Lauren Griepentrog - Balancing Goals and Life, Peru, and Adoption Stories - Episode #78

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What's up friends?
Welcome back to Rooter

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Wisconsin.
Appreciate you for clicking

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another episode.
Always grateful to have you

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here.
Today's episode is with Lauren

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Grepentrog, photographer, social
media marketer.

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She's the owner of Lauren
McKenzie Photography.

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Fascinating conversation.
She just got back from Peru a

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while ago.
We talked about her path to

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photography.
She started out in college as a

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physical therapy major, worked
as a personal trainer for a

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while, and then dove head 1st
and didn't look back into

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photography.
And she's done an awesome job of

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it.
Lauren, just a great human,

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great conversation.
We talked about what it's like

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when she chose photography.
At first, her parents weren't

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fully on board with it.
We talked about working as a

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photographer and a creative.
Her trip to Peru recently, we

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get into that and Lauren and I
share another thing in common.

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We're both adopted, so we talked
about adoption towards the end

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of the episode and a whole lot
more as well.

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Great stuff.
Happy to have you here for it.

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Let's hop into a fun
conversation with Lauren

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Grypentrach.
again.

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Do you?
I know you travel a lot from

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work.
Do you try to thrift when you do

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that too?
Yeah.

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Oh, yeah, Chicago's like the the
goldmine for thrifting for sure,

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especially in like the different
neighborhoods.

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But yeah, if I go to Colorado or
like I was just in Boston last

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weekend and I always save room
in my suitcase for that.

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And I feel like, I don't know,
it's just like, it's nice to be

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more like environmentally aware
of, like, clothing and stuff.

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And I think over consumerism is
like, super bad right now.

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And I know I fall into that
category in certain ways, but

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like, whatever I can do to, you
know, not be like that.

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I try to but yeah.
We all do.

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I feel the same way.
It's weird.

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So, you know, marketing person
developed into this thing that,

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you know, looks at consumerism
in a different way.

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And I completely agree.
Like the the concept of how

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clothe buying happens is is
really kind of like fed to us,

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you know, and then there's
marketing that happens all

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around it.
And we had a really robust

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discussion this week about like,
you know, speed $500 boots, like

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what makes $500.
Boots the label.

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Yeah, the label.
Yeah, it is sucks.

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And it's all Brandon, Yeah.
It's crazy.

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And like over time, like you
look at these brands and the

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pricing just goes up and up and
up and up and up to compensate

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for, you know, competitors and
inflation.

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And it's just like it's.
I have to draw the line.

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At.
A certain point, you know, like

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I pretty much workout clothes
are the only clothes I'll buy

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like new.
But if I can thrift something,

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I'll try to do that.
And it's not even like when I a

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few years ago, it was more of
like, well, I need to thrift.

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You know, I was like on on a
budget when I lived in Milwaukee

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like in my early 20s.
But now it's just like, it's

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just like the resourceful thing
to do and makes me feel better,

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but.
Absolutely.

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And the little choices we can
make because like, if it's

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something someone gets super
passionate about, it's super

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daunting.
And you move off the grid, you,

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you don't do anything.
Like there's that dude in

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Wisconsin right now.
Did you see him?

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He is foraging his food for an
entire year, so he's going to

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come on the pod.
Really.

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Yeah.
But I have to like when he's in

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Green Bay, I have to try to get
him here because I'm guessing

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like travel is probably even
unique for him because I don't

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know if he travels normally or,
or does something with that.

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But yeah, I've been in.
I I can't wait to.

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Talk.
Yeah, that's actually really

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cool.
It's going to be a cool episode,

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but yeah, like, that's so
intense.

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You know, most people were in
this system of like, I mean,

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he's, he's having a documentary
and people follow him for a

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reason.
Like it's a pretty wild thing to

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do.
But like small changes, they

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over the, you know, they spread
and grow and do different

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things.
And I don't know there, there's

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a lot of different things we do
in life to just like be

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comfortable when we lay our head
on the pillow at night.

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Exactly.
In little micro, like micro

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habits, they always say, like
when I was a personal trainer, I

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would always tell my clients
like you can't realistically,

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like you cannot change
everything at once.

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You know, you can try, but it's
not sustainable.

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Like just building micro habits,
like, hey, let's eat a better

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breakfast every morning.
Like don't if you don't make it

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to the gym this week, fine.
But as long as you stick to a

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healthy breakfast every morning,
that's great.

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And it's just like all the micro
habits compound into just a

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better lifestyle eventually.
Yeah, the snowball effect.

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Start with one thing.
I saw that somebody posted

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something on LinkedIn yesterday
and sometime that gets a little

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fluffy for me, but it was a good
one.

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It was like, start with one
word, like change one word in

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your profile and it was that
same concept, right?

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You start at this thing and go.
It's funny.

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That's a good way to start the
show because that's actually how

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we met.
I had like a week before it.

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It's such a funny story.
I had hurt my back.

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During.
The week before you and I met at

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the Yi was doing kettle bells.
I don't think I ever even told

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you that about that part of it.
But like a week beforehand I was

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doing kettlebell swings and I
got done and I'm like, Oh my

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goodness, I must have went too
heavy.

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Like my back hurts and I'm not
like talk to people at the gym

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person.
Yeah, I just kind of go there,

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get my thing done.
I've since cancelled my Y

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membership and I put a sauna in
my basement so.

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Oh nice.
Talk to people at the gym.

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Person.
I was going to say I haven't

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seen you there in a while.
Yeah, we cancelled our

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membership.
My little dude stopped going,

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and my wife would bring him
there the majority of the time

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for like a midday play,
socialized, signature workout.

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It worked out awesome.
But then it just evolved to it,

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you know, we didn't need the
membership anymore.

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But I missed the sauna, so I was
like, OK, we're going to do

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this.
I got to get a sauna, but week

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beforehand I had hurt my back
doing kettlebell swings and you

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were in there monstering out.
It was like, it was like the 50

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LB kettlebell or something.
It was a lot.

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And you were just crushing
kettle bells and I'm like, OK, I

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just hurt my back.
I got to ask.

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I'm like, that's a ton.
And you helped me out.

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You showed me the form and
stuff.

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I still don't do them very much
because I don't think I have it

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down, but that's that's a funny
story of how.

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We know that literally is so
funny.

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And you're probably like, who's
this dude?

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Yeah, right.
No one wants to be talked to at

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the gym either, but I had to
know.

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But you know what, it's almost
like I feel like kettlebell and

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like functional strength
training is like coming back

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now.
Like it's more popular for

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people.
Like do you know who sebum is?

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No, sebum is like Chris Bum
said.

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He's like a huge bodybuilder,
like Mr. Olympus numerous years

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in a row like.
I do know who.

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This is yes, he has his own
energy drink brand, but he

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recently posted that he's like
going to stop doing so much

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bodybuilding and work on like
functional movement and like

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functional strength training.
But anyways, kettle bells are

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like one of the biggest vessels
to accomplish that.

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And as trainers, like we see so
many people using them wrong.

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And like, you can seriously hurt
yourself.

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Like a lot of people do overhead
stuff with the kettle bells.

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And like, if you don't hold it
correctly, like you could hurt

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your wrist and like, swings,
it's really easy to hurt your

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back and like, upper back, lower
back, hamstrings.

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So it's like, I'm glad, I'm glad
when people ask, you know, about

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that because it's like, OK, I
know that like, you could

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actually hurt yourself.
Absolutely.

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Well, that's a lot of momentum
swinging.

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Around.
Yeah, that's actually one of my

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favorite things to do.
Like the full snatch all the way

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to the top.
And flip around the.

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Back I do it and just about
every workout actually is even

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like a warm up depending on how
much weight I do Yeah, it's it's

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like that's pretty much where
I've transitioned to two.

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There's a There's a time in my
life where I told myself I was

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never going to lift weights
again, Like after I stopped

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playing football I never liked.
It I was like God.

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This is terrible.
Because it's like you're forced

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to do it.
Like, yeah.

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Yeah.
And then now I just do, that's

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kind of what I'm thinking about.
I don't like, I've never like

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made that connection, but I'm
just like, I just want to be

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able to do the things that I
like for longer.

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Yeah, exactly.
And that's like the whole

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mentality of yeah, functional
strength training and how, like,

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flexibility is more important
than having huge biceps.

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You know, like, eventually it's
like, OK, there's certain muscle

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groups that like are more
important than others, even

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though they're not like visually
making a difference, you know

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what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely.

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It's the little things that
matter, like the little muscle

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groups, but.
For sure.

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Do you do?
Do you do yoga at all?

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Are you a yoga person?
Not really.

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Like every once in a while if
someone asked me to go to yoga,

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I'll go.
I could be a lot better about

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stretching, like a lot better.
Nobody's perfect.

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But I don't know, I feel like
for a while I like didn't want

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to go to yoga because in my head
I thought, Oh, it's not I'm not

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sweating, you know, I'm not
really getting a good workout

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in.
So it was something, you know,

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in my head I'm like, I don't
really want to pay for that,

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whatever.
But it is something that I've

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thought about recently of like
probably be probably be a good

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idea to get into, but I'm trying
to be better about stretching

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When I like summers, I run a lot
and you have to be good about

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stretching before and after
running.

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Like you learn that the hard
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So yoga?
Not really.

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I've gotten into Pilates a tiny
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One of my good friends is a
Pilates instructor, so I'll go

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to her classes every once in a
while and I think that's pretty

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fun.
Just like body weight stuff, you

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can still get a good burn in,
which is nice, but it's fun to

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switch it up.
You know you get bored with the

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same lifts every week or running
the same mileage, or you know

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you get bored so you got to
switch it up.

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Yeah, Anything stagnant.
I've I've fallen in love with

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yoga.
I do it all the time.

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Yeah, it's so good.
And it's not even really for the

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workout.
It's more for my brain.

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It's meditational, yeah.
So good, I found this YouTube

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page I really like 'cause like I
thought the same.

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Like I don't know that I've ever
paid to go to a yoga class.

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I don't think I have.
I did a couple of the why ones

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when I was there.
They had like the Friday

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sessions that were pretty good.
She was a good instructor, but I

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found this one on YouTube.
It's called Boho Beautiful and

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like she's such like it's so
calming.

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And I think she's a former like
sprinter or something in Canada.

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And like she does crazy stuff.
I like stay towards the like

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beginner level but like I feel
so good mentally on the days

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that I do it.
Yeah, it's just a reset.

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Do you do it in the morning or?
Whenever I can fit it in.

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Yeah, ideally, if I had my
perfect world, which is going to

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shift a little bit as my son
ages.

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Right now I do the mornings with
him and that takes precedence.

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But ideally I would like to like
sunrise yoga on my back patio.

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Yeah, everyday get the the sun
started yoga and my body like

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moving.
Yeah, but that's not how it

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works right now.
So right now it's a walk in the

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morning.
Yeah.

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And then which is still good.
It is.

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Yeah.
And that kind of centers me too.

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But yeah, whenever I can fit it
in throughout the day, and it's

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kind of nice because it's not
something that gets you all

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sweaty, that you have to like,
read, enter your day.

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You can just pop it in.
Like I wear joggers most of my

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days and just like I can.
Just do your yoggers.

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Yeah, it's great.
It's great.

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When I discovered joggers, my
wife taught me about them.

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I used to wear jeans all the
time.

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I like dress pants.
I went straight down and and

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like the button up and stuff.
And as soon as I found joggers,

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my my casualness kind of went
up.

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Completely worth it there.
I mean, come on, the olive

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green.
I think they were I.

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Think they were?
Yeah.

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They go with everything.
So cool that we started talking

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there because that's probably
going to be quite of a bit of

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our conversation today.
Like started very interested in

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it wasn't even personal training
at the beginning, right?

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Wasn't it physical therapy?
Yes, the original plan was

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physical therapy.
Studied exercise science in

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school, and I just hit a point I
almost don't know how to explain

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it in a certain way.
Like, personally, my life was

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changing a lot at the time, like
college years.

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You know, I started thinking
more about why did I want to be

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a physical therapist?
You know, I had a shoulder

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injury in high school, and two
of my cousins are physical

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therapist and I always kind of
looked up to them.

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They're all much older than me.
So I thought, oh, yeah, you

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know, that's a good job.
I could do that.

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And I just hit, I started doing
photography a little in college.

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I really liked it.
In the back of my head, I was

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like, maybe I want to do
something creative, you know?

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And then with exercise science,
I thought, well, I might as well

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just get a personal training
cert, you know, because I'm, you

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know, I'm qualified for it.
I'm really passionate about it.

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I love fitness.
I've always been super into it.

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And so, yeah, I worked at
Western Record for a while, I

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think before, before I met you.
I think so cuz it was at the Y

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so if you worked there you
probably had a free membership.

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So yeah.
So did that for about two years

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until my business took off
enough.

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But yeah, I, I've always been so
into fitness and I almost, I

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miss training.
I miss the people a ton.

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Like I still am in communication
with a good number of my

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clients, you know, because
they're just the people around

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this area that I became friends
with and saw everyday and talk

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to so much.
But I almost feel like my

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personal fitness and health has
gotten better since quitting

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because I have more time to
focus on myself.

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You know, I'm not worried about
12 other people's health every

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week and writing workouts.
Yeah, different regimens,

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different injuries, different
goals, different, you know,

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everything.
And it was just took such a

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mental toll after a while.
And when you're in the gym for

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sometimes 10 hours a day, I
don't want to work out.

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You know, I don't want to work
out.

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I don't even want to go like,
outside and run by the gym.

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I just don't.
I just want to forget about it,

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you know, So I feel like, and I
and I kept, I kept up with

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fitness, but it was hard, you
know, trying to find the

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motivation after being there an
entire day.

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I can imagine, like, I don't
know, chefs probably feel that

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like you, you're around food all
day.

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You kind of just aren't hungry
or like don't want it, but

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that's kind of how I felt when
training.

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Yeah, and a good friend of mine
is a chef and I think when I

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when he's on the podcast, I
can't remember exactly what he

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said, but he was like the best
meal you can make me is the one

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that you make.
Me.

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Yeah, seriously.
Like that was the concept.

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Yeah.
And it makes sense, right?

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And it's kind of like that care
between do you make your passion

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a job or not?
Because it changes the dynamic

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of it.
And really, I mean, if you

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identify the root of it,
supporting people like you get

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to do that now it's just in a
different way in something that

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is more of a release than
something like you're not going

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to.
I don't think most photographers

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walk around and take pictures
all day.

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Every day, yeah, exactly.
It's condensed to its timing,

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certain timing.
And then I get to the art

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happens in the editing.
And that's, I know a lot of,

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I've talked to a lot of
photographers who hate editing.

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I get it's, it's tedious and
it's takes a lot of time and you

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have to be very picky about it.
But I love that part of it.

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It's almost like how I'm
stimulated, like my brain

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throughout the day is editing.
And then it's just like where

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the creativity comes in of like
how, how do I take this picture

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that sometimes even, you know,
like I have an associate now

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that comes with me to weddings.
Her name's Sydney.

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And it's like, well, I'm not
Sydney.

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I didn't take the photo.
Usually I can take the photo and

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picture exactly how I want it to
look.

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So, you know, it's fun.
It's being able to look through

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a different gallery that aren't
mine and kind of still make it

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my own, you know?
So it's like, I don't know, I

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love it.
I love getting to be around the

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people and getting to direct and
having that role present during

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a shoot.
But then also I love being able

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to come home and just really
like get into the nitty gritty

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of editing and and like my art
style.

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That's good.
Yeah.

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Is it, do you think some of it
like I, I look for tasks like

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this and I think a lot of people
do where it's one of those like

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it's not really a brain shut off
task, but it's almost blinders

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because it's so focused that you
don't think about anything else

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in life.
Yep, Yep.

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I actually had a friend stay
with me for a while last year

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when I lived at my old place.
And every night I would just be

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on my computer, Click, click,
click.

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I'm just like tunnel vision on
my computer.

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But I could still have, we'd
still talk for hours.

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We'd be talking and having
conversations because in a way

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it's, it's repetitive in a way.
But like, I just get so zoned in

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that it's it's like nature to
me.

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It's like a second nature.
So I'm like able to have

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conversations outside of it
while I'm doing it sometimes,

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not all the time.
There are some albums that I

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just need to crank out and be
silent for, but yeah.

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It's nice because there's no
audio element like I I ended a

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lot of the podcast like sitting
next to my wife, but we don't

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get to have conversations I have
to be off of.

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It because I.
Have to like listen to where the

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cuts.
Are and stuff, so I have.

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To be it's almost, it'd be like
being in two conversations.

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So it's nice.
There's no audio element.

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I can see that it's just, it's
all visual.

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You're looking, but your body is
washed.

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Rinse, repeat on it.
So.

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Many times exactly.
But then again, social media is

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different.
I'm making reels for social

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media and there are some days
where if I'm with someone, I'm

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like, hey, I just give me 10
minutes.

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I just have to like throw
together an Instagram post quick

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and I'll be with the audio
trying to line it up to the

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video like like, oh, sorry, just
got to I'm turning it like as

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far down as I can, but I still
need to hear it.

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I'm just like, this sucks.
Like I should have done this

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earlier, you know, But yeah,
it's funny.

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Editing is like it's mindless
but it's also stimulating.

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I don't know how else to
describe it.

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Like, I love it.
Some of those tasks like that

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are meditative, like when I hurt
my foot playing basketball, I

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didn't realize that that was one
thing that I got from

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basketball.
Like when you're playing

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basketball, I never thought
about playing basketball, but I

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wasn't thinking about anything
else.

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It's just like this 2 hour
retreat from your brain.

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Yes.
That doesn't.

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Nothing else can come in because
there's no space you're still in

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tune with.
It.

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Yeah.
And you don't have to worry

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about anything else when you're
playing basketball.

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It's just about the game.
Yeah, you know, And I feel that

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way too about editing and that
part of my job.

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Yeah, Yeah, that's cool.
So one of the, one of the cooler

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like interesting parts of the
story that I, I see of yours is

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I think you mentioned this in a
class the first time, like when

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you came to speak to one of my
class the first time I found

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out, but that your parents
didn't particularly support your

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decision when you, when you made
the decision to say, physical

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therapy's probably not going to
be my path.

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And you forged ahead in, in
spite of that, I guess you would

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say like, put yourself back in
that moment.

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What's that like?
Yeah, and I love my parents Mom,

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if you're watching this, love
you and love my Instagram post

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Yeah, she's awesome.
She and like even now, you know,

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they, I think they've seen, they
see the vision now, you know,

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but putting myself in their
shoes, when you graduate from

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physical therapy school, you
have a job and you have a career

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and you have X amount of money
that you're going to make yes.

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And I could see from their point
of view.

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How scary it is to kind of say,
well, I'm not going to do that,

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You know, like screw that idea.
And I definitely, I'm a very

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spontaneous person.
I'm definitely a Spitfire.

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Like I don't know how they keep
up with me honestly, but I think

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in my head I just knew it would
work, you know, like I knew and

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I didn't even know when I ended
up not going to physical therapy

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school.
I didn't even think in my head

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like one day I'm going to be a
full time photographer and like

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have a successful business.
I didn't even think that.

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I just knew.
I knew I'd figure it out.

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You know, I'm scrappy and I just
knew I'd enjoy life more and not

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rehabbing people who just had
knee and hip surgeries all the

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time.
It's just like didn't sound fun

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to me after a while.
So I mean, it was hard, but I'm

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a very independent person.
I don't really need external

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validation, whether it's from
family or friends.

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Yes, it's nice.
And I think we all need it to a

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certain degree, even if we don't
want to admit it.

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But but I like that, you know,
it's my business and I built it.

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And I still remember my dad was
always like teaching me a lot

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about finances.
And that was like a huge talking

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point growing up of just, you
know, how to be smart

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financially.
And I'll never forget the day I

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bought my first professional
grade camera.

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I lived with my parents at the
time and my dad found the

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receipt and was like, he sat me
down and was like, this is a lot

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of money.
Like are you, what are you

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doing?
What are you doing?

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Just.
Terrified.

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I was like, I promise I'm doing
something.

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And it actually was crazy.
I had bought it because I was

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shooting like one of my first
weddings.

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And I was like, well, I'm just
going to buy a new camera for it

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to because my camera at the time
was actually one that I had

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borrowed from my mom for a
photography class in college.

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Like it just wasn't really like
my own.

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And I had bought lenses for it
over time, but I was like, no, I

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need something better.
So yeah, they, they stuck it

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out.
And since then, in the studio,

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my dad helped me build that
office wall.

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He took time out of his
Christmas vacation two years ago

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00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:27,960
to help me with that, which I
really appreciated.

450
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:30,840
And they're definitely like,
they see, I think they see the

451
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,960
vision.
You know what I mean?

452
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,160
Yeah.
As a as a parent, they're

453
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040
probably just more scared than
anything of, of you drifting off

454
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,920
into the unknown where something
was so written and prescribed

455
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,840
compared to not.
That's a great way.

456
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:45,200
That's such a great way to look
at it though.

457
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,560
It actually mirrors.
I'm wearing an arts fishing club

458
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,920
T-shirt.
For those just listening.

459
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,840
I had the lead singer of that
band on and he had a really

460
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,920
similar sentiment.
Like his view of it was, yeah,

461
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,440
it's going to be hard, but I
have 20 years to figure it out.

462
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Like, it might take me a little
while, but I'm going to figure

463
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,760
it out.
And that's such a great way to

464
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,280
look at life because you will
figure it out.

465
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,600
That was actually how I was
going to start the episode

466
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,480
today.
I was we we started talking

467
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,080
about something else.
So I didn't have to.

468
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:16,400
But I was scrolling reels for a
couple minutes this morning and

469
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,280
I saw this JJ Watt reel and I
was like, you know, Lauren kind

470
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,880
of takes the JJ Watt work
philosophy to the photography

471
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,120
world.
It.

472
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,080
Makes sense, right?
Like because you are I could

473
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,680
tell like talking with you come
to speak with you a couple of my

474
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,760
classes and stuff.
You're just a really hard worker

475
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:38,400
and it's kind of like the it's,
it's that what breeds that

476
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,160
confidence of all figure it out
because you know that you're

477
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,040
going to follow through and put
in the work.

478
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,600
The vast majority of things in
life, if you do that, there is

479
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,920
progress and prize at the end of
the tunnel, but you have to walk

480
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,360
through it and then continue to
do the hard stuff.

481
00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:57,280
And you know, when you have that
confidence, you can really make

482
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,600
the decision to do whatever you
want.

483
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,120
And it's crazy.
Like I was doing a lot of

484
00:24:02,120 --> 00:24:05,920
reflection for coming on here of
like, OK, how's my career look

485
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,960
versus two years ago versus like
what I want it to look like?

486
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,400
And even like this year I've cut
my work down because like I

487
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,720
think I went two years.
I average probably 40 weddings a

488
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:24,000
year for two years, which I know
it's like only two years, but

489
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,360
that's 80 weddings in two years
and there's not that many more

490
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,360
weekends leftover.
And for those that don't know, a

491
00:24:30,360 --> 00:24:32,760
lot of those are out of the area
you travel for a lot of

492
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560
weddings.
Yeah, So I was on the go.

493
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800
And then like senior photos is
really big.

494
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,160
I coached volleyball for a
little bit at Notre Dame.

495
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,400
So like I kind of got in the
high school people circulating

496
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,040
my name through seniors.
I made it to all the high

497
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,680
schools.
And then over the years they

498
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,880
just keep referring down and I
love my seniors, but last year I

499
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,200
did 48 seniors.
So I really, I actually didn't

500
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:04,080
have a day off last year from
May to almost October, I didn't

501
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,240
have a single day off of
shooting.

502
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,280
And I would wake up super early,
workout, edit for hours, go

503
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,760
shoot, edit till I wanted to go
to sleep.

504
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,960
And that's what I did for
months.

505
00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:20,440
And then I don't know, I just
kind of did some reflection like

506
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:26,360
last year at at some point I had
went to Scotland with my mom for

507
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:29,240
it was kind of a photography
workshop that I had signed up

508
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,800
for.
And it was my first time out of

509
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,160
the country.
And I just, my eyes were opened

510
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:42,400
and I thought there's so much
more out there that I am too in

511
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,840
the grind to even notice, you
know, and I didn't think about

512
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,200
how much travel benefits me and
how much it helps me creatively

513
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,720
and how much, you know, I can
learn from it.

514
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,680
And so I just decided this year,
you know, these are the days of

515
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,000
the week I'll take seniors.
And when it fills up, it fills

516
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560
up.
This is how many weddings I'm

517
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760
taking.
I'm doing like not even 30 this

518
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,560
year.
And then just leaving time open

519
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,960
to edit things more efficiently
and have more time to, you know,

520
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,000
cuz when you're at one point, I
think I had almost 30 shoots in

521
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,200
my queue to edit last summer.
And it's like, I'm trying to put

522
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,800
my best work out, but it's hard
when all I'm thinking is

523
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,920
deadline, deadline, deadline,
deadline, deadline.

524
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840
I need to get these done.
Like, you know, it's just, it

525
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,560
was, it was impacting my quality
of work and even just like doing

526
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,640
more travelling the last year
from a non business standpoint,

527
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,760
like as a person travelling and
seeing the world and

528
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,400
experiencing different cultures,
like makes me happy.

529
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,600
And I feel like it's very
beneficial to me just mentally

530
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,120
and emotionally.
And I've never been the person

531
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,520
who needs like I don't need time
off work.

532
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,880
I guess.
Like I don't feel burnout

533
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,760
necessarily.
I just wasn't feeding myself

534
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,080
what I needed to like be
mentally better, you know, I

535
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,160
don't know if that makes sense,
but yeah.

536
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,680
So this year I, I'm just taking
time off.

537
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,800
I'm playing a lot more piano,
like just little things here and

538
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440
there that it's like, OK, if I
don't have a shoot, like I don't

539
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,640
have a shoot today.
And I mean, like, I'm not used

540
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,280
to not having shoots everyday.
So it's just like, OK, got up,

541
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,200
came here, awesome.
I can do an afternoon workout,

542
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,840
play some piano and then maybe
like maybe around like two or

543
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
three, just sit down for a few
hours to work, but I don't have

544
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,520
to work until I go to sleep.
You know where it used to be

545
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,320
like that.
So, but it's crazy how I went

546
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,400
from training full time, also
doing photography, I'd say full

547
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,800
time to OK, this is too much,
let me quit training.

548
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,400
And then photography just took
off in that, I mean, my first

549
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,680
year full time, I'm doing shoots
everyday, you know, and I'm so

550
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,760
thankful for it and like, it's
just awesome.

551
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,400
And it speaks to the community
here, you know, and the

552
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,600
referrals, everything like that
to only two years later saying I

553
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,920
need to cut back, you know,
like, isn't that crazy?

554
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,880
Yeah.
It is such a blessing.

555
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Like I, I don't know what I
would change about my life

556
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,560
really, you know, because I
think you always think how can

557
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,040
my life be better?
How could I improve my life?

558
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:32,720
And like right here where I'm at
today, it's like I feel so good

559
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,160
about my life and where I'm at.
And I'm like, I'm very proud of

560
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,640
myself.
And like, I've gotten so much

561
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,040
closer with like family.
I've dedicated more time to them

562
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,760
and, and my close friendships,
like I'm feeding into them more.

563
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Whereas I, I'm pretty sure I
went months without seeing my

564
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,920
parents last year and we live
less than 15 minutes away from

565
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,760
each other.
And I you just hit a certain

566
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,960
point that it's like, that's not
living.

567
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,080
Like, yeah, I'm making, I'm
making great money and yeah, I

568
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,120
live on my own and I'm so busy
and whatever everyone like wants

569
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
me to photograph them, great.
But that's not my life.

570
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,000
It's a huge part of my life, but
it's not my life.

571
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,880
And it was becoming my life.
It was my life.

572
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,720
And I think still people, I'm
like the working friend, you

573
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,840
know, like I'm the workhorse,
I'm the grinder.

574
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Like everyone knows, like, all
right, Lawrence got to work.

575
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,360
And yeah, on the weekends,
obviously, like, I'm going to

576
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,320
have work, you know, I'm going
to have to shoot weddings and

577
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
stuff.
But I feel like I'm trying to be

578
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,840
like, hey, I, I can actually go
to dinner with someone during

579
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,080
the week and like, relax a
little bit and not have to,

580
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,280
well, I have to be home by 8:00
so I can edit for two hours

581
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:47,840
before I go to sleep.
You know, like, that's

582
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
seriously, I used to talk to
people like that.

583
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,400
I seriously used to say that, or
I'd be like, hey, I really want

584
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,960
to see you.
You got to come over though so I

585
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,000
can work.
Yeah.

586
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,240
Like, seriously, I would tell my
friends like, yeah, you have to

587
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,240
come to my place so I can work
while we're hanging out and

588
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:06,720
spending quality time together.
Right.

589
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,400
And.
Think about what your your

590
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,400
friend's perception of that.
Is, yeah, Two years that.

591
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,040
Yeah.
And like, if I wouldn't have

592
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,440
really taken time to reflect on
it, I'd still be doing it, you

593
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,000
know?
Yeah.

594
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Well, I think that's a, there's
a couple things in there.

595
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,400
One is that I think any time you
start like an entrepreneurial

596
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,200
thing, you, you put this
pressure on yourself.

597
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,000
It's like this prove it
mentality until you realize

598
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,040
like, Dang, I kind of did it.
And then and then you that can

599
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,800
be some of the tension.
But 2 is something I feel quite

600
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,720
a bit and I can resonate with
that is like, I don't really, I

601
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,520
don't feel burned out either.
I've started to recognize, but I

602
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,600
think there's a contrast between
that because I've started to

603
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,760
recognize when I probably should
feel burned out.

604
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:57,920
For me, it comes out in like my
attitude towards life and

605
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,640
others, and it's always
particularly the ones closest to

606
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,920
you, which is a bummer, you
know?

607
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,480
And then you realize that
afterwards and you're like, it

608
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,360
was me.
It's inward focus.

609
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,480
I'm working too hard.
Like I don't feel this.

610
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,600
I don't feel the stress, but it
exists and it's coming out.

611
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080
Yep.
I almost feel like a telltale

612
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:22,360
sign for me is if I don't feel
like playing piano or I don't

613
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,400
feel like going to work out or I
don't feel like running, I'm

614
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,880
like, OK, the business is taking
too much of my willpower right

615
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,120
now, you know, and, and it's so
I guess, yeah, it is burnout.

616
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,800
But I never felt like, Oh my
God, I don't want to do my job

617
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,240
today.
Like I can't do it anymore.

618
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,120
I've never felt like that
because I'm so passionate about

619
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,160
it, you know?
But when it starts taking away

620
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:51,360
from my personal things that are
important, that's when it, you

621
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,120
know, becomes an issue and I
have to be aware of how to help

622
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
and fix it.
Yeah, yeah.

623
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,560
And I think that it's a strange
thing in life because it's a

624
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,400
tremendous strength.
I think both of us have probably

625
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:09,200
leveraged it to in a good way to
like have good things happen,

626
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,320
quote UN quote good things, But
it leads to a be a personal

627
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:14,320
watch.
I feel the same way.

628
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Like even when I think to like
my, you know, my college jobs

629
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,520
where it was just like, I'm
literally just going here to

630
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560
make money.
And it does not matter to me.

631
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,680
I still never was like, my God,
I just don't want to do this to

632
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,200
it might have been I want to do
something else that.

633
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,000
I need money for.
Right, yes, that I need money

634
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,720
for exactly.
But the same like whatever it

635
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,400
is, it's always just like I
don't, I don't feel that thing

636
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,880
of like I just want to sit right
now and do nothing.

637
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,640
But sometimes you need to sit
and and and do nothing.

638
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,640
And I think maybe that's what
yoga does for me.

639
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:58,680
Like it makes me feel, yeah, but
yeah, you leverage it to

640
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,840
success.
But then the watch out is

641
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,000
actually on the back where it's
like, damn, this is coming out

642
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,960
in all ways that I don't want it
to.

643
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:11,080
I'm not recognizing it because
I'm so hyper focused on a goal.

644
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,360
And I'm sure like you 2 having a
wife and a child and like a

645
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,440
family, you could probably
notice it more like with your

646
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,520
attitude towards your family.
Whereas me like I'm an

647
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,920
extrovert.
I guess for my job, I think

648
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,600
everyone consider me an
extrovert, but like I value my

649
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,320
alone time.
Like if I'm not out shooting,

650
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,360
I'm typically at home with my
cats by myself, you know?

651
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,960
So like I don't really notice
behavioral changes like that or

652
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,400
how I speak to people or treat
people.

653
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,640
It's solely based on like my
habits throughout the day and

654
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,880
noticing like what I have energy
for, what I don't have energy

655
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,000
for, you know, like my
productivity I feel like goes in

656
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,560
waves too.
Like someday.

657
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,160
There are some days I just look
back on the day.

658
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,880
I'm like, I really didn't do
anything today.

659
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,960
Like seriously.
I mean, I had nowhere to report.

660
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,760
I tapped around on my computer
for a little bit, but then I

661
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,920
went for a walk all day.
And then I went to the gym and

662
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,679
sat in the sauna.
And then, yeah, I called up a

663
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:19,679
friend, talked for a few hours
on the phone.

664
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,920
You know, it's just like, it's
some days you just need that.

665
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,679
And I, I'm gotten a lot better
of like giving myself grace for

666
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:29,239
like, I deserve a day off, you
know?

667
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,840
Yeah, for sure for me, yeah.
And it's easy like in that in

668
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,960
that scenario, so you can turn
off the phone, like you can put

669
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,400
it on silent, you can set it
across the room and then that's

670
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,120
easy.
Yeah, you don't.

671
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,000
I guess that's true.
It's a good way to look at you

672
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,960
don't turn off a four year old
like he's there.

673
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,520
And a lot of my intention in
life is actually trying to

674
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:55,000
maximize my time with him and
try to be more efficient with

675
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,480
that.
Because I know that that's a

676
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,480
gradually, you know, declining
shit that's going to get less

677
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,640
and less and less.
So I, and in that time, I, I

678
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,080
just put a lot of precedent or,
and, or importance in what it

679
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,120
means for him too.
So it's, it's like I have to

680
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,920
carve that out.
So yeah, that and it's probably

681
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,000
almost harder to identify the
internal ones because we do have

682
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,280
all the blind spots where those
things are so readily apparent.

683
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,160
It's like you can see it on
someone else's face or look back

684
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,760
on a situation and see how it
could have went differently.

685
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Where it's not like, you know,
the a lot of times we don't give

686
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,080
ourselves the grace you were
just talking about to, to

687
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:43,880
recognize how we're feeling
different, but we see how others

688
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,600
feel different.
That's interesting.

689
00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:49,560
And like I never my brain never
used to work like this.

690
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,760
It never used to.
I feel like almost, I don't

691
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,920
know, more of like in a
spiritual way and like, how do I

692
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,320
want to say this?
I don't know.

693
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,640
I feel like when I was, these
are the last two years of just

694
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,520
workhorse, workhorse, workhorse.
Like I just truly didn't think I

695
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,840
had to change anything.
I just thought like, this is

696
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,520
working for me and that's what
I'm supposed to do.

697
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,200
And I feel like just the last
year I've thought a lot about,

698
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,720
OK, like my brain is, it needs
separation from work and like I

699
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:26,880
need to feed myself mentally and
my personal life.

700
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,120
And I don't know, I, I'm kind of
the person who's like, life is

701
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,240
short, you know, And I, I
haven't even really, besides

702
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:35,640
some grandparents, like I
haven't experienced death like

703
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,000
closely, but it's always been
something that I'm worried

704
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,400
about.
I'm worried about like not

705
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,680
learning everything that I can
learn and not seeing everything

706
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,600
that I can see.
Like I'm very under that

707
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,560
mentality of now.
And it's just recently changed,

708
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,840
you know, like I'd travel for
work the last two years a lot,

709
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,880
but I never really thought to
take personal trips or never

710
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,600
thought, OK, where do I want to
go?

711
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,640
Where do I want to see?
Who do I want to learn about

712
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,240
until like going to Scotland,
you know?

713
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,120
And I just feel like it was kind
of a spiritual switch for me of

714
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,480
there's more to life than my
business that I'm building.

715
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,720
And I have to realize that.
And I have to listen to the

716
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:21,320
cues, you know, to of when to
step back and when to grind it

717
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,120
out.
Yeah, that was one for me.

718
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,080
I always recognized and in a lot
of times in my life actually put

719
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,520
too much motivation and
attention towards other

720
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,680
productive things then like the
main productive thing.

721
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,840
So that's what's tough for me is
identifying like which thing to

722
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:49,840
to do because it's always our
thing, but like which thing to

723
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,360
like input my energy.
To dedicate your energy too,

724
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,120
yeah.
Yeah, life is wild.

725
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:00,000
Life's a trip.
It it's it's crazy.

726
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,440
It is the value of that, like
what would you call it, the

727
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,280
vacation reset.
The value of that, though, is

728
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,960
pretty like recognizable.
Yeah.

729
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:10,800
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.

730
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,680
It you, you come back refreshed
in a way that kind of reframes

731
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:18,400
life.
Yeah.

732
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,480
Oh yeah.
And for you, it seems like it's

733
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,160
even bigger.
Yeah, I went to Peru in March.

734
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:26,840
I don't know if you saw that at
all.

735
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,720
I think you posted like some
hiking.

736
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Videos.
Yep.

737
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,880
Yep.
And some pictures I took.

738
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,200
But yeah, me and my best friend
who lives in Denver, we went to

739
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Peru for like almost two weeks
and we did like a five day trek

740
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,560
to Machu Picchu through the
Andes Mountains, you know, and

741
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,880
it's there's no bathrooms,
there's no showers, there's no

742
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:53,760
anything, you know, like we
hiked bar.

743
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,080
I don't even know exactly the
mileage, like probably over 100

744
00:38:59,080 --> 00:38:59,720
miles.
Nice.

745
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,640
You were hiking 13 hours a day,
tent camping, we're smelly,

746
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,040
dirty at certain times.
Like you're on a straight path

747
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,800
for 8 hours.
You can't see anyone in front or

748
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,240
behind you.
Like it was the most, the

749
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,480
hardest thing I've ever done
emotionally and physically.

750
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,080
And I'm not a super emotional
person.

751
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,840
I don't get sad and like teary
eyed ever.

752
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,800
I'm, I'm not that person
watching a movie that's like,

753
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,920
oh, it's so, it's so sad, you
know, And I after Peru, like

754
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,720
I've been so much more
emotional.

755
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,640
Like I could cry just thinking
about like something sad, you

756
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:41,680
know, And in Peru, like on that
hike, I lost 12 lbs like in five

757
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,480
days.
It was physically and just

758
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,760
mentally so demanding that
getting back from that trip, I

759
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,760
was in like just almost two
weeks, like the beginning of

760
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,760
April.
I was just I felt so off.

761
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,160
I was like, wow, like people and
even just going to the city of

762
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,120
Cusco and Peru, you know, people
are poor.

763
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:10,280
People are poor and live like, I
don't know, solace to dollars

764
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,640
it's.
I don't know the exact

765
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:18,240
conversion, but I mean, I would
tip someone $0.05 and they would

766
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,560
praise you for it.
These people, like all they have

767
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,720
is their handcrafts and their
craftsmanship and what they're

768
00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,320
good at.
And the whole town kind of feeds

769
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,000
off of each other.
And it was amazing to see.

770
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Like these people don't need
money.

771
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,000
That's not their fulfillment.
And even like our Airbnb host,

772
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,920
his son, he's in his early 20s
and we got to know him pretty

773
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,600
well.
And he he's just a painter.

774
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,480
He goes and paints murals in the
city and that's it.

775
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,040
That's his job.
And he makes just enough to pay

776
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,280
his dad rent and eat and go out
for drinks with his friends on

777
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,200
the weekends.
And that's it, you know, and

778
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:06,640
it's just coming back to, you
know, this the place I live and

779
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,280
how like I've set it up so well
and I've decorated it and got

780
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,400
all the cool furniture that I
wanted.

781
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,240
And I have my nice Mac computer.
And half of the people in Cusco

782
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:20,520
didn't even have cell phones.
People don't even have cell

783
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,840
phones, you know, and even like
the trek to like we didn't have

784
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,560
phones for the five days.
And I can't, I don't think I

785
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,280
can.
I've never put my phone away for

786
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,520
five days, you know, ever since
I've had a phone, since I had a

787
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,760
freaking slider phone in 8th
grade.

788
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,680
And just the detachment of it
and the realization of like,

789
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,640
wow, my, my job revolves around
my phone.

790
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,040
And that's, it's just how it is.
But it's like, there's so much

791
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,320
more out there.
I don't know.

792
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Peru is like intense.
I couldn't even talk about the

793
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,280
trip for a week or two after it
because it was so much

794
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,960
emotionally to like take in of
like, wow, the people are just

795
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,880
so different.
And the experience itself was

796
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,960
unreal, you know, It just makes
me like, oh, where else can,

797
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,440
where can I go next, you know?
Yeah, I had a chance to do a

798
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,040
Backcountry hunting trip in
Alaska and like, no phone for I

799
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,600
think it was like 9 days or 8
days or something and same

800
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,160
feeling.
It was very freeing for me.

801
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,440
You know what I love about that
situation, though, And I've

802
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,080
never been in that.
What would you call economically

803
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,680
downtrodden in an area or
something?

804
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,880
But I bet you still looked
around and saw a lot of smiles,

805
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,440
right?
OK, that is so freeing to me,

806
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,760
that happiness.
It's, it's we all say happiness

807
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,920
doesn't come from money, but
that is the proof in the pudding

808
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,800
that like a lot of I, I, I like
watching documentaries a lot.

809
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,560
And you, you see our perception
of somebody living what we would

810
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,680
consider poor or whatever, and
they are poor monetarily, but

811
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:10,360
not spiritually and humanly.
Yes, and how you said like money

812
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,920
doesn't make you happy.
It was making me happy, you

813
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:15,640
know.
Oh, OK.

814
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,160
You know, like, especially like
the last two years of just like

815
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
grind, grind, grind.
Well, it's hard not to as a it's

816
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,200
hard now.
Especially.

817
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,640
You saw some success and you're
like reaping the rewards.

818
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,920
Yeah, and I'm, I'm single and in
the near future I'll be single.

819
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,880
Like I don't have a husband
with, I don't have a dual income

820
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,560
household.
Like I need to pay for my own

821
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,200
insurance.
I need to I pay for everything.

822
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,960
You know, I'm self-employed.
I don't have a four O 1 Ki don't

823
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,200
have health insurance.
I don't have eye insurance or,

824
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,800
you know, dental anything.
You know, I'm fully responsible

825
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,640
for myself.
And so money is too hard to not

826
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,360
be hyper focused on the money.
But then after going somewhere

827
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,640
like Peru, it's like that is the
least thing in my life that

828
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,640
makes me happy, you know, like
the absolute last thing, like

829
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:07,280
after getting down from the
Andes mountains and like

830
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,080
checking my phone and I'm just
like, I don't care about any of

831
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,960
this.
I, you know, truly like it's not

832
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,920
what matters, but you find a
happy medium of it's still what

833
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,360
I enjoy, you know, and it's
still like, I like social media

834
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,920
and I like the challenge of it
and I like how it's changing all

835
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,200
the time and getting better and,
you know, things like that.

836
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,800
But at the same time, like on a
more spiritual and just like

837
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:36,400
tangible level, there are other
things that I need to make sure

838
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,480
I'm doing to be happy, you know?
Yeah, that probably overlaps

839
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,840
with there's probably a layer of
healthiness to the emotions

840
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,600
coming out.
That's what I I'm an emotional

841
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:51,760
person.
Like I'm a, I'm a crier.

842
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Things can make me cry,
especially real life scenarios,

843
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,680
like especially happy tears.
Oh, I'm a happy crier and I like

844
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,600
it.
Like I wish.

845
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,800
And, and it makes, you know,
it's uncomfortable to think

846
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,320
about and all a lot of different
aspects of life, but I don't

847
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,960
know, that's when I there's
certain things that make you

848
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920
feel truly alive.
And I can think that's kind of

849
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,640
what I'm hearing like middle of
the middle of Peru in the

850
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,600
mountains, you may have had that
feeling of like, Dang, this is

851
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,200
actual life or.
Yes.

852
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,840
Or like the heck, going back to
what you said earlier about your

853
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,120
parents not talking to them for
months, and then you realize

854
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,040
like, oh, oh, you leave a
conversation, you're like, this

855
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,160
is actual life.
And I think we, it's easy to

856
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:41,400
separate those two things
because you're, you're exactly

857
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:42,720
right.
What you were saying like

858
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,040
there's this weight of what we
need versus what we need to do

859
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,720
to make that happen.
And when you do it right, it's

860
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:54,800
like or when you do it well,
it's like, OK, I'm getting this

861
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,720
figured out, this is good.
But I think it pushes some of

862
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:01,560
that other stuff back to
actually question about that

863
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,680
then.
And it connects to the mission

864
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,080
of the podcast.
Like I, I see this glaring lack

865
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,840
of community, the feeling of
community in our society.

866
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,680
When you were in that scenario
of those people who had to rely

867
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,040
on each other, was there this
innate sense of community that

868
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:19,440
you felt?
Yeah.

869
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,720
Oh yeah.
And I felt like we were a part

870
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,560
of it.
Like on that track, I don't know

871
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,000
what the language is called, but
there's a native language of

872
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,880
Cusco that, you know, dates back
years and years and years.

873
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,440
And like only certain people
know how to speak it.

874
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,200
I mean, everyone spoke Spanish
there, but it was just this

875
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,240
native language that just
sounded so like different.

876
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,040
You know, it didn't sound like
Spanish, didn't sound like

877
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,600
anything.
And we would go up.

878
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:56,480
We're in, we're up in Salcantay
Mountain or Peak, which was the

879
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,440
highest point that we got to
almost like 16,000 feet of

880
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,600
elevation.
And some people in our group,

881
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,280
we're getting sick, like
elevation sick, like to the

882
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:09,800
point of wearing oxygen masks
and like not doing well at all.

883
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,320
And so our guide, we found just
a house, people that lived in

884
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,960
the mountains and that's where
they live.

885
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,200
They didn't, that's it.
They just lived up there and did

886
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,720
their thing and didn't really
have like, jobs or anything.

887
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,360
I mean, truly just mountain
people.

888
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,840
And he'd go and ask them for
horses to lend, for people to

889
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,840
ride because they couldn't walk
anymore.

890
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,800
And he spoke the native language
to them all the way up there in

891
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,800
the Andes and it, and it's just,
I don't know, in my head, I just

892
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,720
think like how respectful of him
to use their native language,

893
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,520
even though like he even
admitted like he wasn't super

894
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,120
strong in it.
But that sense of community of

895
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:01,160
like looking at it from a point
of empathy sometimes is like

896
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,400
what we lack a lot.
I think, you know, I don't know,

897
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,320
it was just amazing.
Like the sense of community

898
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,640
there was unreal.
Yeah, that, and that's

899
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,840
completely where my mind's at
when I think about it, is the

900
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,000
the lack of empathy for your
neighbor.

901
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,480
And and like, you know, someone
broke down on the side of the

902
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,520
road.
People are going to drive by,

903
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:27,000
someone laying down on the
mountain that you're walking by,

904
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,040
you're obviously going to help.
Yeah.

905
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,480
And we don't.
I know of me.

906
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:36,880
I don't lean on others.
It's like we become.

907
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,280
Self focused.
Because we have this capability,

908
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,600
but in turn that me with if if I
don't watch out for it, that

909
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,680
leads to my brain getting to you
know, why is someone leaning on

910
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,040
me for something when that is
not good?

911
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Yeah, And I don't know, I think
I'm guilty a bit more so in the

912
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:59,320
past than I am now.
But like sometimes it's a little

913
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,160
irritating if someone is like,
you meet a dependent person

914
00:49:03,240 --> 00:49:06,760
being so independent and it's
like, why do you need my

915
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,480
validation so much?
Why do you need to talk to me so

916
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:10,960
much?
Like I don't get it.

917
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,920
But it's like, oh, we're human
and it's we should be

918
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,480
communicating with each other
and we should be asking for help

919
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,000
and receiving it openly, you
know, And it's so, you know, I

920
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,320
even think I always get the, oh,
when are you going to find

921
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,320
someone to get married?
And voila, you know, you shoot

922
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,040
so many weddings.
When's yours like?

923
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,880
Oh, classic, I didn't.
I didn't even think of that, but

924
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,000
that's probably miserable.
Like, Oh my God, enough, but

925
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:43,920
it's like I think of when I do
find someone, how like how hard

926
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,040
is that going to be living with
another person?

927
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,080
Like I just I love what I do.
I can do whatever I want to do,

928
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:56,840
you know, anytime and how
thinking about having to depend

929
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,840
on someone for anything is like,
so not, I'm not used to it, you

930
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,560
know, but it's like also the
beauty of partnership and

931
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,560
marriage and things like that.
Just I haven't, you know,

932
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,240
experienced it.
Yeah, yeah.

933
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,800
And that that's thing the same
thing that's a sense of

934
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,240
community or the sense of
empathy is is what makes it

935
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,720
work.
I mean, I'm still learning.

936
00:50:20,720 --> 00:50:27,400
My wife and I have been together
for over a decade now, and you

937
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,480
even like we were not the I
always struggled with

938
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:37,760
controlling type people.
If they like tried to control my

939
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,960
thoughts and actions.
That's what I that's where I

940
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,640
struggled.
I married a woman who's not like

941
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:44,760
that.
My wife is wonderful.

942
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,160
She doesn't tell me what to do.
She doesn't tell me how to think

943
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,920
like we're we're very that much
way with each other, like, you

944
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,320
know, nurturing the seeds.
But you know, once you get to

945
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,320
this level of like you've been
together for so long, like we've

946
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,680
it's aging me too.
But you start to get asked this

947
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,160
question like, Dang, that's a
long time.

948
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,480
Like what?
What makes it work?

949
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,400
And it's like the same thing as
community.

950
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,040
You wake up and you choose it.
Every day you just.

951
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:17,400
Wake up and choose to like care.
Yeah, and be a good partner.

952
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:21,080
Yeah, and empathize and like,
you know, there's that there's

953
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,560
all kinds of cliches, like
sometimes I'm the 90 and they're

954
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,760
the 10 and sometimes they're the
90 and I'm the 10, blah, blah,

955
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,640
blah.
But that all boils down to you

956
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,640
just wake up and choose it.
And, and I don't see in our

957
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,440
society, I don't see people
choosing community, but I see

958
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:37,320
people yearning for.
Community.

959
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,800
And I don't know that there's
enough bridges built, but

960
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,720
between social media, surely
isn't it?

961
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,520
I think, and I think it's part
of the driver.

962
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,680
Why?
Because it's so empty in a lot

963
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,080
of ways, but it can like, it can
tweak that nerve just enough for

964
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,040
people that it makes you feel
something that you're like, OK,

965
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,200
I do have this, but then it's
gone.

966
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,600
That's 10 seconds of your life.
And and there was no human

967
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,280
connection in that.
You're not going to remember

968
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,040
that person's name in 10 minutes
or face or whatever.

969
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,360
So I don't know what the answer
is.

970
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,080
I hope something like the
podcast, like when I think about

971
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:18,880
it, I hope that's one of the end
games is that it opens the eyes

972
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:25,040
to truly that feeling because it
is intimidating and scary and

973
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:31,760
and full of emotions to
inherently have that delicate

974
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,000
dance of a of a marriage, of a
neighbor, of a best friend,

975
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,600
whatever it is.
But I think there's so much

976
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:44,440
value in it because of what it
what we're meant to do as humans

977
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,560
and being communal.
Creatures agreed yeah and just

978
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:53,080
again with Peru, like I'll never
until I top that trip, you know,

979
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:58,040
that's like the trip for me and
just how I mean really those

980
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:03,080
people were just worried about
getting food everyday, you know,

981
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,200
and when you're when it boils
down to your biggest like

982
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,560
problem in life is where's my
next meal coming from?

983
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:15,040
You know, nothing else really
matters, you know, and like,

984
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,600
that's where the community comes
in for sure for them.

985
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,800
Yeah, the worst part.
I'll never forget the worst part

986
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,600
of my Alaska trip.
We slept in a tent up in the

987
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:31,600
mountain and it was very cold.
It got down to like 20��

988
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,960
overnight and, and I was on
Kodiak Island, so it's very

989
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,880
rainy.
So we went to bed wet and it's

990
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,560
cool.
I never, I learned this on that

991
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:41,200
trip that you dry out in your
sleeping bag and you that's how

992
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,880
you like dry your things.
But I woke up in the morning and

993
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,160
I stuck my foot into a frozen
boot and like, my boot was, it

994
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:53,040
was like a block of ice and I
just had to stick my foot in.

995
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,680
Yeah.
Keep.

996
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,160
Going take on the day and
nothing in life is going to suck

997
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,520
that bad.
You know, outside of like death

998
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,680
and and like the big things that
we all feel.

999
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,880
No matter what, nothing I do
today is going to be bad.

1000
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,560
As bad as stick in my foot.
Yes.

1001
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:09,920
In a frozen boot, yes.
Yeah.

1002
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,200
In Peru, like when we were
sleeping up in higher elevation,

1003
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,760
it got cold, cold.
And same thing it was.

1004
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:22,280
It'd be hailing and raining on
us for hours a day, like there's

1005
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,240
just nothing you could do but
just look at the ground and just

1006
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:27,840
put your head down and keep
walking and it's like, nothing

1007
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:29,720
is worse than this.
Yeah, just.

1008
00:54:29,720 --> 00:54:31,200
Embrace the stock.
Yes, Yes.

1009
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,760
Embrace the stock.
Exactly.

1010
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Yeah.
Did you, did you see shifting

1011
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,000
gears a little bit?
Did you see any of like the

1012
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:42,400
ancient ruins of of Peru?
Yep, we actually hiked to Machu

1013
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,160
Picchu.
It was amazing.

1014
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,480
I've recently become enamoured
by this topic in general of

1015
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,320
ancient civilizations and what
we know and don't know about

1016
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,160
them and.
That's the thing, even going

1017
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,720
like I feel like I still don't
know about it, OK.

1018
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,000
You know your interest though.
Yes, for sure.

1019
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,360
I feel like we don't know a damn
thing about it.

1020
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,840
I don't I don't think we know
anything.

1021
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,440
And you know what's weird is
there's a bunch of like academia

1022
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,000
stuff that like posits to know,
like we know the timeline and we

1023
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,680
know exactly.
I don't think we know shit.

1024
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:18,760
No, I agree.
I completely agree.

1025
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,320
Seriously.
Yeah, and it's so intrigued

1026
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,360
speaking to me.
I'm trying to think of it.

1027
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,800
I listened to it was a podcast
recently where it was like a

1028
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,280
three hour conversation about
Peru specifically and I was

1029
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,560
completely enamored by
something.

1030
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,120
I think it was like a
construction style that it like

1031
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:45,280
we can't replicate now.
That kind of the the crux of

1032
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,400
like they're point, I guess, was
that there was a way more

1033
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
civilized civilization than we
have now.

1034
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,280
And I would just love to like
lay my own eyes on it to get it

1035
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,440
like see if see if I concur.
Yeah, yeah.

1036
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:03,320
And, and in Machu Picchu, our
group was actually one of the

1037
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,160
first ones up there in the
morning.

1038
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,480
So we kind of saw the sunrise on
it.

1039
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:11,240
And I think it was just a very
spiritual moment of like, we

1040
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:14,640
just did this really hard thing.
And here we are like in one of

1041
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,480
those 7 wonders of the world.
And we're all by ourselves up

1042
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,400
here, you know, and by the time
we left, there was hundreds of

1043
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,600
people walking around and
looking at everything.

1044
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:27,720
But anyways, one of the things
that you'd find interesting is

1045
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:31,840
the sundials.
So these rocks just stuck in the

1046
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:37,200
ground, all cut up in jaggedy.
Yet somehow, like NASA came out

1047
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,040
and studied the sundials in
Machu Picchu and they figured

1048
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,000
out that it's one of the most
precise time measurements ever

1049
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,800
created.
Best awesome.

1050
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:54,680
Like how seriously it drives me
not like how I do not, I don't

1051
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,960
understand it.
And it's like even just going

1052
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,960
there and seeing the buildings
and the temples and the freaking

1053
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,240
irrigation systems, How, how did
they think of that?

1054
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,480
It's just, I think things are
just.

1055
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,120
So it was far more developed
than we would think, you know.

1056
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,480
Yeah.
And what was civilization like

1057
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,320
at that time?
That's where that's where like

1058
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,520
if I had an infinite amount of
time and money that I just

1059
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,840
didn't have to like do things to
make money, I, I could see

1060
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:30,560
myself getting lost in that
round because it's so

1061
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,720
fascinating.
But the worst part about it is,

1062
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,600
and I think what ultimately
would push me away from it is

1063
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,880
that I don't know that we'll
ever know, you know, how do.

1064
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,080
You, I mean, truly, Yeah.
And there's, like stories.

1065
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,560
And I mean, people say, you
know, you find things that have

1066
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,160
been documented, but you don't
really know.

1067
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,760
We don't really know anything
for sure.

1068
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,840
I just remember one of the
stories that our guide was

1069
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,160
telling us about how like the
Incas got taken over.

1070
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,760
They saw the Spanish coming and
they believed that if their

1071
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,880
leader died, that fire would
rain on the earth and destroy

1072
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,440
the earth.
That's what they believed.

1073
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:11,360
And I obviously the leader told
them that that guy made it up.

1074
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,240
So what did they do when the
Spanish came?

1075
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,960
They killed him and nothing
happened.

1076
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,320
And then they got taken over and
killed.

1077
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,360
They thought that it would be.
They thought it would take them

1078
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,840
all out.
They thought, you know, just

1079
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,160
let's just end ourselves
basically to save ourselves from

1080
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,880
this.
But then it's like, who told you

1081
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
that?
Who told you that happened?

1082
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,080
Yeah.
Like the guy.

1083
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,640
What guy?
You know, like it's just you

1084
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
can't wrap your head around.
It man talk about a great way to

1085
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:46,960
take over a civilization because
then they leave aimless like

1086
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,080
they've got nothing they're.
Like, they show up, the leader's

1087
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,840
already gone, all right?
Nothing's burning.

1088
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,560
Yeah.
OK, yeah, we'll follow.

1089
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,520
What do you have to say?
Right, right.

1090
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,200
If I die, we'll be collapsed in
water.

1091
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,040
Oh shit.
Yeah, right.

1092
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:05,680
Well, you're, we're all going
out together.

1093
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,360
Yeah.
Yeah, like.

1094
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,960
It's so fascinating.
It is, yeah, it really is.

1095
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:18,560
But.
That's so did you say like I, I

1096
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,720
wish I remembered the name of
the specific area.

1097
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,280
It was one of the most
fascinating things I've seen.

1098
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,960
I don't think it's connected to
Machu Picchu.

1099
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,120
I think it's in like a very and
I mean, if I'm, I'm not the

1100
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,480
expert here, but Machu Picchu is
pretty remote in itself, right?

1101
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:39,560
And I think this was like even
more remote, like hard to even

1102
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,720
get to it anyway, whether you
have ATVs or anything like hard,

1103
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:48,760
but yeah, I don't know.
That's just so I I can't that

1104
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,360
that's bucket list life stuff.
Like I want to go to these like

1105
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,800
like I want to go to Egypt.
I want to go to Egypt so bad.

1106
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:56,480
I was literally just going to
say.

1107
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,200
Like there has to be answers to
questions we have.

1108
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,920
Yeah, there has.
And you know, you get up there

1109
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,400
and you see this community
that's withheld the test of

1110
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,440
time.
You know, these buildings that I

1111
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,120
mean, they didn't rebuild them.
That's how they are and they

1112
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:18,040
stayed that way and the terraces
on the mountain and everything

1113
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,480
and our guide.
So, you know, we think we think

1114
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:25,560
that they started at the top and
chipped away at the mountain to

1115
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,800
create stones.
And you know, they didn't carry

1116
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,280
anything up is what they believe
happened.

1117
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,920
But it's like, but everything is
so precise.

1118
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:38,280
It is like, did you bring tools
up there with you?

1119
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,840
Like why?
I just want.

1120
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,240
To.
I know, right, like how did like

1121
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,840
we're explosives in existence at
that time?

1122
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,760
Because how do you chip away at
a mountain?

1123
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:55,120
Seriously, Like I they said it
took, I think I maybe I'm wrong,

1124
01:00:55,120 --> 01:01:00,200
but I think like 10 years to
build, which is like a long

1125
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,480
time, but if you just have your
two hands, like that's pretty

1126
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,080
impressive.
Yeah, In the grand scheme of

1127
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:08,320
things, heck yeah.
And that, I think that's part of

1128
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,560
my intrigue around it, is that
I'm so unfamiliar with things.

1129
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,040
Like, I don't, I heard you say
that and I thought of Mount

1130
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,320
Rushmore.
And then I'm like, I don't even

1131
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,640
know how they made mount.
Rushmore Me either I.

1132
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,320
Don't know how I did it.
Like, was that chipping in the

1133
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:22,920
rock?
Like, I have no idea.

1134
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:27,200
So I, you know, you dealt with
these things that blow your mind

1135
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,120
and then you're like, oh, God,
that's too much right now.

1136
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:30,120
And then you leave.
Yeah.

1137
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:31,440
And then you don't think about
it.

1138
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,360
Yeah.
It's wild.

1139
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,080
But so how?
Like how long were you in Peru?

1140
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,400
You said it was 2 weeks.
Yeah, like just about two weeks.

1141
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,360
OK.
How much of that was in the like

1142
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:44,680
the small community we're
talking about compared to like,

1143
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,200
hiking through the mountain?
So we did 5 days of hiking and

1144
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,800
then we did one other day of
just like kind of going on our

1145
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:56,040
own hike and then the rest of it
a few days before the hike and a

1146
01:01:56,040 --> 01:01:59,000
few days after was when we were
spent time in the in the city.

1147
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,920
How's the food?
Amazing.

1148
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:02,240
Yeah.
Yeah, it was amazing.

1149
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,560
I'm trying to think of like
something gross say that I could

1150
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,800
tell you.
Can you start with?

1151
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,600
Those Guinea pig, Guinea pig.
I need a Guinea.

1152
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,520
Pig.
Yeah, they rotisserie style it

1153
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,120
on a stick and serve it whole,
like teeth and everything.

1154
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,840
Which I mean, some branzino.
That's how people serve fish.

1155
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,880
What else?
Well, alpaca is really good.

1156
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,480
I tried alpaca for the first
time.

1157
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,200
I had an alpaca burger and I'm
not a burger person.

1158
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,160
It was just like it was the
night we got back from the

1159
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,680
track.
I'd gotten carsick on the way

1160
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,160
back because we took this and
that was like all over the like

1161
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,080
they had to stop the van for me
seriously to throw up on the

1162
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,240
side of the road.
It was a four hours in there.

1163
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,560
I'm starving.
So we go get burgers and it was

1164
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,600
an alpaca burger and it was like
the best thing I've ever eaten,

1165
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,600
alpaca meat.
But trout, they could, they have

1166
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,640
a lot of trout.
Every menu has trout, smoked

1167
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,200
trout, fresh trout.
Trout is very popular there.

1168
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,320
And then, yeah, like alpaca
meat.

1169
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,680
I didn't really eat any like,
chicken or anything going to the

1170
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,640
markets.
I, I mean, there's like cow

1171
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,000
heads stacked on each other.
And like how the markets were

1172
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,280
laid out was it'd be a meat
section, you know, people

1173
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,360
actually cooking and serving
food in the market, like whether

1174
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:19,360
it's super just rice bowls,
whatever, like juice, fresh

1175
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,640
fresh juice cause of all the
fruit, fruit section and then

1176
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,440
all like the homemade jewelry
and clothes and stuff.

1177
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:30,240
But the meat section was like
what gig just flies all over the

1178
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,720
meat?
Like it smelled horrendous set.

1179
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,560
Me up with an apple.
Yeah, raw meat everywhere,

1180
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,720
freaking cow heads stacked on
each other, bleeding out on the

1181
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:44,840
table, people butchering things
in front of you like it's it was

1182
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,400
gnarly.
So I had to be, we had to be

1183
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,880
choice all about like what we
ate.

1184
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,560
Even like with the fruits, it's
like, OK, we probably shouldn't

1185
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,280
eat this apple or you know,
without like really washing it,

1186
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,880
you know, you rather get
something that you can break

1187
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,920
open and has like a skin like
mangoes and papayas and stuff.

1188
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,120
We ate a lot of.
But there's this one fruit, I

1189
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:12,160
cannot remember the name of it,
but it was like yay big.

1190
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,880
And you stick your thumbs in and
RIP it open and the inside it's

1191
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,280
seeds, but it looks like little
eyeballs, like they're like

1192
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,760
little Jelly balls.
It was so good.

1193
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:23,560
Sounds.
Kind of pomegranate ish.

1194
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:26,880
Pomegranate ish.
I would say it was like kind of

1195
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,960
like a pomegranate, but it's a
little bit smaller and it was

1196
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,800
green, like the seeds were green
and.

1197
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,600
It was really good.
Yeah, it was super good.

1198
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,800
Nice.
There was like a potatoes too

1199
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,840
are super common there.
Yeah, like lots of potatoes.

1200
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,120
OK.
I would definitely need a Guinea

1201
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:41,960
pig.
Yeah, a Guinea pig looks like

1202
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:42,880
an.
Edible critter.

1203
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,920
Yeah, yeah.
I'm like, and well, then I

1204
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,320
don't, maybe my mom said it or
someone was like, oh, like a

1205
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,640
Guinea pig, you know, people
have those as pets.

1206
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:57,400
I'm like, I don't.
Yeah, it it, it's so.

1207
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,760
I mean, people have, I don't
know, cows as pets.

1208
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,280
Yeah, you know, yeah.
It's just kind of the same

1209
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,840
thing.
Like being a hunter, I think

1210
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:12,840
that's one of the important like
facets of understanding of life,

1211
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,360
of where our food comes from and
the relationship to it.

1212
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:19,720
Like it's not some we created
those relationships.

1213
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:23,320
Like we're the reason that I
have two cats running around.

1214
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,280
The house like it's not the.
Cat's choice.

1215
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,320
Not my cat's choices, if you.
Think it is.

1216
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,440
Open a window and see what your
cat does.

1217
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,920
Like it's not your cat.
So actually a few day on Monday

1218
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,240
of this week, a large gust of
wind blew my front door open

1219
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,880
while I was in my office on a
phone call.

1220
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,800
I didn't even hear it.
My door was closed because

1221
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,160
usually if I have my door open
one of the cats is going to be

1222
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:50,960
like climbing all over me and
just I'm getting in my way so

1223
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,520
locked him out front door blows
open.

1224
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,400
Bunny who's my black cat is
scared about going outside.

1225
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,360
She'll never go outside.
Cookie was a stray before I got

1226
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:04,040
her so she like has been outside
before she.

1227
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:05,240
Knows what the outside.
Holds.

1228
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,000
Yeah, she does.
So lo and behold, I get out of

1229
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,240
my office.
Who knows how long after the

1230
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,520
door opened she's gone.
So I call actually a guy I used

1231
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:15,840
to train.
His name is Perry.

1232
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,360
He's like in a 60s.
My neighbor, conveniently, I'm I

1233
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,640
start crying.
I'm like, Perry cookies gone,

1234
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,080
Cookie got out.
I start running.

1235
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,560
I'm running down my block in
socks, didn't even put shoes on.

1236
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,960
I'm panicking.
I run up to this couple walking

1237
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:32,880
a dog.
I said, have you guys seen a

1238
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,360
cat?
Like have you seen a cat?

1239
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,880
And they're like, actually,
yeah, just walked past us.

1240
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,960
I run a little ways down the
trail, the freaking Fox River

1241
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:46,680
Trail, and because I live right
by right next to it and she's

1242
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:50,920
just laying on her back
scratching herself in the

1243
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,880
freaking grass smelling a plant.
I'm like, get your ass.

1244
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,240
I'd snagged her up.
I'm like, truly.

1245
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,680
I mean, if I'd let her go, she'd
be gone.

1246
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:05,520
Like it's not her choice.
She love, I'm sure she loves

1247
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:11,680
being fed all this wet food a
day and like getting all the

1248
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,480
love and all these little places
in the sun delay but like truly

1249
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,720
she wouldn't be there.
Yeah, I mean, she might come

1250
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:19,920
back.
Yes, yeah.

1251
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:26,760
So I learned last last summer
that a common thing for, like,

1252
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,480
cats to do when they're outside,
when they're like hunters, when

1253
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,320
they're in the actual
environment, is they'll like,

1254
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,080
kill bunnies and RIP their heads
off.

1255
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,560
So I found some, like, beheaded
bunnies in my yard.

1256
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:40,000
That's when I found it.
And it just goes to show you

1257
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,000
that like, yeah, that thing will
come and it'll purr and nuzzle

1258
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,400
on you and everything, but it's
still a creature.

1259
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,160
Yeah, it's still an animal.
Yeah.

1260
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,320
And I guess circle back around
that that's important to know

1261
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:58,840
Guinea pig, horse, cat thing,
animal like we developed these

1262
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,400
relationships with it, not
nature.

1263
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:08,640
And I think it's more about the,
the respect and the care and

1264
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:12,920
line of thought that we put into
the consumption than it is the

1265
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,680
actual consumption.
And I don't know that's, it's

1266
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,640
not readily apparent to us
because our grocery stores

1267
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,840
aren't that right.
Our grocery stores are a

1268
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,000
perfectly cut steak for you that
comes on a platter.

1269
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,279
And I've probably talked about
it ad nauseam at the on the

1270
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,160
podcast, But I've, I've had some
conversations with people who

1271
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,319
eat meat but are like, how could
you ever hunt?

1272
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:35,319
And I'm like, well, I need to
tell you.

1273
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,640
Yeah.
Interest.

1274
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,840
Yeah, Interesting.
I grew up, my dad hunts and I

1275
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,399
grew up hunting.
I don't anymore, just time wise,

1276
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:45,640
like doesn't really work out for
me.

1277
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,359
But I'll still like mooch off my
dad for venison because that's

1278
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:51,240
the best meat you can get, you
know what I mean?

1279
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,880
Like that's the best meat that
you can get.

1280
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,920
And it has to have, I mean, in
order to have it, yes, something

1281
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,240
has to, yeah.
Yeah, you have to have and it's

1282
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,560
more of the ethical concern of
like, how did it live?

1283
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,840
How was it killed?
How was it cared for afterwards?

1284
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:15,080
So, you know, I argue that if
that Guinea pig had I don't it

1285
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:17,240
wasn't was it a do they have
wild Guinea pigs?

1286
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:18,760
Was it wild or I?
Think so?

1287
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,600
I think they're wild, yeah.
Interests.

1288
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,520
OK, so this is perfect for the
argument then, because I argue

1289
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:29,760
I'll take a wild Guinea pig over
a chicken that was stacked 10

1290
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,399
boxes high in this warehouse
that's never seen the sun.

1291
01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:36,479
Set me up with that.
I'll take it out, Agreed.

1292
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:38,960
And then I'll eat that.
Way more comfortable.

1293
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,200
About that, I feel like I've
always tried to eat really

1294
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:47,600
healthy and but after that trip,
their meals are so simple.

1295
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:52,560
Like they'd have potato cooked
to perfection, seasoned to

1296
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,480
perfection, a piece of trout and
some fruit.

1297
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,240
That was the meals, you know,
like it's very simple.

1298
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,800
So like coming home after that
I'm like, I don't need to make

1299
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,040
myself this like protein oatmeal
every morning.

1300
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,720
Like why don't I just eat eggs
and tomatoes and fruit and

1301
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,200
avocado?
Like so simplified.

1302
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,440
And it's like, why have we again
over consumerism?

1303
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,840
Why have we turned every meal
into this?

1304
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,040
Like how processed can I make
it?

1305
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,360
Like how can I or even like the
health and fitness world?

1306
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:30,120
Like how can I protein this?
How can I make protein water?

1307
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,640
Like the clear protein drinks
are like like water didn't ask

1308
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:39,640
to have protein in it.
Seriously, that's enough.

1309
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:40,920
Like that's enough.
That's.

1310
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,880
Funny as well.
That's funny as well.

1311
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:45,400
Yes.
And it's like that's the help

1312
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:46,840
and fitness world talking to
you.

1313
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,840
But it's like, no, like we just
need to eat food, just raw food.

1314
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,960
How it comes and how it's meant
to be prepared and how it's

1315
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,560
meant to be consumed.
Like adding all this additive

1316
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,680
stuff is like killing us.
Yeah.

1317
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:04,960
Oh, for sure, 100%.
It's almost like those the a lot

1318
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,320
of the benefit of the
Mediterranean diet, like it's,

1319
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:13,480
it's just these beautiful things
that are in their form that they

1320
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:16,640
are.
Yeah, I, I try to, I try to eat

1321
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,960
like that as much as I can.
Man, I love a cheeseburger.

1322
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,600
It's a, it's A and a pizza.
You know, it's, it's hard to get

1323
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:23,720
around.
It I still think about that,

1324
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,480
I'll pack a burger.
Like seriously, I'm like, I

1325
01:11:27,480 --> 01:11:28,680
never have to eat a burger
again.

1326
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,760
That was the best thing I've
ever had.

1327
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:31,360
Nice.
Was it a?

1328
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:33,200
Was it?
Did they have cheese?

1329
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:35,640
Was it was a.
There was no cheese.

1330
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:37,920
It was like a black sesame seed
bun.

1331
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:44,200
Huge, massive Patty like this
big, they made, they put Pickles

1332
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,880
on it.
They put like a bacon jam, like

1333
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,280
a bacon Jelly on it.
Yeah.

1334
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,040
And some lettuce and tomato.
Nice.

1335
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,200
Like that's it.
And it was just amazing.

1336
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,400
Like it's the quality of the
meat and just the freshness of

1337
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,600
everything was so good.
It's funny, we, we were both

1338
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,760
like ravenous.
So we'd went to the burger place

1339
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,280
with the Airbnb son, the
painter, because he would just

1340
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,720
kind of be hanging around every
once in a while.

1341
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,480
And we're like, yeah, yeah, come
grab food with us.

1342
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,920
And they made my burger.
And then they just forgot to

1343
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,840
make my friend Brooks and
Mateo's burgers.

1344
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,840
So I sat there for probably 35
minutes staring at this juicy

1345
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:26,400
burger, waiting to eat it.
So I'm like, maybe that's why it

1346
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:27,720
was the best burger I've ever
eaten.

1347
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:31,320
Because like, I literally was
withering away at the table.

1348
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:34,960
Yeah, yeah.
And well, especially when you do

1349
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,480
that much physical activity, you
can't eat enough food if you

1350
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,480
just keep it coming and you'll
eat it.

1351
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:45,160
You're a good friend. 35 minutes
you waited while they.

1352
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,320
Were waiting oh come on just eat
it like just eat it and I'm like

1353
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,560
I can't you.
Couldn't bring yourself to do it

1354
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,320
table.
Manners.

1355
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,600
I can't do it.
I probably would have done it.

1356
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:55,720
I know.
I think I would have done it.

1357
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,640
We were, we were all like
nibbling off of it.

1358
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,600
I was going to say, there's
probably an end game there where

1359
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,600
you cut it in thirds.
Each have a. 3rd 3rd of each.

1360
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,000
And then you each have 1/3 of
each bird.

1361
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,840
Yeah, should have done that.
Yeah, should have done it.

1362
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,560
Because everybody probably would
have had.

1363
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,240
And then you would have got to
eat it when it was nice and

1364
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:12,240
warm.
Imagine, Oh my goodness, you ate

1365
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,960
it when it was cold.
Imagine how good it was when it

1366
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,000
was warm.
I said, I literally said to her,

1367
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,280
I said we're coming back to
Cusco one day and going back for

1368
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:24,120
those burgers.
Like seriously, so good.

1369
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,080
Nice.
And I think the burger was like

1370
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,720
$2.00 U.S. dollars.
Like that's the craziness of it

1371
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:34,840
is like avocados you would buy
for like $0.05, you know, like,

1372
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:36,960
it's crazy.
I just can't, I can't, you know,

1373
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:38,680
you can tell.
I can't even conceptualize it

1374
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:39,400
still.
Yeah.

1375
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,040
Yeah, that's a convoluted thing,
right?

1376
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,520
How much you have versus how
much you use and like what you

1377
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,440
produce that other people use in
the world, how it all like comes

1378
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:54,640
together in this thing.
And most of the time those

1379
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,400
places like they're clinging on
because of one or two things

1380
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,320
that people in other places
either enjoy or need.

1381
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,680
Like they they cling actually,
what what is that there?

1382
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:12,880
Do they have a thing like, I
don't know what I don't know?

1383
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:16,480
I guess I, I, I would be purely
guessing what it was, but they

1384
01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:19,040
like in general, they have one
thing that's like OK.

1385
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,080
Oh, that They're kind of in
there.

1386
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,120
For well, it's their lifeline,
Yeah, that's how they get

1387
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:27,080
resources because like somebody
wants Colombian.

1388
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,000
Coffee.
It's perused coffee.

1389
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:30,200
It's perused coffee.
Too.

1390
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,240
That makes sense.
Yeah, we actually on our trek,

1391
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,320
we stopped at a coffee farm and.
You're such a coffee person,

1392
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:38,560
yes?
I am, yeah.

1393
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,360
As I'm like drinking an energy
drink.

1394
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:42,800
Yeah.
I already had coffee this

1395
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,880
morning.
But yeah.

1396
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,240
And we got to see kind of, we
actually got to roast our own

1397
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:49,040
coffee.
And they like, let us take a

1398
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,520
little bit home.
And it's just like so potent and

1399
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,320
strong.
And it's very different from

1400
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:57,560
Colombian coffee.
Peruvian coffee, I would say, is

1401
01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,920
more acidic.
But that's their thing of like,

1402
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,840
you know, even if there are
certain parts of Cusco that were

1403
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,240
a little bit touristy, I think
way less than like going over to

1404
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,720
the UK and London and stuff.
But coffee was like a huge

1405
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:17,480
selling point for them of just
their their businesses and how

1406
01:15:17,480 --> 01:15:19,520
they run.
I guess it makes sense.

1407
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:21,440
Probably still in the cocaine
business too, but.

1408
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,080
What you got to do and which we
we were offered but I.

1409
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:33,000
Imagine American dinero man.
They're like they see 2 white

1410
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:35,880
girls walking around and they're
like come on, come on.

1411
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,120
Yeah, they'd they.
'D go nice, sniff, sniff.

1412
01:15:40,160 --> 01:15:43,200
I'm like no, no, we need help
walking up the.

1413
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,960
Mountain, we'll have 15 miles.
You got to need a little Gogo.

1414
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,640
Juice.
Yeah, right.

1415
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,120
That's I bet that was a cool ass
trip though.

1416
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,280
Oh my God, that would, yeah.
I would recommend it to anybody

1417
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:01,040
who is like who I wouldn't
recommend it to anyone actually,

1418
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:03,680
I shouldn't say that, but you
know, someone who's like

1419
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,480
physically capable of doing
something like that and can

1420
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:10,200
appreciate like a different
culture and really like

1421
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:15,040
integrate themselves into it.
I think it was like the best

1422
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,000
experience I've ever experienced
and.

1423
01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:21,120
When you travel to a place like
that, it's probably relatively

1424
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,040
affordable outside the plane
getting there.

1425
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,320
You know the plane getting there
is probably the worst part.

1426
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:29,600
But honestly, all together,
plane track bought whatever I

1427
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,560
wanted, you know, like bought
some really nice handmade

1428
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,280
sweaters, food we had to feed
ourselves the whole time.

1429
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,520
I spent under $2200 on the
entire trip.

1430
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:44,200
Nice.
I took out I think $500.00 of

1431
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,920
cash.
I transferred it to Solace and I

1432
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:50,840
had leftovers at the end of the
trip and we were like out for

1433
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,840
every meal, you know, we go out
for every meal, you know, you

1434
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,200
buy whatever you.
Want throwing it around.

1435
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,360
Numerous coffees today, numerous
matches a day.

1436
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,640
We're talking like big like 5
course meals that we spent

1437
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:07,840
$12.00 on.
You know, like I could not even.

1438
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,200
I was talking to one of my
brides the other day, their

1439
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,800
wedding is in August.
And she said, Oh my God, your

1440
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,880
trip to Peru looked so cool.
And her and her husband are very

1441
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,120
adventurous people, like very
spiritual adventurous, just like

1442
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,000
kind of free spirited.
And I was like, you would love

1443
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,200
it, Like you guys would love it.
And she said, Oh well, we've

1444
01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:31,000
been trying to plan our
honeymoon to Japan and it's like

1445
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,640
over 10K at least.
And I'm like, girl, I spent like

1446
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:41,720
$1800, you know, like, you know,
and like even, I mean, Scotland

1447
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,640
was different.
Scotland and London like that

1448
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:47,520
was expensive and the hotels and
everything, but our Airbnb for

1449
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,440
however many nights, like almost
two weeks.

1450
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:59,560
So 12 nights, 13 was 312 U.S.
dollars total.

1451
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,240
I mean like.
Nice.

1452
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,120
What?
Yeah, it's hard.

1453
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:08,120
Like they don't flush their
toilet paper down their toilets

1454
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,840
anywhere.
Airport, public bathrooms,

1455
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,000
Airbnb all goes in the garbage.
OK, every bathroom smells.

1456
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:16,240
No bidet setups?
Nope.

1457
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:21,520
OK, everything smelled like the
unsanitariness of it was a

1458
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,080
little bit of an adjustment, but
if I knew it going in and I'm

1459
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,720
not like I'm not a clean freak.
I'm not I'm very type BI like my

1460
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,280
things like neat and organized
to an extent, but like I'm not

1461
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,000
anal about it.
I could not imagine some of my

1462
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:43,200
friends who are like, very hell,
very clean freaks like they.

1463
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,000
I don't think you could even
look past that and enjoy

1464
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,040
yourself, like in general, you
know?

1465
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,920
I'll make that mental note.
That'll be a river in Dada trip.

1466
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,480
Yeah, and send Mama can go to
somewhere.

1467
01:18:53,480 --> 01:18:56,760
Clean, Yes.
Send mom to like Italy.

1468
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,840
Like, yeah, drinking wine.
Yeah, we'll go there with her

1469
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,360
when we come back.
We'll leave her at home for that

1470
01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:02,720
one.
Reading.

1471
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:03,920
Reading a nice book.
Yep.

1472
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:06,520
Yeah, it was.
It was an adjustment.

1473
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,640
But like, I get it, Like the
plumbing systems just aren't

1474
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,360
developed enough to hold toilet
paper down it.

1475
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,640
OK, Yeah, everyone's throwing in
the garbage.

1476
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,040
I guess I will too.
You know, like whatever.

1477
01:19:17,480 --> 01:19:20,400
Pretty callous to that, having
the what kid with the wipes that

1478
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:22,480
they go in the garbage.
And it's just, yeah, that's.

1479
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,040
What it is.
All right, well, we got a little

1480
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,760
bit of time left.
I want to touch on one more

1481
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,280
topic I've never got to talk
with a Root of Wisconsin guest

1482
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,920
about because we share something
that's pretty uncommon in

1483
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:33,840
society.
We're both.

1484
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:35,400
Adopted.
Yeah, I knew it.

1485
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:37,840
Yeah, yeah.
And I've never got to talk with

1486
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,920
anybody about that on the pod.
Not something that comes up in

1487
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:43,560
regular conversation.
I can't even remember find why I

1488
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,040
found out because most of the
time like.

1489
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:48,680
I think it was like before class
started, like it had slipped in

1490
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,280
somewhere, like it was it.
We were almost like walking down

1491
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,480
the hallway and just figured it
out.

1492
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,600
Yeah, because it's one of those
things that like I take very

1493
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:02,000
circular routes to conversation.
And obviously I ask like some

1494
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,360
like even in not just on the
podcast, I do this because I do

1495
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:07,080
this in my life.
Like I ask people like real

1496
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:08,680
questions.
I asked somebody yesterday if

1497
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:12,720
their 5th baby was an accident
and the other person I was with

1498
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:13,760
was like you don't have to
answer.

1499
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:14,800
That I was like, what's the big
deal?

1500
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:17,160
It's fine, like 5 days.
Or so.

1501
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:20,000
No, it's.
Crazy.

1502
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,080
Like if you chose the fifth one
I'm going to look at.

1503
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,000
You as different.
So I have to know, yeah, that's

1504
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,040
hilarious.
So I take this route, But in all

1505
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:33,000
those ways, there's not really
this path that gets to adoption,

1506
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,080
so it doesn't come out that
much.

1507
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,360
How old?
Like how old were you when you

1508
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:39,080
were?
Adopting young like baby, OK,

1509
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,840
it's the same.
OK.

1510
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,720
Do you know like where you were
born and everything?

1511
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,120
Yeah.
So I was born in Beloit, like

1512
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:51,120
Madison area.
My birth mom and I think my

1513
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:57,000
birth dad were from that area.
But my parents, my parents

1514
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:00,800
always lived in like Greenleaf
area, like De Pere area.

1515
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:03,640
So they adopt me from there and
then just brought me back.

1516
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:06,120
So I I grew up only in like De
Pere.

1517
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:09,200
Yeah, it's.
And it seems like we've both

1518
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,640
kind of taken similar paths
where like you get asked about

1519
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,200
it through your life and I'm
just like, I don't know.

1520
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,160
And I think it's because we were
babies.

1521
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:19,960
Yeah.
Like there's just no other life

1522
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,480
that I know.
It's like, these are my parents.

1523
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:24,760
Yeah, yeah.
And I never really think about

1524
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:28,080
anything else.
If there is something I do think

1525
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,920
it's weird, like once or twice
the year it'll pop into my mind

1526
01:21:30,920 --> 01:21:34,080
like oh I might have like a
blood sibling out there

1527
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,880
somewhere, but even that I don't
particularly.

1528
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,680
Care and I do.
Oh, you know, did you do like

1529
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:42,600
the 23andMe thing or something
or how do you know?

1530
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:46,360
Yes, so I don't know if have you
met your birth parents?

1531
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:51,360
No.
So I when I was 18, I like asked

1532
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,880
to know who my birth mom was.
OK.

1533
01:21:53,880 --> 01:21:55,600
So you wanted to?
Know very curious yeah, I was

1534
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:02,480
very curious and it turned into
I met her and like, Oh well, she

1535
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:09,880
has two other kids now and after
I met her she had the

1536
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,800
expectation that I wanted to be
a part of their family again.

1537
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:18,200
So it turned into like come stay
the summers with us blowing up

1538
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:20,800
my phone constantly because I
was just 18 like getting into

1539
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:23,320
college and she was like, we
have to make up for all these

1540
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,640
years not with each other.
And honestly, I at a certain

1541
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:32,560
point I said I have parents like
my parents are my parents and my

1542
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,760
mom is my mom.
Like you're my biological birth

1543
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:41,040
giver, but like you're not my
mom and like I haven't spoken to

1544
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:44,440
her since like it was and I'm
like fine talking about it.

1545
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,840
It needed to happen.
Like, I think it, I think if I

1546
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,800
could go back, I probably just
wouldn't have really explored

1547
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,960
it.
Yeah, so that's what, that's

1548
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,120
what I, maybe that's the
underlying reason why I don't

1549
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:00,480
ever, I don't know if I ever
will.

1550
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,840
Like I can't say what I'm going
to do 3 years from now, but up

1551
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,640
to this point in my life, I've
never really thought about like

1552
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,280
my best friend jokes once, once
in a while, he'll be like, just

1553
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,200
give me your blood, I'll send it
in and then we'll know.

1554
01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:16,360
But like, I think that's the
part that I'm like, I don't even

1555
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:19,600
want to deal with that shit.
I have enough like human

1556
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,040
connection in my life.
That and the the complicatedness

1557
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,600
that comes with it.
I don't need another lever

1558
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,880
level.
The one thing that I would like

1559
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,360
to do somehow, and I don't know
how it would ever work without

1560
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:36,960
having that happen, but I would
like to express gratitude for

1561
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,120
choosing to spend nine months to
bring me into the world.

1562
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,640
And being selfless enough to
give us up, yes.

1563
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:47,840
You know and know that you
probably weren't ready.

1564
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,640
Like I think my mom gave me a
bunch of paperwork a while back

1565
01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:52,160
about my biological.
Parents.

1566
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,240
Interesting.
Like it has all the, it's

1567
01:23:54,280 --> 01:23:56,920
redacted a bunch, you know, but
it has like some health

1568
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,040
information and stuff like
things that you might need as a

1569
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,040
human.
And I think if I remember right,

1570
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,120
it says their age and they were
super young.

1571
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:04,640
So it's.
Like my birth mom was too.

1572
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:07,880
Thank you for not putting me
through trauma that inevitably

1573
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,840
comes from that, you know, like,
and thank you for making the

1574
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:14,360
choice to like, that's a big
sacrifice in your life to do.

1575
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,040
I don't particularly want to go
any further than that.

1576
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,560
I it's OK if we never talk.
But I would like you to know

1577
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,480
that I am grateful that you made
that decision.

1578
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:29,680
Yeah, and I wonder too.
So then after a few years of not

1579
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,400
speaking to my birth mom, she
never told me who my birth dad

1580
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,240
was.
And there was like a name on my

1581
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:39,080
birth certificate.
It was, I don't even remember.

1582
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:44,040
It marks something.
And like, you know, I one time I

1583
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,080
went on Facebook and started
messaging all the mark whatevers

1584
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:51,200
in the Madison area, like trying
to figure it out because I was

1585
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,600
just like, why wouldn't she tell
me like who he is, you know.

1586
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:59,200
Well, I ended up doing 23andMe
found like 1 paternal side

1587
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,360
match, but it was like a distant
kind of relative and I reached

1588
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:06,920
out to her and she actually
helped me like track all the way

1589
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:11,520
back like who my dad could be.
And it was these two brothers

1590
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:16,600
that one died like not too long
before, I think 2022.

1591
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:20,360
And in 2020, fours, when I she
was helping me, he died.

1592
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,240
The other one is like much
older.

1593
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:27,040
So it like most likely was the
man that had passed, but like,

1594
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,840
who else it could be lives in
Florida and has a whole family.

1595
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,200
And I'm like, well, like, what's
the point then, you know?

1596
01:25:33,440 --> 01:25:37,680
And I don't even think he knew
that he had a kid with her.

1597
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:40,560
I think that's the situation.
It was sure she didn't know.

1598
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,800
Who the dad was?
OK, so I'm just like, could you

1599
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:47,040
imagine?
Like, yeah.

1600
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:48,520
You don't.
Want.

1601
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:52,520
To be the letter carrier for.
That like, and then then it just

1602
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,480
comes back to like my family's
my family.

1603
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:59,160
Like I love my family, you know,
my dad and I look like my dad,

1604
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:01,880
you know, like it's just weird
things where it's like that's

1605
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:04,600
all it's ever been.
So why would I?

1606
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:06,600
Why would I try to make it
different?

1607
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,960
Yeah, I mean, curiosity is a
thing, but to a certain point

1608
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,840
it's just like being grateful
for what you have.

1609
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:19,280
For sure, yeah.
And I think actually, no, you

1610
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:20,800
were an only child for a long
time, right?

1611
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,840
That's what it was.
So I had an older brother

1612
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:24,200
growing up.
Yeah.

1613
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:29,240
Yeah.
And he struggles with things and

1614
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:33,280
ended up, you know, when he was
probably 16, kind of going off

1615
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:38,120
in his own and never really
hearing from him again, really.

1616
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:43,520
But then my parents, he ended up
having a daughter who my parents

1617
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:48,280
took as a baby.
So then she she's 9 now.

1618
01:26:48,440 --> 01:26:51,160
She just turned 9.
But yeah, she's been around

1619
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:52,840
since my last year of high
school.

1620
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:54,160
We we got her.
So I.

1621
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:55,280
Remember talking about that.
Real.

1622
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:57,040
Yeah, yeah.
But for a while, throughout high

1623
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,120
school, I was like the only one
at home.

1624
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:01,800
Yeah, that's and that's another
conversation.

1625
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:03,920
People talk about the only child
thing, but it's not as fun to

1626
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,680
talk about.
Whatever.

1627
01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:06,800
Yeah, I was the only one.
Cool.

1628
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,800
I wasn't bored.
Yeah, right.

1629
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,720
But yeah, it sounds like our,
our parents, parents had a

1630
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,560
little bit different routes that
I don't even know how adoption

1631
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,560
worked at that time.
Me either.

1632
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:21,320
And I really don't know how it
works now, but I know that I, I

1633
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:24,040
was in like a place, I think it
was for like 6 weeks or

1634
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,320
something where I guess it'd be
like foster care or something.

1635
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:28,040
Like I had a lady that took care
of me.

1636
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:32,560
Now that Lady I would like to
talk to because talk about that

1637
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,680
selflessness.
Like, OK, I'm going to take the

1638
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,680
first six weeks of.
The kid.

1639
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,800
Like if you're going to pick any
weeks, if it, if it ain't yours

1640
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,440
and yours, you're going to be
giving it away six weeks.

1641
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,000
Like you ain't going to sleep.
Like, sure, it's awesome and

1642
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,800
it's awe inspiring.
Yeah, all that it's.

1643
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:53,880
Hard.
It's yeah, like you're up at all

1644
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,280
hours of the night.
And it's such a like, it's

1645
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,720
critical for the baby.
That's the ultimate selfless

1646
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,320
thing that someone can do.
Like, OK, I'm going to basically

1647
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:03,960
put my life on hold for six
months.

1648
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,000
Yeah.
That person would be fun to talk

1649
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:06,360
to.
Yeah.

1650
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,520
And it was cool in that stuff
that my mom gave me.

1651
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:11,640
I think she, like, has a letter
written in there or something

1652
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,920
about, like, you know, informing
the parents.

1653
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,320
Think about that.
I think about that transaction.

1654
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,120
Like.
You drive across the state and

1655
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:21,920
you're like, all right, coming
home with a baby, right?

1656
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,200
Bringing a human.
Like, I mean people go like

1657
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:29,240
travel to get puppies and like.
We were.

1658
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,880
We were.
Kind of like puppies, we're just

1659
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,920
one of one in the litter, but
like, we're puppies, you know?

1660
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,840
That's kind of how it worked.
Well, back to just the

1661
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,280
creatures.
We're all just creatures.

1662
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,960
We're all just creatures.
Just needed a home and and these

1663
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,360
people gave it to us.
Yeah, seriously.

1664
01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:47,760
Yeah, that's the best.
I, I think it's always

1665
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,680
surprising to me though, and I
think it's got, it's like a lot

1666
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,600
of things in life, it's one of
those if you don't experience

1667
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,720
you, you don't truly know how it
feels.

1668
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:58,240
And that's why it's kind of cool
talking to someone else who has

1669
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:01,040
a similar experience.
Because I think like just

1670
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:03,600
judging by people's facial
expressions and curious

1671
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:06,880
questions around it, I think
they think it's a lot deeper

1672
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:07,200
than it.
Is.

1673
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:08,080
I think so.
Too.

1674
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,640
And for me, it's not that deep
there, there.

1675
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:13,160
Yeah, there's some questions out
there, but I'm such like a

1676
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:18,200
person like even though I don't
have any siblings, like my best

1677
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,160
friend is what I would consider
a brother like it.

1678
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,040
It can't get better than that.
So why make a bunch of like

1679
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:31,400
forced interaction?
That is just because like we

1680
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:36,240
came from the same human Yep,
doesn't make.

1681
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:40,520
Sense to me, I agree.
And I feel like in society these

1682
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:46,080
days, like, unfortunately, like
family units are easily pulled

1683
01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,760
apart now and like, divorce is
so common and like, you know, I

1684
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,600
don't know, you siblings go AWOL
and you don't speak to them ever

1685
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,080
again.
It's like it's just about who

1686
01:29:57,080 --> 01:29:59,040
you love.
Like your family is who you

1687
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,520
love, whether it's biological or
not Like.

1688
01:30:02,440 --> 01:30:05,240
And what and what's the ratio of
people that you've ever met that

1689
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:09,160
were like, I really love my step
sister, Like she's my favorite

1690
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:10,280
human.
Like they're out there, don't

1691
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:11,600
get me wrong.
Yeah, but like.

1692
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,520
But it's it's the minority.
Yeah, I'm not shaking the dice.

1693
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,560
Yeah, I really love my
biological brother that I met

1694
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,400
when I was almost 40.
Yeah, yeah, seriously.

1695
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:22,680
I guess she's not going to be
the.

1696
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,560
Same like it's just not.
I know it's not how it works.

1697
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:28,360
Yeah, I'll pick somebody that I
like meet on a trout stream and

1698
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:30,560
I'll be like, if I'm going to
give somebody a chance, you're.

1699
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,160
The dude, you're the dude,
right?

1700
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:36,520
Even like I think of like my
best friend Brooke, we met like

1701
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,520
for a brief time, I worked at
Bonafide Juicery when I moved

1702
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,200
back home from Milwaukee and we
met there and we were both

1703
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:46,640
working like in the operational
side of things.

1704
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,280
So like behind the scenes and me
and her met and three months

1705
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,240
after that she moved to Colorado
and we've been best friends for

1706
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,280
over 4 years.
We never lost contact.

1707
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,920
Our friendship got stronger.
We see each other three or four

1708
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:02,360
times a year.
And I'm like, damn, that girl's

1709
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,440
my sister.
She's my sister.

1710
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:08,320
Like, I couldn't imagine my life
without her.

1711
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,720
And it took three months of
knowing her to, like, know, you

1712
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,480
know, like, she's my soul
sister.

1713
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:19,320
And that's just how I treat life
and everyone, you know, Like, I

1714
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,600
didn't need to be biologically
my parents to love my parents,

1715
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:23,320
Right?
Yeah.

1716
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,400
Yeah, they did everything.
For you, Yes.

1717
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,200
Yeah.
Thank you.

1718
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:28,560
Thank you.
Yes, thank you.

1719
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:33,520
Yeah.
Yeah, it's, you know, it's, I

1720
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,760
don't know.
And, and it's strange because I

1721
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,680
think people know I'm a very
deep and reflective person.

1722
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,240
Like I like thinking about it,
but then we get on to this topic

1723
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:42,920
and it always ends up being a
nothing burger.

1724
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,040
It's just like, it's not that
deep, kind of.

1725
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,640
Yeah, yeah.
Kind of conversation, yeah, but

1726
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:50,080
people, yeah.
But that's true.

1727
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:52,960
People do think it's deep or a
lot of times they.

1728
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,120
I think they're, they think
they're stepping on egg shells

1729
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,920
around it.
They're like, is it OK if I ask

1730
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,240
about your adoption?
I'm like, yeah, yeah.

1731
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,560
It's just like if I'd ask you
about your own birth, you know,

1732
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:03,240
like.
Right.

1733
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:05,480
Yeah, yeah, It's not like I
remember the.

1734
01:32:05,480 --> 01:32:09,120
Days, right?
You know, my first memory spread

1735
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:10,760
like what, five years old or
something?

1736
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,920
Like, it doesn't, I don't
remember.

1737
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,320
It's the same thing now.
I can see how it would be

1738
01:32:15,320 --> 01:32:19,040
significantly different in other
scenarios of, of like if you

1739
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,520
were seven or something and it
happened all of that stuff, of

1740
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,840
course that's going to be a
whole different ball game.

1741
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:30,920
But I was a potato.
And two, well, I guess you would

1742
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:36,120
say four people, 3 or 4 made the
decision to do what they thought

1743
01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,720
was best for me.
And I'm grateful for that,

1744
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:39,840
right.
And that's about.

1745
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:41,760
All it is, yeah.
And that's it.

1746
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:42,840
That's.
It I got really lucky.

1747
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,720
Yes, same.
I just think, yeah, I think

1748
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,240
about like, like you said, how
your birth parents were so

1749
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,400
young, like my birth mom was
young too.

1750
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,200
And I think about where would I
be?

1751
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,280
Yeah, right.
If I wasn't giving up for

1752
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,120
adoption, like, yeah, I don't
even want to think about it.

1753
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,640
I don't have to think about it
because this is how like like

1754
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,200
luckily this is how it panned
out.

1755
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,720
Yeah, for sure.
Like you, you think about that

1756
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,520
stuff and it's like, OK, as a
kid I was already like, too

1757
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:08,920
smart for my own good.
Yep.

1758
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:15,520
Not, you know, and aimless.
And then you add what a lot of

1759
01:33:15,520 --> 01:33:20,040
so many people have to go
through of like, trauma and all

1760
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:23,840
these different things that
could potentially shift life's

1761
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:27,120
directions.
And it's like, I'm just grateful

1762
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:30,080
that I was dealt the hand I was.
And that's pretty much where I

1763
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:30,760
stopped.
Like it.

1764
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:34,320
There's a lot of things up here
that donk around that make me

1765
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,440
wonder and curious and all these
things.

1766
01:33:36,440 --> 01:33:38,680
Yeah, this just isn't really one
of them for me.

1767
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,600
Yeah.
Did you question for you?

1768
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:42,440
Did you always know you wanted
kids?

1769
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:49,560
Yeah, Yep, yeah, I I kind of
always saw that in my future.

1770
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:51,160
Did you ever think about
adoption?

1771
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:56,400
Yeah.
No, actually, no, I never really

1772
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:59,160
did.
That's strange.

1773
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:01,920
Yeah, I like, do you think about
it?

1774
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,120
Yeah.
Well, I've always felt this way.

1775
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:09,120
I have never felt like I wanted
kids, like even even like

1776
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,920
dating, like I've told partners
like don't expect me to be

1777
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,800
popping out a kid.
Like I just I've never had a

1778
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,280
maternal instinct or desire to
have children.

1779
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,400
Like if anything I'm pretty like
anti it for myself and I I have

1780
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,360
a lot of friends that have kids
and I love their kids and I love

1781
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,840
my little sister Nevaeh.
Like I would die for Nevaeh.

1782
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:33,880
But in my head like I just don't
see that for myself.

1783
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,640
I almost, if I were to decide
one day I would adopt, I think

1784
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:41,920
over having a kid.
And I don't know if it's like

1785
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:45,160
just because I didn't grow up
with biological family around

1786
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:46,360
me.
If like I think differently

1787
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,360
because of it.
But then, you know, you meet

1788
01:34:48,640 --> 01:34:52,240
another adopted person that like
knew you wanted kids.

1789
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:53,720
You know what I mean?
Like, I don't know.

1790
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:59,040
Yeah.
You know, in all honesty, I that

1791
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:03,560
gives me more gratitude for my
parents thinking about that

1792
01:35:03,560 --> 01:35:06,680
because I think it would be
really hard.

1793
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,000
I think it would be a very
difficult thing to do in a lot

1794
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,480
of different ways.
Whereas like the natural way

1795
01:35:15,480 --> 01:35:20,120
that we're kind of like created
to do it, it's almost inherent

1796
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:24,440
where the other side, I think
it's more effort and it's more

1797
01:35:24,440 --> 01:35:28,000
try and it's more like
selflessness.

1798
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:30,880
Especially because, like, you
don't know what you're going to

1799
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,640
get.
Yeah, exactly.

1800
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:36,640
Exactly.
And I guess no, if I would

1801
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:40,760
answer that thinking just on the
spot right now, I am.

1802
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,600
That terrifies me to think
about, and that gives me.

1803
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:48,080
Even more, Yeah, see, in a way
too, I think like, well, like my

1804
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:49,880
parents did a great job raising
us.

1805
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,600
Like we grew up out in the
middle of nowhere, like playing

1806
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:55,480
in the woods, like we didn't
have screen time as kids and

1807
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,720
ages.
We had such a great upbringing.

1808
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,880
And like my brother suffers with
like addiction and like

1809
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,360
substance abuse and like my
parents don't struggle with that

1810
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:07,320
and I don't struggle with that.
And it's like they couldn't have

1811
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,360
done anything else, You know, It
just, it boiled down to

1812
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,400
genetically, like what in his
brain was different and like

1813
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,200
what he suffered with mentally
that you couldn't have

1814
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:24,240
prevented, you know, and even if
it presented itself on not until

1815
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:28,280
he was a little bit older, 16 or
17, like, it's been difficult

1816
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:32,200
for my parents.
And it's like, you don't know if

1817
01:36:32,200 --> 01:36:35,760
you're going to get a baby with
fetal withdrawal syndrome or if

1818
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:41,480
the birth parents suffered from
bipolar, you know, anything

1819
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:44,360
really.
Like it's such a dangerous,

1820
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:48,120
truly a dangerous game to play,
especially if you're not going

1821
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:51,640
into it thinking no matter what,
I'm going to love this kid.

1822
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,920
Completely selfless.
Completely selfless.

1823
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,520
Yeah.
And I just think, like, thank

1824
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:59,360
God my parents were like that,
you know?

1825
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,000
And I think you feel similarly.
Yeah, 100%.

1826
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:09,160
Yeah.
It's that has to be an outside

1827
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:13,840
of or you can maybe put organ
donation with it in certain

1828
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,960
instances, but I struggle to
think of something more

1829
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:20,240
selfless.
I agree.

1830
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:22,840
Seriously.
Yeah, than adopting.

1831
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:26,080
It's amazing.
I actually watched YouTube

1832
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:29,040
video.
I've been so onto YouTube.

1833
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:32,120
I like, I hate watching TVI
never turn on TV.

1834
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:34,960
I'm listening to music,
audiobooks, podcasts or YouTube.

1835
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:37,520
That's it.
And I watched this girl who was

1836
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:41,800
adopted by white family from
Vietnam, and every single year

1837
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:45,760
since she was like, 3, they've
taken her to Vietnam for a week

1838
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:49,960
or two at a time and learned
with her about the culture and

1839
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,440
where she came from.
And, you know, it developed into

1840
01:37:53,440 --> 01:37:56,880
her just having a very strong
sense of self as an adult and,

1841
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,960
you know, frequently traveling
to Vietnam.

1842
01:37:59,960 --> 01:38:03,560
And I mean, their house was full
of Vietnamese artwork.

1843
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:09,280
And I don't know, it is
interesting to think, like, some

1844
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:12,960
people wouldn't do that.
Most people would not do that.

1845
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:17,000
Like, that family is exactly who
should be adopting kids from

1846
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:21,360
Vietnam and, you know, Guatemala
and where, you know, they need

1847
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:24,520
the help.
But some people like, I don't

1848
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:28,240
think realize that that's part
of the commitment to, you know,

1849
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:34,360
like I could see myself adopting
a kid from another country just

1850
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,240
even after like experiencing it.
And my friend and I talked about

1851
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:38,800
going back to South America next
year.

1852
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:43,640
We're thinking of going to
Patagonia or maybe Guatemala and

1853
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:48,440
seeing the the volcanoes.
But it's just after going, it's

1854
01:38:48,440 --> 01:38:51,440
like, oh, we're so lucky.
We're so lucky.

1855
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:55,840
You know, you come back to nice
house and all my, you know, my

1856
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,520
eggs and spinach and tomatoes
that I can eat every morning for

1857
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:02,280
breakfast and my freaking cat
portraits I have up on my wall.

1858
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:04,880
Like ridiculous, you know, like
ridiculous.

1859
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:12,200
And how choosing to take a child
from that situation is like, it

1860
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:15,000
makes you feel good, but it's
like a huge commitment.

1861
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,320
You know, I just, I don't know,
that story stuck out to me and

1862
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:22,880
how like, I hope those parents
keep doing that, you know,

1863
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,760
parents like that and people
like that.

1864
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,760
Yeah, and people like that,
that's a great way to put it.

1865
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:33,320
Like if that's in you, mm hmm.
That I don't think there's a

1866
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,520
higher gesture right in life.
Mm hmm.

1867
01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:38,880
I love ended up a nice.
Point you.

1868
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:39,600
I know.
Me too.

1869
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,920
I was like, how awesome, poetic.
It was awesome.

1870
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,680
Chad with you.
Thanks you too.

1871
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:46,440
Yes, thank you.
Always good.

1872
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:48,040
Always good to catch up with
you.

1873
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:52,320
Oh yeah, keep going with those
50 LB kettlebell threats.

1874
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:54,480
Thank you.
Yeah, we're up to 70 lbs now,

1875
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,280
actually.
Crazy.