Sophie Herriot - Pole Vault, NIL, Marketing & the Mental Side of Sports - Ep. #50

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What's up friends, Welcome back
to Rooted Wisconsin.

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Appreciate you for clicking
another episode.

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Appreciate you for being you.
Today's episode is with Sophie

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Harriet.
Super fun conversation, doing

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some awesome things.
Track star from Wisconsin, she

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went to Arrowhead High School.
Her dad is the track coach

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there.
We kind of kick it off with a

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really fun story about her dad
kicking one of my best friends

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and a previous Rooted Wisconsin
guest off of the Arrowhead track

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team to an end to see who that
was.

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But mainly we talked about
Sophie's story, which is

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fascinating.
She's faced some physical and

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mental challenges throughout her
time as a track athlete and has

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overcome them all.
And we talked about the value of

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persistence and how she overcame
some of those hurdles.

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We talked about her specialty,
which is pole vaulting.

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She's getting into coaching now,
coaching Arrowhead High School

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athletes when she's not
competing herself.

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She has two years of eligibility
left and excited to see what the

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future holds for Sophie.
So really fun conversation.

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Another side of it, and part of
the reason I reached out was

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interested in her story.
She's killing it with NIL.

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She has some great partners.
She's doing an awesome job

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marketing and she's a marketing
major in college, so we talked

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about a lot of that as well.
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another episode.
Enjoy it, Sophie, Harriet.

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So have the ways we try to lift
our neighbors.

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Where did the love go?
Where did the talk end?

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We need to help to make this
better again.

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Yeah.
So I think a cool place to

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start, I mean, it probably where
a lot of stuff starts with you

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is track.
Where does track start for

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Sophie?
Well, my dad is the high school

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track coach at Arrowhead and he
puts together a track camp every

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summer for kids ages.
I think about like 6 to 14 just

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going into high school.
So that's usually like kids like

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first experience to track.
And when I was really little, he

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extended that to like 4 years
old so that I could be there and

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I could participate.
So we have pictures of me like

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running relay races like in my
Crocs.

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And funny enough, I am like the
only kid that ever refused to do

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long jump at that camp because I
didn't want to get all sandy.

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I don't know why but I was
totally against that.

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So I definitely was not all into
track from day one.

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It took me until about like 5th
grade to really get into it and

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I fell in love with hurdles and
like ever since then I've just

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been like all into track.
That's what I was wondering.

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OK.
So you started with hurdles?

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I did OK, yeah.
When I was in like 5th grade, I

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was like dead set.
Like I'm going to be an Olympian

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hurdler.
I went to like junior Olympic

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meets.
I went to high school practices

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and trained with them starting
in 7th grade.

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So I'd be doing like their
workouts with them, their lifts

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with them.
And I just had so much fun doing

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that, making new friends.
And I just really, really wanted

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to be like the best version of
myself and just like always try

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to hit those goals.
So I've really been always been

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dead set in that, yeah.
Nice.

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Yeah, recently I think it was
kind of a fun thing that you did

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with some of your teammates you
did like, was it the 400 relay

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or the.
Oh, the four by one.

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Yeah, that was so much fun.
Uh huh.

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I did.
I did a few 4 by ones in high

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school and four by fours.
But I was gonna say.

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It looked like you had done it
before, like it didn't seem like

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your first time.
That, that makes me so happy to

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hear.
I was like, I was so happy when

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they said we could do that.
I'm like, I got this down.

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Like I've I've done sticks
before.

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Like I know how to put my hand
out so I'm not gonna be waving

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it around.
Like I knew I wasn't gonna be

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the issue on my team.
And it was so much fun to

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practice that and actually get
to compete.

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And in my video I posted, you
could see me next to one of our

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actual 100 sprinters.
And in my mind, I'm like, I

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gotta just stay level with her.
So that was so much fun.

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Good stuff.
Yeah.

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So, yeah, funny story about your
dad.

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Well, kind of.
It involves your dad, isn't it?

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So I know a lot of people.
You went to Arrowhead and I

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texted a couple of my friends
this morning.

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You were coming up on the pod
and asked if anybody knew you

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and they didn't know you.
But one of my buddies in the

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group chat said, well, I don't
know Sophie, but her dad kicked

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me off the track team in front
of everybody.

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Oh my God.
It was great.

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I'm sure he deserved it.
And then he he went into this

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thing where he was like, I think
his primary sport was soccer and

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it was probably something where
he wasn't taking it serious or,

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or something like that.
But I just thought that was.

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Hilarious.
That that's what ended up in the

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group.
Thread.

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Yeah, yeah, uh huh.
Yeah, so I ended up, I ended up

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following some of your dad's
stuff too.

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It looks like he's got a lot of
passions outside.

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Maybe he'll have to be the next
Harriet on the podcast, right?

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Yeah, he does.
He has a lot going on.

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I'm really grateful that he is
my dad because I feel like that

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has shaped a lot of the passions
and like, interests I've had in

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my life.
I mean, he's the reason I got

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into photography, which has also
been super helpful with my

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Instagram and just so much fun.
I mean, I started doing like

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landscape photos with him, like
going to shoot the sunrise in

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Milwaukee or going out to Holy
Hill like he does all the time.

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And it kind of like spread into
like sports photography from

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there and then more into like my
own Instagram.

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So that's a question I have.
What's what's it like having

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your parent be your coach?
I mean through a high level.

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I loved it.
I know some kids don't like it

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as much, but he has never been
like on me to do workouts.

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Like since I was probably like
12, I'd be asking him like, what

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workouts can I do?
And like he'd tell me to stop.

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Like when I was in middle
school, there was like a three

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month period where I'd run like
4-4 hundreds in the morning at

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recess and when I got home again
and he's like, all right, you

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got to dial it.
Down 12 of them a day.

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Yeah, nice.
And like I obviously like I

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didn't keep that up for very
long.

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Like that's not super helpful,
but I just, I really wanted to

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get better.
So I wanted to find like any way

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to do that.
So it's been great, like getting

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to come home to from practice
and like analyze my vaults,

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analyze like what I'm doing for
my Sprint forum, like think

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about what what we're doing in
the weight room and have someone

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that can actually like talk to
me about that and like work

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through those things.
So that's been, that's been so

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much fun to me.
Yeah, I think that's the main

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difference for a lot of people.
Like when when the interest and

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the motivation comes from in
inward, then then it's excellent

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and awesome to have as a
resource.

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And then you know, there's
obviously the flip side too.

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And it, it depends on the
parent, too, of someone that you

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know is trying to live
vicariously through someone else

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or or is pushing too hard or
whatever it may be.

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But yeah, that's, yeah, that the
resource has to be invaluable.

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That's, that's another thing.
I don't know how one of my

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friends knew it.
It might have been the same guy.

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But did you have a pole vault
practice thing in a pole barn?

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At your house.
I did.

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Yes.
OK.

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So I found that out, yeah.
So I think, I would say, I think

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my sophomore year of high
school, so we had like a little

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pole barn in the back of our in
the back of our yard and we had

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chickens on the back half of
that.

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And 1 winter the chickens kicked
over their heater and set the

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whole thing on fire.
Oh man.

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Really yes.
So it ended up being like the

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amount the insurance money would
have taken to replace everything

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in there was about the same as
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barn.
So they decided to build a new

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one even bigger and that same
year Arrowhead was going to

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throw away their old pole vault
pit so we're like oh we'll take

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care of that awesome.
So we put that in there.

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We built a little runway that
went outside.

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So all throughout COVID, I just
had like a pole vault pit in my

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backyard and I'd do like
workouts for like 5 hours

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because like, there's nothing
else to do.

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Yeah, that that was so much fun.
Like I had a friend or two that

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would come vault with me and
that was that was just a really

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great experience and like so
helpful to work on form and that

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kind of stuff.
Thank your lucky stars for that

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chicken.
Oh my God, yeah, right.

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That is so funny.
Yeah, Yeah.

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So when did the transition
happen?

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When did your interest from
hurdles go to pole vault?

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My freshman year of high school,
so I got my varsity letter from

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hurdles freshman year, but I
just had a hip injury that just

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kept nagging.
And it was specifically in

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hurdles.
And my dad's thought with me

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freshman year is that we're
going to throw her in all of the

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hardest events so that she has
the best chance of success, like

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long term.
So he had me do triple jump, he

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had me do the 4x4.
I did pole vault and like 300

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hurdles, 100 hurdles.
So yeah, all, all the best

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events in track, you know, and
if we get to the end of the year

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and we're like looking at like
the all time list for freshmen,

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it's like, all right, like I'm
middle of the pack for hurdles,

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like I'm maybe top 10 for triple
jump, but pole vault, I was

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number 1.
And I don't really know how that

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happened.
Like I didn't have any

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gymnastics background or
anything like that, but it was

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like, all right, I'm clearly
best at this of any other event.

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It's really fun.
So I kind of stuck with it after

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that.
Gotcha.

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So just kind of identified the
skill that you were best at.

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Yeah, went all in.
Yeah, and I think it was really

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a strength thing.
I know freshman year, like, I

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spent a lot of time in the
weight room, and I didn't have a

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lot of female teammates that did
that either.

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Now the girls team at Arrowhead
is doing amazing.

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But that started like the year
after I left.

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Like when I was a senior in high
school, I was the only girl on

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the podium at state indoor or
outdoor.

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And there were a lot of years
where I'd have to be like,

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workout, workout partners with
the boys in the offseason

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because none of the girl
teammates did any of the

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offseason work with me.
Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, they're back-to-back
state champs now, right?

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Yeah, they're they've done
amazing.

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It's been so fun coaching them
as well.

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But yeah.
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So that's one thing.
Maybe it might be a little early

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in conversation that I want to
get to.

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I want to get to coaching too
and how your interests get

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there.
But first, I think before we get

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that the transition to being a
college athlete, then what was

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that like for you that that
story is different for

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everybody?
How did how was it different?

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What was what you expected and
and how did your career continue

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after high school?
Yeah, transition to Madison

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definitely was not super easy.
A lot of college programs do

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really hard conditioning in the
fall, which I don't know how

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much I agree with because I work
really hard all summer, so I'm

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not a kid that needs to get back
in shape per SE when it gets to

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the fall season.
But we did a lot of harder

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workouts at Madison.
We'd run like I think about like

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600 meters around the track, do
something like that, and then do

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like X runs with like squat
jumps.

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So we were being trained with
the decathletes, and I'm not a

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decathlete, so I'm not sure how
beneficial that was specifically

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for pole vault.
But because I had done the 400

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in high school, like 4 by 4,
like, I had a lot of fun with

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it.
Yeah, like I'd be done with the

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workout.
Like, have to go stick my head

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in like a box of ice.
But I'd be like, all right,

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thanks, coach.
This is so much fun.

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I'll see you tomorrow.
Yeah, being a worker, Yeah,

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you're a motivated person.
I mean, kind of that's a thing,

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right?
With an athlete, that's a thing

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when you're a person that works
hard it all.

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It often comes along with
somewhat being a pleaser too.

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And you want to, you want to
impress coach.

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Like that's what we're taught to
do as athletes.

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Like.
OK, I want to show that I'm the

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best at this.
So I get put in the position to

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succeed.
And then I think a lot of

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athletes come to the point where
once it's similar to being a

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transitioning from being a kid
to an adult that you realize you

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have some autonomy and opinions
about what you can do and what

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works and what's the best for
you.

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And then did it take up some,
I'm, I'm sure it took a lot of

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reflection and work to let that
finally come out, right.

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Your thoughts about that?
I'm someone where I love to feel

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like I'm working hard.
So those kind of workouts, like

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they felt great, but I wasn't
progressing in like actual pole

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vaulting.
Yep.

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So I had definitely had many
conversations with my coach, but

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he very much did not appreciate
that.

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Gotcha.
He would tell me that I had no

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say like I hadn't really
accomplished anything yet.

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So I should 100% just listen to
him and like not ask any

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questions, which I I didn't
really agree with.

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My coaches at Marquette are way
better about like, hey, this.

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I will explain to you why we're
doing.

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And it's like what the method is
behind this.

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So I've loved that.
That was great for me.

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But it definitely took some time
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And I think eventually my coach
realized that I wasn't like

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questioning his like, expertise
or skill.

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I just genuinely wanted to know
more about pole vault, more

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about like, OK, why are we doing
the training that we're doing?

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This is very different from what
I've done in high school.

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Like, what's your thought behind
that?

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So it definitely like took a
hump to get over that.

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But it was a little bit more
smooth sailing after that.

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OK, good.
Probably another time.

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Invaluable having your dad too,
right?

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There was probably a lot of
conversations at that that

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point.
Yeah, I don't know if anyone

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knows this, but my freshman year
at Madison, I'd go home like

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almost every single week and
then vaulted Arrowhead with my

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dad.
Yeah, I was.

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I always believe that I'm
responsible for my own success.

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So whatever program I'm at, if I
don't feel like I'm progressing

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at the rate I should be, then
that's up to me to figure out

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what it takes to get back to
that level that I should be

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performing at.
So I'd come home to Arrowhead

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and I definitely missed a lot,
like socially and like with time

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with my roommates and stuff,
because I'd go home.

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But I was very determined to be
the best that I could be.

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So that was not a problem for
me.

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Yeah.
Well, and that's it's kind of

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double or triple ways that are
good for you, right, Because

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you're progressing in what you
want to do.

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Also, you're getting out of a
place where maybe you're not

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feeling as comfortable as you
could and kind of at the same

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time you're back in place of
comfort and and growth.

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That's awesome.
That's another piece of being a

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college athlete though.
What you bring up there like

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that I think goes understated a
lot is the dedication and time

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and sacrifices that you make
compared to that.

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You know someone going to
college solely for the education

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and then outside of that they
have time to do that, those

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social things.
What's that been like navigating

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for you?
Yeah, I feel like I haven't

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exactly taken like the typical,
like college path, like I will

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only go out like a few times a
year.

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It's just, I don't know, I I
really like socializing with my

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team mates and my friends, but I
work so hard to get better.

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I don't want to do anything
that's going to detract from

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that.
Or for example, at Madison,

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maybe maybe I'd go home on
Saturday at a vault, but then

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Sunday morning I would work with
our lifting instructor there and

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I'd come in and do extra work
while the throwers were lifting.

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So I I just, I always had
something else to do, always

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extra time.
I wanted to be putting in like I

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would tell my coach, like tell
me like literally anything I

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could be doing to get better.
And I will do everything, yeah.

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Yeah.
And that's what builds success,

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I think, is that mentality.
And of course, I mean, balance

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is important in all kinds of
life, but people that reach the

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highest echelons of doing things
are often a little bit obsessed

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with what they do.
Yeah.

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Yeah, I think if you're going to
be a college athlete, you really

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have to love it.
I mean, if I didn't love track,

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I definitely would have quit
after things went S at Madison.

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There's definitely been so many
times where it's been iffy,

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like, am I progressing?
Like, is it worth it?

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Am I, am I getting better?
But every time things have

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gotten difficult, I think that
has just pushed me to like dive

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deeper.
And so it crossed your mind, I

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mean, I'm sure it does in that
scenario, crossed your mind of

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just leaving it behind and
moving on to what was next in

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life.
It did when I got sick.

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I'm not sure if you heard about
that, but I was hospitalized for

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septic shock for four days my
fall of my sophomore year of

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college.
Septic shock, That's super

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dangerous too.
Yes, I had a staph infection

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that looked like little pimples
on my legs.

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And I remember, I think this was
like around the first week of

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October and Monday I went into
my trainers and I'm like, hey

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guys, this doesn't look right.
Like something's wrong.

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And they're like, oh, it's not a
big deal.

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They, I think they put like
Sharpie marks around it to like

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see if it got worse or anything.
And like, I came in every day

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for a week.
I'm like, this isn't right, This

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isn't right.
And like finally on that Friday,

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they gave me like 1 Benadryl.
And then the next morning I had

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to be like taken to the ER
'cause I was like throwing up

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blood.
And it was, yeah.

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So that was, that was, that was
pretty scary.

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That escalated pretty fast.
It was a game day that Saturday,

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so the EMTs were for some
reason, like convinced that I

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was like drinking and just
hungover so they didn't want to

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take me.
And then I started throwing up

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blood and they're like, all
right, we got to get this girl

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in.
But yeah, I was in the hospital

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for like 4 days.
I think they put me on like

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norepinephrine because my heart
wasn't beating like at like a

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livable rate.
They gave me like every test to

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man.
So that was definitely

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difficult.
But then right after that I got

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mono.
So just like double punch to the

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gut right there.
And then it was really hard to

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get back into track.
Like they told me I wasn't

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allowed to lift, wasn't allowed
to do anything that could cause

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like an injury to like my
spleen, which was like inflamed

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because of mono.
So that was definitely like a

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point where I'm like, all right,
like am I still going to be able

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to do this or not?
Like how functional am I going

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to be?
How long is it going to take me

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to get back to normal that all
that kind of stuff.

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Yeah.
So that was the point where some

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question came in.
Yeah, I mean, even my dad was

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like questioning.
He's like, like, yeah, maybe you

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spend the next few months, like
trying to see where you can get

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back to it.
And if you're jumping, well,

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then we keep going.
But if not, then, then maybe

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it's time, you know?
And I feel like, I feel like I

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always knew I didn't want to be
done, like, even when I was,

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like, in the hospital bed, like,
feeling like, OK, I feel like

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I'm actually dying right now.
Like, my first thought is, OK,

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when can I get back to track?
Yeah.

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Like when can I be back?
Yeah, back to that obsession.

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So do you remember?
Do you remember the first jump

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back after?
Yeah, after that.

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Oh, that's a good question.
I remember the first workout

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back after that, I remember my
teammates were doing a pretty

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difficult workout and my coach
told me I could do like a couple

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ramp sprints and I think I did
like 10.

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And I'm like, can I do more?
And he's like, you need to slow

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down.
It's like you need to stop.

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And another thing with Madison
is they have you do like a

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straight pole vault.
Like I'm sure you've seen like

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pole vault videos before, like
the pole bends a lot at Madison.

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They have you hold a lot lower.
So it's like stiff kind of like

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old school vault.
And for me that was very

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difficult.
And for a lot of kids like that

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is a very difficult like
challenge and try to figure out

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how to do that because it's
basically a drill.

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So we would do that for like
months before the season

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started.
And I also didn't super agree

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with that and like
effectiveness.

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But when I got back to jump,
that was that was all I was

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doing basically.
So it's just kind of a drill.

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And then I probably, I don't
think I actually got back to

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like real vaulting until like
April.

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OK.
And that had to be a whole

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different kind of work, right?
Kind of like restarting

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probably.
Yeah, the biggest thing I had to

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work with was my confidence.
Yeah.

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Like that just was completely
shot.

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I don't know if you saw this
either, but so I had mono and

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then my first like full day back
I think was like the first or

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second week of February.
So I had like 1 real jump day

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for the first time all season.
And then my coach brought me and

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like a majority of all the other
vaulters into his office and he

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said I'm cutting all of you, I'm
too stretched.

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Then I was like, oh, all right,
really?

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Yeah, and like, I personally, I
wasn't going to argue with that.

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If he says he doesn't want to
coach me, that's fine.

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I know a lot of other a lot of
other coaches that I've been

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successful with.
And I also, I vaulted 12 feet in

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high school and 11 both years in
Madison, so.

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I knew it wasn't.
Yes, a full foot, really.

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And I knew it wasn't the right
fit.

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I didn't fully agree with some
of the training plans and I know

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that coach has a lot of good
experience with a lot of

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athletes, but it just wasn't the
right fit for me.

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Yeah, So I wasn't too upset over
that.

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I know at the time I definitely
thought like I was the issue,

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but looking back at it, I mean I
jumped 12/8 at Marquette so 20

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inches higher in one year.
Like I feel like that speaks for

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itself honestly.
Absolutely, yeah.

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And you have some big plans for
next year.

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I do.
I'm really excited.

449
00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,880
Yeah, that's awesome.
One more year of eligibility

450
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,240
left or do you have a COVID
year?

451
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,080
Nice.
Not a COVID year but I think

452
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,840
it's I guess either red shirt or
like medical red shirt from

453
00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,160
like.
Oh, you had a medical red shirt?

454
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,840
OK, cool.
Nice.

455
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,080
You have two years left.
Yeah, I'm super excited about

456
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,840
that.
I feel like I my freshman year

457
00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,600
at Madison, I have stress
fracture.

458
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,960
And then obviously sophomore
year I was pretty sick.

459
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,600
So I feel like this last year,
it took me until February to get

460
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,720
back to where I was in high
school.

461
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,360
There was like a meet at UW
Milwaukee where I finally

462
00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,520
cleared 12 again.
And I, I like, almost cried.

463
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,320
I was like so happy to finally
like be back in that place.

464
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,720
And then it was just so much
fun, like building up my

465
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,680
confidence this last season and
like, and actually speed I, my

466
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,800
form did not improve a whole
lot, but I got a lot faster and

467
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,320
stronger at Marquette and that
really showed with my heights.

468
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,440
So this summer I've been really
focusing on breaking down more

469
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:21,080
of like the technical aspects.
So I'm really excited to clear

470
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,240
some higher bars this summer and
going into the next season.

471
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,360
Nice, I'm going to move around
so these lights come back on and

472
00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:27,200
I have my next.
Question.

473
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:31,880
All right.
OK.

474
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,600
So do you think like do you
think that foot was a lot of

475
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,120
that mental or, or was it a, you
know, 5050 mental, physical or

476
00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:43,000
was it more physical?
Why do you think that foot

477
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,800
happened?
Well it's a lot of like

478
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,360
technical pole ball things.
So when I was in high school I

479
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:53,640
was on a pole that was 13 feet
long and weight rated at 145

480
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,800
lbs.
And in college my coach had me

481
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,840
on a 13 foot pole but holding
like 2 feet down on it so it

482
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:02,680
would act as like a straight
pole.

483
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,200
So it like would have been like
near impossible to jump the same

484
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,680
height doing that.
I'm not really sure why he

485
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:13,200
thought that was the best
strategy, but it was just he

486
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,360
wanted me to do different things
with my forum and basically had

487
00:22:16,360 --> 00:22:18,760
me like competing like on like a
drill.

488
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,360
OK, so it was technical?
More than it was definitely

489
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:26,120
technical, but he also he wanted
me to get my step further away

490
00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:27,600
from the pit.
So he wanted me to like jump

491
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,240
further away from the pit, which
I definitely needed to do.

492
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,760
But since he had dropped my
grip, I was taking off where I

493
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,720
need to be.
And I think he was so like

494
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,600
overwhelmed with all of his
other athletes.

495
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,720
He didn't realize that.
So I was having a lot of like

496
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,600
sketchy practices where I was
landing back on the runway like

497
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720
every single day.
Like that was like a common

498
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,160
occurrence for.
Someone who had been pole

499
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,960
vaulting for years and years.
That's wild.

500
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,200
Yeah, I think I'm at just about,
like, a decade of pole vaulting

501
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:51,560
now.
Yeah.

502
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,960
And like, I'd go to practice and
I'd just know, like, I'm

503
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,760
standing on the runway.
I'm like, I'm gonna land back on

504
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,800
the runway.
I'm gonna jump up here and I'm

505
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,080
gonna turn back around and,
like, have to, like, roll out of

506
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,720
this and, like, hurt my ankle or
something.

507
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,760
And like, that is really hard
to, like, trust yourself after

508
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,000
that.
So I did a lot of work with a

509
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,840
coach in MAD Pete Dvorak at
Madison Pole Vault Club, and it

510
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,760
took so much time to like, build
back that confidence.

511
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,360
We started on like a really
short approach and just slowly,

512
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:19,080
slowly moved that back.
And he said like, I look like a

513
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,120
completely different athlete
than like the first day he saw

514
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,920
me.
So I'm really glad to hear that.

515
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,400
But that's been a great
experience for me.

516
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,440
Nice.
OK.

517
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,280
So I want to talk about
marketing a little bit today

518
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,840
too.
Yeah, you're a marketing major.

519
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,000
You've got it.
Looks like you've got some

520
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,080
killer NIL deals.
Let's start with NIL because I

521
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,680
think that's such an interesting
space.

522
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,920
I had the opportunity to have
Stephanie Grady on a while back

523
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,760
and she talked about NIL.
I think it's awesome that

524
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,520
college athletes are finally
able to earn money like that.

525
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,440
Seemed like it should happen for
so long.

526
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:54,920
How has navigating that process
worked for you as far as like

527
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,240
setting up the deals, like
figuring out growing your social

528
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,720
following, which is killer like
and making content like what?

529
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:07,080
What led you in that direction?
Was it nil or was your interest

530
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,960
there and you use that as a
tool?

531
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,840
How that all come about?
Thinking about that, I think I'd

532
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,440
like to start talking about
content.

533
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,280
So as you know, I do a lot of
photography and like

534
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,720
videography, So it was very
natural for me to want to do

535
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,720
that on my Instagram.
Like even before I had

536
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,920
followers, like even in high
school, like I knew pretty early

537
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,800
on, like I didn't want to be
posting like dumb little selfies

538
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,080
and like I want to make this
almost like a scrapbook of my

539
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,120
personal life.
Like I want this done well.

540
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:32,840
I want these to look like
professional.

541
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,680
So I think that really helped by
the time I got to Madison and I

542
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,560
supposed like my media day
pictures and sophomore year of

543
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,920
college, my media day pictures
went viral at account.

544
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,120
I had an account called College
Weekly repost one of my pictures

545
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,960
and it got like 70,000 likes.
So when I was in the hospital

546
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,160
bed, actually, I was like
looking at my Instagram and I

547
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,520
was like, why do I have 8000
followers?

548
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,680
Like what happened here?
And I just saw like a bunch of

549
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,000
counts started like reposting,
you know, I was like, Oh, this

550
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,440
is cool.
So I kind of like got thrown

551
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,080
into that a little bit.
But because I had already like

552
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,960
had that base of like posting
like consistent quality content.

553
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,360
People were seeing that picture
and then looking at my page and

554
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:10,760
we're like, Oh, I want to follow
this girl.

555
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Like she posts like good things
about track and like that kind

556
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080
of stuff and travel.
And so that that was fun.

557
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,760
After that, I think I had, I've
definitely had more brands reach

558
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,560
out to me than I've reached out
to.

559
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,240
I haven't had much success with
that.

560
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,040
Obviously, like, you know, in
marketing, like brands aren't,

561
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,160
they don't do anything random.
Like they have like planned

562
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,680
campaigns that they're working
on.

563
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,680
And I feel like that's why it's
more successful.

564
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,160
If they're going to reach out to
me, like they're seeing my page,

565
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,200
they're like, you fit with our
brand, like I want to work with

566
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,680
you.
Yeah.

567
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,600
So that just kind of like slowly
built over time.

568
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,400
We have, we had people at
Madison that would work with us

569
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:46,680
on NIL.
OK.

570
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,080
So that was kind of helpful.
But even then, I was kind of

571
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,880
doing a lot of that on my own.
Funny enough, the day I got cut,

572
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,560
I had to give a presentation at
Madison to a bunch of the

573
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,520
athletes about NIL.
Really like that night.

574
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,640
Yep.
I had to present and I was like,

575
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,720
oh man, I got to get it
together.

576
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,920
Awkward.
Yeah, yeah.

577
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,120
But it was fun.
It was a good experience.

578
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,200
Like I'm glad I, like made
myself go do that, even though

579
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,640
that was obviously a rough day.
Yep.

580
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,120
Yeah.
So that was fun.

581
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,000
I've had a few NIL agents.
I actually had a big issue with

582
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,160
one this winter where they
changed the terms of the

583
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,520
contract after I signed it.
So I was only working with them

584
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,760
for like a month and I had said
they or sorry, let me restart.

585
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,880
They wanted 20% of any deal I
made, regardless of if they were

586
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,760
a part of it or not.
And I was like, I kind of

587
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,320
disagree with that.
Like if I'm putting in the work,

588
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,320
reaching out to brands, I feel
like you shouldn't get a cut of

589
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,000
that.
Was it a management agency or

590
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:39,800
some?
Yes.

591
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:40,800
Management agency.
Got it.

592
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,960
Yeah, OK.
So they alter the contract.

593
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,240
They're like, all right, we're
OK with that.

594
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,600
And they actually never got me
any paid deals in like, the

595
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,560
month I worked with them.
And I got a text.

596
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,440
So I was like, oh, can you just
let us know, like, what deals

597
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,760
you're getting?
So like, we can get our cut of

598
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,600
that.
And I'm like, what are you

599
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,240
talking about?
Like that's not in our contract.

600
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,200
And she like, sent me like the
paperwork.

601
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,240
And she's like, oh, yeah, it's
right here.

602
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,360
And I'm like, this is 100% not
what I signed.

603
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,680
So I had to, like, work with a
lawyer through Marquette to try

604
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:12,280
to get that like, fixed.
And apparently they weren't, I

605
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,160
don't know how to say like
signed up to like represent like

606
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,480
student athletes like in the
state of Wisconsin.

607
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,560
So it was like nullified anyway.
But that was definitely like a

608
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,160
very stressful period of.
Time.

609
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,640
How predatory.
Yeah.

610
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,440
And I'm like, at the time I'm
like, I'm 20 years old.

611
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:26,360
Like, I don't know what I'm
doing.

612
00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,600
Like you're fully like taking
advantage of athletes.

613
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,920
Like that's just not a great
thing to do.

614
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Yeah.
I wonder, you know, I think

615
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,960
about how much of that is in
that space.

616
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760
Anytime, anytime something new
or fledgling happens where

617
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,840
there's money to be made,
there's people scrambling,

618
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,680
trying to figure out how to get
their cut of that money.

619
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,000
At least you recognize it up
front.

620
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,320
What?
Man, that would've been crazy if

621
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,720
it, you know, worked with them.
And maybe got a couple like good

622
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,360
partnerships via the
relationship or something, but

623
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,200
it sounds like they probably
weren't even working on the

624
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,720
other end, they were just trying
to get your.

625
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Well, I think she, I think she
was working, but I don't think

626
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,600
they had any like actual brand
connections.

627
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,480
So I'm actually working on
signing with a new company now.

628
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Do they like actually have
relationships with a lot of like

629
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,200
athletic brands?
So I think that's a lot better.

630
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,160
I think this last agency was
just trying to like, point

631
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,080
blank, like pitch me to brands
that they had like no formal

632
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:19,840
relationship with.
And that goes back to like, the

633
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,600
brands aren't gonna just take up
something random.

634
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Like everything is strategic
with social media.

635
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
So obviously that wasn't super
successful.

636
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,120
Like, I think at best I got like
a couple like, free products

637
00:28:28,120 --> 00:28:31,000
here and there, but that's not
exactly what you want.

638
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,280
Like actually like building a
brand.

639
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,400
Yeah, Yeah, not at all.
Yeah.

640
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,680
And you're right.
And I think even even when it is

641
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,120
a good match, it's still so much
harder to convince somebody that

642
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,920
you're a good match, then them
come to you and say, OK, this is

643
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,040
the perfect fit.
Because I mean, they're they're

644
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,040
corporate.
They have people that breathing

645
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,520
down their neck about their
budget and you got to it takes

646
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840
more convincing, you know, so
that's good.

647
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:59,360
So then does where did your
interest in marketing come?

648
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,040
Was it like, is it from this or
were you interested in marketing

649
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,360
prior?
I was definitely interested in

650
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,040
marketing prior.
That kind of comes from like the

651
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,640
social media.
And I think my current thought

652
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,520
is I want to do something with
sports marketing.

653
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,560
I feel like I'm like kind of in
that space now.

654
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,120
So I think I'll like girl like
with experience in that

655
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,200
industry.
But I mean, even in high school

656
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,960
I was thinking I want to do
something with marketing.

657
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,520
I wanted to do something
creative.

658
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,880
I do, I do photography.
I do like painting in my free

659
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,320
time.
Like, I just, I love art and

660
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,080
like, all aspects of that.
Yeah.

661
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560
And my mom, my mom told me that
I wasn't gonna make any money as

662
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,640
an artist.
So I'm like, all right.

663
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,800
Like, how can I, how can I bring
this into the business world?

664
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,480
Yeah.
Nice.

665
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,920
So you went that road instead of
going the route that so I'm

666
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920
going like prove you wrong, move
out and be a starving artist and

667
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,200
try to make it.
Yeah, yeah, well, my other

668
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,720
thought is like, I can do that
on the side too.

669
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,440
And I also didn't want to turn
something I really loved into

670
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,160
like a pain.
Like I didn't want to go into

671
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,440
photography and then have just,
I have one of my passions that I

672
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480
love turn into just a task and a
job.

673
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,280
So I think I thought it would be
best to separate that and I

674
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,000
still kind of feel like that's
probably the way to go.

675
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,880
Yeah, for sure.
Are you enjoying making the

676
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,040
deals like you talked about the
contract issue earlier, do you

677
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,280
enjoy that piece of it and cost
per mill and all that stuff you

678
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,520
have to do and.
Not as much.

679
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,880
I actually, so I have a longer
term partnership with C4 and I'm

680
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,040
really enjoying that because of
the freedom I have.

681
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,040
So I just got to make a video
about coaching one of my high

682
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,840
school athletes at the Nike
national meet.

683
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520
And like that was so much fun to
like make videos about that or

684
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,480
going hiking or workout videos.
But the freedom I have that's

685
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,120
that's so much more fun that I
can actually like put together a

686
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480
quality video.
Where they're not coaching your

687
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,200
content.
Yes, yes, I I'd end like a deal

688
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,440
I had with a brand pretty
recently.

689
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,680
I, I sent them my video based on
like what they had asked and

690
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520
they just kept asking me to
reshoot it again and again to

691
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,360
make it more scripted and more
like an ad.

692
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,120
And I knew it wasn't going to
perform well and I felt like it

693
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,840
wasn't going to be a good look
for my brand overall and might

694
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
be counterproductive and getting
deals in the future.

695
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,520
So I just had to be like, all
right, this just this doesn't

696
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,080
align with my content or with my
personal brand and I had to shut

697
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
that one down, which which
sucks, but I'm really glad that

698
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,720
I'm able to like see that and
make that call.

699
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,600
There's some people that still
don't get it.

700
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,920
There's some people that still
don't get what's working on

701
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400
social, you know, and what's
working on social as being you.

702
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,640
That's why I was OK 5 minutes
ago getting up and walking

703
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,000
around and turning these lights
on because it's what works.

704
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Like it's really what happens.
Yeah.

705
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,360
And some people still don't get
that.

706
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,440
And they're.
I I think some of that stems

707
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280
from back to like people that
worked in the traditional media

708
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,960
days when everybody sat stop
straight and the cameras had to

709
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,400
be perfect and the line had to
be perfect or you redelivered

710
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,280
and all that.
And I think that like the the

711
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,600
average consumer sees through
that right now is, is it like,

712
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,920
is it something where did you
have to leave some of their

713
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,360
content on your Instagram, like
the partner, even though the

714
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120
partnership's done, is some of
the content with them still on

715
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,240
there?
Yeah, we did.

716
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,880
It was like a two-part thing.
So like the first video I still

717
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,080
have up there somewhere, just
deep in my feet, but I was like

718
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080
thinking about the second one
and I'm just like, I just can't

719
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,720
do this.
Like I'm not, I'm not proud to

720
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,440
put my name on this.
And that's like the biggest

721
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,640
thing, like anything I'm
posting.

722
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,040
Like I want to be like happy
about it.

723
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,640
Yeah, I'm excited.
Like, oh, I just made this

724
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:07,880
video.
This is something new for me.

725
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920
I tried something different or
just I feel like this is quality

726
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,440
content and I just, I didn't
feel like it was that.

727
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,520
Yeah, nice thing about it is
that's a little, we just dangled

728
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,960
a little carrot out there for
people to scroll through your

729
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Instagram and that'll definitely
help the algorithm.

730
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,840
Yeah, try to find which one it
is.

731
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,240
Yeah, yeah.
I ask because I don't, I don't

732
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,680
particularly like the deal side
of it either.

733
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,680
I like building the
relationships with partners, but

734
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,880
then always when it comes to the
point of like drawing up the

735
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,600
contract, I'm like AI just make
this fast and easy for me

736
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,600
because this is not what I
enjoy.

737
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Like the legalese language and
stuff and I'll.

738
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,640
Make AI read my contracts.
Yeah, it does like a pretty good

739
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,080
job.
It's like, all right, read this

740
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,040
for me like as like an
influencer, like what is what's

741
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,080
going to cause me problems here
And like it, it catches like 90%

742
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,960
of the things.
So Yep, that's been really

743
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,920
helpful for me. 100% I do, I do
the first drafts of mine with

744
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,040
AII have AI write it and it's
probably how your partnerships

745
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,680
work are probably, I would guess
flipped from mine because a lot

746
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,000
of times they're probably
providing the contract to you

747
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,880
and you have to go through it.
I'm generally with my

748
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
partnerships writing the
contract.

749
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,600
So I'm like, I'm not going to
toil away.

750
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,240
I'm not a lawyer, you know, I'm
not going to toil away here for

751
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,040
five hours.
And I'm hoping like by the time

752
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,320
we get to that point with my
partners, hopefully they just

753
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600
see that I'm, I'm more of a
handshake deal type person than

754
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,320
anything.
Like if it doesn't work out,

755
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,800
whatever.
It's not like we're dealing with

756
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,240
$1,000,000 here.
So it's going to be fine.

757
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,080
But.
But yeah, so you like the

758
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,360
creative side of marketing.
That's so one of the best things

759
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,320
about marketing is that you can
do so many different things.

760
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,120
You can go in a million
different directions.

761
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,560
Do you think you'll stay in the
the social space or?

762
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,600
I think I will as long as I can.
I'm not planning on being done

763
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,480
with track as soon as my
eligibility is up.

764
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,080
Like I would like to see how far
I can take this.

765
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,640
And yeah, in whatever way I can.
I mean, with pull ups

766
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,360
specifically, there are
offseason meets just like

767
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,560
throughout the year.
So like I could compete on

768
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,480
attached like at a meet at like
any D3 university in the state

769
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:11,400
pretty much.
OK.

770
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,480
You just so recently I saw it on
your Instagram, right?

771
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:14,800
You did one of those recently,
right?

772
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,360
I did, yeah.
Indoor season.

773
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,480
I I was not super happy about
how my indoor season ended at

774
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,880
Marquette.
I was like I know I can do

775
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,920
better than this so I asked to
do one more meet at Ripon and I

776
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,480
got APR so it worked out.
Nice, nice.

777
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,920
And that, well, that can keep
the, that can keep your social

778
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,920
content rolling really well,
too, that you don't have to

779
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,920
pivot to something else that
interests you.

780
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,480
Yeah, there's a dude actually in
Wisconsin that's killing it with

781
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,960
that.
He played D3 football.

782
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,239
He's friends with the guy I had
on the podcast recently, Richie

783
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,360
something, and he's he's kind of
doing that like his eligibility

784
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,280
for college is done, but now
he's pivoted and he's like

785
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,080
playing arena and stuff like
that.

786
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,760
And I you know, it's good for
the content side of your

787
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,800
business too, because then you
can keep it going.

788
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:06,000
What like what I'm kind of AII
don't know much about like,

789
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,440
well, track and field in
general, I don't know what to

790
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,560
talk about.
But pole vaulting specifically,

791
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,680
like what do Olympic pole
vaulters get?

792
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,160
Like female Olympic pole
vaulters?

793
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Like what is that height?
That's got to be like 16 feet.

794
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,400
16.
I think to be like a legitimate,

795
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,600
like professional athlete, I
would have to be jumping around

796
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:24,800
15 feet.
OK.

797
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,240
But if I want to, if I want to
spend the time in my 20s to keep

798
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,640
doing this, then I can.
I can, like I said, like there

799
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,120
are so many opportunities for
that.

800
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,040
So let's say I finished college
at 14 feet, but I spend the next

801
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,760
two years and I get up to 14-6
and just slowly chip away at

802
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,800
that.
I've been going to the WIST cut

803
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,160
track and field clinic with my
dad since I was in 7th grade.

804
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,560
And there is one coach there,
Harry Mara.

805
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,240
He coached Ashton Eaton, if you
know who that is.

806
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,000
He's like a Olympic champion in
the decathlon.

807
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,600
And he was talking about how a
lot of the Olympians are, like

808
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,080
26 to 28, and there are so many
kids out there that could be

809
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,840
that caliber, but they just
don't want to take the time,

810
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
like, to be doing track for,
like, that long, like that late

811
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
in their life.
So that's kind of something that

812
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,920
I think I heard that when I was
in like, 7th or 8th grade.

813
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,200
And it kind of always stuck with
me.

814
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,840
Like, I want to be here for the
long run.

815
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Like, I want to see what I'm
capable of doing.

816
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,640
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

817
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,200
And I, well, there's probably a
couple angles to that, right?

818
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000
One, burnout happens in a lot of
different ways.

819
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,920
So when you find yourself in
well, in a scenario you're not

820
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,360
enjoying or like if life
presents other opportunities

821
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,280
that are more appealing at the
time.

822
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,080
But also I think there can be an
issue of resources too, that I

823
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,680
know that happens with Olympic,
Olympic athletes all the time.

824
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,120
That's another group of people
that I think should probably be

825
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,880
make more money than they do,
which is crazy.

826
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,720
Like once every what?
Well, in their respective

827
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,560
seasons, once every four years,
you get to go and compete, but

828
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,400
then in between you're just like
hammering away work, barely

829
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,560
getting paid.
And for a chance, for a chance,

830
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,520
I think we could probably as a
nation do a little bit better

831
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:11,800
job with that of providing a
space for people to succeed.

832
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Yeah.
Resource wise.

833
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:16,680
And like, thinking about it,
that I feel like it just has to

834
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,080
be with social media.
I mean, like if I was doing

835
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,160
well, like in like the
influencer space and continuing

836
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,720
work with partnerships like that
is equivalent to being like a

837
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,320
professional athlete, like with
a deal, you know, like, because

838
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,520
they're not paying you all that
much.

839
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,280
Like if you are like that high
caliber.

840
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,800
But if I have like that social
angle, like I could just

841
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,960
continue doing what I love at
whatever level I end up being

842
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,240
at.
Absolutely, Yeah.

843
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,040
And I think you're spot on,
Daniel.

844
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,400
You want to you want to do the
stand up and walk around this

845
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,040
time.
Thank you.

846
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,400
Thanks, producer.
Dan, appreciate you the there's

847
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,480
a another Wisconsin track star
that I think is doing that

848
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,400
pretty well.
I think he's from northern

849
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:59,280
Wisconsin.
Kenny Bednarek, like his social

850
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,760
is pretty, his following is
pretty big and I'm sure that

851
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:05,720
helps, you know, and given he's
reaching the highest echelons of

852
00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:09,120
his sport, but I'm sure there's
a transition period where even

853
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,360
him was like, you know, how,
where does money come from this

854
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,400
and, and social being the place?
I think that's pretty poor

855
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,680
thing.
You're thinking like a marketer.

856
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,480
That's something I tell my
students all the time, like, you

857
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,840
know, teaching's a wild thing.
And I, I understand wholly that

858
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,240
you don't leave a class.
Like when I think back to

859
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,600
getting my marketing degree, I
don't remember what I learned in

860
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,520
classes.
I remember these like overall

861
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,560
themes.
So I almost tell my students

862
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,920
like, I I just want you to think
like a marketer when you leave

863
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,080
here.
And if you do, then

864
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,840
opportunities will present
themselves.

865
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,720
You're going to do just fine.
But like identifying where that

866
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,560
could happen for you is good.
And that's probably, you know,

867
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,920
there's alignment with that of
succeeding in your at whatever

868
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,760
you put your mind to.
Because just talking to you a

869
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,080
little bit, I can tell you're
very driven, motivated person.

870
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,720
And a lot of times, that,
combined with seeing where you

871
00:38:58,720 --> 00:39:04,360
can open up a door for yourself,
is what leads to proverbial

872
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680
success.
Whatever that looks like to you,

873
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,480
it's fun to think about.
Yeah, yeah.

874
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,320
I never really expected to be in
like the social media landscape.

875
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,600
So it's been interesting to see
like what doors has have opened

876
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,080
up for me while I've been in
college.

877
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:19,600
Yeah.
I mean, like freshman year of

878
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,160
college I was thinking like, OK,
I want to try to get an

879
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,120
internship and like that was
that was really hard to try to

880
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,000
figure out.
And now I'm in the space where

881
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
I'm like, I don't, I'm like, I
don't really need a summer job.

882
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,680
But at the same point I'm like,
OK, I'm actually putting out

883
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,960
content every week, like filming
things like editing like this,

884
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,560
this actually is my summer job
now.

885
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,960
Like this is going to be my job,
like throughout the whole school

886
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,480
year.
So it's been, it's been really

887
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,440
cool to see like how this path
has like taken me just past

888
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,080
where I ever thought I would be.
Well, it's also your internship

889
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:49,200
too.
I mean, you're a marketing

890
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,920
major.
You're doing it.

891
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,320
That's really cool.
Yeah.

892
00:39:55,600 --> 00:40:03,840
What how how has it paired with
the athlete, the athletic side

893
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,000
of things?
Do you find it to ever be

894
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,280
distracting?
Do you find it helpful?

895
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:15,040
Do you find it just fun?
Like how does it pair because?

896
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Being so focused on getting
really, really good at one thing

897
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,880
and now it's like, I can tell
your interest is in this space

898
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,840
too.
So growing interest in another

899
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,400
space.
How would you, How did it?

900
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,600
How is it paired with being a
college athlete?

901
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,960
I would definitely say there's
two sides to that.

902
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,440
One, I'm very grateful that my
dad has been able to take videos

903
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,640
of me competing at my meats so I
don't have to mess with that

904
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
while I'm competing.
So that is really fun.

905
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,400
Like I love looking back at my
videos and like stitching that

906
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,480
together.
I don't love having to film when

907
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,240
I'm doing a workout.
I would almost rather just take

908
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,360
a Sunday and go through a couple
different things and film it

909
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,600
then.
It's not as fun to be at

910
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,920
Arrowhead on the field when
there's other kids doing stuff

911
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,640
and I'm over here with my
tripod.

912
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,280
OK, I'm gonna do a couple spots
and the video and do something

913
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,760
else.
I, I really want to get into my

914
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960
own like headspace.
Like I, I am driven, like I have

915
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,000
goals.
I am here not to just like check

916
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,080
the box if I did the workout
today, but like I want to do

917
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,400
this to my fullest potential.
So it definitely can get a

918
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,480
little annoying to be like, oh,
I got to film a video while I'm

919
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,800
doing this, But I definitely I'm
able to have more fun with that.

920
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,640
I think the longer I've done
this.

921
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,920
So I think I'm getting more into
that space of like I can create

922
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,600
really cool things now.
And I think I just need to

923
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,720
separate the times where I'm
like hard working out and then

924
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:33,800
like creating content because
those are those are just such

925
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,880
different like mind spaces.
Absolutely, yeah.

926
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,440
And and that's kind of where my
mind was thinking about it.

927
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,920
Like when if you're, you know,
working towards anything, trying

928
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,880
to be at a high level, like
you're in getting shit done

929
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,280
mode, like I'm when I'm working,
I'm working out, you know, and

930
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:54,520
that to be in the creative mind
space is completely different.

931
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,360
Like, oh, am I getting the right
angle?

932
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Like even though it's still.
We talked about how important

933
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,720
authenticity is, of course that
is.

934
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:04,480
But at the same time, it still
needs to look good and like, am

935
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,600
I getting the right angle?
Am I in the right spot?

936
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,200
Like, did I remember my sponsor
stuff, all of those things?

937
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,320
Do I know what to say?
Do I have to say something?

938
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,840
Yep, Yep.
So yeah, I wondered how that

939
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,280
came into play and I don't, I
know I would have a difficult

940
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,520
time with that.
We've talked about that on the

941
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,280
podcast because some days, like
producer Dan can't always come.

942
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:30,240
So if I have to set up the whole
space and I'm thinking in that,

943
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,160
I've had a couple episodes where
I've had trouble navigating back

944
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,120
to the conversation and
remembering like what I wanted

945
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,000
to talk about that day because
you could tell we're not too

946
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,080
scripted around here.
So like I I just kind of have

947
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,000
these your mind worms of things
I want to talk about.

948
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,520
And then if I was on like, oh,
did I?

949
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:52,080
Did I focus the camera we talked
about earlier is is light up?

950
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,600
So it's just two completely
separate things.

951
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Yes.
That you guys bring together.

952
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,840
One thing I will say with that
is I do a large majority of my

953
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,680
work in post production.
So like most of the time, like I

954
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,920
could just set up a camera and
start doing my workout and just

955
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,160
make sure like I'm going to be
in the frame for part of it.

956
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,080
And then I take it home and take
this like 10 minute clip and

957
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,880
like cut it up into little
smaller pieces.

958
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,760
Like, that definitely works more
for me to try to keep those

959
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,760
separate and not just be like,
on my phone all of the time.

960
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,320
Yeah, yeah.
So that's one thing I was gonna

961
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,720
ask, and I think that's a hurdle
for a, well, less people now

962
00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:29,240
that things like there's a lot
of tools that are helping people

963
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,360
edit, but I think that's a
hurdle still for a lot of people

964
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,200
in IO, like editing their
videos.

965
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:38,360
How did you learn how to do it?
Well, for one, I have a friend

966
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,400
who's a videographer for the
Milwaukee Bucks.

967
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,440
So he's like taking me through
like premiere Pro like a few

968
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,000
times.
I still need to get that like

969
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,040
dialed in, but like that's been
a super helpful resource for me.

970
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,880
I most of the time I'll end up
using cap cut on my phone

971
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,440
though, just because it's so
user friendly and easy.

972
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,400
And I have like the premium
version of that.

973
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,360
So I have it like on my phone
and my computer.

974
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
So it's a lot.
It's very easy to, like, stitch

975
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,040
those clips then together.
And yeah, I feel like I end up

976
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,480
doing way more editing with
pictures than I do actual

977
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,800
videos.
OK, Funny enough, yeah.

978
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,840
Like, I don't, I don't do a lot
of transitions unless I'm, like,

979
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,200
making a video for like, my
Marquette teammates, like at the

980
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,440
meet.
Yeah, yeah.

981
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,720
Otherwise it's just straight
cuts.

982
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,320
And yeah, it's usually just
cuts.

983
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,440
I mean, I've been filming myself
doing workouts and lifting long

984
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,400
enough where I kind of know,
like, what angles are going to

985
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,040
look good.
Or I'm like, OK, I'm going to

986
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,760
set the tripod here for Rep
number one, move it over here

987
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,480
for two and move it over here
for three.

988
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,160
And then I know I can like,
stitch those together like

989
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,280
pretty easily.
OK, I think I've definitely,

990
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,240
I've definitely cut down the
time it takes for me to do all

991
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,480
of those, which is very, very
big for me.

992
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,280
Like I, I don't want to be
living my life and like asking

993
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,480
my friends, like, oh, can you
spend 30 minutes taking a photo

994
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,720
of me?
Like if we're out doing

995
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,920
something, take two photos.
Like I'll set up the camera.

996
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,040
All right, we're good.
Either I like it and I post it

997
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,880
or I don't.
I definitely, I don't want this

998
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,440
to be taking up all of my life.
And I don't want it to take up

999
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,640
too much of the life of like,
the people around me as well.

1000
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,600
Yeah, absolutely.
And and that's part of the

1001
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,080
authenticity too, because once
it drags on for a little bit,

1002
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,360
yeah, Like, you as the talent,
the person behind the camera,

1003
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,160
everybody's like, all right,
let's keep our height going, you

1004
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,480
know, whatever we're doing.
But I thought, you know, I think

1005
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,800
that's interesting.
And like, I wonder social media

1006
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,040
has changed so much.
So I date myself.

1007
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,320
But I had a marketing agency
when Facebook was like the

1008
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,000
thing.
And I had a marketing agency at

1009
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,560
that time where like I help
businesses grow their brand on

1010
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,600
Facebook.
That was the social media.

1011
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,000
And at that time content was
like, you know, you had to do

1012
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,600
Premiere Pro or something like
that.

1013
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,120
And a couple years ago, I have a
previous student who's doing

1014
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,240
some cool stuff videoing
athletes now.

1015
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,200
And I remember he, he's the one
who kind of like I had known

1016
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,880
about cap cut, but he brought it
to the forefront in my mind.

1017
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:52,080
And I just wonder, you know, as
everything goes and as as I age,

1018
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,400
you know, I'm eventually going
to turn into a tech dinosaur

1019
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,360
where people know things that I
don't.

1020
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,880
Right.
When I was on the cutting edge

1021
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,960
at one time.
I'm trying not to, I'm trying to

1022
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,400
stay.
But like, I'm even that question

1023
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,280
is on my, on my mind.
Like, oh, is this just so normal

1024
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,520
for Sophie because you've done
it your whole life that it's

1025
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:13,520
just like, OK, all people that
age know how to cut a video.

1026
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,400
Whereas for me, and like, if
this happened 10 years ago,

1027
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,400
there would have been production
companies salivating over people

1028
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,520
because nobody knew how to edit
their stuff.

1029
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,400
Yeah, yeah, I feel like I
definitely get a lot of

1030
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,720
questions from my friends about
like building their Instagram

1031
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:30,920
and stuff.
So I don't, I do not think a lot

1032
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,240
of people know how to do that.
But like having my dad being in

1033
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,800
that space and like other
friends that do photography, it

1034
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,600
just kind of, I was kind of
already doing it and it's easier

1035
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,880
just to like have our foot in
the door and just keep

1036
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,000
progressing from there.
OK, so wipe the sweat off my

1037
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,600
brow.
I'm not a dinosaur yet.

1038
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Got it.
No, no.

1039
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,360
Got it.
But even, I mean, the value of

1040
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:55,840
just having someone to hold the
camera, Oh my God, like one,

1041
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,160
either you'd have to hire
somebody or have a really good

1042
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,640
friend on the team that did the
opposite events of you hold the

1043
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,640
camera so you can just have them
there.

1044
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,360
Or a tripod.
Yeah, or a really good tripod.

1045
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Yeah.
What, like, how does that work?

1046
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,640
Does he still get to come to
most of your meets, even

1047
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,240
coaching track and stuff?
Does he get to come?

1048
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,480
And I suppose it's easier now
that you're in Milwaukee as

1049
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
opposed to Madison, but.
Oh yeah, I mean he even drove to

1050
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,080
my meet in Kansas, which was
awesome.

1051
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:22,760
Nice.
Yeah.

1052
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,480
But the college season for me
started in January and his

1053
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,720
season didn't start until mid
March, like as in first week of

1054
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:33,000
practice.
So he didn't have as many

1055
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,960
conflicts with those being on
weekends.

1056
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,200
So he was able to go to, I
think, just about all of my

1057
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,000
meets other than Drake Relays
and conference.

1058
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,200
OK, Yeah, nice.
OK, so another thing I want to

1059
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,520
ask completely out of athletics,
I think we have a shared

1060
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,760
interest in Zac Bryant.
It seems like every video you

1061
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,080
post seems to have Zac Bryant.
I'm assuming you're a pretty big

1062
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,520
fan.
I am, yeah.

1063
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,080
And it I never even think about
that.

1064
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:58,880
When you like, message me and
brought up Zac Bryant.

1065
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,440
I'm like, oh, I do post about
that like every day, don't I?

1066
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:04,320
Like every time I take a cool
picture, I'm like, Zac Bryant's

1067
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,720
song would just go perfect with
this.

1068
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,320
And I was listening to his new
song, the songs that he released

1069
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,120
last night, like on the Drive
Up, OK.

1070
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Yeah, I haven't even heard him
yet.

1071
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,240
I like, I like those.
I think two of those, two of the

1072
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,920
three I think I'm really gonna
like.

1073
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,160
OK, good.
Yeah, that was weird. the IT

1074
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:24,200
took his last album took a
little longer to grow on me than

1075
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,520
it did.
He's man.

1076
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,840
He's at a tumultuous path with
some things that have happened

1077
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,640
in his life and.
And just like how that changed

1078
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,800
perception of him on a dime,
like, yeah, it's crazy.

1079
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,880
Is are you talking like his like
relationship?

1080
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,200
The relationship stuff and then
she worked with Barstool and it

1081
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,080
was all just crazy.
So you can't judge someone too

1082
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,960
much about their relationship,
not knowing them or not knowing

1083
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,680
the situation.
I mean, my thought is like, you

1084
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,080
never know the full side of the
story.

1085
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,520
If someone has been like, broken
up with and they're not super

1086
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,320
happy about that, like,
obviously they're not gonna say

1087
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:55,520
the best things.
Yeah.

1088
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:59,640
Yeah, well, and there was a So
that's, and I want to talk about

1089
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,120
this actually with you today
because it's a big part of

1090
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,280
conversation.
But since we're on this topic,

1091
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:09,120
first there was this thing where
like it's really easy to cut

1092
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:13,400
stuff on social media and make
things that aren't reality.

1093
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,720
And shortly after it happened,
when that whole thing was going

1094
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,920
on, he had done a thing in his
concerts.

1095
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,720
He was on a live show run where,
I can't remember if it was burn,

1096
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:26,440
burn, Burn or which song it was,
but he had a song where he would

1097
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,360
let out this kind of like
visceral yell and it just

1098
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,160
happened to be about a
relationship.

1099
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,120
But he had done it on his whole
tour.

1100
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:38,280
But someone took a screen, like
a very small clip made it seem

1101
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,960
like he just did it in that one
time because of the relationship

1102
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
and it went Uber viral.
And it's just one of those

1103
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,480
things.
Was that the one where he's

1104
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,080
like, my exes hate me and my
friends?

1105
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,920
Yes, me, yeah, I saw that for
sure.

1106
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,080
Yes.
And like, I don't, I think 99%

1107
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:54,840
of the Internet doesn't do that
digging.

1108
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,200
They're just like, OK, read the,
read the copy.

1109
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,600
They're like, oh, dirtbag.
And then they keep going.

1110
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,800
And it's like, there's more
context to this.

1111
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,720
So that's an interesting
question for you.

1112
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:09,320
Have you experienced the what I
call the dark side of social

1113
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,640
media?
The stuff that isn't good about

1114
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,600
social media.
I definitely have had a lot of

1115
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,320
like, creepy dudes.
Like.

1116
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,240
Making comments and DMS and like
it's so disheartening when I

1117
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,480
like make a video or post or
something that I'm like, oh this

1118
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,520
is so cute.
Like I love this.

1119
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,000
I want to post this and I just
see like the worst comment ever

1120
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,160
and it's just like just like
such a deep side, like really

1121
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,040
like you have to like ruin this.
And that's like the only part of

1122
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,000
Instagram I don't like.
I very much considered like

1123
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,400
turning off my comments for
anyone who doesn't follow me,

1124
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,960
but I think that would just tank
like engagement, right.

1125
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,120
So that's like that's a trade
off.

1126
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,800
I've debated a lot in my head
because it's just it's just not

1127
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,600
fun.
I don't like people I know like

1128
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,360
seeing those kind of like gross
comments like that's not a great

1129
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,200
look either.
I mean, yes, like, social media

1130
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,000
and stuff is my job, but like, I
have a lot of friends and family

1131
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,720
that are going to see everything
I post.

1132
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:03,800
Like, I'm well aware of that.
I'm well aware of, like, how I

1133
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:06,920
am perceived, especially like
being on a new team, having

1134
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,800
teammates, like, they're gonna
see my Instagram and they're

1135
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,880
gonna develop perceptions of me
based on that.

1136
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200
And I want to be putting out a
good luck for sure.

1137
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,920
Yeah.
Yeah, what about what about the

1138
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,200
the side of like bullying?
Have have you had people

1139
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,280
reaching out with like mean and
hateful like troll type

1140
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:24,960
comments?
A little bit, yeah.

1141
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,080
But like, click on their profile
page and it's like, alright,

1142
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,280
yeah, this is not, you know,
it's not something I have to

1143
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,560
worry about.
Or it's like, it's never, you're

1144
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,000
never going to see someone who
is doing well in life that is

1145
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,480
hating on other people on
Instagram.

1146
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,720
Like it's never.
Life in general, usually.

1147
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:41,880
Exactly, exactly like if you are
the kind of person where you're

1148
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,000
commenting mean things on like
some like young girls Instagram,

1149
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,040
it's like, all right, you got
to, you got to find some hobbies

1150
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,640
or a job or passion or
something.

1151
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,720
It's great that you have that
frame of mind because I don't

1152
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:54,760
think everybody does.
I think some people take that to

1153
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,520
heart and that's such a valuable
life lesson of that.

1154
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,200
Almost all the time, even in
personal conversation or like in

1155
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,520
person conversation, when
someone is mean, hateful, that

1156
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,360
type of thing, it's almost never
who ends up receiving the

1157
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,720
message that that is.
It's a reflection of what's in

1158
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:18,680
that person and what's maybe
what's going on in their life,

1159
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,240
something they tumultuous going
on and emotionally or whatever

1160
00:52:23,240 --> 00:52:26,520
it is.
And then it comes out at the

1161
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,360
time it does at the, the person
running the cash register or the

1162
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:36,240
person, the server or whatever
it is, you know, and I think

1163
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:39,840
it's awesome that you have that
frame of reference because I

1164
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,480
think some people let that get
to them.

1165
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,320
And that's a bad part of social
media is the the bullying side

1166
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,400
where like, and you know, maybe
rewind it a little bit for you

1167
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,680
and go to like the high school
age or something when people

1168
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,600
don't have that.
I think that's a devastating

1169
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:58,600
part of social media that
counteract some of the positive.

1170
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,920
But it's just, I guess it's
something we all have to work

1171
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,520
on.
You know, yeah, yeah, for sure.

1172
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,400
Yeah, but I bet the, I mean, it
goes without saying like

1173
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,640
everybody sees the the creepy
dude comments.

1174
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,200
It's like and what gets me are
like a lot of times they're real

1175
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,640
profiles.
Yeah.

1176
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,320
Are you?
You're a real person saying

1177
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,640
things like this.
It's crazy.

1178
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,280
Yeah, I feel like for me, 9
times out of 10, it's like no

1179
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,600
real username, no real profile.
And it's like, all right, like,

1180
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,440
I'm just gonna delete this and
forget about it.

1181
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:26,800
Yeah.
And if it's like really creepy,

1182
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,880
I'll file a report.
And it makes me happy when like,

1183
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,120
Instagram removes them.
Yeah.

1184
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,280
Or Oh my God.
There was one time this dude

1185
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,000
sent me like a long, like, weird
message.

1186
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,600
And my dad found his fiance on
Facebook nice and sent a

1187
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,640
screenshot to her and his mom.
Go Dad, that is awesome.

1188
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,280
So he definitely takes that
seriously.

1189
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,920
How could he not?
You know, that makes sense.

1190
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,160
I have a son.
But if that happens, I will do

1191
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,280
the same.
So yeah, our our shared interest

1192
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,920
of of Zach Bryant.
So is it is it?

1193
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,960
Is this whole new album released
He.

1194
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,160
Had three songs.
OK, three song, because I think

1195
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,920
he did tease.
It's part of a new album coming

1196
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:09,440
out, right?
Yeah, I saw that.

1197
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,120
One of my friends was sending me
that yesterday.

1198
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,360
Yeah, have you seen him live?
I have.

1199
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,560
I went to Summerfest to see him
with my dad, I think, last

1200
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,400
summer.
OK.

1201
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,720
Yeah, That was awesome.
One of my favorite concerts

1202
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,320
ever, for sure.
I love Revival when it's just

1203
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,080
like a big party.
That's so fun.

1204
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,040
Yeah.
And I love that he adds, like,

1205
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,760
extra things to his songs.
I mean, I've been to probably

1206
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,120
like, 25 concerts in my life,
and half of them it's like, all

1207
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,920
right, I could just be listening
to the album right now.

1208
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,000
This sounds exactly the same.
But I love how much like,

1209
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,800
character like him and his band
really add.

1210
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Yeah.
Yeah, I went to the first Sack

1211
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,560
Brian show I went to, and it's
the only one.

1212
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,480
I haven't been back to another
one, but I went to with this

1213
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,160
thing called the Windy City
Smoke out in Chicago.

1214
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,440
Willie Nelson was the headliner.
I like catching people when

1215
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,280
they're on the ascent because
like stadium shows, I, you know,

1216
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,640
thousands, I've been to
thousands.

1217
00:54:57,720 --> 00:54:59,280
Live music is a huge passion of
mine.

1218
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,360
So I've been to thousands of
shows and living in Milwaukee

1219
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:05,280
for as long as I did, like every
day of Summerfest, every single

1220
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,560
year, I would do so.
Stadium shows as I age are kind

1221
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,960
of like worn out for me.
So I like catching people on the

1222
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,840
ascent.
And this was one of those who

1223
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,880
was like, he played before
Turnpike Troubadours and Willie.

1224
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,720
So like, a lot of the crowd was
coming for them, but I went for

1225
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:25,400
Zach and I don't know.
His music has had me in a

1226
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,760
chokehold since heading South
went viral on YouTube, talking

1227
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,920
about social media when he's
pouring sweat by the campfire.

1228
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,640
There's something visceral about
it.

1229
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,320
So that's resonated with me from
your content and just, and it's

1230
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,840
funny that you don't even think
about it.

1231
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,400
Yeah, I think like my senior
year of high school is when I

1232
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,240
first started listening to him
in like 2021-2022.

1233
00:55:48,240 --> 00:55:50,520
I know I had like Loom on one of
my playlists.

1234
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,920
I make his playlist on Spotify
like every single month and I

1235
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,040
have for like 5 years now and
like it really pushes me to like

1236
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,400
find new music and new artists.
So that's been really fun.

1237
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,560
But I remember he had, he
released like from Austin and I

1238
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,880
remember telling my friends, I'm
like, you got to listen to like

1239
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,960
this, this is so good.
I'm like Zac Bryant and they're

1240
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:07,840
like Zac Brown Band.
I'm like no Zac Bryant.

1241
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,360
And, like, I kept having to
remind them of that.

1242
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,800
And, like, finally, like, that
album came out and, like, he

1243
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:13,640
started blowing up.
And I was like, guys, I've been

1244
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:15,480
telling you, like, this is this
guys great.

1245
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,160
It's like, really.
Since then, it's just like, it's

1246
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,560
always on to my house.
My dad loves Zach Bryan, too.

1247
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,240
So like, if we're, like,
cleaning the kitchen or like,

1248
00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,280
making dinner or something like
that is what's on the radio.

1249
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,160
If we're on a road trip, we're
listening to Zach Bryan.

1250
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,160
Yeah.
Yeah, we have it constantly in

1251
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:31,200
our house too.
My little guy's three right now

1252
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,240
and he loves he he's in love
with Sierra Farrell.

1253
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,760
He loves Sierra Farrell right
now.

1254
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,720
And so we'll play Holy roller.
I'm a bigger Zac fan than he is

1255
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,600
so far, but he he does like The
Lumineers and Spotless too.

1256
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:43,440
I.
Love Lumineers?

1257
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:44,680
Yeah.
Oh, so good.

1258
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Do you remember, though?
The one that hooked me in was

1259
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,920
from a lover's point of view.
That's kind of a deep cut for

1260
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,960
Zac Bryan.
Now I was.

1261
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,560
Listening to that a lot.
A lot yesterday.

1262
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,680
I don't know why, but like
specifically that song was like

1263
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,320
on repeat.
OK, fascinating.

1264
00:56:58,320 --> 00:56:59,600
It happened yesterday.
Life's a weird thing.

1265
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,200
Yeah, that's kind of a him deep
cut now.

1266
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,400
But man, I've owned Life is
weird.

1267
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,040
I've owned 2 houses since that
song came out, which is weird to

1268
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,960
think about, you know.
You know, that's, it's weird

1269
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,560
that it's that long ago.
But I remember it was heading

1270
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,800
South in in the campfire thing
and I think that went very

1271
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,400
viral.
And then shortly afterwards it

1272
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,040
was lover's point.
From a lover's point of view.

1273
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,960
He's got a video on like a porch
if I remember right that I would

1274
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,760
watch it on.
So OK, so you dig, find a new

1275
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,480
music.
Who do, who do I need to be put

1276
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:31,840
on right now?
Like who?

1277
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Who is who?
Would I not know that you've

1278
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,760
been digging recently, Do you?
Think man, that's a good

1279
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,840
question.
I think I've been so busy

1280
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,080
travelling lately, I've just
been putting Zach Bryan on.

1281
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:42,920
OK.
So I usually like my monthly

1282
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,640
playlists usually have about
like 30 artists or 30 songs on

1283
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:46,960
there and I'm at like 10 right
now.

1284
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,840
OK, I think Treaty Oak Revival
is one I've been listening to a

1285
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,680
lot.
Or there's a song called, I

1286
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,240
think Missed Calls that's not by
them, but that one.

1287
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:58,480
That one I've had on repeat
lately.

1288
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,400
I like that one.
OK, gotcha.

1289
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:03,480
Well, maybe I can, maybe I can
add 1 to the Spotify playlist.

1290
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,040
He's actually coming to Green
Bay, but I'm going to miss the

1291
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:07,880
show.
But he's coming to a place

1292
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,920
called Gather on Broadway here.
Have you heard Cassius Culpepper

1293
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:11,960
yet?
I've not.

1294
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,000
I'll have to add that one.
Yeah, it's good stuff.

1295
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,400
Awesome.
It's good stuff, yeah, but music

1296
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,800
in general is such a central
piece of of life and it's

1297
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,720
awesome.
Like I kind of assumed that you

1298
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:28,800
were going to be passionate
about it, but like here in this,

1299
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,000
this new Spotify playlist every
month and stuff it's.

1300
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,200
Awesome, yeah.
Yeah, well, it's been awesome

1301
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,480
chatting with you.
I think maybe we can wrap it up

1302
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,760
and I might have to go a little
bit different direction because

1303
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,040
my, my wrap up today was going
to be like, what's next for you?

1304
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,080
But I think I know like it's,
it's continuing on the path

1305
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,360
you're on.
And I think that's awesome,

1306
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,520
especially with the, the
finality that sometimes college

1307
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,440
athletics can bring about.
Like there's a certain amount of

1308
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,240
eligibility and then I think
there's an identity piece that

1309
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,240
comes with that, that sometimes
gets chopped off for people that

1310
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,120
it's like, OK, what's next if
they haven't?

1311
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,800
Like you've devoted your whole
life to a thing.

1312
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,560
Oh, actually, I forgot to hit
one piece.

1313
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:17,760
Coaching.
Yeah.

1314
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,800
What?
What got you interested?

1315
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,480
And why are you starting to
coach?

1316
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,280
No.
So I had been going to the

1317
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,040
coaching clinic since 7th grade
just because I wanted to learn

1318
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,720
more about track.
But one of my high school

1319
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,680
football coaches who's also a
head football coach quit the

1320
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,720
year I got cut from Madison.
So I remember after I got cut I

1321
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,200
called my dad.
I'm like, hey dad, I know you're

1322
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,880
asking if like I could maybe
help coach a little bit this

1323
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:42,040
year.
Turns out I can be there

1324
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,200
everyday.
I got the.

1325
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,560
Time, Yep, Yep, I now have time.
So I was there, I think about

1326
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,240
like three days a week a
sophomore year of college.

1327
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,400
And then this last year I was
living at home at Marquette

1328
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,800
because I made a very last
minute decision to transfer.

1329
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,360
So I was like, I was there every
day.

1330
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,040
And it's, it's been so fun.
I mean, I think it's such a good

1331
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,280
challenge for me to see the
problems that other vaulters

1332
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,160
have and like try to be creative
in coming up with solutions.

1333
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:08,480
I mean, I've probably worked
with like 20 different pole

1334
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,640
vault coaches in my life.
So I try to find like as many

1335
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,920
different ways to say the same
thing as possible.

1336
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,320
And I never want to be the coach
where I'll tell the kid one

1337
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,000
thing and then if they don't get
it, they don't get it.

1338
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:20,960
And that's the experience I had
at Madison.

1339
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,760
He would tell us 3 cues and if
we didn't get it, that was our

1340
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,720
problem.
And like I remember telling my

1341
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,160
teammates, I'm like, hey, do you
know what this means?

1342
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000
And they're like, I have no idea
and I'm afraid to ask.

1343
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,080
And I, I never want to be that
person.

1344
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,960
So if something isn't clicking
or they're not progressing, like

1345
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,280
I want them to be comfortable
and let me know and I will find

1346
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,840
another way.
Like I will figure this out with

1347
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,160
them.
And that's been so fun.

1348
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,120
Like building those
relationships and connections

1349
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:43,640
for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.

1350
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,960
So as an educator, I was just in
a meeting earlier this week

1351
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,720
about this concept and I wish I
remembered the name of it.

1352
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,400
Right now.
It's something centered

1353
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,880
education, but it's this
concept.

1354
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:01,400
It is like, OK, you might be
comfortable delivering content

1355
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,160
in one way, but there's a
million different ways that

1356
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,760
people learn and react to
messaging.

1357
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,640
And, and I mean, it comes a
little bit more naturally to me

1358
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,960
because I've been trying to
reach consumers my entire

1359
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,120
career.
Like thinking about why someone

1360
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,680
might act on something, but
you're spot on.

1361
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Like, nobody's effective like
that.

1362
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,280
Nobody's effective in leading
somebody when it's like my way

1363
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,360
or the highway authoritarian.
Here's what it is.

1364
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,040
If you don't get it, well, find
a way to get it.

1365
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:28,040
Yeah, that's.
Not how it works.

1366
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,280
And like, I think that's part of
the problem with some like a

1367
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,840
Division One programs.
Like they're gonna get kids

1368
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,520
where it works because they're
just like the best athlete ever.

1369
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,160
Oh, right.
So when it clicks for some kids,

1370
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:40,280
they're gonna think that it's
gonna work for everyone.

1371
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:41,840
And that's not necessarily the
case.

1372
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,960
And I think you lose a lot of
kids with that mentality.

1373
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,360
Well, you know, and the worst
part about one of the worst

1374
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,640
parts about it is that a lot of
times even if that kids

1375
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,040
excelling, they might be
miserable because of that

1376
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:58,000
scenario just like constantly
doing that unless they're well

1377
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:59,640
back to that pleasing thing, you
know, like.

1378
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,680
Yeah, when I was at Madison, I
remember like I would ask my

1379
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,920
teammates, like, all right, is
coach in a good mood or a bad

1380
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,200
mood?
Like it was just so bad that I

1381
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,760
just had to ask that like every
single day.

1382
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,320
Like what do I need to mentally
prepare myself for here?

1383
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,040
So that was that was not great.
So brutal.

1384
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,560
Yeah, Yeah.
Well, I'm happy that the I'm

1385
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,560
happy that the sun has risen for
you on a brighter side of the

1386
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,720
ocean and I wish you the best of
luck.

1387
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:28,520
Hopefully 14 feet and higher is
near future.

1388
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:29,840
That's the goal.
I'm working on it.

1389
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:30,760
We keep.
Smashing them.

1390
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,560
Thanks for taking the time
Sophie, it was a great chatting

1391
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:33,760
with you.
Yeah, thank you so much for

1392
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:34,120
having me.