Russ Allen - Stray Voltage, Losing the Farm, EMF, WPS Lawsuit & the NFL - Episode #77

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Grateful to have you here.
Today's episode is with Russ

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Allen, long time Wisconsin dairy
farmer and author.

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Fascinating conversation with
Russ.

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First, he takes us through his
three-year legal battle against

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WPS, all centered around the
effects of electrical currents

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and stray electrical and the
overall electrical service

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system on his cattle and
potential impacts on other

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things.
And that kind of leads into the

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second part of our conversation.
Russ, a long time NFL football

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fan as well, and we've seen that
in the news out in San Francisco

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and a few other places of how
EMF and electrical current plays

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into team performance and
injuries, something that Russ

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has dove into as well.
Fascinating conversation.

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Happy to have you here for it.
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Let's dive into the conversation
with Russ Allen.

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We did a road trip, done eating
on a Tuesday afternoon and and

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then didn't eat anything since.
OK, water low, right?

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I do water coffee.
OK, I think you can do coffee.

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I think so, yeah.
I haven't done it yet.

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This is I'm going too soon.
I've been reading a ton about

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the benefits of fasting.
What what what drove you to

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fasting?
Like what?

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What's what's the like?
What's the thing that you

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decided to do it?
Well, there's so many people

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that several people tell you
that it's so healthy and I've

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done it in the past and, and it
seems to correct a lot of things

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and so.
Yeah.

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And if you do nothing, nothing
happens.

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Yeah, yeah, Mental and physical.
I've, I've done days where I

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haven't eaten anything, just
water, but never with intention.

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It was just like, that's how the
day worked out, you know?

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So I, I didn't really have any
cause or reason for it or

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anything.
But man, the more I read about

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it, I don't know if I'll jump
into a three day or right away,

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but man, mental and physical
benefits are supposed to be do

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you, So you're kind of midway
right now.

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Do you feel mental clarity right
now more than you usually do?

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I feel, no, not necessarily.
I feel good, but I'm a little.

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I'm a little drag, drag down a
little bit, you know?

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Sure.
Sluggish.

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Yeah.
OK, yeah, but not real bad.

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Yeah, there's been a lot of, you
know, power jostling and money

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that's driven to where we find
ourselves today as far as

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health.
And I, I like that we're here,

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but we're at this like tipping
point or like point of

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realization of, you know, I, I
yearn for the right answer,

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right?
And, and the, and the one that's

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crafted because of or for the
best of the people.

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I, I yearn for that.
I like to think, and maybe this

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is pie in the sky optimism, but
I like to think that science

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today is in that place.
I don't believe that science was

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in that place in the past for
sure.

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And I don't know, maybe it's
blind optimism, maybe it isn't,

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but it seems to me like it is.
And and that leads to some of

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this, you know, knowledge power
struggle, right?

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Because people, I firmly believe
most scientists today dedicate

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their lives to the scientific
method to answer questions that

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they have.
And I'm sure money still rules

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the world a little bit, but I
think it was much worse when we

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didn't have such Freedom of
Information moving around.

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Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, that's a, that's a great

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segue into our conversation
today.

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Lot of lot of directions will
go.

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I kind of want to start with
your farm, like your experience

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on your farm with your cows.
I know enough to be dangerous

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about this.
I I've read a few, listen to a

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few podcasts, read a few things
about like EMF and and like

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stray voltage and its effects on
cows.

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You have first hand experience
on this.

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So I guess can we just start
with that story?

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Sure, forever, you know.
Well, I guess I'll back up a

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little bit in the mid 70s, in
the mid 70s we were, we were

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expanding from when I was a kid.
First we had first we had 32

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cows, then we rented another
farm and added 27 more than we

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built a new barn and added 100
and we're on the cover of hoards

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dairy men, the, the, the dairy
magazine in Wisconsin.

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Then in the mid 70s we built
another new barn and that was a

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500 cow set up.
But, and I, I feel the need to

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explain this to you and, and
what they did was they

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reconfigured their distribution
system and and and and I'll,

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I'll use a tree.
I'll use a tree to explain it.

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Picture the picture the
substation down by the roots and

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it's feeding a couple 100
customers on all those branches,

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OK.
Their own documents say that 60%

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of that current from all those
homes on those branches, homes

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and farms on those branches, 60%
is flowing back to that

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substation, skimming the earth.
It's not on the wire.

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And when I ended up suing the
utility here in Green Bay, the

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judge allowed us to log their
system and 80% of that current

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was missing on the wire.
So prior to building the barn

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in, well, it took us three years
to build it.

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We built it ourselves.
We moved in and 76, but prior to

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that, we were on the top of the
tree.

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There was no current flowing
through our farm.

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We did everything with cash
flow.

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The cows weren't sick.
Life was good.

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My dad bought new cars, you
know, all that stuff.

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We bought new machinery.
Well, when we built the barn in

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76, they reconfigured, they fed.
They fed the farm with

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electricity from a different
from from a different direction,

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which ended up, you know, the
tree is here, which ended up

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putting our farm in the middle.
So we had all this current

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flowing through our farm.
And so for 25 years, we got 6

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sick cows, low production and we
can't figure out what's going

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on.
You, you know, and you, you, you

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look around and you hear about
other people, they're getting

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all this milk auditor cattle.
And there were times we were

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treating, most often we were
treating 50 cows a day.

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It was just, it was so
devastating.

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And it's, it's, it's a, it's a
wonder we didn't lose the farm.

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I mean, and, and you know, when
you're operating with that much

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less cash, you buy used
equipment, you fix, you do all

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of that just to stay around, you
know.

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Yeah, stay clinging on.
Yeah.

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And and now that was probably
prior to this, but now that side

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of this is pretty well
researched and peer reviewed

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about the effects of electricity
on cattle.

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Like I, I think that's pretty
agreed upon, right?

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Seems that way.
That sounds funny.

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Just recently, I would say
within the last three years, it

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used to be in Wisconsin or the
University of Wisconsin did

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their research on the effects of
electricity and cows and they

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always went with, they always
call it, it was the level of

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concern and they put it at a
half a Volt, they said.

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They said that's what the cows
can handle.

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Yeah, that's the 500 ohm thing,
right?

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The 500 ohm was too high.
The cows threshold is actually

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much lower.
Well, yeah, yeah, they, they,

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they teach the utilities
Reinerman that did the research

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at University of Wisconsin
taught to utilities to use a 500

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ohm resistor.
And a lot of cows test 200 or

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less ohms of resistance.
But also they set the level of

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concern at a half a Volt.
This is what the cows can

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handle, 1/2 a Volt.
It doesn't affect them.

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Well, like 3 years ago.
And that's false.

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That is absolutely false.
I lived through it.

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It's just no.
So they must have, when they go

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and test for stray current is
the correct term on these farms.

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They must have been getting
higher readings because the more

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load you put on the line, the
more that's going to be flowing

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through the dirt.
So they must have been getting

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too higher readings.
So they went back to the

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University of Wisconsin, they
got the, the Public Service

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Commission of our state involved
and they raised it to a vault

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and then everything's fixed.
You know, the wire, the missing

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wire, everything is fixed
though.

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And no, and, and what I did,
what I did, and this is

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important in my area, you know,
they're using one wire for two

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purposes to take the current
back to the substation.

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And then by their poles, they
ground it to earth.

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And they'd, once they bond that
bottom wire to earth with their

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ground wire, they lose control
of their current.

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They lose control of it.
It's not on the wire.

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It's, it flows, it takes all
paths back to the substation,

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but there's the most current on
the path of least resistance and

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they have no control over it.
So.

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And that's probably valuable
information for everyone

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listening.
You're talking about when it

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goes back to the substation,
that's the neutral wire, right?

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That's carrying the load back to
the substation and that's where

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the loss, I guess that's where
the stray current.

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They ground that wire to earth
by their poles.

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Yeah.
And and then it, it goes to the

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place of least resistance that
you were just saying.

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And some things can actually end
up operating as like capacitors

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and in a way, right, like things
like barns, they can actually be

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a storage of that energy, right?
It goes to the place that it

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lives.
Well, for every electron that

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leaves the substation and goes
out to turn a light bulb on, one

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has to go back to that same
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So anyway, this is important in
our neighborhood.

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I mean, after scratching my head
for 25 years and a lender, my

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lender said it's over.
Yeah.

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And then when there's ten
siblings and I'm about to lose

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their inheritance so.
Were you the only one of the 10

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running the farm?
Yeah, at the time, yeah.

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Heavy.
Yeah, so one night I took a side

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cutters when I after 25 years, I
finally figured out where all

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this current is coming from and
I took a screwdriver and moved

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her that wooden thing.
It would used to be a wooden

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thing, now it's a plastic thing.
I moved to the side and I cut

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out about this much of that wire
coming down or down ground.

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And I'm not recommending anybody
do what I did, but I took out 22

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in the neighborhood.
So the current because the cows

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were getting shocked at the
water and I didn't, you know,

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when you're at that point, you
don't care.

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So we were probably at 50.
I'm going to say between, you

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know, like 55 to 57 lbs per call
per day and treating 50 cows per

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day and after a year and 1/2
after a year and a half, we were

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at £86.
We did nothing different, same

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employees, fed them the same,
same everything.

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We were at £86 per cow per day
and we're treating 2 cows.

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They found out that I had them
cut and we went right down

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again, just destroyed, you know,
down in the 50s again with

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production and back treating 50
calls a day again.

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So this is important.
Reinerman at the University of

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Wisconsin says they can handle
half a Volt.

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That is a lie.
It's just false.

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It's just not true because after
removing the current by cutting

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the down grounds after removing
the current, you you know, they

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said, they said I when they
tested my farm, they said it was

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fine.
So it had to be less than 1/2 a

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Volt them cows.
They reacted to that whatever

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and any little bit that's there,
you know, you remove them from

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from that current and then you
expose them to it.

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It don't take much and.
So that part I don't understand

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as much.
Like when you say they can

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handle ahead, they're they're
saying that that's like the

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lower threshold of anything
below that.

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Like the cow doesn't even
notice.

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Is that that's what you mean by
like they can handle 1/2 a Volt?

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What they're what they're
claiming is it's the utilities

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responsibility when they get
using a 500 ohm resistor, when

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they get a half a Volt or more,
they have to mitigate.

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And it's, I mean, it starts in
an ineffective way if it's if

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they're still 100 using the 500
home resistor because it.

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It's set up the IT, it's, it's
set up in their favor.

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It's yeah, it's set up to
protect them in my opinion.

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Sure.
Yeah.

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Well, and I think and, and
that's kind of what I was

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getting at earlier of the like
the point of contention, like I

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think, I think it's pretty
commonly agreed upon that

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electricity effects cat cattle.
Now I think, I think that's

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pretty commonly agreed.
But the point of contention is

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the testing method to determine
the the level of effect.

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I was listening to a really
interesting thing that made a

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ton of sense.
And I'm a like I said, I, I know

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enough to be dangerous, but I'm
a layman in this this area.

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But there was another, I think
this cattle farmer was from

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Minnesota and she's did a great
job laying it out about how they

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tested in 15 second like spans
or segments, but then took the

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average of that And it wasn't
the peaks and valleys and that

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that's not how the cow feels it
the the cow doesn't feel a 15

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second average.
It feels one second by one

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second by one second.
And that I think that is kind of

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what you're getting at.
Like the testing method is

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seemingly, you know, like again
from the layman's view, skewed

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in the direction that isn't the
farmer.

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Is that what you're getting at?
Well, there's a couple things

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here.
First of all, I think it was

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1994 or earlier, California
passed a law saying you cannot

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use the earth to return your
current back to the substation

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in dairy areas because it kills
cows.

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So why does it kill the cows in
California?

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And it's fine for all the rest
of us here.

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You know the other thing, the
load on the line determines a

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lot of things.
Say when people get up in the

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morning, they start to jump in
the shower, they start making

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breakfast, they start doing this
and farmers start milking their

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collars and start using a lot of
electricity.

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So there's a lot of current in
the earth flowing back to the

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substation early in the morning.
And then probably like 10:00 or

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not 9/30 10:00 Well, this is the
way it used to be when I was

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logging it, it, it goes down and
and then probably like noon its

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way low, you know, and then five
o'clock 6:00 yeah.

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And we've done a video, we've
done a video where we had a

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metal plate on the floor and the
farm was completely de

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energized.
There was a metal plate on the

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floor and we mounted a plastic
bucket on on a post and then we

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put a a wire in the bucket to
the oscilloscope and then a wire

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to the plate to the
oscilloscope.

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And then we video videoed it and
the farm was completely de

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energized.
In other words, where the three

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phase where the Transformers
are, it was laying open the

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farm.
There was no power coming into

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the farm.
So any current, any current that

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you pick up on the oscilloscope
and we're videoing it is all

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this 860 to 80% on its way back
to the substation.

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None of it was from my farm.
So on the video.

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And I started to cause for 24
hours so that we could get some

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measurements and stuff On the
video, we noticed that they were

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testing the water with their
hairs and you could see the

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needle go like this here.
They were testing it to see how

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much current was on and because
through the day, different times

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of the day, there's less current
there.

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And they pick and choose when
they drink and you know.

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Wow.
Yep, and we picked that up on

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the video.
And then did you have that

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against like the when it was
down like that, did you have it

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against the constant of when
everything was running normal

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and see how they acted when they
put their snouts down there?

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Was it always the same?
When we did that, when we did

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those measurements and stuff, I
had won the the case, I had won

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the case and the jury gave me a
favorable verdict and they told

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the utility to fix and pay.
And they've decided, they've

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decided that they were going to
appeal.

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We wrote them 3 letters and we
told them nobody wants to go

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back to court and they decided
to appeal.

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And there were, there were times
I was falling behind $50,000 a

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month.
And so at some point you got to

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say, you know, you got to, I
ended up having a, an auction

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and sold the cattle and these
measurements that I was talking

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about.
That was probably a year later

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while in the in the in the
appeals process.

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So did the did you end up
following through with the

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appeal then or when you sold the
cattle did the?

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They appealed to the appellate
court and lost the appeal back

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to that same court and lost
again.

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They tried to get the Supreme
Court to take it and Supreme

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Court sent it back to the trial
court, so it was dragged out.

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Probably all with the intention
of they know they have deeper

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pockets, right?
They know they.

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It's hard to say.
I guess that's conjecture, but

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so you ended up so you won the
lawsuit and still had an auction

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and sold off the farm?
Well, when you're falling

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behind.
You have to, yeah.

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At some point you got to you got
to stop the bleeding.

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Right, Well, yeah, 'cause
everything in farming is cash

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flow, you know, like.
What I also did, this is 8

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months before the trial, I was
losing cattle so fast, so many

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cattle.
We went to the judge and I told

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you about the mid 70s.
We are on the top of the tree.

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I went and measured and sure up
and Shirley, it takes 300 feet

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of wire.
We wanted we wanted the judge to

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force them to put me back on top
of the tree.

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It takes 300 feet of wire and
and I'd pay for it.

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And they wrote a letter to the
judge saying we can't do that.

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Them same earth currents that
are harming Mr. Allen's calls

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are going to harm all the cows
South and southeast of his farm

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and mainly the Osmond cows.
Isn't that the wildest oxymoron?

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Because.
And, and you know how they fix

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me after?
Because the jury told him to fix

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and pay.
That's how they fixed me.

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They put me back on a top of the
tree just the way I told them

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to.
They disconnected all that crap

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and ran it to Denmark and.
See, at least I mean that it's

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wild that it's such an oxymoron,
but you can see the businesses

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or the utilities reasoning for
that because they they're

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they're going to open themselves
to more litigation.

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You know, if they harm the rest
of the cows down the stream, of

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course they're not going to do
that.

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But what what boggles my mind is
that if they if they address

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that and acknowledge it, then
why are they taking you

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continually to appellate court
to?

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This was this was, this was
before the trial.

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Oh, yeah, This was before the,
this is the eight months before

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the trial.
Because I was and I was

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everything that we were going
after, all the damages we were

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going after, I was ready to lay,
lay that on the line.

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I mean, think of the
significance of that.

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If it didn't work, if my cattle
didn't get better in eight

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months, only eight months, the
jury would be laughing me out of

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court.
And I was willing to lay it all

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on the line.
But they weren't.

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They tested on my farm and they
said there's no problem, but yet

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they weren't they they weren't
ready to lay it on the line and

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I was.
So I didn't look any.

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I didn't look into anything of
the lawsuit that you had.

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I know you had mentioned it when
we talked briefly, but I didn't

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look into anything of that.
So then did you, when you had

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the auction then did you kind of
lay the proverbial guns down and

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just stop the appellate process
or did it, did it follow through

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and you won every time?
Well, they, they would, they

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would, yeah, they would lose an
appellate.

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They lost an appellate court and
then they appealed back to the

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same court they lost in and lost
again.

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Right.
But then and then, then and then

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you had the auction and then
didn't go to the next level of

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appellate because what's the
point then?

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Well, they tried to get the
Supreme Court to take it, and

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then the Supreme Court kicked it
back.

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That's kicked it back to the to
the trial court and.

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And they did.
And that you weren't awarded any

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damages from that or anything?
Yeah.

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Oh, you were OK?
Yep.

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I got the jury awarded me 1.75
OK.

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Attorney fees and expenses to
get it to trial were 1.50.

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Man.
Yeah.

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So it's expensive, but not for
them.

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We pay for their legal fees.
Yeah, via taxes, you're saying?

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No, we pay our bill.
We pay our electricity bill.

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Oh, I see what you're saying,
Yeah.

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Yeah, and they can just because
of our because of our corrupt

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legislators.
I see what you're saying.

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Yeah.
I mean, they of course have

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much, much deeper pockets and in
an endless, you know, cash

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resource that they can throw at
something.

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And I mean they have on like
internal counsel, you know, to

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no end probably that are on the
payroll that that can work the

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project.
Wow.

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So you end up with 250 grand, no
more farm and A1 lawsuit that

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virtually means nothing.
I got to fix.

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I proved my point.
I guess, yeah.

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But again.
Just the way I told him to fix

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it.
Which, yeah, which is wild too.

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Did any of the other have it?
Did any of the other farmers in

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the neighborhood experience the
same thing and try like or, or

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have it alleviated afterwards?
Like the, the, the utility

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change anything?
So they weren't open to that

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type of litigation again.
In the neighborhood, but I'm

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kind of I'm kind of alone.
You know, there's not a lot of

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farms around by me.
There was one that called me and

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said as Lee Golson, he said a
Russ, you know that stray

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voltage you got rid of?
He said, I found it.

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See when they when they
reconfigured their distribution

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system.
Now instead of the current going

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back to the substation by in the
pier, the the source of the the

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source is in Denmark.
So now that current goes back

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that way and his farm was in the
path of the current that goes

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that way.
So when they fix me, they just

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just like they said in their
letter, we can't do that.

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We can't reconfigure that for
Mr. Allen because it's going to

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hire them all the cows South and
southeast.

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Well, that's what it did.
Right, because it was the fix

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you had proposed.
And that was their answer at

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that time.
Yeah.

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But then they ended up doing it.
But so everybody down there

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experienced the same thing but
didn't probably want to fight

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the same battle that you had
fought.

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Takes a lot of conviction to do
that.

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Well, if the if the attorneys
if, if they, if there's not a a

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half $1,000,000 lawsuit to start
with, they don't even want it.

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I mean, it's so expensive to get
it to trial and stuff.

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Oh, I see.
And you had a large farm, so the

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resources made sense for them to
do it.

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I see.
OK, that's a that's a wild

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story.
So then after you after you had

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the auction, you hung up farming
for good, didn't get cattle back

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or anything.
No, I didn't get cattle back

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after they fixed, after they
fix, there's no more current

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running through the property put
me back on the put me on top of

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the tree.
I had beefers for a couple of

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years, not not dairy, OK.
And I grew crops for quite a few

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years, OK.
Books completely changed the

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business because of it.
Sure, that's a that's a heck of

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a story, man.
I can't.

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And how long of a I'm trying to
map it out in my head.

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Like how long of a, you said it
was over 20 years when they were

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being affected by it?
How long was the awareness and

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the legislative action?
Like how big of a time period

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would did that happen in?
Well, you know.

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Not legislative action, legal
action.

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We, you know, they reconfigured
in the mid 70s and, and put us

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in the middle of the tree and
all this parent is flowing

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through and you don't realize
what happened.

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You don't know that that that
happened.

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And, and so you go on quite a
few years scratching your head.

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You know, the mixers came out,
you know, where every mouthful

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is weighed and, and everything
is perfect, you know, and

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everything is run through the
computer.

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And you go through all of that
and you, you spend, you know,

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you spend 80,000 on a mixer and
you spend a couple 100,000 on a

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new parlor.
And you, you know, and this is

448
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,080
supposed to get you this many
pounds.

449
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,920
And that's supposed to get you
that many pounds.

450
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,400
And nothing ever, nothing ever
worked.

451
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,840
And you scratch your head and
you know, and you wonder why it

452
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:21,400
works for everybody else.
And and then, and then one day

453
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,880
you find out.
Yeah.

454
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160
Well, and that's one of the
things, right.

455
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,720
It it it's a microcosm of what a
lot of things do to large swaths

456
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,400
of society.
You if there's something that

457
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,120
some somebody doesn't want
someone to know, if you muddy

458
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
the waters enough, you can't see
to find the answer.

459
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,240
Yeah.
And I think that's one of the

460
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,520
common push backs from like the
utility that side of it is

461
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,720
right?
Is like, is everything else

462
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,920
optimized?
Isn't there?

463
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,520
There's like some adages about
that that I feel like I heard in

464
00:32:55,520 --> 00:33:01,120
a podcast about like and it
seems like something the utility

465
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,320
company like their PR people
would make up or something.

466
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,960
It's like, oh, how did how did
they phrase it?

467
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,080
I'm trying to remember.
It was something like this.

468
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,600
The stray voltage argument was
like a cover up or whatever for

469
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,480
bad farming practices.
Oh sure.

470
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,600
I can't remember the exact
phrase, but that concept.

471
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,600
And like that happens in the
world all the time where you

472
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560
muddy the waters enough, people
can't see the actual answer.

473
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,080
And then it's like, well, who's
right?

474
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,560
And then it just dies or floats
off into the abyss.

475
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:37,040
But like you have to imagine
that's like that's your

476
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,600
livelihood.
And you were very careful

477
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,760
telling the story that it wasn't
a multivariate test.

478
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,880
There wasn't all kinds of
different things that you

479
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,960
changed one thing changed
everything else remain the same.

480
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,640
Like it's a scientific method,
right?

481
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:54,200
Like you, you kind of had it
and, and I don't know, that's

482
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,160
discouraging, I guess you'd say,
you know, I, I can't imagine how

483
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,560
you felt.
Oh man, it's not something I'd

484
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,000
like to go through again.
I'm sure you know.

485
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,920
Yeah.
So then.

486
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,719
Just to have your lender tell
you it's over.

487
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,840
Yeah.
I can.

488
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,159
I still remember that.
I'll never forget that.

489
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:27,280
Yeah, 2:30 in the morning, my
ache, my legs hurt so bad that

490
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,320
just from, you know, they were
just cramping up and it must

491
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,639
have been the stress or
something or whatever.

492
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Yeah, the stress of going well,
your livelihood is being ripped

493
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,199
away from you and it's you seem,
I'm sure you felt powerless in

494
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,480
the scenario.
What did you see the movie Green

495
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:47,440
and Gold?
No.

496
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,320
Did you see it?
No.

497
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,360
No, no.
Obviously not the electricity,

498
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,760
electricity side, but the
conceptually the, you know, it's

499
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,600
the lender saying no and then
they put the, they put the bet

500
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,040
on the Packers season and then,
you know, it ends up playing out

501
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,840
favorably.
It's a movie, but it, it, it

502
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,480
does a good job of, I think
cinematically painting that

503
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:15,360
picture of the turmoil and
stress and, and the realness of

504
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,240
that scenario.
I mean, it's your, it's your

505
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:22,120
family's livelihood, man, being
torn away from you.

506
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,880
And then and then the legal
process had to had to just be

507
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,560
ridiculous too.
I'm, I'm sure there were just so

508
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,600
many times where you felt like,
why?

509
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,480
Why is it like this, you know?
Yeah, and and then the other

510
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:43,760
thing too is, you know, there
there's a problem with their

511
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,400
system.
It's leaking current, and the

512
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840
more rain you get, the more
current that leaks off.

513
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,880
And the more current that leaks
off, the bigger the magnetic

514
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,720
field.
It's the farther away you can

515
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:10,880
measure EMF.
But it's not supposed to be

516
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,720
there.
It's not supposed to be there.

517
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:14,960
It's not.
Right.

518
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,280
You had said something about
that earlier, right?

519
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,600
Where you what, what was that
you mentioned where you said

520
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,800
that like it's, it's somewhere
in legislation that you're they

521
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,720
can't use land to carry stray
current.

522
00:36:25,720 --> 00:36:27,720
Did you mention that earlier?
Did I hear you wrong?

523
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,560
You.
Yeah.

524
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,960
No, I didn't say that.
Oh, in California.

525
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:34,920
Oh that's OK.
So that was a singular state

526
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,720
where it was said that you can't
use land to return current,

527
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,160
back, wasted current or
straight.

528
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,120
Back to the You can't.
You got to.

529
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,680
You got to use the.
You got to, you got to run

530
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,680
another wire, you got to have a
different system.

531
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,720
You can't use the earth to
return your current back to the

532
00:36:49,720 --> 00:36:51,800
substation because it kills
cows.

533
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,720
OK.
And that ultimately brings us to

534
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:57,160
The Missing Wire, right?
I haven't got a chance to read

535
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:58,960
your book yet.
This happened pretty quickly of

536
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,000
me getting introduced to you to
have any on the pod.

537
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,560
But that brings us to the book,
right?

538
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,480
That's the concept of The
Missing Wire.

539
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Yeah, yeah.
OK.

540
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,760
And what what lenses is the book
written through it?

541
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:14,240
Is it through the lens of the
the farmer or just the lens of

542
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,080
what the utility company is
doing wrong?

543
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:20,960
Like what's the the quick?
I go through the whole trial in

544
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,120
in the book.
OK.

545
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:28,760
And everybody, everybody loves
it.

546
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,040
It's a lot of family stuff in
there.

547
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,040
There were 11 kids in the
family.

548
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:40,080
And you know, I go through our
childhood days and how life was

549
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,560
and, and everybody loves the
book.

550
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:51,680
And then the last two chapters
is the NFL connection and I had

551
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:57,400
AII when it when I made that
discovery, I couldn't I I just

552
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,360
had to put it in, you know, and
that that's another story to the

553
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,880
when I when the bill went off.
Yeah, well, let's dive into that

554
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,360
one a little bit because it's a
super hot topic right now.

555
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,360
Yeah, a couple stadiums in
particular.

556
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,600
But I, I think I want to gain an
understanding of it from even a

557
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,440
bigger picture of the humanities
element, you know, like all

558
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,920
societies element of where you
know who and where and why might

559
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,760
be affected.
So what, when, like, when did

560
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,480
that light bulb go on?
When did you start to notice

561
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,880
that about the, the NFL
narrative and, and the, I don't

562
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,320
know much of the science or
really any of the science of the

563
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:45,280
effect on people, But I don't
know if it affects a cow.

564
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,400
We're both living organisms that
there has to be some type of

565
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,920
threshold.
When did you start to kind of

566
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,040
jump to the human side of
things?

567
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:04,480
I think it was 2017, and you may
never find out what it does to

568
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:14,520
people, what EMF does to people,
because the research is paid

569
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,920
for.
And any time that level might

570
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,320
get a little high, just like
they did with the level of

571
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840
concern at the University of
Wisconsin, they'll just raise

572
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,880
the level some more.
You're fine, Everything fine.

573
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,800
The research says you're fine.
That's the way they do it

574
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,080
anyway.
What was your question again?

575
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Sorry about that like.
When you made that leap, when

576
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,840
you went from the focusing on
the cow to seeing like human

577
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,840
effects and in the NFL narrative
and all that stuff, when did it

578
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,680
jump from animal to people?
Well, I had, can you remind, I

579
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,880
told you I had sold the cattle
and then I was still crop

580
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:59,440
farming and in 2017, in 2017,
Sunday morning, I thought what I

581
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,960
would do I have.
I have.

582
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,960
I wanted to.
I was deer hunting and I wanted

583
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:14,560
to drag some Wick scents behind
my feet so the deer pick up the

584
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:21,120
scent and break to my stand.
And the corn was still on the

585
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,080
field.
It was wet.

586
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:29,040
I was slopping through the water
in the mud and it was like 11:30

587
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,880
in the morning and I thought to
myself, this is stupid.

588
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,920
There's no way a deer is going
to pick up this scent slopping

589
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,960
through the water in the mud.
This is stupid.

590
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,440
So then I looked at the power
lines and I'm thinking I'm

591
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,680
slopping through water in mud,
this is stupid.

592
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:55,120
And I'm being fried because I
remembered on Discovery day when

593
00:40:55,360 --> 00:41:02,080
public service was there, there
they measured EMF like 500 feet

594
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,240
away from the power lines and I
was like 200 feet away.

595
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,480
So I'm slopping through the
water and mud.

596
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:16,840
I'm being fried.
And and then I started to think,

597
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,120
well, I'm going to get in the
house, The Packer games coming

598
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,520
on pretty soon.
And then I started thinking,

599
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,840
wait a minute.
And the Packers were four and

600
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:38,040
six, and the media was telling
Rogers that he's washed up, he

601
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:43,800
should retire.
And he said, well, we could win

602
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:50,560
out.
So when it freezes up with these

603
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,480
clay soils in Green Bay, it's
the worst conductor of

604
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,840
electricity.
So the current stays on the

605
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,360
wire.
So you get a magnetic field like

606
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,080
this here.
You don't measure it 500 feet

607
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:11,880
away when it's froze.
And so it had it froze up.

608
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:18,240
In fact, when Rogers made that
statement that we could win out,

609
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,560
it had already froze up like 3-4
days before.

610
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,480
And and that's where I came up
with this.

611
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:32,200
There's like a 10 day healing
period when you're exposed to

612
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,320
EMF that first Sunday, you're
not going to you, you're not

613
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,080
going to be full steam.
This is just what I've noticed.

614
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,920
So anyway, he says, well, we
could win out.

615
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,960
Ground State froze up the whole
season.

616
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,720
They won six in a row.
Then they won the first two

617
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:57,280
playoff games.
Then they had to fly to Atlanta

618
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,760
for the championship game and it
rained the whole week before.

619
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,840
So current leaked off of their
system.

620
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,720
The team was fried.
They you know, if you can

621
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,560
measure 500 feet away, you know
they're being fried while

622
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,760
they're sleeping.
They went to Atlanta and just

623
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,560
look like junk.
Just like in 20.

624
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:31,920
Just like in 2017.
No, just like in 2024 when Green

625
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,320
Bay went to Dallas.
Oh, when the when Dallas was a

626
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,040
huge favorite and the Packers
won.

627
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,160
They got the second most rain in
recorded history.

628
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,080
The Packers were froze up for
like 3 weeks.

629
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:50,400
They were getting a good night's
sleep and just in their face the

630
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,240
whole while, and Dallas couldn't
do nothing about it.

631
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,880
And I think aren't there some
other, there's some other voices

632
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:05,040
like painting the same
narrative, right, of, of the

633
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:12,640
connection of team performance
in relation to rain and EMS

634
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
signals in this proximity within
like where they practice and

635
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,640
stuff that I think there's some
other people talking about this

636
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,880
too, right?
Have you seen any of it?

637
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,760
Well, the only thing I've seen
what is what's happening in in

638
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:31,960
San Francisco, OK, and and
you're some people are calling

639
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:43,120
it conspiracy theories and, and,
and, and, and players are

640
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,000
calling, calling their agents.
I heard that.

641
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,200
Yeah.
That's that's another thing.

642
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,160
It's not supposed to be there,
but because they have a problem,

643
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,920
they fund the research and say
you're fine.

644
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Yeah.
And that's the obviously the

645
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,680
concerning part, right.
And that's kind of what I was

646
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,400
getting out of the beginning of
not knowing where that is today.

647
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,720
Like I'm, you know, we like to
hope it's not that, but you

648
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:16,440
know, who, who is funding the
research and, and where do the

649
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:22,800
answers come from?
And I'm trying to think, I

650
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,040
listen to a few different things
on the way here.

651
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,440
And, and I can't remember the
guy who talks about him, but

652
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,160
there's this kind of a similar
to your deer hunting story.

653
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,680
Actually, there's this dude
name, I think it was, he's a

654
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,920
orthopedic person.
It was like Doctor Robert Becker

655
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,520
and there was something that
happened in Louisiana and they

656
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,640
were talking about how, I can't
remember if health issues came

657
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,680
from it, but like the kind of
the power line thing you were

658
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,560
saying earlier, like people to
test it would like actually have

659
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,880
like fluorescent light bulbs
under the power line.

660
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:53,080
I did that.
Already.

661
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,480
And they turn on.
Sure.

662
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,600
It's crazy.
Sure.

663
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,120
Yeah.
And like, when we think about,

664
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:07,480
you know, like how much the
electromagnetic field plays a

665
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,680
part in Earth in general, like
how, how could it not affect

666
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,680
people is my question.
You know, like, and then how, I

667
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,520
don't know the, the layers of
carelessness and callousness

668
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,840
that would have to happen to
like cover that up.

669
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,560
It is just mind boggling.
And I'm not saying humans are

670
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,800
above it, but it's crazy to
think about.

671
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,080
The the people that do the
research are experts at covering

672
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,400
it up and I'll give you a couple
examples.

673
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:49,720
Yeah, please.
Well, your normal, your normal

674
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:55,880
environmental EMF.
What is that?

675
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,000
What do you mean your normal?
No, it's not normal.

676
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,160
It's EMF from the power lines.
It's not your normal

677
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,040
environmental EMF.
Oh, right.

678
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,560
Yeah, It's not the natural
version of what would be there.

679
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Yeah.
No, it's, it's not that you

680
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,920
know, and then they then they
say, well, you're and I don't

681
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:25,000
know if you read the stuff that
I sent you and I responded to

682
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,320
some of them, but anyway, they,
they, they go into your body

683
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,160
will adjust to EMF.
That's one what 1 research

684
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,960
researcher said.
OK, so now you bring your

685
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,080
newborn home from the hospital
and she's you put her in the

686
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:53,000
crib in your master bedroom in
the same EMF environment that

687
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:58,880
causes you your poor play on
Sunday and she's screaming her

688
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,320
days on end.
How long will it take for her to

689
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,520
adjust?
Will her brain be fried before

690
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120
before she adjusts or he
adjusts?

691
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:18,120
I mean, just asinine to say
something like that, that, well,

692
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,480
they'll adjust.
Yeah, yeah.

693
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,840
And this is where I'm excited to
learn more.

694
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,440
I don't know which resources
you're talking about.

695
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,480
I watched the videos you had
sent, but I didn't, I didn't see

696
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,400
any links to like, written
publications.

697
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,760
Maybe I missed a text or
something, but I, I didn't see

698
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:41,080
that I did AI did a bunch of,
you know, kind of like first

699
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,560
level research, just seeing what
was available and what I could

700
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,000
find.
And I learned a lot of stuff

701
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,880
that I, I didn't know, a lot of
alarming stuff actually that I

702
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,840
haven't had a chance to like
fully vet and diagnose and, and

703
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:58,880
digest what my feelings on it.
But at the, at the surface

704
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:05,240
level, it's uncomfortable just
going back to the like, sure,

705
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,720
animal versus human were a
little bit different beings, but

706
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,320
we're still beings.
And I, I found a bunch of stuff

707
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,920
that like legitimizes and it's
pretty clear that they connected

708
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,440
when it went over the thresholds
of like comfort's not the right

709
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,040
word.
When it went over the thresholds

710
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,360
of what you, what a cow could
take, it was like low grade

711
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:37,960
cancer was the effect of it.
And maybe the threshold is

712
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,680
different for a human, but why
is the effect different?

713
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:44,920
OK.
Look at where.

714
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,680
Look at what we're talking
about.

715
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,160
Listen to what you just said.
It's not supposed to be there

716
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,840
EMF.
It's not.

717
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,720
We're not supposed to be exposed
to it.

718
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:03,440
If they had a correct, if they
had a, if they had a, a system

719
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:07,080
like a third world country, a
distribution system like a third

720
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,080
world country, you wouldn't see
this stuff.

721
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,240
You they're the only reason
they're doing research is

722
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,520
because they got a problem.
Their distribution system is

723
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,000
leaking current and it it's
causing a, a, a huge EMF.

724
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,000
And and if that wasn't the case,
it wouldn't be there.

725
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,280
The only reason they're doing
the research is as they got a

726
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,960
problem.
You'll be fine.

727
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,720
Yeah, yeah.
Which is the very uncomfortable

728
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,440
part.
And that's kind of that's where

729
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,200
I'm at like.
I mean, they steered us, they

730
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,680
steered us away from the problem
and now we're arguing about the

731
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,800
level.
I see what you're saying, yeah.

732
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,280
So, yeah, And I, I get where
you're coming from.

733
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,320
Like you're pretty much saying,
why is that question even

734
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,120
necessary?
Exactly.

735
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,800
Yeah, I got that.
So let's talk about that a

736
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,440
little bit because again, to the
layman outside looking in, it

737
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:08,080
doesn't, it doesn't seem like
adding the missing wire, adding

738
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,880
that is like this huge
insurmountable thing to me.

739
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Like sure, it might be a kind of
expensive, but in the grand

740
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:19,320
scheme of things, is it
expensive?

741
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,280
Not, I mean not.
It could even be.

742
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:28,560
It could even be easier now they
have Transformers instead of,

743
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,240
you know, like like I said
before, for every electron that

744
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:35,640
leaves the substation goes and
turns the light bulb off on the

745
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,200
top of the tree or turns the
light bulb on and on the top of

746
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,440
the tree, electron has to go
back to that substation.

747
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:48,400
Well, now they even have
Transformers where they just

748
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,400
have a transformer in front of
your house.

749
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,480
So it just goes from your house
to the transformer back to your

750
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,480
house.
It doesn't have to go all the

751
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,720
way back to the back to the
substation.

752
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:02,880
You know, yeah, I see what
you're.

753
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:08,800
Saying it's it's not as complex
or as is not as difficult as as

754
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,560
it might seem, you know, just
running another wire, but.

755
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,040
Right.
And let me make sure I'm

756
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,880
understanding you correct.
So it it basically every every

757
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:24,400
hookup, every electrical
customer can have that two way

758
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,600
St. between them without having
that other.

759
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,960
You don't have to run it all the
way back to the substation, you

760
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,600
just got to run it across the
street to the transformer.

761
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,960
OK.
And that completes the circuit

762
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,120
and you can have, you can have
several homes on one transformer

763
00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:47,000
doesn't have to go all the way
back.

764
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,760
It depends on how they want to
do it or whatever is more

765
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,560
feasible.
Sure makes you wonder, man.

766
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:58,560
It makes you.
It makes you wonder like which

767
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,320
bean counter is making which
decision for what reason.

768
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:06,200
That is what comes to my mind.
And I can contribute to that a

769
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,640
little bit.
I'll throw my two cents in.

770
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,480
Yeah, that's if they remove the
problem.

771
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,960
If they remove their problem, if
they, if they, if they, if they

772
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:25,240
do it correctly, either add the
add another wire or use a

773
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:35,280
different transformer and remove
what they're doing and it and,

774
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,800
and someone sees that it's a
health benefit or, or if it was

775
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:46,600
doing damage before and you open
yourself up to this huge

776
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,680
liability thing.
I see.

777
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:56,480
Yeah, yeah, with everything that
gets protected in the world, you

778
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,760
would think that there's a way
that like, but, you know, at the

779
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,760
same time it it does, it doesn't
happen.

780
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,160
We don't we don't know who
killed JFK for a reason, right.

781
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:10,680
Like you, you'd like to say that
there's this, what is it?

782
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,240
Plausible deniability or
something of like, OK, we've

783
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,000
done something like this for
this long.

784
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,920
It had these effects.
But if we do the right thing or

785
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,960
if you do the right thing
talking from the other side,

786
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,640
you're protected from this
previous thing to not inhibit

787
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,680
moving forward to just continued
on.

788
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,400
That's that seems asinine.
What if this guy here is sick

789
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:39,400
for 10 years and then all of a
sudden they wire wire their

790
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:44,720
system correctly with another
wire or however stop using the

791
00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:50,520
earth and he gets better.
That's that's that's what I'm

792
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,960
the point I'm trying to make.
You might.

793
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,400
If they start doing things
right, they might open

794
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:01,720
themselves up to a whole big
pile of liability.

795
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Yeah.
And that's what I'm saying like

796
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:08,320
if, if that if that is truly the
case and and like it sucks that

797
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,480
there's this gap of it can't be
like, OK, it's been done wrong

798
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,760
for so long.
There's been a lot of negative

799
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:20,560
effects, but let's make it right
and still allow things to move

800
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:22,640
forward and progress the way
that they should be.

801
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,640
But our system's not really
built for that.

802
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:31,040
Our system is built for
protection and liability and

803
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,880
proving your case and and
things.

804
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,640
I mean, you lived it.
You went through it for years

805
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,920
and years and years.
That's that is really

806
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,960
uncomfortable topic that that
is.

807
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:43,640
Yeah.
And the other, you know, and

808
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:53,000
just to add to that, we, our
town chairman 1015 years ago

809
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:59,680
insisted that we have some
windmills and the people that

810
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:01,200
we're going to put up the
windmill said.

811
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:06,880
Because this was brought up by
the people in the town saying,

812
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:11,200
well, what if they cause harm?
EMF twice or.

813
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,240
Any kind of harm, you know what
if people complain, there's it

814
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:16,120
was making them sick.
OK, got you.

815
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:21,800
They said what we'll do is we'll
shut them down and see if it's

816
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:28,600
causing the problem.
Well, that'll that'll never

817
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,360
happened.
That never happened.

818
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,000
I mean, they'll never shut them
down.

819
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,880
Glenmore does not have a big
enough checkbook to make them

820
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:40,080
shut down.
So they keep on turning and

821
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,360
that, you know, and the same
thing like this AI stuff.

822
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,840
I don't trust them any farther
than you can see them.

823
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:54,360
And then with all the, with our
politicians and stuff, you know,

824
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,840
there's so much slippery stuff
going on.

825
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:00,000
It's.
Yeah, I had, I had a guy on a

826
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,680
couple months ago, month or two
ago about AI data centers and

827
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,160
not so much the potential
effects from.

828
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,960
I'm still hoping to get somebody
on from that.

829
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,720
But I had somebody on who was
really, really knowledgeable

830
00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:18,320
about the process and fiscal
incentives about why communities

831
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,080
do this and stuff.
And that's completely broken in

832
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Wisconsin, completely broken
where I I would just point the

833
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,320
listener back to that episode
because Prescott knows far more

834
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,360
than I do and and eloquates it
way better.

835
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:37,560
But the, the, IT came down to
how Township, cities, villages

836
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:43,000
get their funding and are
incentivized to grow via dollars

837
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:49,760
and how the, the handcuffs of
power or the leverage of power

838
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:55,200
is so far in the, the data
centers direction that we're,

839
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,440
we're basically again have our
hands tied.

840
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:05,480
And that's it's, you know, it
seems insurmountable.

841
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:09,480
It's really uncomfortable
because like, I mean, AI is not

842
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,680
stopping.
We see that.

843
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:15,000
And sure, like some of the
arguments for the good it can

844
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,480
bring to humanity are relevant
and could be, but we we can't

845
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:26,600
forego all the potential
negative ramifications because

846
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,280
of the potential of positive.
Yeah, yeah.

847
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,680
Really, really uncomfortable.
So you said, you said you had

848
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:41,080
kind of done some like and you
mentioned more today on the

849
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,280
farming side too.
But when we talked previously,

850
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,960
you had crunched some pretty
significant numbers of like

851
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,360
records of teams and stuff and
and exposure, right, so.

852
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:58,960
Well, I have, you know, like in
2024 I had to had the book done.

853
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:06,880
And in the book I say that if we
have dry weather and when we

854
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,000
have dry weather, more current
stays on the wire and then with

855
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,440
freezing temperatures, more
current stays on the wire.

856
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Most of the current stays on the
wire.

857
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,520
So you get a small magnetic
field.

858
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,920
I see in the book, I predict
that Matt Lafleur could get his

859
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,200
his super bow ring.
What would I didn't think of?

860
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,600
What I didn't think of is that
same weather pattern going

861
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:38,040
through other cities.
And that same weather pattern

862
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:43,440
went through in 2024, went
through Detroit and Minnesota.

863
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:48,360
And who won the most games in
the NFL in 2024?

864
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:52,280
The NFC North.
In a drought season?

865
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:53,560
Yep.
Yeah, Yep.

866
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:00,640
And all them Southern teams like
Jacksonville Jaguars, they got

867
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,800
62 inches of rain and their
record was 3 and 14.

868
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,640
And then the next year, last
year, they got 20 inches less

869
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,720
rain and their record was 14 and
three and they made the

870
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:20,000
playoffs.
I mean, there's all kinds of

871
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,920
stuff like that, you know?
Yeah.

872
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,640
Yeah, that's super interesting
that I and then that's the part

873
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,520
I feel.
I feel like I've seen that

874
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:31,120
somewhere.
I think there's someone talking

875
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:36,840
about this, but I don't want to
delve into into that.

876
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:42,960
I want to keep it.
The other thing I have too is I

877
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,040
took 6 cold weather teams in
December and January when the

878
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,960
ground is normally froze and I
compared it to six warm weather

879
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,200
teams that don't get freezing
temperatures.

880
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:01,560
The cold weather teams, their
percentage of winds in December

881
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:11,160
and January were like 7080% and
your warm weather teams were

882
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:20,320
were like 30 and 40% / 20 years.
So this been going on a long

883
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:23,240
time.
Yeah, you know, and kind of just

884
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,680
learning about it, you know, and
anecdotally, I was thinking

885
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:29,440
about, we did super wet spring
this year in, in Wisconsin and

886
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:34,120
for, for an unidentical and
unidentifiable reason.

887
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,560
I'd, I was sluggish all spring.
I, I, I was, and I'm just

888
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,880
starting like this morning, I
actually woke up and I, I felt

889
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,360
really invigorated.
And, you know, it's drying up.

890
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,040
You know, you can't help but
think about it since I talked

891
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,120
with you, since I started
listening to these podcasts,

892
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,120
doing some reading, just
anecdotally for myself, like,

893
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:58,120
yeah, you know, 3 weeks ago I
felt significantly worse than I

894
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,200
do right now today.
Yeah, and here's another thing

895
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,440
to say.
We went on, me and my nephew and

896
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:09,800
the wife, we went across the
across the state and it was, you

897
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:14,280
know, it's not dry all over and
you got your power lines right

898
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,560
next to the road.
You know, we're being fried.

899
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,560
People don't think about we're
being fried when you're driving

900
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,880
down the road.
Yeah.

901
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,400
How does that, how does that
work in that part?

902
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,400
I I don't know.
So everything that I checked out

903
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,480
since I talked with you, it was
like ground currents and stuff.

904
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:38,760
I don't know how that compares
or contrasts to things in the

905
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:40,800
air.
Is that a?

906
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,120
Is that a thing too?
Like it?

907
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,360
Is it?
I guess it has to be right if if

908
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,400
you're doing the If you're doing
the fluorescent light under the

909
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:53,400
power lines, it's just.
Well, think of think of the two

910
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:57,160
wires that are on on a
distribution system.

911
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,320
And sometimes there's UC 4, but
that's just as poorly designed.

912
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:05,680
But when you see two wires, if
you got 100% going this way and

913
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,960
you got 100% going this way, you
get a magnetic field like this

914
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:13,880
year.
So when they're 60% missing on

915
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,320
the on the wire, on the bottom
wire, it creates a bigger

916
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,600
magnetic feel.
So you measure EMF like 500 feet

917
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,760
away from the power lines.
So you're driving along in your

918
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,880
car, it's wet, you know it's
wet.

919
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,720
You can be sure that all the
current is not on the wire.

920
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,600
You could be being fried while
you're just driving down the

921
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:39,920
road.
Mm Hmm.

922
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,000
Yeah, I'm really excited to
learn more about this.

923
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:46,760
I'm I'm really excited.
What's next for you?

924
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,160
What, like it doesn't seem like
your fights done.

925
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,960
I mean, you wrote the book.
What what's with the knowledge

926
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:58,000
that you've gained between the
your personal experience on the

927
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,960
farm and now with it becoming a
hot button topic in the NFL?

928
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,600
Like what are you going to do
with the knowledge you have

929
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:10,160
anything or are you?
Well, I think experts already

930
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:17,880
already made the connection
between EMF and childhood

931
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,840
leukemia.
I think that's a positive that's

932
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:23,440
already been done.
OK.

933
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:24,640
I didn't see anything about
that.

934
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:30,920
OK.
Yeah, so now, well, so that's

935
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,600
they they proved it with
childhood leukemia.

936
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:40,840
Well, what about the rest of us?
You know it, it should be

937
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,320
harming the rest of us, you
know, just the same, you would

938
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:54,200
think.
But, but nobody in the world, it

939
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,920
seems as though nobody in the
world made a connection between

940
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:12,960
EMF and what it's doing to us.
So the NFL, the NFL, what a

941
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,560
sample size.
I mean, that's a huge sample

942
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,040
size.
And that's the significance of

943
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,000
the discovery is the sample
size.

944
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:26,160
I mean, it's just, I mean, when
you look at all the stuff teams

945
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,440
that can't play when they get a
lot of rain and you know, if if

946
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:36,040
they're exposed to EMF for like
a week, they're probably not

947
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:41,120
going to play good.
Especially going up against the

948
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,120
cold weather team that's get you
know that we're freezing

949
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,720
temperatures and they get a good
night's sleep them you can pick

950
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,880
out pretty good.
Yeah.

951
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,360
Well, and it's really easy to
think of historic Lambo and all

952
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,760
the success the Packers have had
there in the playoffs and in

953
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,760
late season throughout the
years, right?

954
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,200
It's really easy to to see that
the the thing that excites me

955
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,960
about if that if that were to
get any momentum at all, is just

956
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:13,360
the sheer data that's available
because the NFL is the NFL like

957
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:20,040
injuries, you name it,
everything that is captured and

958
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:24,440
lives in a data set already that
that needs to that could be

959
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:26,920
analyzed.
What I think probably pretty

960
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:32,680
effectively in in this realm,
because that I think that's much

961
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:36,320
harder for something like dairy
farming or anything else,

962
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,240
anything else in normal life.
NF LS not normal life, right?

963
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,240
It's this.
It's a weird thing out of stage,

964
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,800
but it's much harder because
there isn't such cohesive,

965
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:50,920
complete data that you could
connect to stuff.

966
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,000
Yep, Yep.
And when I find it interesting

967
01:06:54,000 --> 01:07:04,800
too, and I'm really surprised
now, you know about 60 to 80%

968
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,240
leaking off their system, taking
the Earth back to the

969
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,760
substation.
And you know a little bit about

970
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,640
EMF, the more rain we get, the
more current leaks off of their

971
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,800
system because it's an easier
path.

972
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:25,000
And so you get a bigger EMF.
Well, here's here's the stage

973
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:30,680
where where, where they're at in
San Francisco at Levi's Stadium.

974
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:36,720
Nobody mentions that 60 to 80%
of the current that's flowing

975
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:41,680
through Levi's Stadium on its
way back to the substation.

976
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,280
Nobody even mentioned that.
And nobody's going to, unless

977
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,960
they're confronted with it,
they're all they're talk about

978
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,600
is EMF.
Nobody's talking about that 60

979
01:07:52,600 --> 01:08:02,320
to 80% of that current.
So if any researcher, anybody

980
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,800
that does the research or
anything was a little ethical

981
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,120
and they're talking and they're,
they're asking him about EMF And

982
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,000
he, you know, he, he could
probably say something like,

983
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,319
well, they could be getting it
from the AC current that's

984
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:22,479
flowing through the dirt on its
way back to the, to the

985
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:27,160
substation.
But well, nobody says nothing

986
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:28,640
about it.
We're not going to say nothing.

987
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,680
Keep it quiet.
It almost seems like the powers

988
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,720
that be are already going the
opposite direction of the the

989
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:38,439
classic PR smear campaign of
this is, you know, whatever

990
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,439
nonsense.
No, not scientific back blah

991
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,200
blah blah.
I've seen countless stories of

992
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:44,439
that already.
Yeah.

993
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,560
Yeah, What's encouraging the
when you think about that,

994
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,200
though, is a product the size of
the NFL, even if that's the

995
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:55,399
public campaign.
I like to think that behind the

996
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,520
scenes they're saying like, oh
shit, what do we do about this?

997
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,800
You.
Know they they could potentially

998
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,600
be scrambling.
Yeah.

999
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,319
And then I did say on the, I
don't know if you watch both of

1000
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:09,240
those.
I did, Yep.

1001
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,279
I did say on that one that
you're definitely going to have

1002
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:20,160
advantage in Green Bay over the
rest of them, which you are.

1003
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:25,200
If if it's froze up 25% of the
time and you're not being fried

1004
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:31,720
25% of the time and you go to a
Southern team that gets all

1005
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:36,080
kinds of rain and, and, and, and
doesn't freeze up, you know

1006
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:40,680
you're going to you got a
disadvantage in my opinion.

1007
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,680
Yeah, Yeah, you would think so.
I mean, hell, in the, in the

1008
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:52,080
winter, if I get enough sun,
sunlight in the winter, I feel

1009
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,280
probably the best I do all year.
If I get enough sun, If I don't

1010
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,120
get enough sun, then you can get
a little sluggish because I

1011
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,160
think that's really important
too with vitamin D and, and

1012
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:08,800
keeping your body natural or, or
like in symbiosis, like where

1013
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:14,600
we're supposed to be like, you
know, you wonder, you wonder if

1014
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,760
it even goes down that path
because we see, we've seen the

1015
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,960
like you, like you said, I think
you mentioned earlier, there's

1016
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,600
already players like talking to
their agents about it, asking

1017
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,600
the questions and, and the
classic smear campaigns have

1018
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:29,320
come out about them, like
McCaffrey and George Kittle and

1019
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:32,440
a couple high profile players
have brought it up and they've

1020
01:10:32,440 --> 01:10:36,600
done it how the I think the NFL
would request they do.

1021
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,000
They've kind of tap danced
around the the topic a little

1022
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:44,560
bit, you know, but you know damn
well that just like any solid,

1023
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,640
you know, executed PR, like
behind the scenes, people are

1024
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:52,880
scrambling to to, you know,
actually answer it.

1025
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:59,000
So I don't know, it's just
something that it's a very few

1026
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:06,080
issues like this come up that
affect humanity at such scale so

1027
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,840
consistently at like electricity
is everywhere all the time.

1028
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,680
And I don't know it's I, I
certainly don't have the answer.

1029
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,040
I'm just starting learning the
question.

1030
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:21,520
But but it's I I appreciate the
I'm glad we got in contact, man

1031
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:27,560
I'm.
My take on, on EMF, well, you

1032
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,920
know, I experienced a whole pile
of stuff with the AC current

1033
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,120
flowing through the farm and
putting current on the waters

1034
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,080
and the cows go and drink and
all of this stuff.

1035
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:46,040
And I just kind of stumbled that
one Sunday morning on EMF and

1036
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,240
the, the, the, the light bulb
went off.

1037
01:11:48,240 --> 01:11:52,800
And otherwise I was not an EMF
kind of a guy until then.

1038
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:58,360
And and then I immediately went
to the when I took my mud boots

1039
01:11:58,360 --> 01:12:03,080
off and I started writing a
letter to Mark Murphy and Aaron

1040
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:10,240
Rodgers and and Aaron Rodgers,
Mike McCarthy and and Mark

1041
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,480
Murphy and and I gave Meech a
book, the first book I wrote.

1042
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:20,560
And yeah, I couldn't, I couldn't
believe it.

1043
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,240
I mean, it was so clear because
we already had the measurement

1044
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:29,720
from on under discovery day, how
far away from the power lines

1045
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,640
and everything just added up.
Then you start watching football

1046
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:38,120
and holy crap.
Man, you would think if we could

1047
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,080
get someone to answer it would
be a rod.

1048
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,240
I mean, you would think like he
he's open to exploring it if it

1049
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,840
if it's got some substance
behind it.

1050
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,160
Maybe this is the clip that gets
me connected with Aaron.

1051
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,880
I'm a I'm a huge Aaron Rodgers
fan.

1052
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:55,600
I'm a huge A.
Rod, I always like them, but you

1053
01:12:55,600 --> 01:13:00,320
know, they make millions of
dollars each year playing

1054
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,360
football and maybe they got a
kind of.

1055
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,400
And that that's what I mean with
Aaron, like he's, he's at the

1056
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:10,280
tail end of it.
He's already been that guy and

1057
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:15,360
and he's shown that he's open to
discussing things that maybe

1058
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,760
aren't the most popular or will
paint him in a light that a lot

1059
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:21,560
of people like, look at, like
look at his darkness retreat and

1060
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:26,440
stuff and all the feed like rich
vitriol that he got from that.

1061
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:29,680
Like if anybody can handle it,
he isn't.

1062
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,400
And do you know if it didn't?
I'm assuming none of them ever

1063
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,480
responded, right?
Mark Murphy did.

1064
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,440
Really.
Yeah, I got a card and I put it

1065
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:38,720
in the book.
I got a card from a nice

1066
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:44,840
autographed card, wrote a nice
note and said that that's it.

1067
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:49,320
Could it could be what's
affecting, affecting our poor

1068
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,400
play.
And then he signed.

1069
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:52,360
Yeah.
And then he signed it.

1070
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,840
Wow.
Yeah, OK.

1071
01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,720
Well, there is certainly a lot
of conversation to be had.

1072
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,200
I'm, I'm appreciative for you
for coming and spending some

1073
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:03,520
time with me.
You're welcome.

1074
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,280
I I'm excited to read the book.
I'm definitely going to get my

1075
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:09,640
hands on it and and and read the
book and I should.

1076
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,960
Have brought one along.
Yeah, that would have been all I

1077
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:12,960
could have.
I could have put it on the

1078
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,760
bookshelf and and if we cross
paths again, let's do that, I'll

1079
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:19,320
throw it on the bookshelf.
And after I read it, of course.

1080
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:24,240
And, and you've opened up AI
love learning about new stuff

1081
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:30,200
and, and I am not one to, I'm
not one to discount things being

1082
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:33,760
wrong just because a bunch of
people tell me they're wrong.

1083
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,640
I, I, I'm, I'm one, I like to
find the answer myself.

1084
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,360
So I'm excited to go look in and
see what I find.

1085
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:40,920
Good.
Thanks.