when you're

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probably like the the quote UN
quote starving artist, right?

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Like you have all this talent?
I'm not really that starving

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carbon, if you can tell.
So I just, like I said, I really

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enjoy what I do, you know, but
I, I think so after college, I

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graduated obviously.
And we're always told like once

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you graduate, you got to find a
job in your field.

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So right away trying to find
something.

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I worked at a furniture store
for a while.

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And what was your undergrad?
Bachelor of Arts and and

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emphasis with graphic design.
OK perfect.

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So just trying to find
something.

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I ended up working for Oshkosh
Defence.

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I did a lot of the big contract
work through them and we worked

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in bidding proposals.
So we would like layout

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documents and then trying to
sell a vehicle or a product

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wasn't my cup of tea.
It was long hours, like I think

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there's been weeks.
It was 100 hour weeks where I

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just like, it was really
draining me out and I knew that

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wasn't what I want to do for the
rest of my life.

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So I kind of had to take a step
back and like the one thing I

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always find myself doing in my
downtime was drawing.

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And I just really love drawing.
So I was like, you know what, I

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painted on walls.
Why don't I just take a chance

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on myself and maybe I can like,
you know, make some money

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painting murals.
So my first project I did, I was

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just maybe like 2 weeks into it
and then I actually got a phone

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call asking me if can you paint
the packer's fence outside

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Lambeau Field, which I was like,
that's just such a huge

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opportunity.
Like my grandpa who passed away

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at that time, I just knew, like
he knew exactly what that fence

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was.
I was like, man, that would just

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be so cool to like kind of be
ingrained in that tradition,

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that community with something
like painting the packer's

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fence.
So I said, yeah, for sure.

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So that opportunity happened.
And that was about the time that

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you did that first mural that
you.

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Yeah.
So like, just as I started in my

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business for myself, like when I
say like, I think it's it's

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destiny most more often than
none, like stuff is just meant

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to be.
And that was just one of those,

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like, moments where I was like,
this couldn't have happened at a

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better time, you know, life.
Rewarded you for taking a step

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in an uncomfortable direction.
Exactly.

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So what was the first mural?
What was the one that you were

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doing when you got that call?
So the so it was inspiring

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higher 360 and they're and then
they have a so they're like a

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training facility for basketball
players.

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So they like train like high
school, college and then pro

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athletes.
So it was like a mural at their

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in their basketball court.
So I was about like halfway

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through when I got like the
message and I just like, wow,

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this is like so surreal, you
know, so.

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So sick.
Yeah, man.

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OK, so you get that call.
You got to say yes to the fence.

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Yep.
And then it's probably a rocket

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ship from there, right?
I mean, it's always kind of like

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I, I embrace the struggle.
That's what I always tell people

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like I like, I actually enjoy it
a little bit where it's like,

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you know, if you're not going
through like difficulty and

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you're not doing your best, like
then it's like it's not worth

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like fighting for at the end of
the day.

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So like for me, like art has
always been, you know,

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experimenting and like how can I
propel myself in a situation

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where I can not only get more
work, but my work gets

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recognized across the community
or even the country.

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So with the Packers fence, like
it really did open a lot of

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opportunities, but it was more
so that when I explored into

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other facets like obviously
customizing like football cleats

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or shoes, like I always did that
in college for like my buddies

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that were on the.
So I play college football at

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Saint Aubre for a couple years.
And so the I think it was like

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my sophomore year, that's when
the first customized shoe was

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ever introduced in the NFL.
So my buddies are like, you

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think you can do that?
And I was just like, I can give

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it a shot.
So I remember my first pair I

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ever painted for one of my
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like 5-10 minutes.
Like I didn't have the right

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paint, I didn't have the right
process.

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Like no one really knows what to
do when it comes to customizing

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a football cleat.
So with that being said, I just,

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you know, I practice holding in
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I'm still like practicing to
this day.

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And it was just like one of
those opportunities where I

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think the Packers fence helped
because I've had players reach

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on like, hey, I know you paint
the fence out there.

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You also customize shoes.
So it was kind of like I do, I

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can like give it a shot.
And like, you know, before I

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would say like I've been doing
custom cleats for Packer players

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like for multiple years.
It just hasn't been like extreme

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the past couple seasons.
So before that it was maybe like

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two or three pairs.
And then with this previous two

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seasons, like the year before,
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And then this past year was over
150.

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So say over double the most.
Damn, that's super cool.

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There's a nugget in there that I
think we should hang on for a

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little while though, because
it's really valuable about.

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I want to dig a little deeper
into enjoying the process and

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like embracing the struggle.
Where do you think that comes

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from?
Because I like, I have a in

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life, a lot of times the things
we get the most satisfaction out

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of the things of that we
struggle to get.

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Yeah.
Like it's hard work to get

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there.
Do you think that's the basis or

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what drives you past that stuff?
Is it the satisfaction at the

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end or is it the process of
learning and growing?

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Yeah.
Why do you think you like?

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It, I think it's a little bit of
everything.

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I think definitely the reward of
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So like when I custom, let's
just say I'll customize like 10

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pairs in a week and then come
Sunday, like I see all those

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cleats on TV.
Oh, that's going to be cool as

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hell.
It's just like the wow, like I

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actually did it.
I made that happen at the end of

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the day for the players and the
team.

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You know, I'm always a fan
first.

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So it's like in ways I feel like
I'm doing my part to help the

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squad, you know, So and then
with the struggle, like my dad

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was always a blue collar worker,
like he worked for Bull for like

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40 years.
And there's he's always up

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before dawn and work until dusk.
And like, it was kind of hard to

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kind of explain to my family
that like, I want to do art full

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time, you know, but they were
very supportive of it.

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And I try and like take the same
mentality that like my dad had

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and apply it to the art.
So like, for me, like, I'm a

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night owl, I'll stay up hours
making sure a project's done.

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I'll get a few hours of sleep,
and I'll continue working on

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more projects.
You know, I just want to make

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sure that I leave my best work
out there and I leave a good

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legacy.
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That's awesome, dude.
I, I told that path.

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So like sometimes I'll get stuck
in this thing where like I, I

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always work really hard, but
like, let's use the podcast an

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example.
There are always ways to get

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better, right?
Like I could buy better cameras.

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I could do a different kind of
prep.

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I could be, you know, mapping
out a lot of things.

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And then I get squirreled by
these different ideas.

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And then I feel like I'm working
hard, but I'm not being

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intentional with that work and
I'll have to rein myself in.

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And that's an important thing, I
think for the driven individual

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that you're talking about
because we can quickly fall into

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like anything I do if I decide
to do it like it's going to get

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my 100% effort, but what is that
effort mean you want to?

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Make sure that your effort is
creating the best results

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possible.
Like you want to be as efficient

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as possible when you're putting
in 100%.

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Yeah.
So I think for me in like even

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in my career, it's more so like
trying to find that thing.

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Like I can tell you like I've
how many of the experiments I've

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done in my whole career, our
career so far, and I'm just

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like, I enjoy it, but it's just,
it's not what other people

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enjoy.
And so it's like, I kind of

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like, I want to come back to
that, but I'm going to have to

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abandon that and find something
else.

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So it's like my mural work has
always been something where

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catches everyone's eye.
It's always been super positive

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and well received.
And then the custom shoes and

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custom cleats.
And then that's the other thing.

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So it's like generally when I
try and focus on stuff, I

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highlight my custom shoes, my
custom cleats and mural work.

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But if it were up to me, like
personal projects, like after

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the season, nothing but personal
projects.

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So like, I can't tell you how
many paintings I've done on

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canvas since the football season
ended.

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And you know, I just, it's more
of a relief.

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Like, you know, you're, you're,
you're not on a deadline

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anymore.
You're kind of doing something

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that you enjoy.
So I think you can have your

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things that you want to explore
and look into.

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I feel like that's fine, but
it's like once you find your

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thing and everyone likes it,
like it's kind of hard not to

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not do it.
You got to leverage.

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It as an artist exactly yeah man
did you ever so playing college

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football did you ever end up
doing your cleats that you would

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wear yeah so.
Like not in college.

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I was always like, I don't know,
it would be like if a singer was

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like listening to their own
music or at a party or

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something.
So like I when I, when I played

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semi professional football, so I
played with like guys that were

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like, you know, they played
Division One football or played

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in the NFL.
And then you have a guy that

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never suited up and played
football in his life and wanted

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to try it.
So when when I play semi pro, I

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thought, well, I could actually
showcase my work on my feet and

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I can sell, you know, my work by
just like it's a player on the

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field from other teams.
Like those are cool.

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Where's Spencer Billboard?
Yeah, I would.

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Literally.
Just a big 6/4 on my jersey

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that's they know it's me and
all.

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So I just like, like I said,
yeah, hit me up, you know, I'm

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on Facebook and everything and
we'll get something done.

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So for a long while, that's all
I got my practice in, you know,

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I just like doing custom work
for guys in the league and just,

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you know, just keep improving on
it.

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Yeah, yeah.
How'd?

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The how'd the logistical side of
the business develop for you?

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Because that's often times like
people follow a passion.

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You start a business, you start
doing a thing and the logistics

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kind of come along with it.
You learn as you have to.

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How about come along for you?
Like contracts, all of that

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stuff.
It's all just trial.

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And error, I think it's still
kind of trial and error at this

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point, you know, so like when I
wake up in the morning, I really

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don't know what I'm going to do
that day.

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Like I could get a phone call
being like, hey, I need 10

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custom order of like football
cleats.

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OK, great.
And then the next day I'll be

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like, hey, there's this huge
mural project in like Texas that

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we want to fly you out to.
And it's like, I think with me,

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it's more adapting to the
situation.

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It's not necessarily having a
solid game plan.

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It's just like, whatever
opportunity is that your way,

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just say yes to and you'll
figure it out.

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So that's an.
Important part of life, man the

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the willingness to say yes.
We've talked about that in a

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couple different episodes of the
the value of that, you know,

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sometimes when it's
uncomfortable too.

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So it sounds like a big
geographic area, so like where

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where are some of your murals
like so new?

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York is 1 if you're familiar
with, like, she's had TV.

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Yeah.
So like live acts.

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I painted their headquarters
there.

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If you're familiar with the
games, Roblox.

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Yeah.
So Wonder Work Studios, who

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creates a lot of the games for
Roblox, they flew me down to

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paint their whole headquarters.
So trying to give you an

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example, like a vibe.
But like, if you're familiar

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with like David Cho, he's an
artist that did the Facebook

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headquarters.
So essentially I did the same

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thing for their headquarters and
their animation department.

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So I just went around the whole
building, like I can't remember

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how many square feet, but it was
enormous and just spray paint

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tagged every wall I could like
get done in the next few days.

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That's so.
Cool man and so how did they did

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they tell you how they found you
like how does that so funnel to

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you and this is where we.
Talk about like saying yes to

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opportunities And I actually
played semi pro with a guy for a

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year and I really like, you
know, didn't know him well but

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he just reached out like hey, I
don't know if you Remember Me

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but I work for wonder work
studio down in Texas and they're

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trying to find local artists.
And I said I know a guy, would

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you be willing to fly out and
paint?

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Like at that time it was only
like 2 walls.

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And I said yeah sure, let's make
it happen.

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So they flew me out and I talked
with the CEO of the company.

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He's like, how much?
How much would it be just to go

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crazy with like everything in
the whole building?

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I was like, well, I'm only here
for a few days.

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He's like, well, I'll double
what we're paying you.

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Perfect.
Let's make it happen.

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And like I said, and like stuff
is meant to be, there's a Hobby

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Lobby next door.
So like I get a lot of my spray

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paint from Hobby Lobby.
So all I had to do is like walk

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next door.
By maybe a few $100 worth of

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spray paint just go kind of
crazy in the building so and

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they just gave you free.
Reign yeah, pretty they just.

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Said like make sure you
incorporate all the characters

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that we have.
And like I said, just kind of

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have fun with it.
So, and it was cool because like

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my mom was like, well, I've
never been to Texas.

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I was like, all right, you could
be my helper.

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So like, we flew down together
and she was helping me paint the

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walls and stuff.
And it was good mother son

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bonding time, you know, so kind
of one of those another

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experiences that I'll cherish
forever.

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So yeah.
Absolutely.

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One of those things that like at
the at 1 angle it's kind of self

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affirming.
You'll get this sweet job, it

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turns out awesome.
You get to hang out and and

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bring family with you.
And on another angle, it's like

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your portfolio develops by
happenstance.

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You know, one cool connection.
You were nice to a guy at one

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time and he's like, yeah, this
dude's cool.

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And that opens a massive door
that starts to rainfall and.

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That's, and that's literally
what it is.

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And it's like I, I do a lot of
mural work.

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I don't know if you're familiar
with Lion's Tail Brewery and

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Nina.
And then they have OK, great

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place.
By the way, I would recommend

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stopping there for a beer.
And they get, they got some good

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food too, But they have another
location Wauwatosa.

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So I had AI had someone reach
out to me and said like, listen,

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I'm trying to find like this
awesome Christmas gift.

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All I have is 100 bucks.
And this was like way earlier in

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my career.
Like you think you get 2 small

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paintings done for me and I just
they asked for two. 2 for two.

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So I was like, you know what?
But it's, it's the, it's that

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time of year where it's like,
you know, if I can make

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someone's day by giving
something special to someone

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else, like I'm going to do it
like this is my good deed around

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the holidays.
So I did that and he messaged me

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like a couple weeks later he's
like, Oh my gosh, paintings were

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such a huge hit.
The owners of the brewery saw

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your work and they'd love to
connect with you and get

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something done.
So I've done 12344 murals for

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them and all their breweries.
So it was like that $100

448
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,480
opportunity turned into like a
huge opportunity with like a, a

449
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,520
very well paying project at the
end of the day.

450
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,760
So it's like you can say no to
stuff that.

451
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,200
I just feel like if you say yes,
you never know what doors it's

452
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:37,440
going to open at the end of the
day.

453
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:43,040
And I would rather have the the
unknown kind of like being an

454
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:45,360
opportunity down the line where
it's like it could be something

455
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,720
special.
Yeah, absolutely that.

456
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,160
Probably gets hard to navigate
to right though, as you grow

457
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:54,040
when you get more projects
because it just talking to you a

458
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,600
little bit.
It seems like having that

459
00:22:55,600 --> 00:23:00,240
mentality of like you understand
the importance of what you

460
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:00,760
create.
Yeah.

461
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,840
So you have this pressure of
like, OK, it's a very common

462
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,920
artist thing, right?
You get asked to do stuff for

463
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,280
free or you get asked to weigh
under values your talent because

464
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,040
you're like one in 20,000 people
can can do what I do.

465
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:19,600
But.
At the same time, people, it's,

466
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:22,600
it's hilarious to ask for two.
Yeah, but that's the thing.

467
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,240
Because it's like, I think it
was for like the brother and

468
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,680
sister.
So it's like, you know, and I

469
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,000
got a brother too.
And it's like, I can't say no to

470
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,040
my brother if like, you know,
they were going to get something

471
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,360
special for the holidays.
So I just like at that time,

472
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:38,320
like I was doing whatever I can
to get my work out there too,

473
00:23:38,360 --> 00:23:41,080
you know.
So I think now I'm a little bit

474
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,160
more comfortable situation where
it's like, so the past couple

475
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,120
years have definitely been
chaotic from August to like at

476
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,600
least January or February.
So it's like, I'm sorry, I can't

477
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,960
take any more projects on.
So like I had like one or two

478
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,360
murals during the football
season this past year and it's

479
00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:01,720
just, it was so hard juggling
that between like trying to get

480
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840
cleats done for players and then
trying to do the mural work on

481
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,040
top of it.
So I told him, like I told my

482
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,480
wife, I was like, I'm going to
have to like re evaluate.

483
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,560
So like when it's August to like
February, nothing but cleats.

484
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,400
I can't do anything else.
So yeah, I mean, and then you

485
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,120
have like these games where it's
like they have the throwback

486
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:23,320
game.
So like the Packers will wear

487
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,840
the blue jerseys and brown pants
and then they had the leather

488
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,480
custom helmets made.
So everyone wants tailored

489
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,440
cleats for that.
And then what a lot of people

490
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,120
don't know is 3 weeks later it
was the my cause my cleats game.

491
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,600
So when it's like I got to paint
like 12 pairs of cleats that

492
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,000
week and then on top of doing
the cleats for the next upcoming

493
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,520
weeks and then get ready for 50
plus pair of cleats for the by

494
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,840
clause game.
It's like, you know, within 3 or

495
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,920
4 weeks you're doing like close
to 100 pair of cleats.

496
00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:54,000
So it does get a lot and trying
to balance everything.

497
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,120
It's yeah, it gets difficult.
So and their schedules.

498
00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:00,320
Are crazy too, so they probably
like they get around to texting

499
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,400
you whenever they get a chance
yeah and then it's like 5 days

500
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
before the game and you're like
oh it's not even that not even.

501
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,520
That I'll tell you a story.
So like I, I think it was a

502
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,880
couple years ago if they were
playing the Seahawks, I had Eric

503
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,840
Stokes message me at 6:00 on a
Friday.

504
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,200
So like that's when they had to
travel.

505
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,040
So like, I'd like arrange, like
with the equipment staff and be

506
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,920
like, hey, I'll be there in 1/2
hour to pick up cleats.

507
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,200
So I picked up his cleats,
brought him back to my studio,

508
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,680
worked on them all night, drove
the morning right before they

509
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,680
flew out.
And I think it was like 10 AM at

510
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,000
Lambeau.
Yeah.

511
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,680
So like, my, my dedication to
make sure everyone's fitted

512
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,920
right for the game is above and
beyond, I think.

513
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,080
So Sick.
Yeah.

514
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:44,280
Have you delved into any other
sports yet?

515
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,360
Yeah, so actually.
Baseball I have just for one

516
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,680
player, Ryan Papillo, he's, I
still believe he's on the Tampa

517
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Bay Rays, but I did a couple
cleats for him and he wore them

518
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,840
during a game pitching.
And I just like that's just such

519
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,040
another cool opportunity where
it's like, it's one thing seeing

520
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,120
like football cleats on the
field and just seeing in a

521
00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:07,640
different sport with like custom
shoes is like, wow, it's a

522
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,760
different feeling for each
thing.

523
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,600
I think.
I bet, yeah.

524
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,160
And that's probably an
interesting decision to make,

525
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,720
right?
Because building on our earlier

526
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720
conversation, you often times we
leverage what works.

527
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,280
And on one side of the coin, you
talked about how it's nice to

528
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,920
have that release and let some
of the stuff you have inside of

529
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,760
you out as opposed to like
making things for others.

530
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:32,240
But you can also see a really
cool path forward with just

531
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:37,600
like, OK, NFL goes to NBANBA
goes to MLBMLB goes to the next

532
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,520
and then, you know, the next
thing you know, you're doing GG

533
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,200
fights or something.
So what's, what are your

534
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,480
thoughts around that dude?
Like, where's the growth happen?

535
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,880
And that's the thing.
Like I especially like, so my, I

536
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,000
wouldn't say it's my first year
because I've been customizing

537
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,240
cleats for players for a while,
but like my first big year where

538
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,680
I did like 60 pairs of cleats
for the Packer players.

539
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
When the offseason hit, a lot of
players left.

540
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,400
And you know, like for example,
TJ Slade, well, when he left the

541
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,360
Packers, he signed with the
Cincinnati Bengals.

542
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,160
And when he signed with the
Bengals, he's like, hey, would

543
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,800
you still be willing to do
cleats for me?

544
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,120
Yeah, no problem.
We'll just have to figure it

545
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,360
out.
It was like my first time really

546
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:17,600
dealing with like shipping
cleats and stuff.

547
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,080
But I did a pair of cleats for
him every week.

548
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,440
So he's he's a big sneaker head.
So it was always a variant of

549
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,440
like a shoe that he really,
really wanted.

550
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,640
And I would just have to kind of
recreate it.

551
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:33,120
So like they, they had the
drawer like the Gammas, like the

552
00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,480
shoes that they're called.
And he wanted me to recreate it.

553
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Make sure the bottoms are icy
blue and then make sure he had

554
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:41,200
like little quotes in there and
everything.

555
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,280
So I'd have to make sure like
every Friday before 6 O clock, I

556
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,560
was at FedEx so I'd be there on
time.

557
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,880
So when when it come to like
expanding my work across the

558
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,360
league, like that first year it
was just focused on Packers.

559
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,080
And then it's like when players
left, they would see, they would

560
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,800
bring my work with them.
So it's like my first year was

561
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,440
Packer players and then this
past year it was Green Bay

562
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,520
Packers, Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
the Pittsburgh Steelers, Atlanta

563
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,720
Falcons.
So with just the NFL in general,

564
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,880
like I went from one to like 5
different teams.

565
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,880
And now when when it comes to
other sports now like I've had

566
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,080
like agents reach out to me
asking me to do work as well.

567
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,520
So Bryce Underwood, the
quarterback for the Michigan

568
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Wolverines, I've done custom
cleats for him when he was like

569
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,840
just committee.
So like when he committed to

570
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,880
LSUI, did a custom LSU pair of
cleats for him, and then he

571
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,080
backed out and then he went to
the Wolverines.

572
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,280
So then I did another Michigan
Bear for him.

573
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,480
Yeah.
So, but like, even these high

574
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,280
school kids that like the NIL
deals are absolutely insane.

575
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,920
Like I'm doing custom cleats for
like high school kids and

576
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800
talking with their agents to
make those cleats happen.

577
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Really.
Yeah.

578
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,160
So it's just like it's a whole
different landscape when it

579
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,520
comes to like, sports in
general.

580
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,760
Like, I think the custom work
has really picked up because

581
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960
it's just a, it's a, it's such a
hot commodity.

582
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Like I think it makes a player
really stand out compared to

583
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,680
like, you know, like if Chad
Ochocinco had custom pair of

584
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,760
cleats like that when he played,
I think it would propel him to

585
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,560
the stratosphere, you know, when
it comes to a personality.

586
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,800
But I mean, yeah, it's just kind
of like crazy.

587
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,520
What?
You never know what the next big

588
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,120
thing's going to be, and that's
probably an.

589
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Interesting part of considering
like growth within just the NFL,

590
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,120
right, because you're you're 1
dude.

591
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,960
It's not like you can hire
somebody else to do them too.

592
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,560
And that's the thing, I.
I saw my wife.

593
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,240
I wish it was more than one me.
Like, granted, like when it

594
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,560
comes to prepping, like football
cleats or everything, I'll hire

595
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
my wife to help me in the
garage, like sanding cleats.

596
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,880
And then like during my 'cause I
was like, I messaged my brother,

597
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
I was like, would you come over
for a few hours and help me,

598
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,960
like sand the stack of cleats?
And like, it was funny because

599
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
like every pair he grabbed, he's
like, whose cleats are these?

600
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120
And I'd be like, those are
Keyshawn Dixons sick.

601
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,360
Yeah, so.
You just like I'm, I'm going to

602
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,920
tell he's like I'm telling all
my buddies which ones I, I, I

603
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,280
stand in and prep for the game.
So like when they're watching,

604
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,320
he's like, I did those ones.
I did those ones.

605
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,480
I was like, yeah, you do what
you got to do, you know?

606
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Absolutely.
Man, well, you get it.

607
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,120
You know, you said your fan
first too.

608
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,320
You get it.
That's a cool experience it is

609
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,280
for.
Sure, have your.

610
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,160
Hands on something like that.
That's awesome man.

611
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:25,000
That it's I think another
important piece of it thinking

612
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,400
about the growth is that it
builds upon or bridges a part of

613
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,280
like larger society too, because
you mentioned sneaker heads like

614
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,720
like it's a thing outside of
sports.

615
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,720
Yeah too.
Is that a realm that you've

616
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,960
delved into?
Do you have you done it for non

617
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,200
athletic shoes?
Oh for sure I've.

618
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,280
Done custom like shoe work.
I just never really expanded my

619
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:50,240
work really heavily into the
sneaker head community.

620
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,520
It's more so, like for me, my
work is when someone reaches out

621
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,600
to me, that's where I don't have
to reach out for the work.

622
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,440
It's more so people find me in
contact, which is awesome.

623
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,960
Yeah.
Which I'm super blessed to have

624
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,120
that be a natural thing in my
life.

625
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,560
You know, like I'll tell my wife
sometimes, like, like now it's

626
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,200
kind of a slow period.
I'm like not getting any

627
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,480
messages.
And she's like, you've been

628
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,160
saying this for the past 12
years already, and it all works

629
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,160
out at the end of the day.
And it's like, sure enough, like

630
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,440
this week I had like 2 mural
opportunities pop up where it's

631
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,480
like, OK, yeah, I'm sitting
pretty good.

632
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,640
So it's like, for the most part,
I haven't really had to like,

633
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,800
hey, like, do you want work
done?

634
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,200
You know, it's more so like I
just have to be patient and

635
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
people come to me for it, so.
Kind of speaking towards what

636
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,560
you're talking about earlier,
you know, you, you put your

637
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,760
attention to something, you do
it the best you can and then you

638
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,680
let it flow to you, right?
And I.

639
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,880
Think that's where if, if you
want to have a successful

640
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,920
business at the end of the day,
I think you let your work speak

641
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,760
for yourself because I just
think like I, I take my time

642
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,480
with every project I do.
I make sure it's perfect at the

643
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,280
end of the day.
Granted, nothing's 100% perfect

644
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,320
at the end of the day, but for
my capabilities, I'll make sure

645
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,280
I do my best.
And I feel like your work really

646
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,400
reflects what kind of business
you can generate at the end of

647
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
the day.
So that's why too, I think

648
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080
that's a part of it why people
reach out to me more often than

649
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,520
none.
It's because they see the work,

650
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,760
it's good, and they want
something similar to that.

651
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,480
So like I said, you know, not
saying that like I'm blessed to

652
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
have people reach out to me.
I think it's kind of earned at

653
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,240
the end of the day as well where
it's, you know, you really put

654
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,160
your best work out there for
sure.

655
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:38,720
And that builds the most like
sustainable relationships and

656
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,680
business model because then it's
not like there's this

657
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:47,560
interesting correlation between,
you know, the benefits that you

658
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,960
say you're going to provide and
then the benefits that get

659
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:51,920
provided.
And if you outlive that or if

660
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,080
you out rank what you said you
were going to do, they're going

661
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,040
to come back for more and more
and they're going to go to a

662
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,800
different team and they're going
to call Spencer.

663
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,360
And then they're going to be
like, they're going to have a

664
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,120
teammate that says, I want some
custom cleats.

665
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,200
Where do you get those?
You can call my guy Spencer.

666
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,720
That's really.
What it is, Yeah.

667
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,240
And like, that's and that's what
it is right now when you're

668
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,400
expanding the other teams.
Like I even told my wife I was

669
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
like, I would hate to come to
the point where it's like I'd

670
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,120
have to give up like my mural
work.

671
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,400
But it's like if the shoes just
become like a bigger entity than

672
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,240
what it is right now, then it's
like I have no choice but to do

673
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,240
that year long, you know.
So like I have football season

674
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,080
that keeps me busy throughout
the whole season.

675
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,920
That's August to like February,
but like now it's like baseball

676
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,880
season starting.
So if like I, my work got in the

677
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,560
MLB and all that, then it's
like, yeah, that's going to be

678
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,560
how how much longer doing custom
cleats.

679
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,880
That's going to be all year now
doing like custom footwear.

680
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800
So it's like I wouldn't have
time to do the mural work.

681
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,280
So I try and balance it in a way
where it's like I get to have a

682
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,960
little bit of everything and
kind of like I, I'll be honest,

683
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,200
I can get a little bored after a
while.

684
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,040
So I feel like it's hard.
It's all right, dude.

685
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,360
We're.
We are.

686
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,400
This is nonchalant here.
Yeah.

687
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,280
This is real life.
No worries, man.

688
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,400
No and not.
By the way, like little nervous,

689
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,360
I'm not the best at public
speaking or like anything like

690
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,880
that.
So you didn't know.

691
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
OK yeah.
I'm like, I played offensive

692
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,719
line, you know, So I'm a bit of
a goofball at the end of the

693
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,679
day.
Like I play more mental games

694
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,639
and I do the physical games at
the end of the day.

695
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:26,760
So I'll have like a player
throwing punches at me or

696
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:27,920
something.
You're a good trash talker.

697
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,800
Yeah, pretty much I.
Love it dude.

698
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,120
So I was a three sport athlete.
I my best trash talk came out in

699
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,639
basketball.
I love talking some jazz on the

700
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,520
basketball floor.
Football, I was a quarterback,

701
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,239
so I would talk a little bit,
but more so it was there's too

702
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:44,880
much going on.
Like I don't know how Philip

703
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,639
Rivers ever did it.
Just talk and trash all the

704
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,199
time.
Where where tackle, guard,

705
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:49,320
What'd you play?
I played.

706
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:53,239
All over the offensive line.
So when I, I went to my freshman

707
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,520
year at Saint Orbit, I play
offense tackle and then my

708
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
sophomore year I played
offensive guard and then when I

709
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,640
played on my pro ball, I was all
over the place.

710
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Believe it or not, I'm at I'm
the biggest I am right now.

711
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,400
However, there was a point where
at that time when I was my

712
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,680
biggest, I decided I'm going to
lose weight and I lost like 180

713
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,760
lbs.
So I ended up playing like tight

714
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,680
tight end, semi professional and
we scrimmage the blizzards and I

715
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,960
was the only player to catch a
pass against the scrimmage for

716
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:26,240
like 15 yards.
Like I was literally like don't

717
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,280
shoulders and the like, safeties
and stuff and I was like, all

718
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,280
right, it was worth losing the
weight there 180.

719
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,400
Pounds is intense.
Dude, a lot.

720
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,360
Yeah.
I, I was more of a runner than

721
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,600
anything.
And like I ate and it's not

722
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,600
necessarily I ate like super
clean, but like I would eat

723
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,400
multiple times throughout the
day.

724
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,760
So it's like I have a small
meal, wait three hours, have

725
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,640
another small meal, wait another
three hours.

726
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040
I'd probably do that like 6
times a day.

727
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,560
OK.
But then the running, like I

728
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,680
remember every weekend, like I
would run from my apartment to

729
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,920
my parents house and that was
like 10 miles.

730
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600
So like I, I, I am making a
mission to run like 2 1/2 miles

731
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,760
like every day at that time.
So honestly, I don't do a lot of

732
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,200
running anymore.
And that's I, I'm trying to like

733
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,760
ease my way back into it.
So life ebbs and.

734
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,360
Flows in that range, man.
I've been trying to find a,

735
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,600
especially as I age.
I've been trying to find the

736
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:23,480
right way to eat because for a
long time like I I didn't even

737
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,360
know it was a thing when I
started it, but I guess I was

738
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,800
intermittent fasting.
Like, I, that's just how I ate.

739
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,880
And now recently, and this is
kind of a life circumstance that

740
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,680
got me here, but my kid wants
oatmeal every morning and I and

741
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,400
I can't make oatmeal without
eating oatmeal.

742
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,600
I just, I like oatmeal.
Yeah.

743
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,040
So I, I was making it and I was
like, all right, well, we'll do

744
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,160
breakfast together.
We'll, we'll have oatmeal every

745
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,600
day.
And now I'm going more along

746
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,400
this path, like I'm having
several small meals throughout

747
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,360
the day.
And I can't tell.

748
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,880
But I'd one thing I do know,
man, is with every year that

749
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,400
passes, that metabolism gets a
little bit slower.

750
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,000
That's what it is.
For sure.

751
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,080
And like that's what's catching
up to me right now.

752
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,600
And it's like I told my wife I
was like, love to just get back

753
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,440
on that routine.
But like that's the difference

754
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,640
between me and her.
It's like for me, I could eat

755
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,600
the same meal like every day and
it wouldn't bother me.

756
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,080
So like when I lost my weight,
like it was always broiled

757
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,920
haddock and white rice and
broccoli.

758
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,600
That was my dinner like every
day.

759
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,400
And then you put like God diced
green chilies and tomatoes on

760
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,240
it.
You put a little mozzarella on

761
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,200
top of it.
It is the best.

762
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,880
That's like my favorite meal.
Like when I was on my health

763
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,560
kick.
So I told her I was like, I'd

764
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,840
love to get back to eating that
like everyday.

765
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,280
And she like, and I get it
because like a lot of people

766
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,640
need variety in their meals, but
that's just like to each their

767
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,040
own.
Like everyone's different when

768
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,160
it comes to like losing weight.
Even so for me, like I've always

769
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,480
like struggle losing weight.
And the one thing that I always

770
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,240
found that worked was eating
small meals and I space them out

771
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:55,360
three hours, like everyday and
making sure that was a thing.

772
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,200
And then like, I didn't really
eat a whole lot of fast food on

773
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,160
my, like, my health kick or
anything.

774
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,280
I think you just like, you have
to find that right formula to

775
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,960
make it work for you.
Like, for the body type that I

776
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,920
have.
That's what worked for me.

777
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:09,680
Sure.
Yeah.

778
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,960
Let me ask you.
This I'll follow up after you

779
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,320
tell because I went through a
similar thing.

780
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:20,840
But when you like running, going
from running 10 miles

781
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,360
consistently to not doing it, do
you notice any mental changes?

782
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,200
Like do you miss it?
Do you catch yourself acting

783
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,320
differently or like yearning for
that and being and being a high

784
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:38,440
level athlete when that's gone,
do you find yourself in a like

785
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,120
mentally affected at all?
Yeah, I think.

786
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,960
The how you manage stress, this
is a huge thing.

787
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,560
So like for me, it's like if I
ever felt like I was getting

788
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,800
this pent up energy and I was
like, I'm just going to go on a

789
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,560
run.
And then it's just like you're

790
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,080
just with yourself and your
thoughts.

791
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,360
Like you just, I could put on
like the Airpods and then do a

792
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,480
little jogging.
Like I always had a routine

793
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,600
where it's like if I listen to
one song, that's three minutes

794
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,680
of just running, that's perfect.
Then the next song I'm going to

795
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,840
walk, you know.
So it was like it was more of

796
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,200
like a structured routine where
it was like, hey, if I needed to

797
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,560
step away and take a breath and
think, think things out, that

798
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,400
was my outlet.
But then it's like you don't do

799
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,520
that anymore.
So you don't have that outlet to

800
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,120
kind of like de stress where I
think it can like definitely

801
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,960
like play with your emotional
and your mental state at the end

802
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,760
of the day.
So for me even, that's why I

803
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,440
want to get back into it because
it's like if, if I'm customizing

804
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,880
football, please would be just
easy for me to like, you know

805
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,000
what, I'm going to step away
from this for a little bit,

806
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,840
throw the air pods in and go
for, you know, a little run.

807
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,040
It's not anything art related.
It's just it's something

808
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,960
different.
It it separates you from the

809
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,320
chaos.
Yeah, yeah.

810
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,000
I asked because I had a pretty
good revelation in my life.

811
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,760
So when I after high school and
when I decided I was going to

812
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,560
stop playing football, my hobby
was basketball.

813
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,320
Like I had played basketball.
Never took it really seriously.

814
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,600
I liked other sports better, but
for like probably man, probably

815
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,360
a 15 year period. 12/12 year
period for sure.

816
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,800
Played basketball several times
a week and a few years ago

817
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,800
busted my ankle bad.
I haven't been able to play

818
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,360
since.
I probably could now, but I

819
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,720
found other outlets.
But here's the thing.

820
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880
I couldn't play for a while and
when I stopped playing football,

821
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,720
I told myself I was never going
to lift weights again.

822
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:31,680
I hate lifting weights.
I still do.

823
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,280
I just, it's not something I
enjoy.

824
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,440
So I didn't have any type of
workout outfit like I do.

825
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,120
I I do a morning walk.
I've done that for a long time.

826
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:41,720
But that was it.
Nothing else.

827
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,640
And I got a couple months into
it after I hurt my ankle and I

828
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,360
was just a completely different
person.

829
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,000
And I didn't, I didn't realize
it.

830
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,400
And I can't remember how it, I
ended up with the awareness.

831
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,120
I feel like my wife might have
said something to me, like, you

832
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,400
know, like you've been on edge a
little bit lately or something.

833
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640
And I I it took me a long time
to diagnose the connection.

834
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,760
Yeah, but.
And then when I thought about

835
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,800
it, I was like, man, like that
was really pivotal piece of my

836
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,600
life that's now not only
affected my physical health, but

837
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,840
my mental health too, because I
was, I was when I thought about

838
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
it, when it got brought to my
attention, I was like, man, I am

839
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,040
kind of being a Dick sometimes.
And I am like a little bit more

840
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,240
on edge.
And so I've had to find other

841
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,760
outlets.
Now I got into yoga.

842
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,000
I love yoga a lot.
That helps me.

843
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,920
But I've come to realize that I
always did that for a purpose,

844
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,880
like I was, you know, I was
working out obviously lift

845
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,080
weights to be a better football
player.

846
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,080
Or I went.
To who?

847
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,120
Because I enjoyed the
competition and I needed to.

848
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,000
That's what it is.
I think we're all born

849
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960
gladiators in a way.
Like if you're an athlete, like

850
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:55,040
you want that competition, you
want to be competitive at the

851
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,920
end of the day.
So like for me, like football, I

852
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,160
love football because it was
always like you, you not only

853
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,040
hang out with your brothers at
the end of the day and you play

854
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,600
a sport that everyone loves, but
it's like you get that pent out,

855
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,000
aggression out.
And it's always something where

856
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,160
I think it's a phase in life.
You always think that phase in

857
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,480
life is going to continue
throughout your whole life.

858
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,640
And then you have to come to the
realization and it's like you're

859
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,240
going to have to slow down
eventually.

860
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,080
And for me, it's always been
like, I always thought I'm going

861
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,520
to play football for like 20
years, you know, And then it's

862
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:30,800
like I stopped playing football.
And then when every time I try

863
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,960
and work out again, I feel like,
oh, I got to do that same level.

864
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:39,400
But it's like the older you get,
you can't have that same output

865
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,320
that you put in, you know, So
like for me, it's, I need to

866
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,200
realize that like I don't have
to run 10 miles like everyday.

867
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,920
I don't have to lift weights for
three hours.

868
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,800
It's like as long as you're out
doing something physical for an

869
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,000
hour, you're going to be OK.
Eat, eat, eat clean and stuff

870
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,640
like that.
I just feel like I get that

871
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:04,040
mindset where it's like you, you
play a sport and you just like,

872
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,200
you know, you.
I think it's the realization

873
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,840
too, is like you are getting
older and there's a point where

874
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,440
it's like, yeah, I'm going to
have to stop at some point, you

875
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,040
know, that's spot.
On man and and that's where I

876
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,840
had to shift that mindset to
sing.

877
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,080
OK, there are other benefits
other than that thing because I

878
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,840
completely agree, dude.
For as long as I can remember,

879
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:30,040
like that is a thing.
Put me against somebody in

880
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,640
something, I'm going to do
whatever I can to win.

881
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:32,920
Exactly this.
Is what I'm.

882
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,120
Going to do, but doesn't that
make?

883
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,880
You feel good at the end of the
day because it's like, I feel

884
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,520
like that's part of our human
nature is to have some sort of

885
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,920
competitive nature.
So like even in art, like when

886
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,040
I'm, it's not like it's a
competition, but I see other

887
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,240
artists out there that inspire
me in my work.

888
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,280
So when I say like my drive is
what makes my work the best

889
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,000
quality, it is, I wouldn't be
that if I didn't have

890
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,120
competition and healthy
competition.

891
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,720
Like I'll reach out to the other
artists.

892
00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:01,800
I'm like, how do you do this?
How do you do that?

893
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,640
And you know, there's some that
are like just screw off.

894
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,040
I'm not going to tell you my
secrets.

895
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,000
And there's some that are like
super warm and receptive about

896
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,840
it.
But at the end of the day, it's,

897
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,800
it's healthy.
You want it to be healthy

898
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,560
competition because that's what
makes you better at the end of

899
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:17,360
the day, 100%.
Yeah.

900
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,720
And then I came to the
realization that I can focus

901
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:21,720
that competitiveness in other
areas of my life.

902
00:44:21,720 --> 00:44:27,400
And now like, I feel great after
doing yoga because I, I get that

903
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,560
thing in my brain now where I
was missing when I hurt my ankle

904
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,160
and I didn't have it.
So like, it's a whole different

905
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,280
outlet.
It's not, it's, it's more like

906
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,600
inward focus.
It's more like for me when, you

907
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,280
know, I was benching to, you
know, be a better football

908
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,240
player, but I didn't know that I
was getting all those other

909
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,640
benefits at the same time.
And that's an.

910
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Interesting part of aging man
you you you realize these

911
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,480
seasons of life happen and
you're attention goes in

912
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,520
different areas but everything
in life goes together and you

913
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,080
have to find balance in
everywhere you can.

914
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,440
I know it took me a lot.
It's like that Ying and.

915
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,800
Yang, you always got to make
sure there's that perfect

916
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,080
balance and equilibrium with
everything.

917
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,960
And like even for me, like
that's why too, I've always find

918
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,240
myself re evaluating like every
couple months.

919
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:20,320
It's like, what can I be doing
different that will help me, You

920
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,760
know, because like at the end of
the day, I want a really good

921
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,760
work life, but I also want a
really good family life.

922
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,440
And you want this.
And it's like, that's why going

923
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,560
on the walks does help because I
think that's kind of like your,

924
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:33,720
it's your totem at the end of
the day.

925
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:36,560
That's what you find your center
because you can think that stuff

926
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,400
out too.
So it's like even you talking

927
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,160
about your yoga, like that's
inspiring me to like, Oh man, I

928
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,120
got I got to get out there.
I got to do my thing.

929
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960
So like I said, I just think
it's, you know, you got to find

930
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,200
that balance in life and there's
going to be it's just chapters.

931
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:54,240
Your life is a book and it's
like the football that was a

932
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:56,200
chapter.
Now you're moving on to the next

933
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,760
page and you just got to keep
finding stuff that's going to

934
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,920
find that balance in life 100%.
Yeah.

935
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:06,960
And then how do you, how do you
relate that to creatively then

936
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,040
if we go back to that direct a
little bit because often times

937
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,360
like you, you can't really force
it out, right.

938
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Like you mentioned, when you do
it after season, there's a bunch

939
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,800
of stuff pent up in there that
you're ready to get out.

940
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:26,040
But are there ways that you find
that you can inspire yourself

941
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:30,080
with different ideas or you look
at things a different way that

942
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,160
make that stuff come out more
frequently?

943
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,000
I think it's a wiring thing in
my brain sometimes where it's

944
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,720
like I can look at things
differently than what the

945
00:46:40,720 --> 00:46:42,560
average person.
Like I'm not trying to get a big

946
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,600
head about like how my process.
Yeah, I appreciate it, but it's

947
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,760
like I'll just rant, like
randomly get an idea, like I'll

948
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,200
just like I'll look at something
like, you know what, I could do

949
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,640
this.
Like one of my favorite pastimes

950
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,200
is like going on and thrifting.
Like I I didn't do it the whole

951
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,880
football season, but like after
the season was over, I was like,

952
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,480
Oh yeah, I'm hitting up every
store in Appleton and Green Bay.

953
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:05,920
We're going to find the best of
the best.

954
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,320
And like, I found this ceramic.
Like it, it looks like a coffee

955
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,800
ground bag.
And like for me, just like it

956
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,720
took me like a second to look at
that.

957
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,760
I was like, I'm going to
repurpose that and I'm going to

958
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
paint it to look like a Monopoly
money bag and it looks spot on

959
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,120
like a Monopoly money bag.
That's kind of like how like my

960
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,320
brain works at the other day
when it comes to like canvases

961
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,920
and painting.
Like I could just like think of

962
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,160
one random thing and then kind
of like spider web it for

963
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,640
different, different ideas and I
just pinpoint something.

964
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,880
So it it's kind of weird.
It's kind of like a a beehive at

965
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,480
the other day, like you're
thinking of multiple little

966
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,080
things and then like the bees
are coming back to the hive and

967
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,680
like telling you like these are
all the ideas you can do.

968
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,560
And then there's just a one
that's like I that that's it.

969
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,760
That's what I'm going to roll
with.

970
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,840
That's super.
Interesting too.

971
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,840
Do you think has that developed
throughout your life or do you

972
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,400
think that was innate to some
aspect you know and I've.

973
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,360
Always like, and I'll say this,
I've always been like gifted in

974
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,840
art.
Like my art teachers in

975
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,800
elementary always said that like
he's going to do something art

976
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,360
related when he grows up.
Like I was like I went to the

977
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Milwaukee Art Museum.
Like I was selected out of like

978
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,520
a handful of kids to like
illustrate stuff in books.

979
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:21,240
Like I was illustrating in like
stamp hobby books, like by work

980
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:25,600
when I was like 3rd, 4th grade.
Like I always had the like I had

981
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,520
the eye to like draw stuff and I
always had the ideas to like

982
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:32,880
come up with stuff.
So I mean, it's always like, and

983
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,000
that's what makes it so in my,
that's why too, when I say like

984
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,680
I got to go for walks and stuff,
it's because my brain won't shut

985
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,000
off.
Like there's times where it's

986
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,120
like I'll lay down and then just
think I was going.

987
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,720
To say, hence the night owl
thing.

988
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,040
It's literally what?
It is.

989
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,360
So I'll just think until my
brain crashes out, which it

990
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,840
probably isn't the healthiest
thing to do, but like, I don't

991
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,880
know, like it's just my process.
Like it works for me, you know,

992
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,720
it seems.
Like that's kind of a

993
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:02,520
commonality in the arts in
specifically is that I, you

994
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,640
know, we all have different
types of brains.

995
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,560
And it seems like that type of
brain or that bucket of brain

996
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,800
that kind of has that thing
where it's like, I don't just

997
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,400
lay my head on the pillow and go
to sleep.

998
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,360
There's all these other things.
Whereas you flip that with my

999
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,680
brain, I like, I'm envious of a
lot of those, that type of

1000
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,720
looking at things because my
creatively, my creativity comes

1001
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:31,360
out in different realms.
And you compare that to how my

1002
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,800
brain operates.
I'm a, I'm a morning person.

1003
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Like I'm the most productive.
I'm going to be from like, 6:00

1004
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,320
AM until like 11.
Yeah.

1005
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,520
And when it gets post 11,
there's a Cliff coming because

1006
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:46,680
I'm going to hit a part where my
brain is going to turn off.

1007
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,280
I'm going to want to just hang
out with my kid and joke around

1008
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,840
and just like, not not think
creatively, but think like in

1009
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:54,720
the moment.
Yeah.

1010
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,640
And, you know, I've never read a
ton of research about the

1011
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,600
connection between those, but I
guarantee there's something.

1012
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:02,480
Yeah.
And I would.

1013
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,960
Say like even even my life when
it in general, I would say it's

1014
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,280
more chaos and it is structured.
So like I don't really follow a

1015
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,800
schedule or routine.
I just go to the beat of my own

1016
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,800
drum.
Like I'll, you know, I'm feeling

1017
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,120
this today and I'm going to do
this, you know, And it's like

1018
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,600
I'm kind of like the even Steven
at the end of the day.

1019
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,720
It's like when you do something,
you're like, I should have done

1020
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,480
that, but then something happens
like where you break even on

1021
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,240
everything.
So it's like, yeah, I just kind

1022
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:29,680
of roll with that and keep keep
doing my thing.

1023
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,760
And so far it's been going
great.

1024
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,880
So no complaints for me at all.
Or even my wife, my wife and

1025
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,400
family.
So I was going to say there's a.

1026
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,040
Couple things there.
Your wife probably enjoys that

1027
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,960
because often type that that
person you ride the wave.

1028
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,080
Yeah, OK.
But I'll say this.

1029
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,640
So my wife is an educator.
So like, and she like works with

1030
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:53,840
like, Oh my gosh, she's going
to, she's going to kill me for

1031
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,600
not knowing.
But like don't show her this

1032
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,200
part.
Yeah, like pre-K.

1033
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,600
Like she works with kids that
age.

1034
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,320
So it's like they have to have
structure in their life.

1035
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,000
So like for me, like she says,
you know what?

1036
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,480
You got me ready to like teach
these kids because you're just a

1037
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,320
big kid yourself.
Because like for me, I always

1038
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,640
have just an outgoing kind of
like funny, goofy attitude where

1039
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,560
it's like I don't really try and
find the negative in life.

1040
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,080
I always try and find it
positive at the end of the day.

1041
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,160
So it is.
And like, I feel like we kind of

1042
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,760
live in a world today where it's
like, man, the half the glass is

1043
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,080
half full and it's like, well,
it's half empty.

1044
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,440
And I'm like, for me, it's
always half full there.

1045
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,600
I'm going to find something
where it's going to be a

1046
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,080
positive at the end of the day.
But going on when I was saying

1047
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,200
with like my wife, it's like
she's got to teach kids

1048
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,560
structure and like, you know,
you have nap time, you this is

1049
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:47,160
when you eat.
And it's like, I would not lead

1050
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,840
by example when it comes to
that.

1051
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,400
I'm eating when I want to eat,
I'm going to go walk when I'm

1052
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,480
going to go walk, I'm going to
go paint when I'm going to go

1053
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,240
paint.
But like, I always run it by her

1054
00:51:57,240 --> 00:52:00,440
and make sure I said, listen,
I'm, I'm not going to be in bed

1055
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:01,920
tonight.
I'm probably going to be working

1056
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,600
at the studio because there's a
game tomorrow and everyone wants

1057
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,520
their cleats ready.
And that's the thing.

1058
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,400
I have the most supportive wife
in the world.

1059
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Like I wouldn't be doing half
this stuff with, with all my

1060
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,280
wife in my corner.
So I always say she's my better

1061
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,640
half.
And yeah, she's just, yeah,

1062
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,520
she's the best.
That's awesome, man.

1063
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,160
Yeah, I and I can, I appreciate
that.

1064
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,440
Is that specifically that line
of work more than I ever have.

1065
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,960
I have a four year old right now
and it's awesome, but it is it

1066
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:34,880
is a whole different way of like
having to address situations and

1067
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,360
plan activities like in the
classroom and stuff.

1068
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,720
That's awesome man.
Building on that thing though,

1069
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:50,320
of the do you feel then when you
have parts of life that are that

1070
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:54,240
command structure or need, do
you start to feel a little tight

1071
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:56,840
in those scenarios when you
don't have the freedom to

1072
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,280
operate how you want?
Yeah, I.

1073
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,960
I feel like part of it is I can
zone in like I can zone like if

1074
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,840
there's a project where it
definitely needs to be like this

1075
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:06,760
is a deadline, you got to make
this deadline.

1076
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,040
Like I can, I could do that.
I can zone in like I feel like

1077
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,160
I'm more of an adapter than
anything.

1078
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,040
Like for most part of my life
can be like chaotic.

1079
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,800
I do whatever I want, but the
moment that I got a big project,

1080
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,960
I dial in, I make sure everyone
is like they get what they're

1081
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,960
asking for.
So it's it's, it's kind of

1082
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,560
weird.
Like, I don't know, I'm just

1083
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,240
kind of all over the place with
that sense.

1084
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,160
But I'm also very organized with
that too.

1085
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,440
So like for me, like I have a
process when it comes, I think

1086
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,360
part of it too is the process
where I can like, so if someone

1087
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,000
was going to like, hey, I'm
looking for to get like custom

1088
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,560
shoes done.
What's the routine?

1089
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,120
Like for me on top of my head is
like, well, listen, this is if

1090
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,200
you're looking for some specific
and you want to see a visual,

1091
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,000
I'll offer you a rendering
service.

1092
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,080
So Ioffer them like this fee
where it's like I'll draw and

1093
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,840
design stuff on the computer.
You get as many renderings as

1094
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:02,240
you want once you get that
design figured out, like dude,

1095
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,000
that's the one.
That's what I want on my shoes.

1096
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,240
Perfect.
Then it's like I asked for 1/2

1097
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,640
down payment and then I always
tell them like you're going to

1098
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,480
get your shoes between 6 to 8
weeks.

1099
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,360
That's generally what the turn
around time is.

1100
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:18,840
So like in that sense, I'm super
structured like, but it's just a

1101
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,680
timeline.
It's just like my timeline's

1102
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,840
chaotic, you know?
Like I, this is my beehive

1103
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:24,720
brain.
I love it.

1104
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,160
It's all over the place, you
know?

1105
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,080
But I love it because.
You're, you're talking directly

1106
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,720
through one of the most
important skills in life is

1107
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,640
navigating the balance between
structure, but adaptability and

1108
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,400
like, even through the lens of
leadership, adaptive leadership

1109
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,920
is what calls out to me because
there is, there aren't, there is

1110
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,680
no silver bullet answer, man.
There's no, there's no like one

1111
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,760
way to address multiple
situations.

1112
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,120
Everything is unique.
And if you can ride the wave,

1113
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:56,760
man, you can then have that
underlying like organization and

1114
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,280
that underlying path you would
call it.

1115
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,920
But at the same time, if you're
coming up and there's a right

1116
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,040
turn, that's like, OK, there's
something cool right there.

1117
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,920
OK, we're going to zip off for a
little bit, but that's the

1118
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:09,240
thing.
And.

1119
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:11,800
Like I embrace the chaos.
Like I love that.

1120
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,160
Like I could do one thing one
day and that different thing

1121
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,960
another day.
And it's just really not like a

1122
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,000
set path.
Like there's people that they

1123
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,600
need to wake up at 9:00, go to
their job and then come back

1124
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,600
home at 5:00 live.
Like it needs to be a routine

1125
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,360
for me.
Like I feel like that's why I

1126
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,240
got burnt out when I worked in
the corporate setting is

1127
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:33,600
because, yeah, it was a little
chaos, but it was structure

1128
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,160
chaos where it's like you need
to be in at this time and then

1129
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,280
you need to leave at this time
and then you got to repeat it.

1130
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:41,800
Like for me, that was boring.
Like it just got like, I didn't

1131
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,000
mind working hard.
I just like, didn't like the

1132
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,440
over and over and over and over
again on the same thing.

1133
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,240
Yeah.
So that's why to like, even when

1134
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,920
I do work, like, you know, it's
nice that I can make up, I can

1135
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,760
paint shoes one day and then the
next day it's like I'm painting

1136
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:59,960
on a canvas.
And then it's like, that's why I

1137
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:02,040
always try and not stay in One
Direction.

1138
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,000
So like when I call my business
Forever Young Designs, it's

1139
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,760
literally it's a broad spectrum.
Like I'm not just designing

1140
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:13,480
shoes, I'm doing graphic design.
I'm doing painting on walls,

1141
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,960
like it's a little bit of
everything.

1142
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,120
So.
So you still do.

1143
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,320
Some graphic design work too.
Yeah, a little bit.

1144
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,880
Not not a whole lot like when,
when I implement my graphic

1145
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,760
design skills, like I work with,
you know, twigs, beverage and

1146
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:26,840
channel.
Yeah.

1147
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:30,480
So they're the best, like
they're my, my business family.

1148
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,080
That's why I'll, I'll go stop in
there.

1149
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,520
Like I was saying, you know
what, maybe I'll stop by and get

1150
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,240
some twig soda here pretty
quick.

1151
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:39,400
But like they just, you know,
they, they had me design their

1152
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:43,600
packages and stuff and do murals
on their walls out in Shawno.

1153
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:47,200
And it's just been, that's why I
really, really just love them

1154
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,800
because they always give me a
unique project to work with,

1155
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,360
like it seems like yearly.
So that's awesome.

1156
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,640
Yeah, you know, I had a
flashback while you were talking

1157
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,360
about that in the in that lake
rigid office atmosphere.

1158
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:04,800
Like if you were to describe my
living hell, it is the last.

1159
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,240
Like say your work time is at 5
and like your work is done for

1160
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,160
the day.
It doesn't pay to start a new

1161
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:16,720
project because like, you know,
why dive into something for 20

1162
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,160
minutes and then like, I'm a,
I'm a get it done the whole

1163
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,320
thing type person.
Same, same dude.

1164
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,560
But I there's this one office
atmosphere that I worked in that

1165
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:32,280
I won't mention, but it was this
thing like if you like, and it

1166
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,440
wasn't punching a clock.
It was a salary job, which

1167
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:38,000
always drove me nuts.
But like, if you left that 20

1168
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,640
minutes early, it was like, you
know, the little office chatter.

1169
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:44,000
Oh my goodness.
Where are they going?

1170
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Talk about my living hell, dude.
Because that is not efficient in

1171
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,320
any way shape or form.
Because one, you're not talking

1172
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,120
about the times that I worked
till 8:00 PM or I was there

1173
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,200
early or whatever.
But on another on another thing,

1174
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:04,480
productivity and time aren't
directly related in most ways,

1175
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,920
right?
And.

1176
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,160
Why would I spend this 20
minutes here watching a minute

1177
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:15,840
hand go right when OK I can re
energize in a different way and

1178
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,640
then when the block of time
calls for it, I'll do that

1179
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,000
thing?
Yep, drove me nuts.

1180
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,040
I think that's.
Just a crazy thing in the like

1181
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:27,280
the society we live in is that
time is more valued than

1182
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,600
productivity.
Like if you're in a work

1183
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,240
environment, people like that
dude works 60 hours a week.

1184
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,200
It's like, but what is he doing
in 60 hours?

1185
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,840
You know, like I can like
there's, there's people I know

1186
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,600
that can work 60 hours, but then
there's other people that I know

1187
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,640
that can work half that and get
the same amount of work done.

1188
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,960
So I think that's often like an
illusion for people to be like,

1189
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:50,600
well, how how long do you work
for?

1190
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,840
It's like that doesn't matter.
Like for me, like I could get

1191
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,320
like 10 paintings done in a day
if I really wanted to.

1192
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,040
There's some people it would
take them months to do something

1193
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,200
like that, but it's like I
actually like, and then this is

1194
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,000
the thing earlier in my art
career when like work was slow,

1195
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,600
I challenged myself.
I did a painting everyday and

1196
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,400
like I did, I think I got the
day 1000.

1197
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,520
And then I was like, wow, yeah.
So it was just whatever I could

1198
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,600
think of.
Like I'm like, you know, even if

1199
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,640
it's a bad idea, I'm just going
to paint it on a canvas, I'm

1200
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:23,800
going to paint it on a random
item and then at least put it

1201
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:27,480
out there for the world.
So it was like literally I like

1202
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,480
IA 1000 days.
That's like just under three

1203
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,440
years.
So I was doing a painting

1204
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,480
everyday for like 3 years.
That's.

1205
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,040
Wild man.
But it, it honed in on my skill,

1206
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:43,280
you know, and then when it comes
to like the time, like it's, it

1207
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,680
takes me less time to do a
painting because I practice that

1208
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,240
much to like get to that point.
It's like there there's a famous

1209
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Bruce Lee quote.
I can't remember exactly what it

1210
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,520
is, but like he fears the man
that practices one kick 1000

1211
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,480
times versus the dude that kicks
1000 times.

1212
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,480
You know, like it's just.
It's like, I get that like that,

1213
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:04,480
you know, you can apply that to
everyday life.

1214
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,920
So that definitely helped me in
the long run when it came to

1215
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,600
productivity.
Yeah, yeah.

1216
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:13,960
Absolutely.
I've seen a couple like Bob Ross

1217
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,600
clips from back in the day where
he like delivered in his damn.

1218
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:17,160
Dude.
Oh, Bob.

1219
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:21,600
The best we'll like, we'll sit.
We were on a vacation last

1220
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:24,880
summer and we spent some of it
watching Bob Ross because it

1221
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,840
like it's, it's just, I don't
know, there's something that

1222
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,920
calls you in about it.
But his thing was like, you know

1223
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,040
how he delivered everything so
softly, nicely?

1224
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,120
His thing was, don't worry about
it.

1225
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,000
The first one might take you 10
days, the second one might take

1226
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,760
you 3 days.
The third one's going to take

1227
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,280
you 10 hours.
And the next thing you know,

1228
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:43,000
they're all happy little
accidents.

1229
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,120
That's literally what.
It is.

1230
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,800
And then, and that's the funny
part is because like being a

1231
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:49,800
kid, I never had like cable TV
growing up.

1232
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,640
Ditto.
So it was always like, and

1233
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,280
that's the thing, you go to
school like you guys watch like

1234
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,960
SpongeBob or something.
I'm like never had that.

1235
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,600
Like I was watching PBS.
I was watching Bob Ross and like

1236
01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,920
before you go to school, like I
turn on channel 32, you watch

1237
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,160
like Dennis the Menace and then
like PBS was dragon tales.

1238
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:11,080
Like I I'm like in middle school
watching dragon tales, like I

1239
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
don't care.
It's a vibe, but it's like

1240
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,800
literally you.
I had Bob Ross growing up and

1241
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,480
like to say that he influenced
my art career could be a huge

1242
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,760
possibility.
But like that's literally he's

1243
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,960
such a vibe.
Like that's the vibe when I say

1244
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:29,840
positive attitude, that's what
you need to be in life.

1245
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:35,240
So 100% world would be a great.
Place I'll tell you what you

1246
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,640
have, pet.
Squirrels I'm trying like my

1247
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:42,080
wife was like, well, maybe I so
I and I told her this because

1248
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,800
like it was funny because I'll
go like on TikTok and like

1249
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,440
they'll be.
I was like, look at this video

1250
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,040
and there's a dude with a pet
raccoon.

1251
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,200
And I was like, in a in a
scenario, I'm telling you this,

1252
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:58,800
this it's a possible situation.
It we live out in a town called

1253
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,080
Shy Acton and the title is where
nature begins.

1254
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,480
I said, if you were to see a
baby raccoon by chance, and it

1255
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,760
was no mom insight, you have
permission to bring into the

1256
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,200
house.
So we could possibly raise it as

1257
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,800
our own.
But and I literally had to look

1258
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:13,840
it up.
I'm like, can you do that in

1259
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,440
Wisconsin?
And she's like, and I told her I

1260
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,080
was like, yeah, you could do
that in Wisconsin.

1261
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,120
So there might be a point in
time where you have a baby

1262
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,680
raccoon in our house.
Love that.

1263
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,800
Yeah.
But like, Bob Ross was the same

1264
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,920
thing when he had the squirrels.
Like, you know, I have a

1265
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,360
squirrel on his shoulder.
I was like, dude, this guy is

1266
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,000
like, awesome.
It's like energy.

1267
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,240
It's the vibe that I'm striving
for in life, you know, so.

1268
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,000
Yeah, who knows, man, Those
things are programmed young.

1269
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,960
A lot of them for no same.
Same scenario, though.

1270
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:43,920
I was the I was the no cable kid
either.

1271
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Yeah.
Did your wife have cable growing

1272
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:46,800
up?
Yeah, she.

1273
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,400
Did so this.
Happens in my relationship

1274
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,040
constantly.
My wife and I have been married

1275
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
almost 10 years now.
I an IRA.

1276
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,560
Know what you're going to say I
do when she brings.

1277
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,240
Up a show from back in the day,
SpongeBob.

1278
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,400
It's all the time I'm like with
like I'm like, what is that

1279
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,080
from?
She's like SpongeBob.

1280
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,920
So then like I like paint and
I'll have SpongeBob playing in

1281
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,800
the background and I'm like, you
know what?

1282
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,920
It's kind of low key funny, you
know, like just I play it so I

1283
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,320
can get her references down the
line, you know.

1284
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:21,800
So I mean, you had limited like,
like what was playing during the

1285
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,080
day during the summer was Young
and the Restless, like on our

1286
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,240
TV.
And it was like, I heard that

1287
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:28,760
sound.
So it was the opposite.

1288
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,120
So she would say references from
SpongeBob and I have no idea.

1289
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,640
But then there was the young
and, you know, the intro and

1290
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:35,480
it's.
Oh yeah.

1291
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,160
She I was like, Oh my gosh,
that's such nostalgia.

1292
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,240
She's like, what is that from?
Yeah, I was like Young and the

1293
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,120
Restless.
You don't what?

1294
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:45,480
You don't know Young and the
Restless.

1295
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,360
Exactly.
So like what she does for me

1296
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,200
with SpongeBob, it's the same
thing with Young and the

1297
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,480
Restless with her.
So yeah, it's just, it's just

1298
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:56,000
crazy where it's like, you know,
and that's a thing too, where I

1299
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,280
always kind of shocked me where
it's like, what could my

1300
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:04,080
creative path be in life if I
had unlimited like television

1301
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,960
watching experiences?
Like I would be painting more

1302
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,040
SpongeBob.
Like for me, I always grew up on

1303
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,200
anime.
So like Dragon Ball Z was always

1304
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,640
like I remember going to Buddy's
house who had cable and I I

1305
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,320
watched Dragon Ball Z for the
first time.

1306
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,800
I was like, this is the best
thing I've ever watched.

1307
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,040
And I'd be like, mom, can I go
to my cousin's this weekend just

1308
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,960
to watch like the late night
Adult Swim Dragon Ball Z.

1309
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:32,160
So but like I always say, like
anime had such a huge role in my

1310
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:35,280
art career because that was like
the a lot of things I was

1311
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,960
drawing, I was drawing like
characters from the show and

1312
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,080
then other animated series.
Like it definitely.

1313
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,480
It's kind of crazy, like what's
out there that can really

1314
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:44,800
inspire you.
Yeah.

1315
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:45,800
Yeah, that makes sense.
So.

1316
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,560
Man, it's so visual.
Yeah, it's so so I don't know a

1317
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:54,080
ton about anime, but like from
what I I've seen, obviously most

1318
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,240
people have seen it.
It's very there is an artistic

1319
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,720
element through the creation.
It is.

1320
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,880
And it's so advanced nowadays
too.

1321
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,080
There was a recent movie that
just came out and it's Demon

1322
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,640
Slayer, the movie it's called.
But they were saying the creator

1323
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:17,640
of that show, so they call each
storyline kind of like an arc.

1324
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,960
So like that specific arc they
were highlighting in that movie.

1325
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,400
And he wanted to wait until the
animation was at the right point

1326
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,800
in technology where it was
capable of creating it.

1327
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,360
He had it planned 10 years ago
and then he finally the

1328
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,320
technology was there.
But like there's like an

1329
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:37,840
explosion scene, but it's slow
motion and each frame is like

1330
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:41,720
hand drawn and it's like just
crazy how like the wood will

1331
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,960
like cave out.
And I just think that's so crazy

1332
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:49,000
to even have that mindset to be
like, I want it done right.

1333
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,320
So I want to wait until like he
waited 10 years to make that

1334
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,120
masterpiece, you know, And
that's a, that's just another

1335
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,840
creative mind just thinking like
those little endless

1336
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,440
possibilities right there.
That's awesome.

1337
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,720
Is there anything, are there any
projects for you like that right

1338
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,600
now that are like not maybe not
to that extent, but like

1339
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,640
anything that's festering in
your mind creatively that like

1340
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,080
you want to bring to life, but
you don't have the perfect path

1341
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:15,320
there?
Good question.

1342
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:21,280
Yeah, honestly, so like when it
comes to like, customizing shoes

1343
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,200
and cleats, the one thing I'm
seeing now is people actually

1344
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:28,840
sewing, like sewing leather
together, and then they attach

1345
01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,200
it to the shoe in the cleat.
And I just think that's so

1346
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,920
fascinating where they create
their own template and they

1347
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:35,800
recreate, recreate an actual
shoe.

1348
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:41,080
So like when the Bengals came to
Green Bay this past year to like

1349
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:45,400
Lambeau Field, I had AI
delivered quiche to TJ Slayden

1350
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:47,960
at the Paper Valley Hotel in
Appleton.

1351
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:51,440
And we just had a conversation
and he's like, listen, man, the

1352
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,960
reason why I like I love going
through you is because you're a

1353
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,320
painter.
Like you have that artistic

1354
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,760
ability where like there's
artists that can like

1355
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,360
painoclete, but then there's
other artists that can like sew

1356
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,840
stuff.
And they said like the artists

1357
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:08,800
at the Bengals have that does a
lot of their work is like a

1358
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,960
customizer when it comes to
sewing fabric together and

1359
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,040
attaching it to the cleat.
So I always like I want to have

1360
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,720
the time to figure that out just
to experiment, you know,

1361
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:22,840
because, but like, it's one of
those things where like I feel

1362
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,600
like you could advance even more
to what it is right now.

1363
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:30,520
Like I can wait a little while
longer to, to come up with

1364
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,480
something cooler.
Like for me, I'm always trying

1365
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,000
to strive to do something that
no one else has done.

1366
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,560
So it's like I've attached like
I think like the one year I did

1367
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,080
cleats for someone, I attach
like grass on them to make it

1368
01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:46,680
look like, yeah.
So I'm like, you know, no one's

1369
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,920
telling me I can't do it.
I'm going to experiment, see if

1370
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,640
it works.
Like, granted, I should be

1371
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:55,800
trying it on like maybe not in
NFL players cleats and have it

1372
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,640
fail on national TV, but like,
yeah, I just kind of roll with

1373
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,720
it, you know?
So yeah, yeah.

1374
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:04,640
But when when it comes to
projects, I guess like there's

1375
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,800
nothing really at the moment.
It's just more so like when it

1376
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,560
comes to me, I'll just kind of
like sit on that idea until

1377
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,520
maybe it's the right time to do
it now.

1378
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,600
So yeah.
It's interesting thinking I I'm

1379
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,720
I really clung on to the
statement about you saying like,

1380
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,120
I wonder what my inspiration
could have been with more

1381
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:26,160
access.
And I don't even really know

1382
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,960
where to take that.
But I think that's a fascinating

1383
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:35,160
like even way of just looking at
things because, you know, we we

1384
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,319
all experience life through this
singular bubble, like our

1385
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,560
singular set of eyes have this
unique experience to now.

1386
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,240
And I don't know, I just think
that's a fascinating thing to

1387
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,680
think about.
Like if I would have done or had

1388
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:53,200
this, would this happen, Zach?
Well.

1389
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,200
And I always say experiences
mold the person that you become

1390
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,840
eventually in life.
Absolutely.

1391
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,200
And like, and that's the thing
and like that's why I'm really

1392
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:04,080
open minded with everyone's
situation because it's like you

1393
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:06,479
just never know what someone
goes through and like they have

1394
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,319
their own experiences that
shaped them into the person they

1395
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:11,439
are.
So like for me, like growing up

1396
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:16,160
without cable, like you never
know what, maybe that puts me in

1397
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,200
a different situation than I am
today in my art career.

1398
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:23,319
But it's like you can't kind of
sit and wonder and have that

1399
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:25,479
bother you.
It's just a cool idea just to

1400
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,840
maybe think about Noodle.
Around on.

1401
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,800
Yeah, yeah.
Often times I look and, you

1402
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,000
know, I don't even know that I
minded then the the worst part

1403
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,120
about it was probably just like,
you know, hearing people talk

1404
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,640
about shows that you didn't know
about because that's such a

1405
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:42,240
communal thing, isn't it?
Yeah, so maybe that.

1406
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,319
But I still never mattered that
much.

1407
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,200
And now I actually most of the
time look upon it fondly that I

1408
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,000
wasn't behind the TV all the
time.

1409
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,760
You know, I spent a ton of time
outside playing and gauging and,

1410
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,600
and it's weird because now I
think about how I parent have

1411
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,040
the four year old, we have
cable, but it's like you can

1412
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,000
watch 2 shows, dude.
And then we're going to do

1413
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,640
something else.
So, you know, that's a weird

1414
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,680
thing to think about because
then where who knows where he's

1415
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,880
going to find value, right?
I I look at it from a brain

1416
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,920
development standpoint because
he's only four, but who knows

1417
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,600
what I'll do at 10 when it's
different, right?

1418
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,120
Because.
Who am I to say what's one

1419
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,240
thing's better than the other,
exactly?

1420
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,680
And that's all just like it's
subjective at the end of the

1421
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,720
day, because there's a lot of
people with their opinion like

1422
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:35,280
this, Oh, I think this is going
to work better than this or vice

1423
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,720
versa, you know, But it's like
at the end of the day, like

1424
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,400
even, you know, my wife being an
educator, catering like, you

1425
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:45,200
know, raising kids at school
too, It's like you just got to

1426
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,000
make sure you have a positive
impact on someone's life.

1427
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,920
And it don't matter what it is
like, you just got to make sure

1428
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:56,640
it's in a positive direction.
And it's meant to be the the I'm

1429
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,040
trying to find the right word
for this.

1430
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:02,040
But like at the bottom of your
heart, you want what's best for

1431
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,080
that kid.
So at the end of the day, you'll

1432
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,400
do whatever you can.
You just make sure you provide

1433
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:09,280
them with whatever or they need
in life.

1434
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,440
So and if you take.
That mindset to just life in

1435
01:11:12,440 --> 01:11:16,800
general, it's so impactful.
Like, I mean, you mentioned your

1436
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:18,800
professor at Saint Norbert
earlier, you.

1437
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,680
Didn't mention what he.
Taught you, you mentioned the

1438
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,960
experience that you felt with
him.

1439
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,800
That's what matters.
So I'm an educator too of my

1440
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,640
quote UN quote normal job.
And like, I can't count how many

1441
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,200
times I've said in the
classroom, like I, I, you're not

1442
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:38,440
going to remember everything we
talked about in this when we

1443
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:40,560
talked about marketing, but
you're not going to remember the

1444
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,800
XS and OS.
But I can like if I go to work

1445
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,000
every day with the intention
that they're going to remember

1446
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000
the thing you just said, that
they're going to remember how I

1447
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,600
made them feel and the path that
I helped them walk.

1448
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,280
The rest kind of comes with it.
But that's the thing.

1449
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,760
And I think like when it comes
to like, even for me, like I

1450
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,960
want to be as authentic as
possible.

1451
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:02,600
And I feel like an authentic
person will leave more of an

1452
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:06,040
impact on a person who this is
what's in the textbook.

1453
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,920
And you just tell them what this
fact is.

1454
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,800
You know, I feel like, and you
also have to have a passion and

1455
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,160
love for it.
So like I was or my wife would

1456
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:16,640
always tell me I was like, well,
it's not a really good paying

1457
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,280
job.
I was like, language, who gives

1458
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,680
you shit about the money, you
know, because money at the end

1459
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,720
of the day, like you can't take
that with you when you're gone,

1460
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,480
You know, you're going to like,
you don't know what's going to

1461
01:12:27,480 --> 01:12:29,800
happen after this life.
But but for me, like I just feel

1462
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:32,600
like we have one life, You know,
you, you should live it to the

1463
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:34,920
fullest.
You should live and do what you

1464
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,960
want to do and like you're doing
something that you love at the

1465
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,120
end of the day and you're going
to be happy at the end of the

1466
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,800
day, like 20 years from now.
Like, and I always tell her

1467
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,520
that's such a cool thing to like
kind of reflect on like think

1468
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:48,320
about like when you're retired
and then you're going to have

1469
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,840
like a like once a kid is now an
adult could walk up to you and

1470
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,840
be like, thank you for the
impact that you, you helped me.

1471
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,600
Like I do like my elementary
teacher, like her name was

1472
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,240
Misses Beecher.
Like I remember like she would

1473
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:04,160
let me draw during like
lunchtime and recess in her

1474
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,840
class.
And like, I always like was so

1475
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:11,360
grateful for that because like,
it really did like I, I enjoyed

1476
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,760
that time, you know, And I, she
just retired like last year and

1477
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,000
I had to like messenger and I
was like, just thank you for

1478
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:20,000
everything.
Thank you for like the path you

1479
01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:23,600
let led me in life.
And I just like, I'm forever

1480
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,960
grateful for that experience to
like guide me here.

1481
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,320
So yeah.
And you think?

1482
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,000
About the that's that's really
resembling to that point,

1483
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,800
actually, because that space for
you was important at that time,

1484
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,960
because there were some days
that that was probably an escape

1485
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,760
and there were some days that
that was probably a

1486
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,320
reinvigorator when you needed
it.

1487
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:44,560
It is.
Yeah, and I was, I was a shy kid

1488
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,880
growing up too.
I kind of reserved and kept to

1489
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,800
myself.
And it's just kind of like some

1490
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,960
people can like be in a room and
socially interact with everyone.

1491
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,040
For me, like kind of my escape
and was like being in my own

1492
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,240
world and just drawing, you
know, that was my socializing, I

1493
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,600
guess, you know, So I, and
that's the thing I was, and I'm

1494
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,160
super grateful for like having a
space where I could do that, you

1495
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,840
know, at school, you know, and
someone who like literally would

1496
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,280
tell my mom, like, yeah, he's
going to be an artist when he

1497
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:17,800
grows up.
There's no doubt about it.

1498
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,040
Don't know how it's going to
happen, but he will do something

1499
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,040
art related for sure.
So it's kind of cool.

1500
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:27,440
And then like even looking at
old papers, like there was like

1501
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,520
a fifth grade assignment, my
mom's like, look at what I

1502
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,040
found.
And it said, what do you want to

1503
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,840
be when you grow up?
An artist.

1504
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,720
And I was like, what it said.
So it's kind of cool.

1505
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,520
Like if I can go back in time
and like we did a little guy.

1506
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,560
I wasn't really a little guy
back then, but you know, that's

1507
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,600
a gift.
In itself, dude, that's a,

1508
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:51,280
that's a gift in itself because
the, the path to finding true

1509
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:56,960
satisfaction, especially through
your work, is really winding and

1510
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:01,440
understanding.
Even what you find satisfaction

1511
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:05,880
out of as a fifth grader is a
true gift because then when you

1512
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,080
set your sights on something, we
are and nothing good happens

1513
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,920
overnight, going back to the
hard work thing.

1514
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:17,440
But you can meander in that
direction and that's a gift,

1515
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,040
dude.
And I was really like I and

1516
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,840
that's a crazy thing because
like everyone always talked

1517
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,080
about like bull, if you go to
college, what are you going to

1518
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,680
do it?
And like I always just found it

1519
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,000
weird that people didn't know
what they wanted to do when they

1520
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,280
were going to school.
Like I always had the mindset

1521
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:33,480
I'm going to do some art
related, whatever that may be.

1522
01:15:33,480 --> 01:15:37,200
It was, it was a matter of
deciding am I going to be a fine

1523
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:41,160
art studio major or am I going
to be like a graphic design?

1524
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:44,120
You know, and like even my
professors told me you're like,

1525
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,440
you're just wasting your time
with the fine art Rd.

1526
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,040
Like you, you already have that
pre established, like you have

1527
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,440
the basic techniques that we
like.

1528
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,920
This is just going to be rinse
and repeat for you.

1529
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,200
So if you just do graphic
design, it's a different thing,

1530
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,320
like a good expand, a different
kind of thing that you didn't

1531
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,760
know before.
And like, thank God that

1532
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,360
professor told me that because
like it really did open like

1533
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,120
even for like customizing shoes,
like if if I didn't know half

1534
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,360
the stuff in graphic design, I
wouldn't be able to like

1535
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:15,200
customize shoes visually on the
computer to show people right

1536
01:16:15,200 --> 01:16:16,480
the.
Renderings and stuff you were

1537
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,440
talking about earlier, yeah, and
that's and.

1538
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,440
And that's cool in itself.
And I feel like it that's a huge

1539
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:24,400
selling point for people is
like, if I can go on a computer

1540
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,720
and visual, like it's one thing
to sell an idea to someone, if

1541
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,880
you could show them visually
what it's going to look like,

1542
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:34,320
then they're all in at the end
of the day.

1543
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,000
So it's like, it's funny, I'll
get a message and be like, do

1544
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,240
you think you do a few
renderings for me?

1545
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,960
And I was like, yeah, we'll get
it done.

1546
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,720
So like I'm literally, I'll have
12 cleats on one page and each

1547
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,000
one will be customized look a
certain way.

1548
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,840
So like some will be like
lightning bolts on them.

1549
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,800
And then the other ones are like
they called off white shoes.

1550
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,880
I don't know if you're a sneaker
head or anything, but there's a

1551
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:59,600
variation of what a sneaker
already looks like.

1552
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:03,880
So it's like the the ideas that
they send me, they just always

1553
01:17:03,880 --> 01:17:06,320
say like, I want to see a
visual, yeah.

1554
01:17:06,440 --> 01:17:09,800
And make it happen, yeah.
That's so cool, dude.

1555
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,640
I love, I love talking about the
journey, man.

1556
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:17,920
Yeah, the the, the journey and,
and like the, the, the places

1557
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,760
that we cling on to in life that
we deem as, you know, important

1558
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:26,120
to us.
And that, you know, going back

1559
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,000
to your point earlier, the the
decisions we make and the things

1560
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,160
to do the things we do lead us
to the experiences you mentioned

1561
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,400
earlier that that mold us as a
person.

1562
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,280
Exactly.
So it's really easy to feel that

1563
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,840
we don't have control at times.
But really what you do have

1564
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:43,880
control is that of this moment.
Yeah.

1565
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:47,480
And even if you feel like you
don't, all you got to do is

1566
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:50,200
stop, take a deep breath and re
evaluate.

1567
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,520
That's it.
Like this, like our

1568
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,920
conversation.
I just like I knew this was a

1569
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,040
conversation.
It was going to go philosophical

1570
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,040
at some point.
Because at the end of the day,

1571
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,640
like every creative, every crazy
artist ever, like I think like

1572
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:06,720
Andy Warhol, Salvador Dali,
those are the just the most

1573
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,880
eccentric people you'd ever see.
Like Dolly had a pet aardvark,

1574
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,560
you know, like what what
experience happened to make him

1575
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,480
like be walking around like New
York with a bark, you know, and

1576
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:21,320
then Andy Warhol is like, yeah,
I'm going to paint soup cans.

1577
01:18:21,320 --> 01:18:23,640
Like what?
Like how does that happen?

1578
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:26,360
You know, I just think it's like
at the end of the day, I think

1579
01:18:26,360 --> 01:18:30,520
it's just evaluating your life
and seeing how you can apply it

1580
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:32,640
in your in your work as an
artist.

1581
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,000
So I say everything that I do is
just based on circumstance and

1582
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:41,000
experience in life.
So like I've always like when we

1583
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,280
were talking about that earlier
when like one phase ends in a

1584
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:48,960
new chapter begins, like when I
retired from like playing semi

1585
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,200
pro ball, I was just like, man,
I just don't know what I'm going

1586
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:55,800
to do now.
But like I still have that.

1587
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,600
I feel in ways like kind of a
brotherhood where I'm

1588
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:02,080
customizing cleats for a team.
So it's like I never really left

1589
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,400
the football space.
I just transitioned into a new

1590
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:09,600
position where it's like I'm
just complete artist for a lot

1591
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,640
of players.
So it's kind of cool where I I

1592
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:14,720
still feel like I'm part of the
team at at times, you know?

1593
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,720
So I feel like the transition
from retirement to go into

1594
01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,160
something that still football
related is pretty much the same

1595
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,400
thing.
And maybe.

1596
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:27,440
Subliminally, your experiences
led to you.

1597
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,920
You know, we talked about life's
happenstance earlier, but also

1598
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,160
we pull some levers, too.
Maybe subliminally your

1599
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:38,280
experiences LED you to maybe
even searching that out because,

1600
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,200
like, you forecasted that
feeling.

1601
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,480
Yeah.
Because it's certainly true.

1602
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:43,760
I mean, how many, how many
times?

1603
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,880
I can't remember the dude's name
right now, but how many times

1604
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,000
does Aaron Rodgers shouted out
the equipment guy for the

1605
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,280
Packers so many times.
Like, it's part of it.

1606
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:51,760
Yeah.
I.

1607
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,960
Jokingly told my parents I was
like, if Packers win the Super

1608
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:59,080
Bowl this year, I am going to
campaign to get my ring.

1609
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,360
Like I feel like I I should get
a ring for being part of the

1610
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:06,160
team like branded like, you
know, like if if we would have

1611
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,360
made a Super Bowl like players
wearing cost like that would be

1612
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,200
one thing that like I wouldn't
even care about the ring.

1613
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:15,160
It would just be like, man, my
cleats are on the mainstage to

1614
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,760
like the most watched like
television program in the world.

1615
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:20,520
Like that would be insane.
Like that's the dream.

1616
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,360
I think like I want the Packers
to go to the Super Bowl.

1617
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,080
I want to see like my work out
on the big stage and then at the

1618
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,000
end of the day.
I want him to hoist the Lombardi

1619
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,320
Trophy, you know, that's that's
why I wanted to happen this

1620
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,680
year.
But we'll be patient with that

1621
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,920
after.
Seeing how the Seahawks defense

1622
01:20:36,920 --> 01:20:39,880
played, I was kind of glad we
didn't even make it because we,

1623
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,280
we couldn't have stood up to
that at that point.

1624
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:43,880
They played out of their mind.
They're they're.

1625
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,840
Very, very good team.
And like, it was cool seeing.

1626
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,640
So like, I went to school with a
buddy and his uncle is John

1627
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:50,520
Schneider.
OK.

1628
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,040
Yeah.
So it's cool to see, like,

1629
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,920
natives from the Green Bay Area
actually, you know, won a Super

1630
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,720
Bowl and stuff.
And I just think that's it's

1631
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:01,000
like such a cool that there's
Wisconsin roots here, you know,

1632
01:21:01,160 --> 01:21:04,240
so we.
We, we make football people,

1633
01:21:04,240 --> 01:21:05,440
dude.
That's what it is.

1634
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,280
We.
Make football people 100% yeah.

1635
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,160
Offensive.
Lineman in general, like I

1636
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,320
remember like growing up as a
kid until high school, it was

1637
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:17,000
like, all right, if Wisconsin's
top offense line group is going

1638
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:20,880
to be a top five pick or a first
round pick, either way, Joe

1639
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,240
Thomas and all those guys you
know, and he's he's farming.

1640
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:27,040
Beef now have you seen that he's
I think I saw some like.

1641
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:30,400
He's like signing signatures on
packages and dropping her off to

1642
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,520
locations.
I was like, man, that's so rad.

1643
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,200
Like when it's all said and
done, you just like, do what you

1644
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,280
want to do.
And yeah, yeah, I've been

1645
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,800
thinking.
About shooting him Adm to try to

1646
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,160
get him on the pod because he's
back in Wisconsin just raising

1647
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,600
beef.
That's so cool.

1648
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,480
But you're right man there and
it's too bad that it's it's not

1649
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:51,200
really that anymore.
But for the longest time like it

1650
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,840
man, if if not don't even talk
about Wisconsin the country.

1651
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:58,000
If you were, you know, blue chip
offensive lineman you wanted to

1652
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,320
be a badger.
Oh, that's what.

1653
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:02,360
It is for sure.
I was like, and even running

1654
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:06,600
backs now to like, I, I still
think we're in that like that

1655
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,240
time in the team where it's like
if you go to Wisconsin, be a

1656
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:12,800
running back, you're you're
going to get looks in the NFL or

1657
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,440
you're going to be like a first
round talent.

1658
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,400
Like, I was just, it was crazy
because someone shared, like,

1659
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:22,760
who were the best running backs
each season from like 2010 to,

1660
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,960
like now.
Yeah, Jonathan Taylor on there

1661
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,760
and Melvin Gordon.
I think Monte Ball was on there,

1662
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:29,960
too.
And some good years.

1663
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:31,200
People forget about that.
Very good.

1664
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,560
Years and like like I even
remember like John Clay like

1665
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:37,600
John Clay was a guy that was
like he was so good for the

1666
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,600
Badgers.
You know I just it's just like

1667
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,400
offense, alignment and running
backs.

1668
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,640
That's where we were blessed to
have, you know, those positions.

1669
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,760
Be a lead for sure.
Yeah, it's.

1670
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,320
Funny my my one of my best
friends in the world.

1671
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,680
He's my college roommate.
Like, I've known him for a long

1672
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,800
time.
He played against.

1673
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,680
He tells me the story about
playing against John Clay.

1674
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,120
He grew up in South.
Oh, no, kid.

1675
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,520
Yeah.
And he's like he he's got this

1676
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,560
line that he says his coach said
something about, you know, we're

1677
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,200
used to playing, seeing guys
that are going to play on

1678
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:07,520
Saturdays.
That guy's going to play on

1679
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:09,160
Sunday.
Just talks about just getting

1680
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,760
just trounced by this and just
being a different level of

1681
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:13,680
human.
Yeah.

1682
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:19,600
Well, my cousin, like he played
at so he went to junior college

1683
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,920
Rd.
So like he waited a while and he

1684
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,560
went to Northern Iowa Community
College and it's crazy.

1685
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,040
This is like, so are you
familiar with Marshall Yonda?

1686
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,640
That sounds familiar.
But not immediately.

1687
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,920
So he played like.
I think it was like 14 seasons

1688
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:36,160
with like the Ravens.
He was like an all pro offense.

1689
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:39,480
OK, yes, he'll probably do know
one of the best interior line in

1690
01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,720
the like, ever play the game so.
Junior.

1691
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,120
College, my cousin was on the
same team as him and they were

1692
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,480
like roommates in a way.
So I remember like going down

1693
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:52,280
there and like watching that
game and there was a safety on a

1694
01:23:52,280 --> 01:23:56,280
blitz and I saw him like the
safety tried to jump him and he

1695
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,200
picked this dude up and
helicopter them and the guy just

1696
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:02,280
laying face down on the ground.
And I told my cousin like, I've

1697
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:06,360
never seen, like I was in high
school, I've never seen any

1698
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,440
football player do anything like
that.

1699
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,360
And then like his brother, who
was like sitting with us was

1700
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:14,880
like, yeah, he was telling me
about him.

1701
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:16,320
That guy is going to play
Sundays.

1702
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,920
And this is at junior college.
And now you're like, you Fast

1703
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:21,640
forward and like, I think he
should have been a first ballot

1704
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:23,800
Hall of Famer.
That's just my opinion, though.

1705
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,120
But like, he's going to be in
the Hall of Fame one of these

1706
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,120
days.
But it's just crazy seeing a guy

1707
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,080
like that and then having them
tell you like he's going to be

1708
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,280
the real deal.
And then like the next season he

1709
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,760
went to Iowa, dominated at Iowa,
and then he got drafted.

1710
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,720
I don't know if it was like the
third or fourth round, but like

1711
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,200
ended up having the most amazing
career for the Ravens.

1712
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:44,920
So that's.
Awesome dude.

1713
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,400
That's actually a perfect way to
cap off our conversation too,

1714
01:24:47,480 --> 01:24:52,120
because that happens at at
different levels, right?

1715
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,040
Like we we talked about that one
in a different way because of

1716
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:58,320
the ultimate career that the
person ended up having.

1717
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,440
But think about the 5th grade
teacher, man, the 5th grade

1718
01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:06,080
teacher was forecasting that for
you to your parents.

1719
01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:11,680
And like, the path you're on is
just as important, and the

1720
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,480
ceiling is just as that's sick
to think about it is.

1721
01:25:15,480 --> 01:25:19,520
Like I just, it's like I even
told my wife even just now, like

1722
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,880
the, the, the potential in the
ceiling is like the Sky's the

1723
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:24,560
limit at the end of the day, you
know?

1724
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:28,400
So I just think like where I'm
at in life right now, it's like,

1725
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:32,080
man, what's what's in store next
week even, you know, like I just

1726
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,720
want to keep growing as a
person.

1727
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,080
Like whether that's in my art,
that's my family life at the end

1728
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,480
of the day, I just want to grow
and be a better and a good

1729
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:41,880
person to everyone in this
world.

1730
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:44,240
So that's sick.
Yeah, well, thanks for chatting,

1731
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:45,240
man.
Keep on the path.

1732
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:46,960
You're doing something right.
No, I appreciate.

1733
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,280
You having me on the show.
Like I said, I get a little

1734
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,800
nervous sometimes talking to
people, but I had a fantastic

1735
01:25:52,800 --> 01:25:54,240
time with you today.
I never would have.

1736
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:54,760
Guessed.
Dude.

1737
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,160
I never would have guessed.
Most of the time I can pinpoint

1738
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:58,280
it.
I worked in radio for a long

1739
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,480
time, so I could always see the
beads of sweat start off.

1740
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:02,600
Yeah, when the mic got cracked.
Oh, you didn't see the pitch?

1741
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,280
Right now they are.
They are dredged.

1742
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,160
It's a swimming pool right there
for sure.

1743
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,320
We're going to get awesome.
To turn the heater on, right?

1744
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:12,760
Yeah, don't do that.
I wore the darkest shirts so no

1745
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,800
one can see the sweat stains.
All right, man, I appreciate.

1746
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:16,880
You.
I appreciate you, man.

1747
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:20,320
Thank you.
That was a great.