Lindsay Huehns - Art is Dirty, Ceramics, Passion & Brain Surgery - Episode #79

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What's up friends, Welcome back
to Rooter Wisconsin.

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Always grateful to have you
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Today's episode is with Lindsay
Hyunes, ceramic artist and owner

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of Art is Dirty, also a teacher
at the NWTC Artisan Center in

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Green Bay.
Lindsay is a Bachelor of Fine

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Arts grad with an emphasis on
ceramics from UWGB and an

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awesome artist.
We talk a lot about her work and

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her path to the arts.
We also talk about some life

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stuff, but she had to have brain
surgery in her teens stemming

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from some issues that came from
seizures and brain surgery to

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fix that experimental procedure
that she went through and talk

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about that a little bit.
The value of hard work and in

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the life of an artist.
A lot of cool conversation.

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Let's get in the episode with

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Lindsay Humans.
My sugar intake pretty much

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starts and ends with things like
pastries and cakes.

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Fair.
Like that.

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Yeah, I'm going to tear up.
But like, maybe a cookie.

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But for the most part, like,
yeah, I don't crave sugary

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cooks.
It is.

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It's very good.
My wife could not say the same

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thing.
She is a sugar fiend.

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Is she like, you know, she likes
her coffee with her sugar kind

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of a thing?
Yes.

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Yeah.
That's me, Yeah.

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Yep, significantly sweetened
coffee brownies.

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She loves brownies, has.
She gotten into sourdough yet?

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We don't make it, no.
We ate sourdough for a long

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time, but I actually just found
a really nice organic bread

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because yeah, even the
sourdough, we try to eat as

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clean as we can, right?
And even sourdough always kind

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of weirded me out because of the
the whole glyphosate thing where

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they would use it at the end of
the cycle to dry it out, right?

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That weirded me out.
And if it's not organic, like

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you're getting that even if it's
sourdough, but I get the benefit

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bits of sourdough too.
So we did sourdough for a while

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because I couldn't find a good
organic one.

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But we just started eating Daves
organic bread and they do a

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really nice job with it.
The the bummer is classic.

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It's like 9 bucks a loaf or
something.

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But by Pony up and two loaves a
week, man and.

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But even sourdough, if you go
down to like Voyagers, yeah,

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still have it fresh and it's
going to be 9 bucks.

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Voyager does a good job too.
They really do.

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There's one in Appleton too, so
it's great.

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Yeah, what are you, a sourdough
too?

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Do you make sourdough?
Mm hmm.

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Yeah, I love it.
I love it.

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Were you, were you like on the
was it a COVID thing for you?

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Did you come around during
COVID?

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Well, it was like, maybe.
No, it wasn't.

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It was like 2:00-ish years ago
now that I got it, my friend

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started it and, or like she
started like getting into it and

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then she I was like oh, she's
like well I got my from my

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grandpa's.
He's had it in the back of his

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fridge for like 30 years just
like in a bowl.

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And I'm like, oh and so she gave
me some and I've had it ever

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since.
I can't kill it.

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Like it won't die.
I've left it on my counter.

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People are like, Oh my gosh,
like I killed my starter, left

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it on the counter for like a few
days without feeding it.

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I'm like dude, I've left it on
my counter for like 3 weeks,

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didn't feed it.
It came back within a few days.

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Resilience or no?
Resilience, so love it so so so

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much, but I will forget about it
because like, I don't think you

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need to make something with the
discard every single day and I

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don't want to throw out any
discard so I'll just leave it

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until I need it.
I don't even know what that

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means.
What does it mean to make

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something with a discard?
You so when you feed it, it like

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double S in size.
And so obviously you have to

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feed it to get it to be active.
So give it flour is it's like

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feeding.
And so when you give it the

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flour, it'll start to rise and
it like eats the flour and

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that's what creates all the
bubbles and everything and it

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ferments.
Well, you can only feed it so

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many times without using it, and
it's just going to keep

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multiplying.
So you can use the inactive, not

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bubbly, not been fed recently
starter to make like discard

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recipes.
So you can make crackers, you

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can make brownies, you can make
pie crusts, you can make

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literally anything.
There's a recipe out there for

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every single baked good item
with sourdough starter, but you

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can also use it to thicken soups
and stuff like that, so it's

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like you can make a route that
way too.

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Fascinating.
I can see why people get so far

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down the sourdough hole.
Yeah, absolutely.

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And it's almost like it's almost
like movieesque to think about

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like I imagine this BLOB like
consuming.

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Flour.
That's what I assume was in her

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grandpa's fridge because she
said it was just in a bowl with

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Saran wrap on top.
So like the most low maintenance

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way you could possibly do it?
Mine's just in a Mason jar on my

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counter.
That's fascinating because

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that's a thing, right?
Aren't they?

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Each one is like unique, right?
It's a thing about the.

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I don't even know what you call
it a strain.

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Yeah, I mean people have made
like whole wheat starters.

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So some people like, you know,
use only whole wheat bread.

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I think you can make gluten free
starter with like gluten free

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flour, but it's different.
And I, I believe a friend of

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mine tried it and it was like
the flattest loaf you've ever

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seen.
She's like, yeah, I'm going to

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have to figure this one out.
So I mean, it just depends on

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who starts it and like the kind
of flower.

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I mean, everybody's is
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So if you started making your
like own starter and like

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created it from scratch, it's
going to be like kind of

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different than, I mean, some
people sell 100 year old

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starter.
Like I think you can buy it off

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a King Arthur's like website,
the flower brand and like that,

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like that like where it's like
100 year old starter, 200 year

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old starter, but.
It's been existing.

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It's just been existing for that
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Fascinating.
What's What's your favorite

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discard recipe?
What do you like it?

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What do you like making out of
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I really like, I mean the most
frequent one I use is like a

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sourdough pie crust for the
quiche I make.

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But then everyone else's
favorite seems to be cookies.

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OK, usually I have like one
that's like a brown butter

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sourdough discard.
It's all in.

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Like it's from a guy.
I think it's the boy who bakes

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the UK or something.
So it's like some guy from the

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United Kingdom's recipe.
It's all in grams and everything

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and what?
Does the discard look like?

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Is it powdery?
What?

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Like what?
No, it's like thick gooey like.

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Pizza crust.
Not quite that thick, not quite

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doughy.
It's more gooey, like a slime.

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Think like the slime you used to
play with as a kid.

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It's kind of that consistency
with bubbles, so it's a little

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bit more liquid.
And that just takes the place of

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the flour in recipes.
Not all of it.

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It's more so replacing the
yeast.

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OK, so that's what makes the the
stuff for eyes instead.

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OK, I'm a complete layperson to
sourdough and it's funny, like

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this is the most I've ever
learned about it, but I've been

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asked about it countless amount
of times in my life just because

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I'm pretty crunchy, you know?
Like I do a lot of that type of

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stuff.
Just sourdough was never one of

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the things that that we picked
up.

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It's it's cool to learn about.
I know it's a huge thing.

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I know a ton of people are
doing.

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Well, I think it also like
whenever I give like a little

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bit of starter to people, I'm
just like, it doesn't have to be

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as high maintenance as some
people like make it out to be.

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Because I think that's where
people like get a little bit

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scared or like, I'm not going to
get into all that or like feel

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like too pressured to like keep
up with feeding it every day.

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I'm like, it does not have to be
as high maintenance as like

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people will like claim like a
hydration level.

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Like you have to have AX amount
of hydration and you're it's not

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that deep.
You just put I dump flour into

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mine and some water and I stir
it and I like forget about it.

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Like it can be very low
maintenance if you want it to

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be.
OK, it's not like taking care of

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a saltwater fish tank or
something.

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Gosh, no, my uncle used to have
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Never.
My little dude's Jones in for a

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fish tank right now, and I think
it's probably good if it stays

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around.
It's probably going to be his

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birthday present in September.
Like if he stays on this train.

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Oh yeah, and and every like
we've been going to Petco just

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to look at the fish.
He just wants to see the fish

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and it's so fun.
And every time we're like, he's

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like, Dedeck can can we bring
home my fish tank today?

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Not yet, buddy, not yet.
But I'm like, of all these fish,

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which one would you want?
And he's got his heart set on

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this Moray eel.
Oh, that's already expensive.

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And I'm like, I'm just trying to
massage the scenario to be like,

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dude, I don't want to take care
of a salt water fish tank.

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Like, we can get a fresh water
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Like I'll always kind of usher
him down and then he's got some

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ones he likes on there.
So I think I got it to where we

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can make it work with the fresh
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But yeah, I don't know.
I did some Googling about it and

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it doesn't seem like something I
want to integrate my life.

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No, I mean, I mean, there's so
many things with keeping it up

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and everything.
Unless it's like his true hyper

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fixation and he's going to take
care of it.

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Oh, he's not going to do
anything.

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He's 4.
He's going to talk about the

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fish inside of it.
He's not going to do anything

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with it.
Valid.

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Yeah, no, maybe not at 4.
No, we'll be doing all that

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work.
It's crazy.

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Oh, that's so funny.
Yeah, that's been the thing.

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So a lot of stuff we can talk
about today.

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You came highly recommended.
I'm, I'm under strict

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instructions not to tell you who
recommended you to be on the

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podcast.
I don't know if you know.

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Yet, no, I don't.
But now I'm really curious and

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you're not.
Going to tell me I'm not I I'm

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not I I told them that I would
say a little birdie told me.

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I'll tell you.
I'll tell you after it'll come

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out.
Probably sometime.

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I'm surprised you don't know
already if that's a hint, but it

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it sounds like you've got a
really cool story.

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I love hearing about like paths
to passion.

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It seems like you're on one of
those.

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I've been watching somewhat
watching some of your like

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videos of and I like I think
back I got a chance to.

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So for those of that are
watching, she brought a piece

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today that coffee mug for me.
And like, So what do you call

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this?
Like what do you call actually

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making that?
I don't want to get it wrong.

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Either like throwing on the
wheel or like pottery, ceramics

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interchangeable.
OK.

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I was going to go ceramics.
I didn't know if that was like

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the the I thought there was more
than one, but I love like

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hearing people's passions to it
and stuff.

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I found out you work at the
Artisan Center.

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I do so my my quote on quote
regular job is at NWTC.

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Oh yes, I knew this.
Yes, so I've only I've only made

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it into the artisan center like
two or three times.

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Dig the vibe in there, though.
Really cool.

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So I don't know, I'm excited to
hear the the whole story of it.

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I saw a video you posted
recently of the pig.

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Yes you may.
The pig was cool as hell.

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I love OK, so that's so funny
because that's like not my like

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traditional way of making stuff.
I love throwing on the wheel.

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So like we'll throw and stuff
that pig.

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It's a Piggy Bank and it's
porcelain slip casted.

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So there's a plaster mold you
get and you can like band it up

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and you can pour liquid clay or
porcelain into it, let it kind

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of have the plaster absorb that
outer layer and then you dump

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out the excess and it becomes
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I got that mold from a friend in
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I started, I, you know, went to
school over at UW Green Bay.

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I got my bachelor's in studio
art, emphasis and ceramics.

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And Minky Lee was my professor
and he was just, he's very big

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into porcelain slip casting.
That was his thing.

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That was his art form.
He transferred into woodworking

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like while I was there a little
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That seems like a big transfer
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I know, but I'll have to show
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it's like insane, Like you're
like, that is a chair, but it's

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like a beautiful chair, like
based on like animals,

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sculptural elements.
It's they're very, very, very

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cool.
But so he taught us to make our

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own molds.
And a friend of mine was like,

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Hey, my parents just moved into
this home that had left behind.

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I mean, just hundreds of plaster
molds, like old ones.

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And I would.
She was like, do you want any?

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And I was like, honestly, just
pick me out some really cool

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ones.
And yeah, I'd love to.

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And one of them was the Piggy
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And I've held on to it ever
since because it's just so

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stinking cute.
And they're fun to.

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They're fun to do too.
Yeah.

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But yeah, it's really, really
awesome that she just was able

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to give it to me and just got
they still have a bunch.

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Whoever ends up stumbling across
plaster molds, they're going to

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find not one at a time.
It's going to be hundreds at a

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time.
I don't know what it is.

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Well, that probably means is it
was an addiction, yeah, for

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somebody at some point.
Some people collect those

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things, Yeah, yeah.
So did I hear right there

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Bachelor of Arts?
Was it in ceramics?

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You got a whole bachelor's
degree in ceramics.

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It's studio arts and then you
could choose what that was like

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your.
Emphasis area.

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OK, nice.
So what?

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What all encompasses studio
arts?

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What does that mean?
Studio arts is more so like any

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like of the modalities of it.
So there's, you know,

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woodworking, there was ceramics,
painting.

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So any of the actual like making
of the arts?

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If there's a physical product at
the end, that's a studio art,

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yeah.
OK, usually like Fine Arts is

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like encompassing of that, but
then it also is like, you know,

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art history and stuff.
And I had art history classes

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and everything too.
But studio arts is usually the

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route you take if you want to
actually be a like practicing

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artist and making your own work.
Which was not what I actually

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wanted to do when I first got
into it, but it turned out

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turned out that way anyway.
Really.

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What do you want to do when you
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I transferred so I went to LTC
out in Cleveland, WI and was

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going for my degree in marketing
and that program just kind of

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like kind of was like falling
apart a little bit and I kind of

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wanted to not.
I was living in Sheboygan with

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my family and I was like, I kind
of want to like go to like a

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like a four year.
And so I ended up kind of

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picking out that I wanted to do
instead art therapy over at UW

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Green Bay and they had a pre art
therapy program.

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Well, what I didn't realize was
that you do the four year pre

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art therapy program and then you
need to transfer and do your

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masters and get a therapy
certification should be another

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four years of school.
And I was like, Dang, no, I

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don't know if I can do that.
And so, and you'd have to like,

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you know, I think the closest
one was like Milwaukee, I would

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have needed to go to and it
would have been a private

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college.
And I was just like, not about

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to have student loans.
And so I went there, started in

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that program, transferred to
studio art instead, declared

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that my major just because I was
just like, well, that's the

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closest thing.
And then one of the ceramics

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professors over there, his name
is Keith.

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He actually has a studio here in
Green Bay as well.

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He was the one that like really
encouraged me, like you should

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emphasize in ceramics because
you got to pick your emphasis at

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some point.
You should really emphasize in

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ceramics.
You should really, I was like, I

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don't know.
And then I ended up just falling

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in love with it after the first
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So I chose to emphasize in that.
So it was, it was kind of like

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life was like pushing me in that
direction.

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But it like worked out really
really well.

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Isn't it wild how those
seemingly.

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I don't want to call him
trivial, but those quick

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decisions in life that it's
like, I'll give this a try, turn

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into your life.
I know it's just little, little

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things that add up to like one
big thing or one big life change

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or, you know, I love, I love
that though.

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It's just kind of cool to see or
even a trace back in life and be

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like, oh, like all these little
moments up to this.

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How this one decision you made
commandeers the rest of your

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life in certain ways is
fascinating.

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Yeah, I actually teach
marketing.

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So sad to lose you, but I'm glad
you found your passion.

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I went back for my marketing
degree as well.

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I went to Fox Valley Technical
College and I finished it out

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because I was like, oh Dang, I
finished a year and a half of

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it.
Oh, you were almost done, too.

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Yeah.
Oh, so you really did have an

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idea of the program and what was
happening.

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Oh, that's brutal.
Yeah, but I honestly, the the, I

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mean, NWTC is great.
Fox Valley Tech was close

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closest to me and they had a
great program too.

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And honestly their professors
really helped out and

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everything.
But I was just like, I just need

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to finish this and have
something to couple.

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And honestly as a working
artist, having that background

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helps more than people know.
I had my I had a little taste of

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it.
Lisa Wicca is the printmaking

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professor over at UW Green Bay
and my senior year she started a

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like, I forget what the name of
the classes, but it's an art and

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business like degree basically.
So helping you like figure out

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business cards, website, how to
connect to opportunities,

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artists and residency.
She created that from the ground

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up and ran that class my last
year.

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So I was so grateful to at least
have some kind of connection

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from art to business.
And that was extremely helpful.

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Like she has no idea.
I hope she has that idea, but.

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It's a skill set that comes into
play in so many facets of life.

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Like depending on the direction
you go.

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I had, I'm trying to blank on
what it's called right now, but

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I had a guest on the podcast a
long time ago.

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This is probably two years ago
now.

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What do you call it when you
have a space where other artists

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like have their stuff, like not
selling it on consignment?

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Gallery.
Gallery, yes, maybe it was

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gallery, I can't remember.
She would definitely know.

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But I remember a large part of
our conversation was about how

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that is often the missing link
for an artist because like

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creativeness looks a lot of
different ways and executing

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like effective marketing is
certainly creative, but it's a

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lot different than doing
something ceramic or woodworking

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or painting or something.
And when that's like the

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business owner sole focus, it's
so integral that you can market

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effectively, but the it's a
whole different skill set.

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Like we see it every day in
life, but when you try to do it,

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it's a whole different ball game
of actually trying to get

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somebody to pay attention to
what you do right.

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It's.
It's so important to have that

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or somebody else that's going to
manage that side of stuff for

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you.
Right, which is often really

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difficult as an artist, right,
because you most of the time you

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don't start up making a ton of
money.

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You can get there, but not in
the beginning.

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No, yeah, it's, it's an
important part and you can still

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have fun with it and create with
it.

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And I know like there's always
like, there's like kind of like

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a trend that goes around on like
Instagram and stuff is like, oh,

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like, I didn't, you know, become
an artist to like have to like

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do social media all the time.
I'm like, that's how you show

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everyone your art.
And you can reach so many people

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that way.
You can reach people.

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I mean, I've had DMS from
Australia, the UK, Canada, like,

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I'm like, oh, I'm like reach.
And people like, you know, like,

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so it's like, it's instead of
like viewing it as like a chore,

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view it as like, Oh my gosh, I
got to share my work with like

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so many people like in this way
and explaining your process

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because I think that like 90% of
like you marketing as an artist

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is like showing your process or
talking about your process, more

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educational side of stuff.
Absolutely, yeah.

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And like, that speaks to like a
mindset thing of I've been

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following this musician, a
Wisconsin musician recently and

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he has a very, a lot of us have
a very convoluted opinion of

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social media.
Like, I'm obviously not

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everything about it's not good
and I don't particularly love

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what it's done to society as a
whole.

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No.
At the same time we play, the

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hands were dealt right and it's
what in front of us.

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And if it's, if you use it as a
tool to do something that you're

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passionate about, that you think
brings value to the world like

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you can't.
Whatever we do in life, you

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can't just be like the I wish it
was the other way.

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I know.
Well, sure, maybe if you can

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find another way to do it to
make it happen for you.

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But at the same time, it's like
use the tools available to you

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to like do what you want, you
know?

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And I don't like what it's done
to society either.

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We're all very like into our
devices and but The thing is is

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like I would so much rather my
feed while I'm like this be just

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covered in people creating and
like cool stuff, beautiful

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things, like rather than seeing
like hate or anything.

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So if like you collectively as
like artists or makers,

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whatever, crafters even like all
the same thing to me and my

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book.
If we all just flooded Instagram

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with art, like it would be just
so much better to see all of

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that when I logged on to social
media.

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I would love that so much more.
Yeah, so.

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Yeah, because your algorithm
gets curated towards you.

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The the thing that makes me
uncomfortable is like, it, it,

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it's seems.
I think it's increased the

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divide of humanity.
Like we think, you know, they're

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really good at keeping you
there, and your algorithm starts

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to determine your outlook on
life.

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And then we think that
everything is a certain way or

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everything is this way or that
way, and it's not reality.

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When you walk around your
community, you talk to everybody

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and it's like all the wait.
That is just another human.

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And most humans are good is the
thing.

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I feel like it's done such a
terrible job, good job whatever

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at convincing us that just
everyone's out to get you or

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everyone, not everyone's good or
everyone's bad.

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And it's just like most people
are good and most people will

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agree on like 90% of topics.
Like everyone's like basically

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just wants like what's best for
humanity.

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Like truly.
And I mean, I for that reason, I

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love community and creating
community and like, really like

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giving back to it as much as
humanly possible.

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It just, it just makes it better
for that.

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So it's like, might as well try
your hardest to keep that, keep

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what's good out there like
going.

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Yeah, yeah.
OK.

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So when like let's talk about
that beginning part after you,

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after you got the degree or
maybe even sort of when you were

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getting the degree, like did you
jump right into it as a

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business?
No not really.

447
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I created art is dirty, like the
name of it for my account while

448
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,640
I was in college, but it was
like 90% because I would

449
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,840
literally I had no idea how to
keep the clay off me when I was

450
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,080
working.
So I'd literally leave like like

451
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:15,720
shirt and pants covered in clay
walking back to my dorm and I

452
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,400
thought it was so cool.
You know, like like like I'm an

453
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,880
artist and then people probably
were watching me from every

454
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,280
other building besides studio
arts walking fast me like damn,

455
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:27,960
why is that girl covered in mud?
But I started like just the name

456
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,680
of like the account then and you
know, I would get especially

457
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,320
with wheel throwing.
If you've ever tried it, you

458
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,320
should come to the artisan
center and take a class and try

459
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,360
it if you haven't.
But it's not easy to learn.

460
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:45,400
Like it takes a very long time.
I feel like it took me years to

461
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,680
get anything even like semi like
really good.

462
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,160
But I had this delusion because
friends and family were like

463
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,280
telling me how awesome it was.
And it was awesome because

464
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,480
you're making it with your hands
and you made it so it's really

465
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,200
awesome.
And people were messaging me

466
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,320
wanting to buy stuff all the
time if I posted it.

467
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:09,680
So I was like kind of selling my
work like while I was in

468
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,480
college, but I wasn't trying to
do it as a business.

469
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,240
It was just like, oh Dang, I can
I can get out of here with no

470
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,040
student loans and no, and I can
pay my housing and you know,

471
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,080
food and whatever.
So like.

472
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,640
Dang, so you were selling quite
a bit of.

473
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,280
It, it was, I did get my GI Bill
because my dad was in the

474
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,320
military and I got my GI Bill
through him.

475
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,320
But yeah, I paid for my housing
and it paid for food.

476
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,240
I didn't really have to do too
much.

477
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160
My parents helped out a little
bit and stuff, but I was able to

478
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,800
not have to work if I didn't
want to throughout.

479
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,920
So that was really great.
So it kind of like like took off

480
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:45,240
there and then I got out and I
worked, I think we counted it

481
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,480
out between like within the
first year of me being out of

482
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,040
college, I think I worked like
13 different jobs, like all

483
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,640
retail serving, you know,
whatever it was like in some it

484
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,720
was like I think I had six jobs
at one point, like all together.

485
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,720
It was like absolutely insane.
So I did not like jump right

486
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,280
into like being able to like,
oh, I can make my own work and

487
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,520
make a living this way.
And I never actually really

488
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,800
thought about doing that out of
college.

489
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,680
My professors really wanted me
to go get my master's degree.

490
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,480
And I was just like really
holding on to the fact that I

491
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,160
did not have student loans and I
didn't qualify for any like

492
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,120
financial aid really going in to
my master's.

493
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:24,280
So I just settled for like mall
jobs, serving jobs, anything

494
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,880
like that and did my rounds and
then finally found a studio in

495
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,080
Appleton, was able to rent space
for a month at a time.

496
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,880
And make some work.
So I was still at least getting

497
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,800
to create an experiment and
practice.

498
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,400
And I would sell a couple of
things here and there.

499
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:45,720
And then my boyfriend genuinely
started like really encouraging

500
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,840
me.
And he's like, you're making a

501
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,640
lot.
Like you should sell it.

502
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,960
Like you should really try to
sell it.

503
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,160
You should find a market and
coffee Wizards, they have a

504
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,320
Green Bay and Appleton location
coffee shop they were hosting.

505
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,280
It was for free.
They were hosting a market that

506
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,120
you could like come set up for
completely free and you could

507
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:05,120
sell.
And so I did that and I actually

508
00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:06,880
like made like, I was like
really happy.

509
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,000
I was like, oh, I made like a
decent amount of money and it

510
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,240
was like really cool.
And I would sell up for Mark or

511
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,960
I would set up for markets that
I was just like a $20 entry fee

512
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,840
here and there.
And my boyfriend came to every

513
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,920
single one.
At this point, there were a

514
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,640
couple of nights that I had a
market, but I also needed to go

515
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,720
teach.
And he's run my booth for me by

516
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,720
himself.
So he's just like my biggest

517
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,040
supporter and encourager.
And it's been great.

518
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,880
And I don't know if I would have
ever like actually gone and like

519
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,160
tried to do markets if it
weren't for him.

520
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,360
Like really like being like,
because I was just like, oh,

521
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,880
it's like not good enough, not
good enough.

522
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,000
Like I'm like definitely like my
biggest critic.

523
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,440
And he's like almost like
overconfident and everything.

524
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,120
So it was great.
So it was never like planned,

525
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,440
but it definitely turned out
that way and I'm so grateful for

526
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,160
it.
And the Artisan Center was my

527
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,120
big, I've been there for two
years now and that was like my

528
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,520
big, like, Oh, I'm using my
degree for something like I was

529
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,360
so happy.
So, and then I, I did not know

530
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:02,640
what I was doing.
I never really taught before or

531
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,360
anything.
And all of the students over

532
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,080
there were so sweet.
So it was kind of like we were

533
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,080
learning together in the
beginning, which was really,

534
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,920
really awesome.
So that kind of led to just

535
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,200
being surrounded by that
environment too, which also

536
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:15,800
helped me.
And Oh my gosh, they have so

537
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,520
many resources carry and
everything.

538
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,680
And like it's just great with if
you need to know how to get in

539
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,120
contact with like somebody that
hosts like a good market, like

540
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,880
if you want to know what to sign
up for, if you want to find

541
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680
resources for residencies,
anything like that.

542
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160
And has just been great.
So being around that environment

543
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,680
really, really, really helped
too and just kind of helped

544
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,000
shape that route.
And about a month ago, I went

545
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,800
pretty much full time working
for myself other than the

546
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,040
artists and centre teaching.
So that was that was kind of the

547
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,600
path, but I definitely did not.
I think it was because I

548
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,680
graduated 2022 and then within
this last year it's been like

549
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,760
kind of full on.
So it was like, that's math,

550
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,680
four years, four years, that's
math.

551
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,160
That's an art major, not a math
major.

552
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,400
Surprising amount of math and
chemistry in it though.

553
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,360
Yeah, unfortunately.
Oh, chemistry, I'm sure.

554
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,120
Yeah, the glaze is, that's what
I loved GB for.

555
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,680
I had full reign of the like not
chemicals but the materials to

556
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,280
make glazes and stuff and I just
went absolutely ham on

557
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,800
experimenting with that.
But a lot of chemistry, I still

558
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,960
don't understand it all.
Sure, I'd love that would be

559
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,520
what I would go back for my
master's for just to learn glaze

560
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,000
chemistry, but I would want to
find the school that had a

561
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,760
professor that was like very
specialized in that then so.

562
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,240
So how does it, is it are there?
So I'm assuming that means

563
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,280
there's different types of
glazes that can go on.

564
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Like does it have to be
different for like a drinkable

565
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,440
thing versus something that
isn't going to be have food, all

566
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:50,840
of that?
Stuff, Yeah, absolutely.

567
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,880
There's food safe and not food
safe glazes.

568
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,880
Most stuff that you buy is going
to have food safe glazing on it,

569
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,760
but there's so many different
ways of firing.

570
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,400
There's an oxidation and
reduction way of firing that can

571
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880
get you different results.
You can fire an electric, you

572
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,080
can fire in gas, you can fire in
a wood kiln, you can fire in a

573
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,160
soda kiln.
There's just so many versions.

574
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,600
There's just so many different
ways of firing, which is so

575
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,800
awesome because I think as many
Potters as there are, like

576
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,200
nothing's competitive because
there's literally no one is

577
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,360
going to ever do anything the
exact same way.

578
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,160
So I mean, it's just really
fosters really great community

579
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,800
with everybody.
But there's so many options, so

580
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,480
many different ways, and you
just have to find people that

581
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,080
are firing the way you want to
fire and reach out to them.

582
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,600
And a lot of people are really
receptive to helping, like learn

583
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,280
there's residencies and
everything like that that you

584
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,400
can go find too.
That's super cool.

585
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,760
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not Spoiler was your

586
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,200
boyfriend, by the way.
That was the little.

587
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,400
Did you really?
Yeah, so.

588
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Perfect time to throw it in
because being the biggest

589
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,680
supporter, yeah.
That's actually funny.

590
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,640
He's really not great at hiding
stuff, so I'm actually really

591
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,560
surprised that it's him because
I feel like I normally would

592
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,920
have found that out by by now.
Did he reach out or was he?

593
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,120
Oh my gosh, that's so funny.
Yeah, I can't remember.

594
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,360
I can't remember the scenario
that led up to it, if it was

595
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,000
another artist I had on or
something, but then he

596
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,880
introduced me to your page and I
checked out a bunch of the stuff

597
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,680
and it seemed like it was going
to be a great conversation.

598
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,480
So yeah, I love him.
Yeah.

599
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,920
I don't know what, like the, I
know it's a very common

600
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,680
conversation, like the state of
the arts in K12 education.

601
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,480
I don't know what it is today,
but I'd like I had the

602
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,360
opportunity.
Like, I made things like this

603
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:52,320
when I was in middle school and
I don't like, I don't know what

604
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,920
that is like today.
Like it seems strange to me now,

605
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,000
like and in an awesome way that
there was like this kiln at my

606
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520
school that like there was a
teacher that would show us how

607
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,640
to do this stuff.
Do you know anything about that?

608
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Like does that still happen in
K12 education?

609
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000
I think so.
Weirdly enough, my high school,

610
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,440
I didn't have like the wheel
like it was we weren't, we

611
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,360
didn't have that.
We had hand building and stuff

612
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,640
like that.
But I actually just literally

613
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,160
today is Thursday and Tuesday,
Tuesday morning, a high school

614
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,960
group came, toured through the
artisan Center and I was there

615
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760
with Melanie and we did a tour
and then she had me do a demo

616
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,480
and talk about it.
But they, the teacher that

617
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760
brought them through and forgive
me, I don't know her name.

618
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,040
She brought her class through
and she said they had ceramics

619
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,920
and they had the they have a
microwave with a like

620
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:50,240
microwavable kiln.
It's like a super, super tiny,

621
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,720
like kind of like a nesting
thing for part.

622
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:59,280
And they do that.
They have they have wheels and

623
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,760
they have slip casting and they
do raccoon firing, which is a

624
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,480
non functional, non food safe
glaze.

625
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,440
But it is like, you know, the
horse hair and feather pots.

626
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,960
If you've ever seen anything
like that, it's really, really

627
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,560
cool.
But they have Raku firing, which

628
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,600
is a gas kiln outside that
you'll typically do, which is

629
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,680
one of my like big things I love
doing back in college because it

630
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600
was just like you got it out
immediately because you take it

631
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,960
out while it's hot and you like
do the stuff you got to do to it

632
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,960
and you immediately had a pot.
So it was instant gratification,

633
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,400
whereas pottery is usually very
slow gratification process.

634
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,800
Yeah, it's just in there and
cooks for a little while and

635
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,160
then it's got to cool back down
in its spot and everything,

636
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:40,880
right?
Yeah.

637
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,240
Yeah, it takes longer to cool
down than it does to get up to

638
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,040
temperature like 90% of the
time.

639
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
It's so funny.
And usually it's the last like

640
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,640
100° that it has to cool down
that takes the longest.

641
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Yeah.
So it's always a very like, oh,

642
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,000
come on.
But yeah, it was amazing.

643
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,720
They had all of that in high
school.

644
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,880
So that I know for sure like
Green Bay Area has like a really

645
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:03,320
seemingly great art department
or that's.

646
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,880
Encouraging.
It is.

647
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,800
Encouraging to know because you
think about like, I'm sure you

648
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,840
know things like that that take
a lot of resources.

649
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,040
They're often the first
conversations, right?

650
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200
It's like this is super
expensive to do, but I firmly

651
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680
believe in the value of like art
education comprehensively,

652
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,720
whether it's music or physical
arts like this or whatever it

653
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,120
is, like it's, it's such an
integral part of our lives that

654
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,480
it brings a lot of value to the
world in a lot of different

655
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240
ways.
And I'm adjacent to that

656
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,960
conversation.
Yet, you know, my guys in pre-K.

657
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,160
So I know what they do and it's
all fun and art and all, all

658
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,320
kinds of cool stuff, But it's,
it's that's encouraging to hear

659
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,240
that it's continued on that
trend because I never really

660
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,560
thought about that.
Like, you know, you don't think

661
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,760
about that as a middle school.
I I was young, I was in middle

662
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,200
school and they had the big, it
was a thing that like it looked

663
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,200
like a big oven basically that
they got shoved into.

664
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,200
And then, you know, we got to
have our little bowls that we

665
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,840
brought home and stuff.
And there's like, it didn't land

666
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160
on me, but there was a certain
amount of students I'm sure in

667
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,960
there that turned into you,
right.

668
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,400
And like, think like that's
awesome to do and and then see

669
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,040
what you can bring to the world
because of it.

670
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,480
So that's good.
My parents kept like my very

671
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,840
first, like pottery made things
too from like kindergarten.

672
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,800
She's got like a little like
crappy little pinch pot that I

673
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,280
made from back then and
everything.

674
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,600
So it's super funny just to like
see that.

675
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,400
But like, I loved doing that
when we were like little I Oh

676
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,960
yeah, absolutely.
Every single time, which it's so

677
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,520
funny.
It comes for full circle, you

678
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,480
know, that like quiz or like
form they give you like every

679
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,320
year they give you a form being
like, oh, what's your favorite

680
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,840
color this year?
OK, what do you want to be when

681
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,400
you grow up?
I literally always wrote art

682
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,639
teacher, like not even kidding
really.

683
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,320
And I literally got talked to
Well, and this was discouraging

684
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,719
because I literally got talked
to and I was like told like, you

685
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,960
know, like art teachers, they
don't make a whole lot of money.

686
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,400
Like have you looked at like
other?

687
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,560
And I'm like 6 and I'm like, I
just know that I really like

688
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,640
doing art and if I can do it,
they're.

689
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Already talking to you both.
They're telling me, you know,

690
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,560
and you're like being talked to
by a teacher, like telling you

691
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,960
that like just, you know, I
don't make like anything.

692
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,920
But I specifically remember it
was like I was 6 or 7 and I had

693
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,600
they had that conversation.
They're like, you know, you

694
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,400
wrote art teacher down like
three years in a row.

695
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,320
We're just like, deeply
concerned for you.

696
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,280
Like we want to make sure you're
on the right path.

697
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,960
Well, look at me.
I'm teaching at the tech like I,

698
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,240
you know, came full circle.
I'm doing just.

699
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,360
Fine, there is absolutely no
reason to extinguish a fire at

700
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,200
six years old because of money.
That is so weird and that was

701
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200
back then.
Economy is so much worse now.

702
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,320
Now I'd be concerned.
Yeah, well, you know, it's, it's

703
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,280
all relative, right?
Whatever you make circular in

704
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,400
your life, like can you make it
work?

705
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,720
And then we can make that
decision when, when you're 19 or

706
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,000
24, you know, like that's so
funny.

707
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,040
It's funny.
I so I worked in radio for a

708
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,760
long time and that was a common
joke to like everybody I talked

709
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,040
to, like the old heads that
would, you know, I'd try to find

710
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,200
a mentor or try to make a
networking thing to get a new

711
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,120
job or whatever.
And it's like, you know, you're

712
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:12,000
pretty young.
Do you know about the money?

713
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,280
And I was like, right now, I
don't really care.

714
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,880
Hindsight, you know, could have
been interesting advice, but

715
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,360
still, I, I could have taken it
to a point, just like most

716
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,480
things in life where you, it is
what you want to make it and it

717
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,160
is what you want to turn it
into.

718
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,400
There's still ways to make
millions of dollars in, in

719
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,600
radio.
My experience translated to a

720
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,040
podcast.
I'm not making 1,000,000 bucks,

721
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,600
but I'm having fun.
But I'm just saying like there

722
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,800
are people that do and there's
levels to anything and and

723
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:48,000
saying like we're concerned for
you is is absolutely hilarious

724
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,440
to.
Me well, and it's just about how

725
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,240
much work you want to like
genuinely put into something

726
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,800
like it's like, you know, I
could work half as much as I do

727
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,920
and I could probably just pay my
bills.

728
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,520
And I mean the the best lesson
and I don't even want know who I

729
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,840
would have like credited this
with us, but like just making

730
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,400
sure you have multiple different
revenue streams.

731
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:12,000
So like that I'm not only doing
markets or I'm not only doing

732
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,440
Etsy because I think pull the
rug on your account like

733
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:17,560
literally any day and you could
be screwed.

734
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,880
So it's like, I don't like
putting, it's like not putting

735
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,920
all your eggs in one basket.
And I still do marketing on the

736
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,160
side for smaller businesses.
And I love doing that because

737
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,800
it's like, those are the people
that actually do need like a

738
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,400
little help with at least even
just bouncing around ideas like

739
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,640
staying organized, you know,
they need somebody to take over

740
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,280
the posting with them.
But it's like, I have that and

741
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,920
then I have wholesale orders
that I do, I love, love, love my

742
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,160
wholesale clients so much
because there are other small

743
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,960
businesses.
And it's, it's just awesome

744
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,440
because it's like, Hey, we're
both making money and we're both

745
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,480
able to support each other and
it does so well.

746
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,000
And then I do markets and then I
have Etsy and then I teach and

747
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,200
then I host work like pop up
workshops.

748
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,920
And it's just like, you know,
it's never one thing.

749
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,080
And my brain is like going like
this all of the time, but like I

750
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,240
genuinely love it.
And I feel like just like you

751
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,240
need to be able to create.
So I love doing the workshops

752
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,480
because it's just like a tiny
little moment that you can just

753
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,560
like take for yourself, make
something, make something that's

754
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,240
useful or functional typically
is what we do.

755
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,160
And it's just like there's
something that like creating

756
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,080
like does to your brain or
working with your hands.

757
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:32,880
It just kind of seems to relax
most people and like playing

758
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,160
with mud.
There's something about it.

759
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,800
It's like rounding or whatnot.
Yeah, absolutely.

760
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,840
Yeah.
And a couple trends of guests,

761
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,360
like that's why I love talking
to people in the arts though,

762
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,840
because I think they're some of
the most talented and problem

763
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,080
solving people in the world
because of what your career

764
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000
demands of you.
Like I had Spencer on a while

765
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,680
back that does the Packers
cleats.

766
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:57,280
Oh yeah.
And he's a painter.

767
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,960
Like he's that's his passion.
He's a painter.

768
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,440
And then his career weaves and
he's doing that thing of finding

769
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,800
all these different ways that
you make money and then like you

770
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,640
strike gold on one that it's
like, OK, now I have to focus

771
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,600
all my energy.
And he's almost to the point

772
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,840
where he creates other stuff now
to have a release from the one

773
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,320
thing that makes him money.
And I that's why I love talking

774
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,240
to artists because you pave your
own path.

775
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:28,520
And in the face of people saying
actually being that teacher at

776
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,080
six years old, being like, you
know, you're not going to make

777
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,840
much money doing this as well,
maybe you don't, but.

778
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,440
I wish I wouldn't know to say
that.

779
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,960
Six.
Well, maybe you know, yeah.

780
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,400
I did.
That was the problem.

781
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,560
But yeah, I don't know.
That's why I love it because

782
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:49,160
it's always unique and it's
always but it, but it lands on

783
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:54,040
the same like core principles or
whatever you want to call it of

784
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:59,640
like core talents of if you try.
And it's exactly what you said,

785
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,720
it's how hard you want to work.
And if you want to try to put

786
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,880
the puzzle pieces together,
there's a puzzle to be made.

787
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,600
And that, like, that pushes too
many folks in the other

788
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,400
direction of like, Oh yeah, I
need to do this other thing

789
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,600
because it's safe and it's
written.

790
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,800
Well, in its worst case
scenario, it doesn't workout, I

791
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,080
can't maintain it, I can't do it
and I get a normal job worst

792
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,960
case scenario.
Some more marketing clients and

793
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,640
make some ceramics for your
house and your friends and

794
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,440
Christmas gifts and stuff.
Yeah.

795
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,000
Oh Dang, that didn't workout
well.

796
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,240
Well, I even, I used to work at
a plant shop and I loved every

797
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,000
single second of that.
I'm like, I'll go back to

798
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,200
anything like that and like if I
have to.

799
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,160
And it wasn't back breaking and
it wasn't, it was good people

800
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,080
and sweet people.
And it's just like, yeah, it's

801
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,000
not the end of the world if it
doesn't work out.

802
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,320
I want it to work out.
I want it to work out.

803
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,640
I want this to be my life.
But yeah, my worst case scenario

804
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,160
is your everyday 9:00 to 5:00.
Right, Which is is life, right,

805
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,440
You know, And then that's OK if
it if it.

806
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,360
But it doesn't seem like it's
going that way for you.

807
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Your stuff is awesome.
I've been watching since he

808
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,480
reached out.
Super cool.

809
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,560
I don't know, it seems, Yeah,
calming.

810
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,880
Seems calming sometimes to like
your craft.

811
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,160
Would you describe it as that?
Or would you think so?

812
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,480
I think it's meditative.
I think it's really meditative.

813
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,680
You know, when you first, I
think it's meditative from the

814
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,240
start, as long as you don't put
too much pressure on yourself.

815
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:39,280
Sure, as long as it's just fun.
And it's really hard to like not

816
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,520
want to be like perfect at
something right when you start.

817
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,120
But I think that's like the
awesome part about like the

818
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,200
wheel specifically is you're
just not going to be you're

819
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,520
you're not, no one's going to
sit down and just be like throw

820
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,160
like a, you know, 20 inch pod
and it's a beautiful like moon

821
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,360
vase, like jar.
And it's, it's never going to be

822
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,200
like that.
So it's like, as long as you

823
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,760
stick with it, you will get
better.

824
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,640
And like watching people online
was something that helped me a

825
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,600
lot.
So I try to at least post a

826
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,320
little bit of educational stuff
being like, you know, like, I

827
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,840
don't know that much, but like
this is what helped me kind of a

828
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,280
just situation like where it's
like an approachable kind of a

829
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:18,520
moment.
So if I can help like one

830
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,040
person, like also lead on that
path of like, I'm really wanting

831
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,280
to do this like full time as
well, or I want to make full

832
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,840
time.
You know, there's so many people

833
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,680
out there that are just so open
with like information and how

834
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,080
they do stuff and whatnot.
And it's, it's great.

835
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,800
Yeah, which is why I like social
media too, because it does bring

836
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,560
that connection.
Absolutely, and the artist

837
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,560
community is powerful in in its
own spots, right, like people

838
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,520
like we like talking to people
who have our same passions as us

839
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,560
and and it's often comes pretty
freely.

840
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,000
That's awesome.
So we like like I like to talk

841
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,600
about the bumps in the road too,
and things that got, you know,

842
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,080
hurdles.
People overcame stuff to do

843
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:57,280
that.
It's you have a pretty

844
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,920
significant one, right where you
had to have brain surgery,

845
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,960
right.
So can I hear the story?

846
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:02,440
What?
What?

847
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,400
What is it?
I got it when I was like 1450, I

848
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,920
think it was 1515 going on 16.
So that was like 10 years ago

849
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,960
now. 10 years, 1011 years ago, I
got diagnosed with epilepsy when

850
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,520
I turned like about 12 or 13.
It hit right when I hit puberty

851
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,920
and I was having like 30
seizures like a day.

852
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960
Like Dang, it was like getting
and they weren't full on Grand

853
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:28,440
Mall.
Like I say that number and it's

854
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,520
like, Oh my God, just still
like, Oh my God.

855
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,240
But it wasn't like grandma
passed out.

856
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,360
It was like tiny ones where like
I was still awake and like my

857
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,280
left side of my body would like
seize up.

858
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,600
So it's just I had so many
different kinds.

859
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,560
And we had a lot of issues and
they had tried out like all of

860
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
the medications and everything
and it just wasn't working.

861
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:51,680
And we went out to the Cleveland
Clinic in Ohio and went out

862
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,600
there twice.
The first time they just like

863
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,320
kind of like we're trying to
figure out what the heck was

864
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,160
going on and they, I really
don't know if they really ever

865
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880
full on labeled it.
They labeled it reflex epilepsy.

866
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,000
So like usually they would kick
in basically when I would like

867
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,120
change like from a seating to
standing position, vice versa.

868
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,640
Like movement was the 'cause it
was coming from my motor cortex.

869
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,040
So it was the left side of my
body, right side of your brain

870
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,200
controls the left side of your
body.

871
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,480
And so it's coming from the
motor cortex.

872
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,480
And like, they realized like,
OK, so they kind of got it under

873
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:30,800
control again and they just
couldn't keep it that way.

874
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,320
And so I got brought back and
they did the first brain

875
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,080
surgery.
What does under control mean?

876
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,120
Was it like pharmaceuticals?
Yeah.

877
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:44,440
So medication, I was on 2400
milligrams of Trileptal a day,

878
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,400
which was a lot.
So I'm like down to like 900

879
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,160
now.
Like I still stay on it just for

880
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,120
like, like if I get stressed or
anything like it helps with

881
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,800
that.
But we went back and they did an

882
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,920
S EEG, which is like an EEG
where they put the electrodes on

883
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,200
your head and monitor brain
waves, but they put it actually

884
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,040
on your brain.
So they drill like holes into

885
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,760
the side of your head through
the skull and put the brick, the

886
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,800
wires like basically on your
brain to be able to see more

887
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,080
specifically where it was coming
from.

888
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,360
And then I was supposed to get
all, you know, go back under,

889
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,560
take them out, go home, rest up,
figure out the next step.

890
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:23,600
Well, I guess one of the wires
was directly on where all the

891
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,080
activity was coming from.
So they came up with the idea

892
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,280
that they would do a brain
resection directly in that area.

893
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,680
So basically taking a little bit
of my brain like out and sounds.

894
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Terrifying I.
Was 15 and drugged up so I

895
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,360
genuinely barely knew what was
going on.

896
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,800
What I didn't know, or at least
I don't remember knowing, was

897
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,160
that it was experimental and
they flew surgeons out from

898
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,640
France and like everything and
had them in the gallery.

899
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,960
People were watching.
It was kind of like a first time

900
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:53,360
thing.
I didn't really realize that

901
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,320
when I was like going through
it.

902
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,000
But then like five years later,
my mom said something.

903
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:02,160
I was like, wait, what?
And honestly, probably good.

904
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,440
I didn't know that, but I didn't
think I knew that.

905
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:11,120
And they basically put me under.
They got me open and everything

906
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,600
woke me up during and so he was
like, OK, I need you to move

907
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,640
like your left leg and keep
moving it and everything and

908
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,920
like as he was like scraping
away the brain cells.

909
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:23,440
Because he made the brain
activity to.

910
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,640
He needed to make sure he didn't
paralyze me.

911
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,840
Oh.
So once he said keep.

912
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,200
So he kept telling me like keep
your leg up, keep your leg up.

913
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,600
And it was starting to go down
and I couldn't keep it up.

914
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:40,280
And I was just like, like
freaking out too because they

915
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120
said it wouldn't hurt.
I felt extraordinary pain.

916
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,240
I don't know what happened, if
it was like mental or something

917
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:49,920
went off in that sense, but I
felt pain.

918
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,440
So I was like being a total B
word to everyone around me.

919
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:53,480
It was a practice run.
They didn't know.

920
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,240
They were just telling you.
It's not going to hurt at all.

921
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:56,720
Right.
You're like.

922
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,040
The damn dentist of.
Course that hurts flossing you,

923
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,960
but yeah, so it it started
dropping and I was like, I can't

924
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,240
keep it up.
And then I just like what

925
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,520
remember going out?
Like they just put me completely

926
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:14,400
back under and they stopped,
stopped taking away.

927
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,640
And it was like literally when I
say reception, it's not even

928
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,040
like it was a microscopic like
cells.

929
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:23,760
They were taken away and woke up
after surgery.

930
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,520
I'm not fun on anesthesia.
Apologize to every single nurse

931
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,400
that ever had to deal with me
but is there?

932
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Any video evidence?
You know, I wish there were

933
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:36,320
because like it was bad because
I was like screaming like and

934
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,880
then I got off of like I it wore
off and then I like broke down

935
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,480
crying being like.
Can you bring everyone that I

936
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,040
yelled at like and then like I
need to apologize.

937
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,720
I felt so bad did.
You have recollection of it like

938
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:47,880
could you?
The whole thing, yeah, They told

939
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,400
me I wouldn't remember anything.
I remember the entire thing.

940
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,000
So I'm like, Dang, I really wish
I didn't, but I did apologize to

941
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,600
every single nurse and they're
like, it's OK, sweetie.

942
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,440
And but they did end up
paralyzing me from the waist

943
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,480
down on the left side.
So my left leg, I could not

944
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,840
move.
And so they were like telling me

945
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,120
like, oh, like within three
months you should be able to get

946
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,080
movement back.
And I was just like very

947
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,560
determined, like I was like
freaking out too because it

948
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,960
feels weird.
Like I have no really way of

949
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,360
describing it.
Like it's just like dead weight

950
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,240
and you look at it and you want
it to move and it won't move.

951
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,040
And so I was like just like
going through it and I told him

952
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,480
I'm like cut my leg off, it
doesn't matter.

953
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,640
It's dead anyway.
So I was like freaking out on

954
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,240
them.
And after about 3 days I moved

955
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,720
it.
I was able to move it because

956
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:45,720
the couple days my mom was with
me in the hospital every single

957
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:50,120
day slept in the worst chair
like on the face of the earth

958
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,440
could not have been comfortable.
And she was with me the entire

959
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,320
time.
Her dad passed away while we

960
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,480
were in Ohio right after my
surgery.

961
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,080
And so I was very, very
determined because they were

962
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:06,040
going to send me to inpatient PT
to like jumpstart the, the

963
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,200
movement.
And I was just like, no, I don't

964
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,400
want to go away for another two
weeks.

965
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,160
She's like, they would be, I
would be in Ohio still.

966
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,680
And so I was just like, no, like
I don't want to be inpatient

967
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,040
anymore.
I want to go home.

968
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,640
I want her to be able to go to
the funeral.

969
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:23,560
Like it was like, I just really
had like this insane motivation

970
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,080
to at least move it because they
said if I move, they were like

971
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,480
kind of like trying to give me
hope.

972
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,560
I think they're like, if you
move it like you can go home

973
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,920
like within the next like a few
days or whatever.

974
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,360
So day three after the surgery,
I ended up having like movement

975
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,800
and I could just like, I
couldn't control the movement.

976
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,360
I could just kind of fling my
leg like One Direction or the

977
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,640
other, which is so stupid.
And we had like a really, my

978
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,840
surgeon was amazing, the kindest
man ever.

979
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,960
So I have very long hair and my
biggest fear was losing my hair.

980
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:57,480
He didn't shave my head so he
only shaved where the scar was

981
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,720
going to be basically.
So it was just like about this

982
00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,000
big like right on top of my head
and he left my bangs.

983
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,200
So as soon as everything healed
up, I was able to pull my bangs

984
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,280
over the bald spot and I just
wore my hair in a ponytail for

985
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,440
as long as it took to grow out
and I didn't have to worry about

986
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,080
being the weird bald kid walking
around with a big scar on her

987
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,880
head.
So I was super grateful for him.

988
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:20,800
It's a.
Huge deal as a 15 year old girl

989
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,160
that's.
It was a massive deal like I I

990
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,000
hope he knows like how much that
like meant to me, because there

991
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,720
was another surgeon that I was
told that he shaves the whole

992
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:34,240
head no matter what whole like
as no, and I don't even know if

993
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:35,920
I would have.
I mean, your parents can decide

994
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:40,360
for you, but my parents would
have let me say no if I truly

995
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,520
like meant it.
So I probably would have said no

996
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:46,640
if it was going to mean my whole
hair because my hair has looked

997
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,240
like this for as long as I can
remember.

998
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,200
And but there was an I think
he's like a resident.

999
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:55,040
So like not full on like a
surgeon yet, but he was a

1000
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,600
neurology resident and he would
do my rounds in the morning.

1001
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,520
I'm not a morning person.
I'm more not a morning person

1002
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,600
when I just had open like head
brain surgery and the day

1003
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,800
morning after I had moved my
leg, He didn't.

1004
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,720
That guy didn't know, nurses
knew and everything.

1005
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:13,360
They all kind of, like, came
into my room that next morning

1006
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,000
because they wanted to see.
And this guy was just so

1007
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,120
arrogant.
And he would fling my blinds

1008
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:22,120
open at 6:00 AM and, like, be
loud and just would drive me

1009
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,760
bonkers.
And all the nurses hated him.

1010
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680
And so when he came in, he's
like, OK, like, push up with

1011
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,440
like this leg and Chuck it.
And he like, came to this leg to

1012
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,920
try to, like, Chuck it.
And I, with every single, like,

1013
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,360
ounce of, like, energy I could,
just flung it straight up.

1014
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,520
And I ended up kicking him in
the head.

1015
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,680
I was hoping that was what is
going to be awesome.

1016
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,520
Nurses were like, and it was
like the best moment ever.

1017
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,040
So then they let me go home and
I was super, super happy.

1018
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,040
The one.
Opportunity in life where you

1019
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,320
have if you kick somebody in the
head, you're going to get a

1020
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,840
favorable outcome.
He was, he was like, I mean, he

1021
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,800
was like, oh, like, so like they
didn't think I was going to have

1022
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,920
any movement.
And I was walking that day.

1023
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,200
So it's like 3, three, four days
later I was able to walk with a

1024
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,920
either support from like the
nurses on the side of me or a

1025
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:12,280
Walker or like a cane.
And I think I used a Walker for

1026
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,240
all of like 3 days once I got
home because I was not about to

1027
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:17,600
be the 15 year old with a
Walker.

1028
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,840
So then I was the 15 year old
with a cane.

1029
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,600
Well, like 2 weeks later I was
like, I'm not about to be the 15

1030
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,400
year old with a cane.
And so I just like sucked it up.

1031
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,960
I would trip, I would fall, but
I wouldn't, I would just keep

1032
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,480
walking like as much as I like
could.

1033
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,680
And I had like an ankle brace
and that lasted a while.

1034
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:37,520
But other than that, like I have
almost full mobility back.

1035
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,480
So there's like a little bit of
drop foot, like the dorsal

1036
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,680
flexion of like your ankle.
That's, that's pretty much all

1037
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:49,280
that I'm still missing today.
But I mean, it was the amount of

1038
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,840
support that I had like from
family and doctors and

1039
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,400
everything like that.
I was just very stubborn.

1040
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,600
I was very stubborn and I had a
lot of support to be stubborn.

1041
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,400
I want to throw it what it what
if?

1042
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,360
What if the mean doctor?
What if he did all those things

1043
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,960
to motivate you to kick him in
the head to go?

1044
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Home.
I hope so.

1045
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,520
I hope so because that would
mean that he's not actually a

1046
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,840
douche and I didn't leave and he
continued to be a douche.

1047
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,480
So hopefully that was like the
thing.

1048
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,120
But like everyone at that, I
will recommend that clinic to

1049
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,400
like anyone.
I think it's like one of the

1050
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,400
biggest hospitals in the the
United States that that was

1051
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,160
where I got art therapy.
I, they came around, I was in

1052
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,520
the hospital for a month, month
or two at a time.

1053
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:36,760
They had art therapy coming
around.

1054
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,480
That is just where I found like
the insane, how much it helped

1055
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,680
me.
So I was stuck in a bed.

1056
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,720
So that's where you found the
passion for art therapy?

1057
00:53:43,720 --> 00:53:45,840
Yeah, for art therapy
specifically, yes.

1058
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Now you have to have just like
so much certification and

1059
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,560
continuing that I just, I don't
know if I'd really want to go

1060
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,560
through school for that, but I
would love to like if there was

1061
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,040
like any way to like go through
and like kind of help in that

1062
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,720
sense where I'm literally just
the one with like the art cart.

1063
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,560
Because that's what it was.
A lady had a yeah.

1064
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,160
And it wasn't, it wasn't just
painting and drawing like she

1065
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:13,600
had like she had like the tissue
paper and mod Podge and I can

1066
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,720
mod podge stuff.
Like it wasn't just like the

1067
00:54:15,720 --> 00:54:19,880
boring, like, oh, here's box
crayons and we did alcohol inks

1068
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,400
on tile.
But yeah, so it wasn't, it was,

1069
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,400
it was like actual real, like
arts and crafts that you could

1070
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:27,840
do.
And they had music therapy come

1071
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,960
around, too.
I think that's probably a very

1072
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,720
important part of it because if
you think of that whole scenario

1073
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,800
and what the outcome they're
aiming for and stuff is, you,

1074
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,440
you can't come in, you, you, you
can't.

1075
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,120
You're not swinging for a single
like you're going for a home

1076
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,080
run.
So that makes a ton of sense

1077
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:48,520
that it's really in depth,
delicate, deep types of work.

1078
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,440
Yeah, well, and they also had,
like, dogs come around weekly,

1079
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:56,440
like to the like.
Like they had so much to like,

1080
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,360
make sure you could be in the
best, like, mental space while

1081
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,160
going through all of the stuff.
And I mean, everyone had the

1082
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,600
opportunity to get all of it.
They gave you a little brochure,

1083
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,760
Be like, what are you interested
in dogs?

1084
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Art therapy, music therapy.
There's so many other things.

1085
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,320
That's just what I ended up
choosing, but there was so many

1086
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:18,160
opportunities and I think people
should know genuinely how much

1087
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,880
like those things need to be in
really every hospital,

1088
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,360
especially children's hospitals.
Oh yeah.

1089
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,520
But it was awesome.
I was so grateful for that

1090
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,680
place.
And all of the staff was like

1091
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,360
amazing too, so.
Doctor kick head.

1092
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,800
Yeah, but that's OK.
There's one in every crowd.

1093
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,360
Yeah, and he really was like the
only one.

1094
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,800
The receptionist, her name,
she's not actually cookie, but

1095
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,960
we called her Cookie and she
just made everything better.

1096
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,680
She was like the receptionist
and the the ward and she would

1097
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,960
just walk in and she'd just be
like, she talked to me like so

1098
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,120
normal, like nothing was like
going on with me, which is

1099
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,160
awesome.
So she just walked in.

1100
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,760
She'd be like, you never believe
what my neighbors did last

1101
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:00,960
night.
I was like, Oh my God, what?

1102
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,120
Tell me.
And she was just like, they

1103
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,200
threw a party on my porch and
like she was just, things were

1104
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,840
happening if you lived a life.
I just got to hear all of her

1105
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,360
drama with her neighbors or
whatever was going on in her

1106
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,320
life.
And I kept into contact with her

1107
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,240
for a really, really long time.
And I, I, the last I heard, she

1108
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,920
moved back to living with her
daughter, which was really

1109
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,240
awesome for her.
So I knew I got to stay in

1110
00:56:23,240 --> 00:56:25,400
contact with her for like a
couple of years afterwards

1111
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,520
before emails just died off.
And you know, life happens to

1112
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:32,040
everyone, so.
I feel like a long life's path.

1113
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,440
If you make it to having the
nickname Cookie, I feel like you

1114
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,480
have to be an enjoyable human.
Like nobody's going to call you

1115
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,680
Cookie if you're not cool.
Oh, that lady's going to have

1116
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,680
it.
She's just the sweetest sweet.

1117
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,640
She was just the sweetest lady
I'd ever met.

1118
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,560
Like she just wholesome and she
cared and she was just so sweet

1119
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,600
and kind.
Like I just she she made like a

1120
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,440
lot of people made my stay
better than it could have been,

1121
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,600
but she just like really like
always stuck with me and even

1122
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,760
the tech that like changed like
my wiring like on the seg and

1123
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:05,640
everything.
I guess he posts this was this

1124
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,600
is something I just remembered.
He posted about me on Reddit.

1125
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,560
Didn't get my name or anything
but he had posted my story on

1126
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,240
Reddit while I was in the
hospital.

1127
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,320
I got home from the hospital,
and I had had forwarded e-mail

1128
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:22,640
from the Cleveland Clinic to my
home of million, like, millions

1129
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,920
of letters.
Like, not actually millions, but

1130
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,040
like, it was hundreds of letters
packages because people, I guess

1131
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:29,920
the post had kind of gone a
little viral.

1132
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,080
And he had said that they could
send, you know, letters of

1133
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,040
encouragement to my room.
Wow.

1134
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,640
And I remember getting home and
it was just a giant box full of

1135
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,320
it.
And I was like, what is this?

1136
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:45,520
And I was so confused and
somebody had mentioned, I read

1137
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,680
through all the letters because
I was like, what is happening?

1138
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,280
And then I somebody finally
mentioned and then I, I put two

1139
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,840
and two together that it was the
guy that would be the tech on

1140
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,440
the leads on my head.
So I was like.

1141
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
It was just did you end up
finding the Reddit thread and

1142
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,160
read through it?
I couldn't.

1143
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,360
You never found it.
Never found it, never found it.

1144
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,520
I know I would have loved to.
I didn't even know what Reddit

1145
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,760
was so like I was like mom
what's Reddit?

1146
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,240
It has to still exist.
I'm sure, I mean I don't know

1147
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,480
why it would get taken down or
anything, but I just don't know

1148
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,000
how I would even begin to find
it in the pool of everything

1149
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,080
that's on Reddit.
That's amazing.

1150
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,400
I don't even know how you'd go
bad at searching that.

1151
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,680
It'd be cool.
I never even thought about like

1152
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,680
really trying to find it.
Yeah, that would be because,

1153
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:30,560
well, you'd get a lot of stuff
out of it, right?

1154
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,080
There's probably people that are
going to cling to that, that are

1155
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,800
going through similar situations
right at that time.

1156
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Who knows what, maybe you know
what that procedure has turned

1157
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,760
into now.
But if it was pretty fledgling

1158
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,240
at that time, like you know
what, people making the decision

1159
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,560
if they should do it or not, all
that stuff, that's fascinating.

1160
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,920
Yeah.
Well, and they, I, I don't think

1161
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:57,600
they labeled this.
It's called cadamenial epilepsy

1162
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:03,360
and I believe at least this is
what like I've like kind of like

1163
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,640
pointed out to be because they
call it reflux epilepsy.

1164
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,000
But I didn't get it till I
didn't have a single issue until

1165
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,200
I was 12/13.
And the doctors from France had

1166
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:15,400
a line of studies of only women
same age as me that didn't

1167
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,440
develop it until that stage.
So I'm pretty sure it's like a

1168
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,240
hormonal link or like a puberty
link or something like that.

1169
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,240
And that would be like dubbed
like kind of menial epilepsy.

1170
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,600
So I think there's been a lot
more research into that specific

1171
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,240
area, but it's it's really
interesting.

1172
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,480
There's so many different kinds.
So what was the what?

1173
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,880
What was in the letters and the
gifts and stuff?

1174
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,080
What do you remember?
Anything I.

1175
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:43,360
Had like a Colombian flag and
scarf and I mean just really

1176
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,880
kind words.
Like I still have all of the

1177
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,440
letters somewhere in a
scrapbook.

1178
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,440
I got a couple of like random
like Knick knacks or plushies

1179
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,120
and stuff.
It was mainly a lot of really

1180
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,280
sweet letters of encouragement
saying where who they were and

1181
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,200
where they were from and like
what how they found out and that

1182
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,600
they were like wishing me well
wishes.

1183
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,560
And some of them were really
long, some of them short.

1184
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,200
But it was just like, it was
something to do while I could,

1185
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,360
like, you know, because my mom
didn't want me walking around

1186
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,520
the house like, while they were
gone, like, while I could

1187
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,120
barely, you know, walk because I
definitely fell down quite a

1188
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:17,040
bit.
I was going to say, you were

1189
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,320
still walking while they were
gone, weren't you?

1190
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:19,600
Yeah.
Oh yeah?

1191
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,320
Oh.
She put the snacks downstairs.

1192
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:27,080
I'm home alone and bored.
Cookie would not have done that.

1193
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,200
No, no, no, no.
There were cosmic brownies

1194
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:33,440
downstairs too.
So I was just like, Dang, so I

1195
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:37,160
would like get on my butt and
scoop, but I I would in as I got

1196
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,520
more confident wonder which was
a false sense of confidence.

1197
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,120
I definitely thought I could
walk down the stairs.

1198
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,120
That's a smart.
Idea Oh, did you end up going

1199
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,120
down the stairs?
Like on my butt, it was never

1200
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,000
anything like that.
I never had like a really bad

1201
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,400
fall or anything.
Right around the same time, like

1202
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:51,200
my grandpa was getting like a
cane too.

1203
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,920
And I was just like, dude, you
got to use yours if I'm going to

1204
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,480
use my cane buddies.
Yeah, exactly.

1205
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:59,280
So no, it was good.
It was good.

1206
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,560
But yeah, the letters were so
sweet.

1207
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,840
And it was just like, once
again, like a really like sweet,

1208
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:08,360
like humans are good, people are
good, like 90% of the world is

1209
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:12,120
just like human.
So it was like a really good

1210
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,040
like reminder of that too and
stuff.

1211
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,480
So.
That's a trip.

1212
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,520
Yeah, it was a short and long
part of my life.

1213
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,240
Like it felt long.
But then I think about it now

1214
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,640
I'm like, oh, it's really only
like a year or two that I was

1215
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,520
like going, really going through
it.

1216
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,680
So it's like, I'm very thankful
for like everything that led to

1217
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,440
it because if I wouldn't have
had the issue with the leg, I

1218
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,680
wouldn't have decided that I
really wanted to like go to the

1219
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:38,360
gym and try to like get full
mobility back and really got

1220
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:41,040
into the gym.
And then I discovered

1221
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,040
powerlifting.
And then I really got into

1222
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,440
powerlifting, which is How I Met
my boyfriend.

1223
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:49,320
And I mean, it's like goes back
to like all of those little

1224
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,160
things that add up.
If you trace it back, it leads

1225
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:53,800
up to like all of this awesome
stuff.

1226
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,880
So it's like everything happens
for a reason and I genuinely

1227
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,680
feel that way.
So it's like you don't know what

1228
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:00,520
why it's happening in the
moment, but.

1229
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:03,560
That was the episode I had
another power lifter on, and

1230
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,800
that's when he reached.
Out.

1231
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,200
So how like how deep are you in
that world?

1232
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,440
Is that something you do a lot
of?

1233
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,080
Yeah, I, I mean, yeah.
So I mean, it was like my whole

1234
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,840
life, for a really long time, I,
I didn't know how to like

1235
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,200
connect both of my things.
So it was always like a

1236
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,760
full-fledged art, full-fledged
like gym back and forth.

1237
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,120
And now it's kind of come to a
really happy like balance of

1238
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:32,600
everything.
And I, I did powerlifting like

1239
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,400
kind of on my own for a little
bit.

1240
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,400
And then when I met my
boyfriend, I got into the

1241
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,840
equipped side of it, which is
like you use like a shirt or

1242
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,760
like breeze or a suit to like
that helps you with the weight

1243
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,480
and it can help you with like a
lot or a little.

1244
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,960
And there's multiple different
like steps leading up, so it can

1245
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,520
be single ply multiply.
So what is it again?

1246
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:56,160
I missed it.
What?

1247
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Is it, it's called like a quip
lifting.

1248
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,880
So it's like they call it a quip
lifting because you wear like

1249
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,560
equipment.
So it's like you can have a

1250
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,320
bench shirt on and it helps you
like a good amount, but you need

1251
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:09,400
to learn to.
Work it, I see OK.

1252
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,000
Yeah.
So instead of just being like,

1253
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,160
oh, like knee sleeves and like
you're just doing it like

1254
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:17,840
completely raw, like it's more
like you have like the

1255
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,200
assistance of the equipment.
But if you know, if you don't

1256
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:23,560
know how to work the equipment,
it'll turn it into like a no

1257
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:26,800
lift really, really quickly.
But he taught me that and I was

1258
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,560
able to go.
I got to set a couple of

1259
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,600
national records and I had that
experience.

1260
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:35,520
So then met some friends that
got really into strongman and

1261
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,080
now I love strongman too, just
as equally.

1262
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:43,240
So it's a big part of our lives
for sure, more his so than

1263
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:46,080
anything.
He's more of the impressive 1 in

1264
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,240
in that book.
He's got a couple of all time

1265
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:54,320
world records.
So his he's got 1124 LB squat at

1266
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:58,120
220 lbs body weight, which is
wow, the most anyone has ever

1267
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,160
done at that body weight in the
world.

1268
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,000
So he's impressive too.
Yeah, that's amazing.

1269
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:05,160
So I genuinely, I really like
going.

1270
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,480
I get the most anxiety that I've
ever had in my entire life at

1271
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,920
his meets, but I really like
going and supporting him more

1272
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:15,520
than I have like a insane urge
to compete anymore.

1273
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,840
I love competing, but I also
love saving my body and being

1274
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,960
healthy.
Yeah, that's the scary part

1275
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,840
about that realm long term,
right?

1276
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,920
Like you, you see, you see that
there's a there's a dude on

1277
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,560
social media right now doing
that right was a power lifter

1278
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,400
and now is lifting in a
different way to try to extend

1279
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,480
or repair his body.
Makes sense?

1280
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,800
I I can't remember his name, but
I saw that recently I.

1281
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:45,480
Wonder, I wonder who it was.
I'd be curious.

1282
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:46,240
It's.
Super interesting.

1283
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,680
I can look it up after the show.
I'm sure it's, I'm sure it's in

1284
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:51,880
my liked videos somewhere.
But yeah, that's the that's the

1285
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,880
scary thing about that man.
You think about squatting that,

1286
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:59,040
that much is insane to me.
The most I ever had on my back

1287
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,400
was I think 4:50, and I was
really, really happy with that.

1288
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,200
I'd maybe love to work up to
like a five £500 squat, but I

1289
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,360
feel like I would just be like
happy to shut it down there

1290
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,600
eventually and just be like, OK,
I'm retired.

1291
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,640
OK, well if you're aiming for
500, don't settle yourself short

1292
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,240
in here.
It sounds like you're still

1293
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:20,400
working towards some goals.
I yeah, no, absolutely.

1294
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:23,040
Bench is my baby.
I love, I love bench more than

1295
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,000
anything.
And obviously the other ones are

1296
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,480
involved like with lower body,
which I still have like some

1297
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,400
like, you know, minor deficit
issues with.

1298
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,280
So it's like that's where that
one like absolutely is like my

1299
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,840
favorite thing.
And yeah, I just was, I was

1300
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:39,840
surrounded by so many people
that are just like always

1301
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,920
willing to like help.
And it's in teach you.

1302
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:46,840
And, you know, we've got a
really great strongman crew up

1303
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,240
in Oshkosh that we go train with
like almost every Saturday that

1304
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,400
we can.
And it's just so nice.

1305
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,200
And they're all like almost like
my best friends, a pro level

1306
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,480
athlete and she's going to
natural worlds in Scotland and

1307
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,080
she went last year to Ireland.
And it's just like super cool to

1308
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:03,440
see.
Like I love supporting everybody

1309
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,400
else too.
And I love the actual act of

1310
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,760
lifting.
But like, I think competing is

1311
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,440
slowly like dying off for me,
which is totally OK because like

1312
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,120
I said, I'll save my.
Yeah, Yeah.

1313
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,200
Well, it and it probably
changes, right.

1314
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,160
If you're, if you like the act
of lifting, you probably enjoy

1315
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,520
getting to the new goals.
So you're going to keep working

1316
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,600
on that.
What what is I mean competing

1317
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,520
has to be far different mindset
that like what you you prepare

1318
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,760
and is this most like one Rep
Maxis is that like OK.

1319
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,880
Strongman's a little different.
It can vary like so much, which

1320
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:41,000
is.
Kind of the thing where they put

1321
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,480
the rocks on top of the the
poles and throw the kegs over

1322
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,120
the things and stuff, right?
Yeah, it's.

1323
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,200
Just so much fun.
You should come down to Walleye

1324
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,600
Weekend in Fond du Lac in June.
It's our friends are hosting.

1325
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:54,960
It's it's a strongman
competition at Walleye Weekend

1326
01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,480
and they'll be like semi truck
pull.

1327
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,440
There should be Atlas stones for
reps and there should be car

1328
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,040
deadlift.
So.

1329
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:03,080
Car.
Deadlift.

1330
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,800
Yeah.
It's fun.

1331
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,120
We did it last weekend.
It was interesting.

1332
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,200
It's definitely very different.
Yeah.

1333
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:11,760
But it's, it's, it's a really
good time and it's so fun to

1334
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,600
watch.
Yeah, that stuff is

1335
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:15,440
entertaining.
I had a very good friend of mine

1336
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,080
that I went to high school with
that did bodybuilding for a long

1337
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,560
time.
And then I can't remember

1338
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,760
exactly when he transitioned to
more like the strongman

1339
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,400
powerlifting side of things.
And I've completely lost contact

1340
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,320
to him.
I haven't talked to him in

1341
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,040
probably 10 years, but I I still
like he's one of those people

1342
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,640
that I see his stuff on social
media and I click the like to

1343
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:34,840
support and everything like
that.

1344
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,760
But it's always just it like his
training was fun to watch, but

1345
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,760
like, the things that he was
doing to be good at the things

1346
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,760
he wanted to do always
fascinated me.

1347
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:45,920
Oh, yeah.
Like, I mean, I guess they put

1348
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,000
on TV for a reason.
Like it's very visual hoist and

1349
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,080
the big stone up on top of the
thing and.

1350
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,760
It's so much fun.
I love stones.

1351
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,240
I know a lot of people don't
like them, but I really like

1352
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,200
them.
I have to be in the right

1353
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:00,000
mindset for them though, because
otherwise it's just like not

1354
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,080
happening.
But I, I mean, we've got stones

1355
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,760
all up there and stuff and they
have to.

1356
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,600
They just have everything like
you, every event that you can

1357
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,920
imagine, because strongman like
it switches out, like every meet

1358
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,200
is going to be a different
event.

1359
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,200
It's going to be a different
way.

1360
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,920
It's going to be either one Rep
Max or it could be multiple reps

1361
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,600
of a certain weight.
It just, it varies so much,

1362
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,160
which is why I think I like
competing that even though I'm

1363
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,880
not as good at that, is because
it's just different every single

1364
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:28,240
time.
Whereas like a powerlifting meet

1365
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,279
and like OK, you get 3 attempts
at squat, 3 attempted bench, 3

1366
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:34,279
attempts at deadlift.
And the great thing is with

1367
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:35,920
power.
So with powerlifting, if you

1368
01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:39,439
completely fail and don't get
any of your attempts on squat,

1369
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:40,800
you're bombed out of the whole
meet.

1370
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,040
You're not getting the score.
Strong men, you could literally

1371
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:49,680
only get, you know, something on
one event and you're still,

1372
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,200
you're not like disqualified,
you know what I mean?

1373
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,720
Right, it's like a group score
of different activities.

1374
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The scoring is very different,

1375
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:59,800
but I, I mean, I like them both.
I've been doing a lot of like

1376
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:04,520
bench only meats for the last
like year for powerlifting, but

1377
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,800
it's always for like there's a
lot of meats out there that are

1378
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:16,160
like a, for like a that, like a
relentless is 1.

1379
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,000
It's for a fundraiser.
So it's like for something, it's

1380
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,640
like, for something good.
So like even if you suck, like

1381
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,840
it's for a good cause.
And every athlete for that one

1382
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,760
our friends hosted out of
Minnesota's relentless Minnesota

1383
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:32,520
and it goes to kids with
terminal illnesses and you get

1384
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:37,680
paired up with a kid and that
kid is like your sponsor kid and

1385
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:42,120
you can choose to go meet them,
bring them something whatnot was

1386
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:43,520
staying in the Ronald McDonald
House.

1387
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,560
We actually got the same me and
my boyfriend got the same one

1388
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,800
because they were like, we
actually have more lifters than

1389
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,880
we have kids, which is amazing
because that's that's like

1390
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,560
unheard of.
Like usually each lifter got a

1391
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,160
kid and they were actually
struggling to find kids to pair

1392
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,720
up with lifters because there
was just so many lifters and not

1393
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:01,760
many kids with the terminal
illnesses, which is really,

1394
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,680
really good.
And it was super awesome.

1395
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:09,720
Each everybody's entry fee as an
athlete is a $500 donation.

1396
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,440
So you can fundraise for it or
you can donate it all yourself,

1397
01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:14,680
but that's the entry fee is the
$500 donation.

1398
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,400
And they raise a lot of money
for the Hope for Kids Foundation

1399
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,360
every year.
So I like doing those ones where

1400
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,080
it's just like, oh, there's
something behind it.

1401
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:22,920
Yeah, there's a mission behind
it.

1402
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,000
There's the why.
Yes.

1403
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,880
That you do to do.
Yeah, man, I couldn't be more

1404
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,160
opposite.
The only thing I like about

1405
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,360
picking up heavy things is when
I'm done with it, how my brain

1406
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,400
feels.
I only do it for that reason.

1407
01:10:33,480 --> 01:10:34,760
It does.
Yeah.

1408
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,360
You know, try hyrox or
something.

1409
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,000
What's Hyrox?
Oh, that's like the new trending

1410
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,360
1.
So like how CrossFit was super

1411
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:43,320
super trendy now Hyroxes are
super super very.

1412
01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,560
I feel like Crossfitters will be
mad if I say it's super similar

1413
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,760
to CrossFit.
But like, I don't want to, I

1414
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:53,680
don't want to fight them.
No, but Crossfitters are built

1415
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,280
different.
I could never do that many

1416
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:59,040
burpees, but it's like it's very
similar.

1417
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,760
Like I think it's a lot of like
a cardio based stuff.

1418
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,720
So it's still looks.
Like active running around at

1419
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,000
different stations type thing.
Yeah.

1420
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,840
So it's it's similar, but I
think it's taken, it's taking

1421
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:10,200
off.
It's definitely getting more

1422
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:12,680
popular.
So it's not quite as much like

1423
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,680
lifting and it's a lot more like
activity based sort of stuff.

1424
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,000
Very highly competitive.
There's somebody from one gym

1425
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,920
that has been doing them pretty
regularly.

1426
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,560
It's fun to watch, it's
training, it's intense, it's a

1427
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,200
lot of running.
I'm sure.

1428
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:32,800
Yeah, I don't know the the these
days like I I, I do enjoy

1429
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,520
working out, but it's always the
end.

1430
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,640
Like I enjoy the the feeling of
accomplishment, the feeling of

1431
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,000
mental clarity that like all of
that stuff in the moment, I'm

1432
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,680
just like, this sucks.
Like I don't want to.

1433
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,480
I'm not going to choose to do
most of these things.

1434
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:50,240
You.
Got to change your.

1435
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,120
Mind except yoga I love yoga
except yoga yoga I choose to do

1436
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:57,080
all the time it's.
It's all that one's just good

1437
01:11:57,080 --> 01:11:58,880
for you.
Like mentally through the

1438
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,480
entirety of it, yeah.
I like the community around like

1439
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:07,480
the strength sports because it's
usually pretty like encouraging

1440
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:11,800
and everyone's super nice and
helpful and great with like

1441
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,880
teaching you and you're you're
always going to be able to like

1442
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,320
learn a new thing to or get
like, you know, advice that's

1443
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,440
solicited that you want you
need.

1444
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,520
It's really good.
And it's fun.

1445
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,040
It's just fun to talk with
people that get obsessed about

1446
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,720
stuff.
And that's just another thing

1447
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,640
that like, you know, the group
of people that do it get

1448
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,080
obsessed with it.
And it's fun to see people

1449
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,920
passionate about things.
It's, it's just that it makes

1450
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,600
it, it makes conversation fun,
whether you do it or not.

1451
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,400
For me, like, I mean, I've had
people on the pod that I, I

1452
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,080
mean, I don't know anything
about making ceramics.

1453
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,120
You're a perfect example.
I made that one in middle

1454
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,480
school.
But it's fun to see people that

1455
01:12:47,480 --> 01:12:51,840
care about what they do do it
and hear about why, because it's

1456
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,360
usually, a lot of times it's not
about the thing, it's about what

1457
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:57,600
the thing provides them.
Yes.

1458
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,040
And it's, you know, you can find
that everywhere in life.

1459
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:03,400
And I think the more we can
share it, the more we realize,

1460
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,840
like, oh, we incentivize people
to find their thing, whatever it

1461
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,040
is, you know what I mean?
Yeah, and it, and I mean, that's

1462
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,800
why I think it's so important to
try so many things like, and I

1463
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,920
mean that's where like the
artisan center comes in.

1464
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,440
It's like great, because they
they don't do just pottery.

1465
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:23,760
They've got wood turning,
they've got medals and glass and

1466
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,000
sewing and it's just like you
can find your thing.

1467
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,720
You need to know where to like
look to be able to try and

1468
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:31,360
stuff, but like you can find
your thing.

1469
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,760
Yeah.
So it's like, it's great in that

1470
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,920
sense.
Everyone, I think, should find

1471
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:42,240
their thing, even if it's just
like a little like hobby that

1472
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:48,720
they do on the side or something
like don't let not having like,

1473
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:50,600
you know, the perfect job that
you want.

1474
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,200
Like, you know, that's like just
what pays the bills.

1475
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,280
Come home and do what like, you
love and like, find something

1476
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,720
like that.
Yeah.

1477
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,520
And I think that's important for
everyone.

1478
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:04,920
So do I absolutely.
I I feel very fortunate all the

1479
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,960
time that that comes pretty like
innate.

1480
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,400
I'm a serial hobbyist.
I like doing I like I like

1481
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:15,120
learning how to do things and I
like learning like processes.

1482
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,680
So like from one time, this is a
great example of my wife and I

1483
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,920
were living in the UP at one
time and I didn't tell her

1484
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,360
anything and I drove to this
place in the middle of nowhere

1485
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,720
UP and I got this Maple syrup
equipment that I'm going to

1486
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,640
start making Maple syrup.
And I come like I come driving

1487
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,680
in the driveway and like the
face like about a million times

1488
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,960
of doing like what now?
What are we doing?

1489
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,200
And I still do it to this day.
But like that thing, I feel

1490
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,280
grateful for all the time that
I'm compelled to do that and

1491
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:51,520
like drawn to learning new
things because you do it.

1492
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,480
It's such an important part of
life to like do a host of

1493
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:57,520
different things, whether it's
distract yourself from

1494
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:01,120
something, which can be OK
sometimes, whether it is find a

1495
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:05,440
passion, whether it's connect
with people or the world in a

1496
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,040
different way.
There's so many different things

1497
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,520
that like, you never get
exposure to if you don't step

1498
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,800
outside of your comfort zone and
give it a shot.

1499
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:16,320
Yeah, I want to try stained
glass.

1500
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,000
That's my.
That's my bucket list.

1501
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,640
Oh, stained glass is so
beautiful, I know.

1502
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,600
It looks cool.
It looks difficult.

1503
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,840
It does look I wouldn't even
know what the first thing to

1504
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,360
start is.
It's like I I've watched a ton

1505
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,200
of glass blowing videos.
Those are cool too.

1506
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:33,960
There's a shop that does that up
in Dora County.

1507
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:38,640
There's like 1 main guy up there
that would be cool too.

1508
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,120
I don't know the glass anything
that's like very different than

1509
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,080
like the the ceramics.
I was never good, really great

1510
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,440
at drawing or painting or
anything.

1511
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,480
I like the act of doing it, but
you're never going to get

1512
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:49,680
anything good out of me from
that.

1513
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:53,960
But I think like the the like
total like opposite of stuff

1514
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,440
like the stained glass would be
cool.

1515
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:57,800
It's like I know you cut the
pieces, but like even figuring

1516
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,240
out how they fit together and
stuff.

1517
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:00,640
I'm like that just sounds so
cool.

1518
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:03,440
I know there's a lady up in
Swamaco that teaches it.

1519
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,240
I got to got to figure out when
I can get up there seems.

1520
01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,320
Like people would pay up for
stained glass too.

1521
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,440
I would.
I've done some wonderful trades

1522
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,400
for stained glass.
There's a girl Aquamarines Co in

1523
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,480
Appleton I traded her a mug for.
She makes these cute little

1524
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:24,920
window hangings with a
propagation tube in them for

1525
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,760
plants and it was so cute.
That was like one of my favorite

1526
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,960
trades that I've done.
OK, hanging from like some like

1527
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,160
a.
It's just on my window it like

1528
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,320
suction cups to.
The oh it suctions on OK.

1529
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:37,800
Or like you get one of those
suction cup hangers and it

1530
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,960
suction cups onto the window and
then you hang the stained glass

1531
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,960
thing on it and it's got little
obligation to be filled with

1532
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:44,920
water and you can put your your
leaf in there.

1533
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,720
That's the best part about art.
Art is whatever you want it to.

1534
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:50,920
Be Oh yeah, 100%.
Like if you can create, if you

1535
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,400
can get it up here in your brain
and you can make it come to

1536
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,640
life, it's it's art no matter
what.

1537
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,520
Yeah, except for some of those
things like where like, you

1538
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:03,560
know, you'll see.
I what was the one the other

1539
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:07,800
day?
Oh, a dude had this like stack

1540
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,120
of.
I can't remember if they were

1541
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,000
tails or boxes.
Oh, I know exactly what you're

1542
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,080
talking.
And the whole art thing was him

1543
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:21,400
pushing it over I.
Know so like performative or

1544
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,640
what I saw a lot of that in New
York.

1545
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,640
We went for two weeks with the
this with Green Bay and we got

1546
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,120
to see a lot of like stuff that
you just look at it and you're

1547
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,160
like this isn't a museum yeah
this isn't the Museum of Modern

1548
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,240
art yeah and like it's
subjective right like art is

1549
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:42,800
completely subjective.
So I mean deserve their to to be

1550
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,520
there just as much as, you know,
Starry night maybe.

1551
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,920
Yeah, I get what you're saying
though.

1552
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,080
Like it's the concept of his
subjective The guy that pushed

1553
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:58,080
over the bins maybe has a really
cool story about what that

1554
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,000
means, and that's the actual
art.

1555
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,680
But that one social media clip
gives art a bad name.

1556
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,440
Yeah, Well, and I think what
would be contemporary art, who

1557
01:18:08,440 --> 01:18:11,000
would be considered?
I could have completely gotten

1558
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,520
that wrong.
But I mean, even like, just

1559
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:18,360
subjectively, like I posted my
old work, like from college

1560
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:22,240
where it's just like, you know,
very lumpy pots and the glaze is

1561
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,080
really, really drippy and runny.
And people were commenting

1562
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:27,880
saying they liked it better than
some of my current stuff.

1563
01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:30,080
Like, all right, well, that's
totally fine.

1564
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:33,200
But if you want to come get the
boxes of it out of my basement,

1565
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,120
you can have it because there
are totes.

1566
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,040
Hey, there's market, put a price
on it.

1567
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,320
I know I was debating we have a
garage sale in our neighborhood

1568
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:42,880
this weekend.
I was debating just putting

1569
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,880
everything out there and be like
free pottery.

1570
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,600
So we'll see, we'll see if I can
get the the totes up out of the

1571
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:50,480
basement for that you'll.
Probably find takers.

1572
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,400
Yeah.
Oh, 100% free.

1573
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:55,760
Absolutely, yeah.
Free 99 will get a lot of people

1574
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,920
running around.
Oh yeah, 100%.

1575
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:00,120
Well, it was great hearing some
of your story, Lindsay.

1576
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,400
Thank you for coming on, sharing
some of it.

1577
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:06,200
Keep up the good work.
I guess before we go, I'm going

1578
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:07,960
to link all your stuff so we
don't have to run through all

1579
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,000
that.
But let's if if someone was

1580
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,600
going to get one piece from you,
what would it be?

1581
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,320
What would you say that they
should get?

1582
01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:22,240
I think that a, you need to be
able to find your way to create

1583
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,200
stuff.
Just always keep making stuff.

1584
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:28,080
And if you want that to be your
business, that you want that to

1585
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,480
be your life.
There are so many races,

1586
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,760
resources out there.
You just have to want it enough

1587
01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:38,040
and to like actually go for it
and if and you just need to

1588
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,280
surround the right yourself with
the right people to be able to

1589
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,400
keep moving forward with it.
Just don't let any negativity

1590
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:46,280
get you down.
That's awesome.

1591
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:48,920
I totally meant what someone
should buy from you and you took

1592
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,920
it that direction.
I think that paints you in in

1593
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:53,360
such a beautiful light.
What a great way to end.

1594
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:58,040
Sure, by my art too.
Thanks for coming.

1595
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,720
Yeah, thank you for having me.
That's funny.

1596
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,080
I totally took it the other way.
I'm like, oh, like if you want

1597
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,440
to get like some advice, sure.