Keifer Sykes - Hoops Career, Fatherhood, Deep Reflection, & Tight Hugs - Episode #58

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What's up friends, Welcome back
to Rooted Wisconsin.

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Appreciate you for clicking
another episode.

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We're grateful to have you here.
Today's episode is with Kiefer

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Sykes.
I'm so excited to share.

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Kiefer, former star at UWGB,
current pro basketball player,

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spent some time with the Pacers.
He's played overseas and such a

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cool dude.
We had an awesome conversation

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as always.
Some of it's about basketball,

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but not all that much.
It's it's a lot about life.

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He's got a really cool
documentary on Prime called Shy

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Town that he kind of get into
the back story of.

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I was intrigued when I watched
it to figure out like why there

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were cameras around him when he
was 17.

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It's a super cool story that
involves Oprah, so check that

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out too.
But first, check out our

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conversation and understand the
man.

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He he's such a cool guy.
We talked about yoga and

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meditation.
We talked about fatherhood,

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talked about the importance of
embracing the people we love

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with intention and giving big
hard hugs and what that can mean

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in life.
And just so, so much, so much

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deep reflective conversation.
That's exactly what I yearn for

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as a human.
So it was a real breath of fresh

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air chatting with Kiefer.
I'm excited to share.

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Again, grateful to have you
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And without further ado, let's
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Keep for Sykes.
I got so many things.

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I'm excited to chat with you,
but I'm like 2/3 of the way

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through the documentary, so
that's perfect.

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Yeah, I didn't get, I didn't get
the end yet.

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So maybe we'll get some of the
ending today.

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But I thought maybe a cool place
to start.

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Like one of the things that drew
me into it actually, before we

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get there.
How did that even come about?

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So it's like as someone who like
makes media like why were why

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were the cameras by you at 1617
making the documentary?

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Yeah, it's an interesting story.
It's cool because you know going

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it's called shot town
documentary, Amazon Prime.

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But yeah, being from Chicago,
Oprah, she had her last season

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of her show, I think like the
10th year of her her show.

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And the production crew was from
New York and they love

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basketball just from being in
New York, you know, another

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inner city that's big with
sports, you know, in general.

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And they, you know, was doing
their own private project.

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So, you know, they started
filming like this is a great

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happening and, you know, being
in the present time.

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But just.
Because you were kind of booming

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at the time.
No, it didn't happen like that.

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So they were recording all the
scenes.

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Well, at first they started just
they want to have a big

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basketball project, you know, so
they were filming everyone that

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has some influence on basketball
to tell just a basketball story.

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Got it.
OK.

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And we had this big non violence
prevention All Star game.

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I was a senior, so it just
happened to be my senior year.

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And they, you know, were filming
seniors that's playing high

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school basketball.
And after they, you know, had so

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many perspectives, they were
like, man, you know, the they

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couldn't tell a good story.
You know, it's like it's, it's,

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it's too broad.
So luckily when I was on the

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camera when they filmed me, you
know, I was like trying to be a

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movie star.
I'm like, all right, I'm have

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some charisma.
I'm just, you know, this is my

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shot like always, you know, so I
have fun with the camera always

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just wanted to, you know, just
had a good character, had a good

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feel, you know, So, you know,
they, they like my family, like

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my story.
I was a teenage parent at the

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time, you know, and luckily I
came to Green Bay and I was one

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of the youngest freshmen in the
country and I played a lot here,

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you know, because I went to a
mid major.

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A lot of the other scenes that
they recorded in film, they

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didn't play a lot.
So, you know, I was emerging as

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a good collegiate player and you
know, halfway through my

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freshman, they was like, Hey, we
just going to, you know, go with

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you and tell a story.
So that's that's how it

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happened.
Just just was just just luck.

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Bless a blessing, honestly.
Great place for a time.

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That's awesome.
So like the for the first, you

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know, 15 minutes of that until I
got entranced in your story,

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that's I just couldn't stop
thinking about that.

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I was like, how did this come to
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I just assumed it was because
like you were making waves in

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Chicago as a Hooper, which
obviously that's part of the

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reason why.
But then I couldn't, you know, I

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couldn't connect the dots.
That's so awesome.

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Man, yeah, yeah.
It's crazy because you think

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about like all the great players
have come from Chicago, like

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Jwari Parker, Derrick Rose,
Lizziah Thomas, Kevin Garnett

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played in Chicago, long list of
players, you know, Corey

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Mcgaddy, all these great
players, but you know, they

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don't have documentaries.
And I'm like, you know, so it

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was kind of ironic because when
they when the movie came out, it

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was like, you know, I'm like,
nobody's going to watch this.

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You know, I'm playing at Green
Bay.

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I'm just and it's, you know, I'm
living my normal life.

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You know, all this stuff is
normal to me, you know, like the

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poverty, the gun violence, the
the gangs, like I'm just

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oblivious to, you know, the
impact that this will have.

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But I'll never forget the first
Film Festival we did South by

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Southwest.
That's when, you know, the first

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Film Festival that picked up the
film, we did our premiere.

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So after, you know, we go up and
do the the Q&A with the

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directors and, you know, people
are crying.

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People are like, you're so
strong and you know, you're

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motivating and inspiring.
You know, I'm just, you know,

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I'm aware, but I'm just a humble
person and I'm just like, always

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focus on the next team.
So, you know, I, I was like, you

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know, didn't understand, but
that put a lot of things in

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perspective for me.
So that was cool.

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Yeah.
And that leads me into some of

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my first questions that I had,
because it's hard not to.

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Like, I see why they went with
the story.

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It's hard not to get drawn into
it and how you handled all of

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it, like with poison and just
like so many things being thrown

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at you.
I wanted to start with the

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teenage parent thing because I
thought that was one of the

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coolest parts of the documentary
of like it would flash forward

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to the next year and he would be
bigger and bigger And I have a

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four year old right now.
So I was like kind of living

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vicariously through that moment.
I was like, I get this like, and

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it's for one, it's awesome you
have that like memorialized, but

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and maybe there's some benefit
to being as young as you were at

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the time because maybe that
leads to some of that ability to

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compartmentalize the bad stuff
that's going on around you.

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But like, how, what was that
like, dude, what was that like

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coming to Green Bay?
You were a teenage father.

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Like, do you remember what you
felt like in those moments, like

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when you drive up to Green Bay?
Because I couldn't tell.

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Did they come with you for the
first year or did they stay?

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No, they stayed.
But but yeah, I mean, to your

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point, first, it is cool to have
that documented, you know, of me

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and him, my son, you know, then
I had a daughter, my senior in

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the movie.
But you know, it's like, man, I

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had to grow up fast, you know,
coming from Chicago where it's

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just, you know, you already have
to grow up fast.

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And then, you know, I make some
choices that, you know, make

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life, you know, more, you know,
harder.

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Then I lose my father, who is
like my guy, who, you know,

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someone who instilled a lot of
leadership and, you know, taught

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me how to handle everything.
But burden burdened a lot for

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me.
But, you know, things changed,

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you know, when he passed away.
So I had to grow up even faster.

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So just the way my life set up,
I had to grow up, you know,

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pretty fast.
But it is cool, you know, to

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have that documented, you know,
being able to see those times

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where he would come, my son
would come up here with me and

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just be walking around the gym
or, you know, helping me

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remember how I will go to class.
And we'll just have to find

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someone to watch him while I
have class.

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And, you know, just someone to
watch him while I'm doing my

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homework.
And, you know, just being a

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college kid, but also being a
young, young parent trying to

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figure it out.
So it's cool that, you know,

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have that documented.
And but, you know, me and my

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son, we pretty much had to, to
grow up together.

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And, you know, making that
transition from Chicago to inner

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city to Green Bay.
I, I tell people the best thing

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for me, which is why I feel like
I'm still here.

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You know, that that time in life
was like where I grew from a, a

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kid to an adult, you know, like
a boy to a man.

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People like to say, but this is
the best place for me.

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You know, it's very much
peaceful, loyal, you know,

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positive people, family, family,
like people, you know, which,

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you know, kind of mimic the life
that I live, you know, 'cause I

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had that, you know, at home with
my mom and dad and my family,

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but outside my doors, I didn't
have that.

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So to finally have that safe
haven here was, you know, life

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changing for me.
It helped me succeed.

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You know, I would like to tell
people.

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Yeah, yeah.
So much about that is awesome.

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And I recognize that that was
very clear in the documentary

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was like, it was awesome.
How like this, a lot of the

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story was about the tumultuous
stuff going on outside, but

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every time he walked in the
doorman, everybody was smiling

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and happy.
And just like that wasn't what

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was on the front of the mind.
And one of my favorite scenes

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you kind of just brought up a
little bit is when your son is,

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it looked like it.
I don't know if there's a dorm

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room or an apartment or
something, but you were there.

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It looked like with like 4
roommates and you were video

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chatting with his mom and you
said something like he is at

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home.
And your son was like, I'm going

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to stay here.
Yeah, yeah, that moment was

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funny.
Yeah.

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That is one of my favorite
moments in the movie because

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it's like, you know, that's that
shows you like I say in our

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relationship, you know, he grow
with me like he always favoured

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me.
You know, he has my name and you

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know, he just echoing whatever I
tell him to say, you know, such

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at a young fun age.
But but yeah, man, like you say,

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that moment where we, me and my
roommates, we sitting at the

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kitchen table probably don't
have food, trying to make any

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food, burning food, just trying
to figure it out, get through

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college.
They got nil now, which is

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crazy.
But you know, but we were just

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living life and enjoying it.
And especially in Green Bay,

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man, we had a lot of fun, a lot
of good times.

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And you know, obviously of have
left the long lasting impact and

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you know, a lot of success for
us in our adult life.

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Yeah, yeah, I kept putting
myself in those shoes.

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Like I thought about myself
navigating as like a 19 year old

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first time college student.
And I tried, like, imagining

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myself throwing my kid in there
too.

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And it had to be so hard at
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You're just trying to learn what
to do.

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I was, I mean, at least for me,
I was still trying to learn how

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to be an adult.
And you actually joked about

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that.
You said something like, I don't

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know if I'm ready to be an adult
yet or something like that.

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But I guess when you have to,
you have to, you know.

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Yeah, yeah.
I mean, luckily I had a lot of

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help, you know, because, you
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grow up in Chicago.
That's why I like, you know,

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even though I didn't have much,
I feel like I had a lot because

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I had support, you know, like
here it was the support, you

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know, so it wasn't like I was
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You know, I've seen I've seen
people that don't have support

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or don't have resources, don't
have anyone to call or, you

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know, when I did need, you know,
100 bucks to buy him a coat, I

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could find someone or ask
someone or, you know, be able to

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have like a stipend and have to
make decisions, you know, adult

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decisions where it's like, OK,
maybe everybody's getting a new

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iPhone, but I got to buy a coat
and some shoes for us.

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But I was able, you know, I come
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able.
So, you know, I just always

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appreciate tip grateful.
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to go hard and stay focused and,
you know, have my son, you know,

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gave me a sense of maturity
where I was like, OK, I have to,

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you know, prevail through these
obstacles.

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You know, I have to make it and
have self-discipline, be

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resilient and be persistent and
consistent on, you know, just

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making the right decision every
day and doing my best.

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And I just lead to, you know,
just me growing into a man at

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those times.
Yeah, it did a lot of like that.

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Like that doesn't come natural.
Often times it's taught.

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Did a lot of that come from your
dad, like the resilience, the

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persistence, all that stuff?
Yeah, a lot of it came from my

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dad, you know, with me being the
youngest.

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So like he spent a lot of time
with me, you know, he spent a

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lot of time, man.
My friend was just telling me

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this yesterday.
My actually Carrington, my point

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guard shooting guard from
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He was my backcourt mate here.
But he was like, you know, we

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were talking about that and I
was just saying how my dad, I

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feel like he will always be
giving me lessons.

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You know, I will always, you
know, the conversation was

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always deep at a young age and
I'm like, this is always too,

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too strong.
But he's giving me lessons.

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And then, you know, it was like
because he passed away, but it

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was like maybe he was preparing
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We had the conversation like he
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but he was preparing me because
he must have knew something, you

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know, because with his health or
just him knowing his time or

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just, you know, so it was like,
you know, he really raised me

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correctly in the midst of chaos,
which, you know, even at home

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with us having so many, me
having so many siblings and us

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having so many kids.
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you know, gave me a lot of
wisdom and set a lot of good

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examples for me.
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You know, another thing I
noticed the shift gears a little

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bit.
I thought it was in getting to

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know you just a little bit here.
I'm not surprised, but maybe it

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stems from some of those deep
conversations that you're

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comfortable with.
But I noticed that everybody

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embrace in the documentary, like
when you hug somebody like you

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mean it like.
That's one thing I noticed is, I

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don't know, jumped off the
screen for me.

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Is that how you feel?
Yeah, it's crazy to say that

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because I like to tell people I
like to give the tightest hugs.

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So like when I hug somebody, I
squeeze them.

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You know, I just, I don't know
where that came from.

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So I was even crazy that you
noticed that.

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But I do, you know, that's, you
know, I just like to embrace

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people, make them feel loved,
make them feel, you know,

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nurtured, like you saw on the
film.

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You know, every fan I spend time
with was intentional.

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You know, I'm big on
intentionality, I'm big on, you

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know, integrity.
I'm big on, you know, presence.

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A lot of that stems from the
yoga mat too, just being in a

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moment and enjoying that moment
because you know, I've seen a

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lot of people come and go.
You know, unfortunately from

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where I'm from, you see somebody
here today going tomorrow, which

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is still happening, you know, in
my life, around my life and

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extension of my life from things
that I see.

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And you know, in the time that
we live in now, social media,

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everything is pretty much
superficial.

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So I just like to, you know,
stay genuine, stay real.

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I like, I feel like I have a old
soul, like you say, because of

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my father.
I know we reference him a lot,

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but he means a lot to me.
And yeah, those are the most

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important things in life to me.
Yeah, I could tell.

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I could tell by watching and
maybe in some ways it's because

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I've I feel the same way a lot.
It's funny talking about this.

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I just did AI just did a fishing
trip with some of my old

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buddies.
And as I was leaving, one of one

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of my friends is a really like
like a gruff guy, you know, like

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he's a tough guy, doesn't hug or
whatever.

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So as we were saying goodbyes, I
made fun of him because I was

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like, I know you're not standing
up because I know you're you

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know, I'm going to hug you and
I'm going to hug you as hard as

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I can.
And he didn't and he didn't do

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it.
So then my other buddy, I, you

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know, I hugged him.
I hugged everybody on the way

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because I'm not going to see you
for a year.

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We're going to be different
people when I see you again.

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Yeah, And I noticed it right
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Everybody like everybody that
you embrace like you did it with

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intention.
It was awesome.

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Yeah.
I mean, you never know what

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happens.
Look at COVID, right?

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Like COVID time, you never know
someone with health, you know,

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with the randomness, you know,
so next time, man, just jump on

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them.
You know, you know what I'm

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saying?
Strong some love because but you

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know, I've I've been around, you
know, I have enough for profit

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organization that, you know,
help kids that have, you know,

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deal with trauma and crises and
mental health.

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You know, all that stuff is big.
You never know that people may

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need that love.
You know, like, like I say, I

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that was the the thing that I
was most grateful for, you know,

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that I had a home that was love.
You know, my, I saw my parents

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married for 25 years, you know,
amongst my friends with single

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parents or even being raised by
that grandparents or, you know,

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people just fighting and, you
know, a lot of killing.

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You know, it's like people just
need love, you know, like, you

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know, so that's why I, like you
said, I like just on the drive

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from Green Bay, I mean, from
Chicago to Green Bay, it was

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like a change in atmosphere and
just mental.

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I could just relax and release
and, you know, just a different

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environment for me.
And when I learned that like,

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OK, it's OK to have love or like
people leave their dope.

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People have cars open, like no
one's going to steal nothing.

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No one's going to hurt each
other.

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If you drop something, they're
going to, you know, give it to

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you.
And it may sound so simple, but,

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you know, you know, like, it's
just a randomness of life.

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And like you said, man, people
need love.

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And it's what makes the world a
better place.

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Yeah.
If we have more of that world

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would be better for sure.
Yeah, there's an awesome social

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media video in the abyss of like
negativity that is social media.

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There's these glimmers of hope
in there.

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And there's this awesome one
that I think of in that concept

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where that like, I can't
remember if it's a dad or but

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it's in it like it's a father
figure.

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And he's like really getting
after a teenager.

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And then after he gets what I
see as his point across, he like

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gives him the biggest hug and
then the teenager just turns

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into a puddle, you know?
And it's that concept of of

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people needing love.
It's really interesting you

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connect that to yoga that let's
talk about how'd you get started

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with yoga anyway?
Like what?

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How'd you first get into it?
Yeah.

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So Tremont Williams, cornerback
for the Packers, he is a good

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friend of me when I met him when
I was here.

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So, you know, when I'm playing
football and, you know, me

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coming here, those are the first
professional athletes I met.

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So, you know, people wonder why,
like, oh, he's from Chicago.

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Well, he's a Packer fan, you
know, But it's like I never met

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any professional athletes before
I came to college.

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And these were the first people
who same thing, show me love,

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show me support.
They would come to my games.

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They would give me tickets to
their games.

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I came with them outside of, you
know, football.

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They will let me, you know, come
over, have a meal, you know?

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So, yeah, he introduced me to
yoga.

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And you know how I play
basketball is very fast twitch,

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athletic, strong, quick.
Rash jumping out the gym, yeah.

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Jumping out the gym just
aggressive, you know, so it's

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like so to see, you know, to see
these guys who tackle players,

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you know, Sid Hut boom smash
into guys.

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It's like a car crash, every
place seeing injuries to see

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them do yoga and the common
place that it put them in how

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how it keeps them durable and
flexible.

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Because I had a few injuries in
college which kept us away from

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the tournament.
I would say, you know, ankle

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injuries.
And they introduced me to that.

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And I'll never forget, you know,
at the end, it's called

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Shavasana, where you lay down
and you just empty your mind,

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you know, empty your body, you
don't move and you just breathe.

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I'll never forget that serenity
that I felt in that moment.

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And I was like, I have, I just
from there, I was chasing yoga,

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chasing that, chasing that
serenity again and again and,

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and that peace and, you know, so
that's how I got in and, you

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know, being then I learned to be
more conscious and I know how to

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connect my breath.
And you know, the breath is the

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difference between life and
death.

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You know, once you don't have
the breath, no more you're

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going.
So, you know, yoga is magic.

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Once you were able to connect
that amount of presence and

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focus into the inner.
It makes everything outside, you

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know in the universe that much
more better for you.

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So you know, yoga is great as I
don't know if I don't meant to

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get that deep, but yoga is my
probably my favorite thing in

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the world is is magic.
I tell people that's all I can

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tell them to explain it. 100%
yeah, that's what we do.

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We get, I try to get deep as
fast as we can because that's

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where real life is, man.
But I can't agree more.

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I started I started yoga during
COVID.

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I had, I didn't do, I didn't do
yoga until then.

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So I was probably in my early
30s at that time, 3334,

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something like that.
And I just did it.

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So I hurt my ankle playing
basketball.

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And that happened a little after
I started yoga, actually.

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So I'll leave that for later.
But I just did it as like

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something to keep my body active
during COVID when I was like in

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the house sitting on my computer
all day working.

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And I had that same thing where
I didn't really expect the

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mental benefits.
And when they came, I was like,

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OK, this is staying in my life
forever.

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And I I love meditation too.
I don't have that in as

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ingrained in my practice as I do
yoga.

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Like I do yoga a few times a
week, but I love meditating too.

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But for some reason I don't find
the same amount of time for

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that.
Do you meditate at all?

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Yeah, yeah, I meditate a lot.
So a meditation is, is one of

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the most powerful things I got
out of yoga too.

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So, you know, I try to meditate
every day.

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But like you say, I think that's
something we all have to be more

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intentional about.
For sure.

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Me, I, I, I, I meditate pretty
much every day.

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I love the Mindspot app.
It helps me pretty much sleep.

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So I usually meditate and zone
out, go to sleep.

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But yeah, meditation is
something that I always go to,

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especially when I, you know,
need the answers, you know, like

439
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,400
need to figure something out.
I'm like, all right, I need to

440
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,200
just, you know, meditate and it
helps me a lot, helps clear the

441
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,920
brain cutter.
And I promise it just gives me

442
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,840
whatever I need.
It's probably wounded up because

443
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,520
I thinking about so many things,
you know, social media we

444
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,480
flashing through it makes us,
you know, just hyperactive is

445
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,840
able to help me get the the
silence I need, the stillness I

446
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,320
need to figure, you know, out
what I really need.

447
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,800
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's when when I was doing it

448
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,120
the most, that's when I actually
implemented in my life.

449
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:38,680
The best is right before I would
fall asleep, I would wake up so

450
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,360
many times.
So I use Headspace and there's

451
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,720
some other apps that ended up
being better.

452
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,360
But at that time I was using
Headspace so many times I woke

453
00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:47,960
up with my phone on my chest
just.

454
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,760
Yeah, knocks you out too.
Yeah, yeah, Life changing, man,

455
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:58,520
Life changing.
It's, I don't know that even

456
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:04,600
just altering your mindset
towards things that you want is

457
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,440
powerful.
And maybe I, I, maybe I always

458
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,200
did that, but I never realized
the power of it till I started

459
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,720
like being intentional about,
OK, I'm going to, I'm going to

460
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,440
focus my energy in this place.
And then I started a

461
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,880
manifestation journal that was
crazy when I would manifest

462
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,720
stuff in like 2 months later,
would like come to life and I'd

463
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,360
be like, OK, there's, there's
something to this stuff.

464
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,280
And I don't know, it's just I've
never, I've never finished a

465
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,760
yoga session and wished I had
been doing something else that

466
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,920
means something.
Yeah, it's the best.

467
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,600
It's, you know, cheating your
mind, your body, your spirit,

468
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:44,240
you know, like, like they said
before you even start class,

469
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,560
like, you know, the, the
instructors usually like, all

470
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,320
right, put your phone away, you
know, give this time to

471
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,720
yourself.
Everything is going to still be

472
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,000
there when you come back, You
know, because we like say we so

473
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,720
attached to a lot of things and
you know, output, you know, our

474
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,240
energy is always exerted and we
never give that time to

475
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,760
ourselves, which is we should
give more time to ourselves.

476
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
You know, it's, it's what yoga
makes you realize, like you

477
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,480
said, once you give that one
hour, you're like, man, maybe I

478
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,600
should have, you know, yet
another yoga Class A couple more

479
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,120
this week, you know, so that's,
that's that's how I usually

480
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:17,040
feel.
It's crazy because we were

481
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,560
talking about the yoga before
today.

482
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,320
So even I was like, man, I got a
set at 6:30, but how does it

483
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,400
mean at 5:30?
So Dang it, you know, I can't

484
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,480
make it.
So, you know, it always, you

485
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,600
know, leave you with that
feeling.

486
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,320
But but yeah, to your other
point about just manifestation,

487
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:39,640
you know, journaling, you know,
like yoga, you know, guided me

488
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,720
to those things, you know,
reading books, you know,

489
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:49,120
learning how to invest and, you
know, be healthier and learn

490
00:24:49,120 --> 00:24:52,280
about mental health and how I
could be better.

491
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,840
And healing journey, you know,
is it awakens you to so many

492
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,120
things.
So, you know, that's a big part

493
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,240
of my life too, you know, law of
attraction, you know, being

494
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,320
positive, you know, like the
power of your subconscious mind,

495
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,520
you know, rewiring that.
And, you know, those are the

496
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:17,160
things that helped me have a lot
of success in my career and

497
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720
just, you know, continuing to
figure out my journey on, you

498
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,640
know, my greatness and, you
know, figuring out, you know,

499
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,240
more and more success.
But those things are are are

500
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,160
vital.
You know, I think those things,

501
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,320
you know, still put a pen to
paper these days rather than

502
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,840
just texting or, you know, the
notes app, which I love.

503
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,040
I use notes my I've will the
notes app, but just still

504
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,840
putting that pen to paper, you
know, affirmation.

505
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Those things are are very, very,
you know, powerful and

506
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,320
attracting things.
Like you say, once that happens,

507
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,920
you you see the serendipity of
like, oh, wow, this happened and

508
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,160
what a coincidence or how In
Sync things get.

509
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Are you like, oh, now I'm
starting to see this more like

510
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,400
you say, in two months.
Oh, it is happening.

511
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,680
I'm getting closer and closer.
So those things are things that

512
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,920
I really believe in, you know,
just the power of, like you say,

513
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,680
putting out energy into the
universe, you know, even

514
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:18,000
everything you speak and you
know, it will revolve right back

515
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:19,440
into you.
I think that's that's definitely

516
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,000
how the world works.
Yeah.

517
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,400
Yeah, I believe that.
Same.

518
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,960
Absolutely.
Yeah.

519
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,000
Yeah, I saw you.
You.

520
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,440
You had some books on your
Instagram story this morning.

521
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,720
Oh yeah.
You loaded up.

522
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,120
Yeah.
So that's what it was like last

523
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:31,760
night.
Same thing.

524
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,000
I was meditating before I went
to sleep.

525
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,680
I could barely sleep and I'm
like, all right, let me download

526
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,760
some books, Let me just do this,
do this, do this, you know, so

527
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,560
my, my brain is just always
racing, especially like, yeah,

528
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,280
when I get into that meditative
state.

529
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,320
So yeah, download it some new
books.

530
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,560
I'm excited because, you know,
it's also, yeah, like what you

531
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,680
feed your mind.
So I'm like always big on.

532
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:54,640
I spend a lot of time
travelling.

533
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,520
I spend a lot of time in season,
you know, by myself.

534
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,440
I spend a lot of time on the
road Rd. games when I'm not with

535
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,760
my family, I spend a lot of time
in the car.

536
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,000
So I'm like, you know, I used
to, well, I still love music,

537
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,640
you know, and it's different
types of music, classical music,

538
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,440
things that could, you know, tap
into your the powers of the

539
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,160
brain.
However, I realize like, OK, we

540
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,480
hear our favorite song, right?
That three minute song, we

541
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,280
listen to it 1000 times in our
life.

542
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,080
That's 3000 minutes that we
heard the same words, the same

543
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:32,480
lyrics.
I could have read maybe 25

544
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,840
books, you know, So audio books
is something that's big for me.

545
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,640
Obviously hear podcasts ain't
listening to podcasts now.

546
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600
So when I'm driving, you know, I
just pop on the audio books now.

547
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Listen, you know, learn, get
smarter, get smarter.

548
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,520
I'm just, I'm really a nerd at
heart.

549
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,480
I'm really a nerd at heart.
Just trying to see how I could

550
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,040
just get better and better each
and every day.

551
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,360
But, you know, yeah, grab some
audio books.

552
00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:57,680
I like to read a lot and just
get smarter and just learn as

553
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,480
much as I can and pass the
information down.

554
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,680
Yeah.
The definition of nerd is

555
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,280
relative, man.
I think it's cool as hell.

556
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,480
But yeah, my wife will watch the
same movie, man.

557
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,360
My wife will watch the same
movie.

558
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,280
Like there's a couple of the go
to.

559
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,600
Is that like it played on like
daytime cable that if she gets

560
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,280
some time, especially before we
had a kid, she worked like super

561
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,960
early hours.
So I would come home from work

562
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,720
and she'd be watching like what
are some of the go to?

563
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,840
The one with Drew Barrymore and
Adam Sandler that were they?

564
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,440
She can't remember.
She wakes up a I can't remember

565
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,000
that one.
The help.

566
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,360
She watch the help all the time.
And I'm like, darling, don't you

567
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:35,480
at least want to watch a new
movie?

568
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,800
But it's weird.
People find comfort in different

569
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,280
places.
And that's her comfort, that

570
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,520
revolving door when really she's
not watching the movie.

571
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,000
She that's her style of
meditation, you know.

572
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,040
Yeah.
You mentioned some nonprofits

573
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,240
before and we talked about gun
violence a little bit.

574
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,360
Isn't that a nonprofit you are
involved with now?

575
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Run.
Yeah, it's when I found it.

576
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,600
So I thought so, you know, so
when I had the movie, it comes

577
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,760
out and like I said, I got the
reaction from people that was

578
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,560
like, oh man, how can I help?
And I'm like, you know,

579
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,560
honestly, I'm blessed with the
talent.

580
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:11,720
You know, helping others is my
passion.

581
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,200
It's my true passion, honestly,
more than basketball.

582
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,480
But basketball is my talent that
God gave me and my way of

583
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,760
expressing that and reaching a
lot of people.

584
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000
But just like I said, helping
make the world a better place

585
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,360
coming from my circumstances and
being able to get out of that

586
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,680
and travel the world, I want
that same thing for people that

587
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,040
don't have a talent OR don't
have the education.

588
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,640
I don't have the support or
they're stuck, you know, just

589
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:40,760
stuck in life trying to figure
it out.

590
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,560
So I was like, I want to create
a not-for-profit to, you know,

591
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,320
if people want to help, then we
could help, you know, find a way

592
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,880
to do that.
So yeah, I create the Free 10

593
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,240
Foundation, helping people
that's been affected by gun

594
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:02,680
violence, drugs, incarceration
and poverty, you know, just

595
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,600
other, other crises, just being
underprivileged, you know,

596
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,280
because that was my environment,
that was my mental, that was my

597
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:17,920
mindset, that was my mind frame
survival, you know, you know, I

598
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,720
only want to go down that
because we talk about, you know,

599
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
just staying positive.
But yeah, that was that was the

600
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440
atmosphere.
So, you know, just finding ways

601
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,520
to, you know, change a couple
lives.

602
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Hopefully, you know, I've been
able to change a lot.

603
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:36,120
So yeah, I founded that in 2018
and we've been doing great.

604
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,000
So it's been, it's been amazing.
It's been amazing.

605
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,400
That's awesome.
When did you, when did you

606
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,320
identify that?
When did you identify that

607
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000
supporting people was the core
value that you wanted to do?

608
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Do you remember?
Yeah, I mean, I always see my

609
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,000
dad.
So my dad, he was the vice

610
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,720
president of a gym growing up
and you know, our family was

611
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,640
like the family people was like,
man, I wish you know, I had a

612
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080
mom and dad.
I wish, you know, my dad was

613
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,720
just such has such a good
character.

614
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,600
You know, take took in
everybody, like taking care of

615
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
everybody, just being a father
figures to everybody who wants

616
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,520
to talk, who needs support.
You know, for single moms, they

617
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,480
need a dad to step in and go to
teach a parent conference, to go

618
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,760
to the school and check on the
kids, discipline kids, you know,

619
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,960
just, you know, keep us on a
straight path.

620
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,720
My dad was there for, you know,
everybody.

621
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,200
So just really watching him
navigate life in the midst of,

622
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,440
you know, taking care of all of
us, taking care of home.

623
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,080
And, you know, really, it was
honestly a sacrifice.

624
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,480
You know, it was, I know it was
his passion, his purpose, you

625
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,440
know, so it became my passion
and purpose.

626
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,680
But you know, it's also was a
sacrifice.

627
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,400
You know, I fly.
He sacrificed to lie from

628
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,600
himself, you know, sacrifice
from the family and just

629
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,600
sacrifice his life, you know,
to, to help so many others.

630
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:02,240
So which makes me think this is
the first time I had this, this

631
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:03,440
thought.
Like, I feel like I'm the same

632
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,680
way, you know, I feel like I,
you know, could have probably

633
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,280
given more time to my son and my
kids and given so much more to

634
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,360
my career.
But I'm always trying to

635
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,720
champion everyone, you know,
And, you know, I think it's, you

636
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,560
know, my purpose, my passion,
the right thing to do.

637
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:27,360
And, you know, I feel like it's
going to be more relative down

638
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,640
the line.
Or maybe I just, you know, on

639
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,280
the outside looking in, I can't
tell.

640
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,240
But, you know, it's going to be
the the legacy and impact going

641
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,040
forward as I continue to build
that out.

642
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,400
But but yeah, man, my dad
sacrificed to help so many

643
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,080
people live my life bigger than
his own.

644
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:48,200
So that was just always he was
like hero, you know, a role

645
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,320
model and like, you know,
Superman, like it's always

646
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,560
someone that we want to be like,
I want to put on a costume and

647
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,160
save the world like him.
So, you know, that's, you know,

648
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,680
that's kind of what I, you know,
created and, you know, been

649
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,360
trying to live out with just
different projects.

650
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,160
And like I said, the
not-for-profit and just sports

651
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,840
business, you know, me having
camps and things like that and

652
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,800
just, you know, just everyday
really just educate myself to

653
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,600
educate others.
Yeah, I think it's such an

654
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560
important identification.
That's why I asked.

655
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,440
Like I've like, I've thought
about this a lot because I went

656
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,920
through a similar awareness
thing.

657
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
I guess we're like, I identified
I was at a point in my career,

658
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,760
like I'm a marketer.
I worked in radio.

659
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400
That was what I was doing.
But then like seemingly

660
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,360
overnight, like one night, I
realized like, yeah, it's cool.

661
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Like I'm helping people sell a
bunch of fish fries and cars and

662
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,920
stuff, but I don't really care
that much.

663
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,520
I like, I wanted to support
people.

664
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,280
And I was in my mid 20s at that
time probably.

665
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,120
And I hadn't really thought
about life that way.

666
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,480
And I wonder, I wonder if it's
more widespread than people are

667
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:05,760
able to make it come to life.
Because once I, once I like

668
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,239
identified that I couldn't keep
working, doing what I was doing.

669
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,199
Like I closed my marketing
agency, I left my job.

670
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,760
I was like, OK, I need to
fulfill my, I need to fill my

671
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,480
bucket.
I need to fulfill my mission in

672
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:18,719
life.
And what that is is helping

673
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239
people.
And since that has happened,

674
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,560
I've had a bunch of cool stuff
happen in life.

675
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,960
And I feel like that's one of my
missions of the podcast is I

676
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,679
want to like shine a positive
light on humanity.

677
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:33,080
And just like the more one hour
conversations that people will

678
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,239
take the time to listen to with
all kinds of different people, I

679
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,920
think the better off society
will be.

680
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,520
But like, I wonder if there's a
bunch of people that don't know

681
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,800
that that's their outlet, don't
know that if they supported

682
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,679
people more, they'd be more
content when everybody's rushing

683
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,159
around and posting the the
prettiest pic on Instagram and

684
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,120
all that stuff.
I don't know, Not really a

685
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,400
question in there, but it's just
something I've thought of a lot.

686
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Yeah, yeah, that's a great
thought.

687
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,080
And that and that goes back to
me speaking on sacrifice.

688
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,640
You know, people just want to,
you know, make as much money as

689
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,960
they can or, you know, work as
hard as they can.

690
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,160
And you know, that's what I'm
saying.

691
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,480
So to see my dad like sacrifice
that or like you say, you

692
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:20,960
sacrifice your job or your
career, whatever it was to

693
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,720
inspire be a storyteller in a
sense, you know, have an impact

694
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:35,680
is filling yourself up, but
creating a legacy or, you know,

695
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:37,520
making the world a better place.
He's like you said, one person

696
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,600
hated story or a story or a
podcast, one of the hour

697
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:46,560
segments and they follow that,
you know, that that would make

698
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,320
the next person, next person,
next person a better place by

699
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,120
the lives they affecting the
lives you affect by telling

700
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,160
someone's story, telling your
story and just being an outlet

701
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,760
that sacrifice because we can
always keep it in and just like

702
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,840
the world we live in today, like
say we want to hoard everything,

703
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840
keep everything for ourselves.
Don't even want to give other

704
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,600
people information and you know,
don't want to have nobody else

705
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,800
make money.
I want it all.

706
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,240
You know, you know that
sometimes the world we live in.

707
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:14,160
So someone like Kobe, you know
who his biggest quote was, like,

708
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,920
you know, it's about how the
Mama mentality and like it's

709
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,320
about how many people I can
inspire, how many lives I

710
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:21,920
inspire.
You know, even with him with

711
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,280
winning Oscar, becoming a book
writer and a storyteller and all

712
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,400
the things that he plan to do,
rest in peace to him.

713
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,560
He was one of my.
He's always one of my favourite

714
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,120
and he's for sure one of my
favourites, probably top five in

715
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,240
life.
But yeah, he's someone that, you

716
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:40,520
know, that I look up to because
when he was done, he was just,

717
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,200
you know, inspiring.
And it was a great transition to

718
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,360
see from when he was just so
obsessed with just being great

719
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,960
in basketball and then started
being obsessive with his family,

720
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,000
his kids and telling the story,
you know, So that's why I like

721
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,760
love storytelling in this aspect
of, you know, a media, how he

722
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,720
was getting into media and, you
know, like having a movie and

723
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,000
one day want to write a book and
things like that.

724
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:11,880
So the more we share and taking
that sacrifice to share is, you

725
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,920
know, something that means that
means a lot to me.

726
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,200
And I'll finish by saying, like,
even now, you know, it's

727
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,800
October, the NBA started, you
know, everybody's playing

728
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,280
basketball right now.
But I sacrifice sometimes, you

729
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,360
know, to be with my kids or to,
you know, be able to tell these

730
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,960
stories and, you know, be the
general manager to spend time

731
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
and help these young athletes
and help those college athletes.

732
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,320
And I could just be going to
make money like every other

733
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,040
athlete or, you know, be so
locked in on my greatness.

734
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,120
That's why I say I feel like
sometimes I've sacrificed, but I

735
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,360
believe, you know, legacy is
where I'm at in life and having

736
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,960
an impact of, you know, even
like I say, if it just changed

737
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,360
one life, somebody that was
going down the wrong road and

738
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,280
they go down the right Rd., it's
going to be a blessing in the

739
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,720
end.
Absolutely.

740
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,040
Even if someone person starts
doing yoga because he was

741
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,880
talking about it like that could
change their life.

742
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,080
Yeah.
Yeah, man, Absolutely.

743
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,760
You just got your jersey retired
and you wore 24 at GB, right?

744
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:09,960
Yeah.
OK, I did.

745
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,600
That's what I said.
Kobe.

746
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:15,600
Kobe, when he was talking about
that last week, he was a big

747
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,680
influence on me.
Sure.

748
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:23,560
Yeah, Kobe's my favorite NBA
player too, Like, but I think

749
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,080
we're we're pretty close to the
same age.

750
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,120
I think you might be a little
bit younger than me, but like

751
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Kobe was, he transcended a lot
of things.

752
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,240
Like he was bigger than life in
a in a lot of ways.

753
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,640
And it was cool seeing that like
the development you were just

754
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,680
talking about of like, I think
some of that's especially from a

755
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,000
high like the top echelon
professional athletes like to

756
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,200
get there.
They live 8 and break breathe

757
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,600
that every single day.
And then once you get towards

758
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,040
the end, it is you got to start
shifting your mindset about

759
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,120
what's different.
But it's been interesting to see

760
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,720
like some another one of my
favorites is Aaron Rodgers.

761
00:38:59,720 --> 00:39:01,840
I love Aaron Rodgers.
It's been interesting to see him

762
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,600
do that even before he retired,
like the past five years.

763
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,400
Aaron Rodgers is way different
than 10 years ago Aaron Rodgers.

764
00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,280
And I feel like, I mean, and you
can run down the list of the

765
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,120
greats, you know, like Tiger the
same way.

766
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,960
And part of it is maturation,
but part of it is also shifting

767
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,280
the mindset because of like to
get to that level, you have to

768
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:28,880
be so hyper focused.
But then it's realizing the

769
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,880
stuff we were just talking
about.

770
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,240
It's realizing what actually
matters to you and finding

771
00:39:34,240 --> 00:39:37,640
fulfilment in things other than
that, right?

772
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,680
Is that what you're getting at?
Yeah, yeah, definitely another

773
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,400
person who's my favorite, you
know, and I'm not saying this in

774
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,040
in a negative light, but
because, you know, who knows

775
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,360
anyone personal situation or
what goes on with life, but, you

776
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,080
know, I could say there's all
these people you have certain

777
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,480
perspectives and opinions on,
right.

778
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,440
So Aaron Rodgers, it's cool to
see him, like you said, get

779
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,040
married, go through his healing
journey, whatever it looks like,

780
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,160
you know, tell people, hey, I'm.
I don't care how you judge me or

781
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,760
your opinions.
I'm just focused on doing what

782
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,280
I'm doing.
So I'm excited, you know, that

783
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,840
he's having success this year.
I'm excited that he's healthy on

784
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,240
the field and off the field.
You know, he has a wife now and

785
00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:28,600
things like that.
I'm excited that he play Green

786
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,720
Bay this weekend.
Just relatively, you know, right

787
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,400
now, however, there's someone
else who's, you know, all the

788
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,440
people, Tiger, all these people
are my favorite and Tom Brady.

789
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,480
But those two, like you say,
they sacrificed so much that

790
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:43,040
they lost their families to
being obsessive, you know, which

791
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,320
is, you know, no, no judgement
of character to them, no

792
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,720
responsibility to them because
maybe the people that they had

793
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,400
around them couldn't handle it.
You know, the lifestyle, the,

794
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,960
the, you know, the sacrifices we
talked about that it would take

795
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:03,040
to be with someone like that,
you know, and we don't know what

796
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:06,000
they deal with personally.
But however, you know, like we

797
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,840
talk about fulfilment, you know,
someone like LeBron that look

798
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,320
like, look at he's a great
example because like he still

799
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,360
has his family, you know, his
kid in the NBA, like, you know,

800
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,520
he kind of seems like the
perfect, you know what he does

801
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,360
like perfect person, which is
hard to come by.

802
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,920
You know, nobody's perfect.
But it's hard to see examples

803
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,160
like that because you know, with
this game, you do have to be

804
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,880
extreme, like you said, if you
want to be at the highest levels

805
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,200
and want to succeed.
So it's like you use it's no

806
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,240
balance on that tightrope, you
know, so and everyone can handle

807
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,320
it.
So you know, but true

808
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,280
fulfillment takes sacrifice.
You know, those are things that

809
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,480
we know, we know we, you know,
allude to.

810
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,640
So you know, everybody's journey
different.

811
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,880
Everything is, you know,
nothing, No, nothing's perfect.

812
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Nobody's perfect, however, but
you want to try to get it is

813
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,320
right as much as much as you
can.

814
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,760
I don't know why sacrifice has
been such a big word today, but

815
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,880
sacrifice is a big part of it.
You know, it's, it's hard

816
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,400
though.
It's, it's very hard to, you

817
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,720
know, sacrifice you want to do
or, you know, some people make

818
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,160
sacrifice for the team or, you
know, make sacrifice for

819
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,360
yourself or for your kids.
It's no right answers to this,

820
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,840
to this game of life, you know,
but.

821
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,840
That's the hard thing.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a great

822
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,360
journey.
So I like to learn from everyone

823
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,240
though.
Yeah, that's a great call out

824
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:31,240
about Brown and that's that's a
good like, what would you call

825
00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:34,480
it That's a good like dichotomy
or disparity in life about like

826
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,600
it seems like everyone is just
waiting for someone like that to

827
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,400
mess up.
It's like, why don't you just

828
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,840
root for the dude, you know,
like, like champion that guy for

829
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,640
doing that, Like, because you're
right that it's hard.

830
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,120
It's hard for every single
person.

831
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,520
It's hard to like you mentioned
your, your parents staying

832
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,520
married earlier.
It's hard to stay married to

833
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,200
somebody for 40 years.
Like it takes a lot of work and

834
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,160
courage and openness and
dialogue and all that stuff.

835
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,200
And that's not even taking the
rest of life stuff, dude.

836
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,560
Like, I don't know, I just like
when people get championed, you

837
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:13,440
know, and it's it's awesome and
always being a Kobe guy.

838
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:15,800
That's kind of a funny thing.
Like there was always like, you

839
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,720
know, you were Kobe person or
you're a LeBron person kind of

840
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:22,600
for a while.
But still, even though I was

841
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,320
always like Kobe was the top of
my mountain.

842
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,440
Like you see that kind of how do
you tear that down?

843
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,680
How do you, how would like what
kind of there's no like there's

844
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,160
no missing spot in that armor.
And so that's a great call out,

845
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,320
man.
Yeah, yeah, it's one of my

846
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,480
favorite.
Yeah.

847
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,440
So what is like, what is hooping
look like for you today?

848
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,600
You're still playing.
Right.

849
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Yeah, but still looks good.
I mean, I would just.

850
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:52,840
So I played six years abroad and
I played three years in America.

851
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,400
So last year, my 10th year was
my first year back abroad.

852
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,920
I played in Europe, but we won a
title actually.

853
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,360
So Speaking of champions, I won
a championship my first year

854
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,640
back abroad and and.
Where was that at?

855
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,720
It was in Poland, Poland, OK, in
Warsaw, it's like the fifth

856
00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,440
biggest city in all of Europe
actually.

857
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,880
So it was really nice, you know.
So this year I'm going to China

858
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,320
to play in December.
So I got bought myself a little

859
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,400
more time, you know, like I
said, sacrifice to spend time

860
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,000
with my son, my daughter, get to
do cool things like, you know,

861
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,520
see him off to homecoming this
year.

862
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,240
Are we excited for Halloween
this year?

863
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,560
I usually miss all of those
holidays because I have to

864
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,320
sacrifice for the season.
I have to go play in, you know,

865
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,120
leave my kids sometimes because,
you know, now my son's in high

866
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,640
school so he don't want to
travel with me.

867
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:45,200
He's travelled with me 4 out of
my first eight years and live

868
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,640
with me, you know, as a single
dad.

869
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,920
My daughter, she was young so we
just held her back in school

870
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,400
until she was 6 so she could,
you know, come with me for

871
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,200
months at a time, come with us.
But now she's in school.

872
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,560
So, you know, I don't want to
have them, you know, bounce

873
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,320
around different schools.
So even that aspect, they're

874
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,560
getting older.
So my career is looking

875
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,280
different as far as, you know,
them not wanting to go with me

876
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000
all the time.
But yeah, I get to spend some

877
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,000
time with them, get to have
Thanksgiving this year.

878
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,400
Which is probably kind of tough
to swallow at times, right when

879
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:18,960
they say I don't know if I want
to come down.

880
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,320
Yeah, last year was probably my
hardest year, I would say, back

881
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,200
abroad and when they was like,
Dad, I'm not going, they don't

882
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,360
want to go on that journey.
And you don't sacrifice for me,

883
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,680
you know.
But you know, they have friends

884
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,640
now and, you know, they love
being around family and, you

885
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,800
know, I'm like, all right, I'll
go make this couple months

886
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:41,280
sacrifice for us.
But but yeah, it it still looks

887
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,240
good.
I mean it now it's like, all

888
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,960
right, I want to play two to
five years more, but who knows?

889
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,960
I mean, you know, my son is
about to graduate next year.

890
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,560
So I mean, if he graduates and
I'm just ready to play, I could

891
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,840
maybe rock until my daughter
gets ready for college.

892
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,560
So I mean, I still got a lot
left.

893
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,760
It's just, you know, this year
is going to be a big tale of,

894
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,000
you know, if I go over and enjoy
and have a lot of success, you

895
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:14,880
know, I probably could play for
a long time, you know, 31, you

896
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,880
know, body is always feeling
good.

897
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,200
I'm always focused.
So yeah.

898
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,560
But I'm, I am interested in a
lot of other things and

899
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,920
interested in, you know,
prioritizing other things like

900
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,920
being a father.
That was always my number one

901
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,760
priority.
And, you know, being a good

902
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:36,160
family person, a good brother, a
good uncle, a friend, Yeah,

903
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,920
just, you know, just figuring
life out, you know, after

904
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,680
basketball.
Yeah, do your son or daughter

905
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:43,800
play?
They don't.

906
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,320
My son plays for fun, my
daughter, they play sports for

907
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,560
fun.
But you know, I tell people

908
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,120
because I'm not married yet.
So I'm like, when I get married,

909
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,680
my next son, I'm going to push
basketball on, especially with

910
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,680
NIL and stuff like, all right,
yeah, help me retire early.

911
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,600
But my son, you know, his name
was Kiefer Junior.

912
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,120
I didn't want to put that
pressure on him.

913
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,040
You know, they good kids.
They just, you know, my son is

914
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,120
actually going to graduate at 16
because he lived in China with

915
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,520
me and was homeschooled.
It was a little bit advanced.

916
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,640
He lived in Milan with me and
went to a great International

917
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,160
School and was a little bit
advanced.

918
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,960
So I came back to America and
put him up a grade.

919
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,600
He was already young for his
grade.

920
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,920
So he kind of basically moved up
of two grades.

921
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,240
So yeah, he's pretty much too
young to play, you know, at the

922
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:38,400
varsity level.
Little bit too skinny, but he's

923
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,080
getting tall.
But yeah, I didn't, I didn't put

924
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,360
sports on them.
I felt like I did enough sports

925
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,920
for us, for all of us.
And, you know, I, I want them

926
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,560
to, you know, do what they want
to do and do something else.

927
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,240
You know, they don't have to
play basketball, do sports that

928
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:55,560
I do.
So they love it.

929
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Cool.
But if not, I don't push it on

930
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,920
the on the youth at all.
Yeah, young first grade.

931
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,520
Like Pops, you were young for
your grade too.

932
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,720
Yeah.
So he's, yeah, a year even

933
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,040
younger than me, which is crazy.
Crazy, Yeah.

934
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,320
Yeah, it's, that was what my
wife noticed.

935
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,680
Like she was watching the
documentary kind of up and down

936
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,400
as she was reading.
She's a big reader too.

937
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,840
And she noticed like she saw
when when you transition to GB,

938
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,360
she's like, he looks like a
baby.

939
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,160
I was like, he's only 17 years
old.

940
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,880
He is a baby.
Yeah, I've taken that same path.

941
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,360
I've I never achieved any sports
accolades like you have, but

942
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,920
sports was always a central
piece of my life.

943
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,960
Like I was a three sport
athlete, something I really

944
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,400
cared about and what like when I
found out we were having a boy,

945
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,080
I remember like thinking about
that, I thought about that

946
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,560
scenario.
Like I had friends who like

947
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,080
whose parents did really like
push sports on them and my my

948
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,400
parents like they don't know
anything about sports.

949
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,120
They're not sports people.
It was just something I

950
00:48:57,120 --> 00:49:01,080
gravitated towards like
naturally, I guess.

951
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,000
And I thought that was a pretty
easy conclusion to come to that.

952
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,800
I'm just like nurturing.
My son's name is River.

953
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:12,160
I'm just nurturing whatever like
he gravitates towards and right

954
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,600
now, like I'll ask him to play
catch with the football or shoot

955
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,200
some hoops.
He's got the the classic little

956
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,080
tights hoop that everybody has.
And he'll do it for like 30

957
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,440
seconds.
But then he's like, let's go

958
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,520
play guitar, Dada.
I'm like, all right, buddy,

959
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,720
yeah, I was like, let's do it,
you know?

960
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,760
And I think, I don't know, I
don't want to say there's a

961
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,520
right or wrong way, but if there
is a right way, that's probably

962
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,160
it, man.
Let him mould their path.

963
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,800
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, most definitely, because

964
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:44,160
it helps my interest too, you
know, like my son, like, hey, I

965
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,680
want to do this.
OK, let's do this.

966
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,200
Because I'm always consumed with
basketball, you know, like

967
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,400
around it, watching it, love it,
you know, So I'm always around

968
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,440
the youth athletes or, you know,
so when he's like Dad, I like

969
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:00,440
creating stuff, music or clothes
or let's go do this.

970
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400
You know, like you said, we got
the the hoop in the house.

971
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,840
You know, he, he likes to play,
you know, play football, you

972
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,880
know, we throw the football
around, go to the beach.

973
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,400
You know, he he likes soccer,
watching soccer too.

974
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,920
You know, I make the fans
everything, but it's it's cool,

975
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,560
you know, to see their interest,
you know, and being able to

976
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,880
indulge in that, that helps me,
that helps my mind, that expands

977
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,200
my mindset too, in my mind
frame.

978
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,320
So in my interest, you know,
that expands my interest too,

979
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,000
Like I am interested in this.
So, you know, it's it's

980
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,040
actually, you know, we talked
about being fulfilling.

981
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,080
It's been fulfilling to know
that like they don't have to

982
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,720
play basketball.
I have to be stressed with, you

983
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,160
know, pushing basketball on them
and teaching them the game and

984
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,240
making sure they're performing
well or the pressures of that

985
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,680
navigating the pressures of, you
know, and being keep for Sykes

986
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:55,400
son or being as good as dad and
basketball, you know, so it's

987
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,200
it's actually fulfilling that
I'll have to do that.

988
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,720
Yeah.
It takes some of the pressure

989
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,600
off, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

990
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,600
When did that thing?
When did you realize that?

991
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:12,600
When did you actually was
probably here, if come to think

992
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:19,200
of it, But like, when there.
Well, here I'll frame it through

993
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,440
the lens of this because it was
another one of my favorite

994
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,520
scenes in the documentary where
there's a dude, it was in a gym.

995
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,240
You just got done playing.
I can't remember if it was

996
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:30,840
practice or what it was.
It wasn't like a formal game,

997
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,840
but there was a dude talking
with you and he's like, you

998
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,680
should go to the NBA.
And he was like telling you

999
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,320
this.
And at the time, like your

1000
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,680
response seemed like everybody
was telling you that at the

1001
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,280
time, like you didn't you
weren't like taking a back bite

1002
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:46,400
or anything.
You were just kind of like, I

1003
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,880
know, like when did, when did
you realize?

1004
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,120
Because you started the
documentary by saying you're

1005
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,760
just going to go as far as
basketball could take you.

1006
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,400
When did you realize that it was
going to take you pretty far is

1007
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,880
what I'm guess I'm getting at.
Yeah.

1008
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,480
And you know what, what was was
what's crazy about that?

1009
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,240
When people would say that to
me, I would.

1010
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:10,080
I didn't at the time, I I still
didn't believe it, you know, I,

1011
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,400
I didn't think, you know, I
still was kind of oblivious.

1012
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,920
I'm like, Oh, wow.
So I wasn't taking it back, you

1013
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:18,680
know, in the back of my mind,
you know, I'm like, oh, I do

1014
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,160
want to be in the NBA.
You know, it's a dream.

1015
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,320
But it's like, like I said, I'm
like, I know the realities of

1016
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,240
making the NBA, you know, going
that far.

1017
00:52:25,240 --> 00:52:27,320
I said that at 16, you know,
when the movie comes on.

1018
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,880
So I always was striving, but I
never like believed it.

1019
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,720
So, you know, kind of like
taking it with a grain of salt

1020
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:36,240
type of thing is how I felt.
You know, I'm like, oh, wow,

1021
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,160
they talking about this.
That's that's crazy.

1022
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,480
But the chance that it happened
is, you know, so I'm just like,

1023
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,720
you know, not focused on it, you
know?

1024
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:48,640
So that was my thing.
I would say, yeah.

1025
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,280
I think like my junior year
when, you know, and it's it's

1026
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,640
crazy because people ask my
favorite game.

1027
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,000
So I think that Wisconsin game.
And I finally, I'm having a

1028
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,160
moment of I'm realizing that,
yeah, I think that's the game

1029
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,880
where I realized like, Dang, you
know, I am, you know, really

1030
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,640
good.
Like all of these players, Frank

1031
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,720
Kaminsky, Andrew Hayes, who just
signed with the Sons and Sam

1032
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:15,480
Decker, Ben Brush, Trey Jackson,
dad playing NB.

1033
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,680
I'm like, wow, this you know,
this team is amazing.

1034
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,040
Like but I'm able to hold my own
and compete with these guys.

1035
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,800
Like and really felt felt like
it was natural, like it was it

1036
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,280
was coming to me, you know, so
it wasn't like I was forcing or

1037
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,960
like playing out of my mind or
like it's a one off.

1038
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,600
I'm like, man, I can handle
this, you know.

1039
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,040
So I would say that's probably
when I probably first realized

1040
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:42,440
like, you know, maybe I can't,
you know, go far with this game.

1041
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,600
But two things.
It's funny because I don't know

1042
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,160
when you was thinking, I was
thinking something else.

1043
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,760
We've go go back to my son.
So when I realized that he

1044
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000
didn't want to play basketball
was around that time too, like

1045
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,800
in college when I was here, you
know, when I was like, all

1046
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,560
right, I got a 5:00 AM practice,
6:00 AM And like, I'm single dad

1047
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,240
basically.
So I'm dragging him to the gym.

1048
00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,760
He's still asleep, throwing him
in the car.

1049
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,240
When I start to realize he's
like, I, I don't want to do

1050
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:11,600
that.
You know, I, maybe I pushed it

1051
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:15,440
on him too, too early.
Like at 4 years old, five years

1052
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,720
old was I left college and
turned pro as a rookie.

1053
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,960
Like I'm like, all right now
I'm, I'm back at home, I'm

1054
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,080
training, you know, same thing,
like, all right, 5:00 AM.

1055
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,320
We got to go to the gym. 6:00 AM
or we got to go back to the gym

1056
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,400
at 12.
We got to go back at 4.

1057
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,240
He's like, Dad, I'm not about to
keep doing this.

1058
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,760
I just want to be a kid.
That's when I realized he didn't

1059
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,080
want to play.
So I don't know.

1060
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,400
I just had that thought of.
I realized when I knew my son

1061
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,880
probably didn't want to play.
But.

1062
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:43,680
But yeah, I mean, yeah, I think
that's when I, you know, my

1063
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,680
junior years when I start to
realize, like, all right, if I

1064
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,320
take this serious, I could have
a chance.

1065
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,520
Yeah.
That's funny, man.

1066
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,280
That's the thing that I mean,
that thing a lot of people don't

1067
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,320
think about.
A lot of people aspire to do

1068
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,960
those things, but they don't
aspire to do the stuff you were

1069
00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,360
just talking about.
The people that truly get great

1070
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,080
at stuff are the ones that like
aspire to wake up at 5:00 in the

1071
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,480
morning to get better.
It's not like, it's not like

1072
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,760
wanting to be at the top of the
mountain is enough.

1073
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:15,920
Wanting to do the grind that
gets you to the top of the

1074
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,560
mountain is enough.
And that's such a like, it's

1075
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,040
great that your son came to that
conclusion because he's going to

1076
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,160
find something someday that he
wants to do the grind for, to

1077
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,120
get great at.
And that's why I think the

1078
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,160
other, the other way doesn't
work, man, because like external

1079
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,240
pressure doesn't make that
happen.

1080
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,040
External pressure doesn't make
somebody want to wake up at 5:00

1081
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:39,480
in the morning and go shoot 1000
jumpers or do plyometrics or

1082
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,600
whatever.
Love of something makes you want

1083
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,440
to do it.
So the earlier the better.

1084
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,080
I kind of lived in a jaded
thing.

1085
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Like my main goal was to play
college football.

1086
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,600
And I'm so glad now it didn't
happen for so many reasons.

1087
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,120
I'm so glad it didn't happen at
the time.

1088
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,800
You know, as you transition and
kind of start to come to the

1089
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,960
realization that like, I didn't
get the offers that I wanted, so

1090
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,600
I was going to go a different
direction at the time.

1091
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,880
It's like, is that a bummer?
You know, like, do I feel weird

1092
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,280
about it?
But now some of that serendipity

1093
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,760
of life, man, they in some ways
you're kind of you're pushed in

1094
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,240
the direction that you should
go.

1095
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,680
And I didn't have that love at
that time.

1096
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,880
I didn't love waking up at 5:00
in the morning to do all that

1097
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:25,880
stuff.
Yeah.

1098
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,920
It's like you said, that is that
internal drive.

1099
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,520
If you don't, you don't have
that.

1100
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,800
No, it could be tough because
you know, like not even just

1101
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,840
sports, you know, like all of
these things, it's about, you

1102
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,920
know, it could take a mental
toll on you to you know, it

1103
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,560
could take a toll on you if you
striving for something that

1104
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,080
doesn't happen or you like you
saying it doesn't work out.

1105
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,240
Those things are tough.
So you, you, you really want to

1106
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:58,840
go with the guys guides of life
where life is guiding you to or

1107
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,320
the universe is guiding you to.
I like to say, God, I don't know

1108
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,160
why, you know, people feel about
that all the time on the on the

1109
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,960
show, but just where where
you're you're guided to.

1110
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,120
So it's like, you know, because
I've seen situation where, you

1111
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,840
know, people have in a drive or
like make themselves out as in a

1112
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,200
drive or like you said, people
have external pressure from

1113
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:20,400
their parents and this and that.
And then it it doesn't work out

1114
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,520
or, you know, that's, you know,
has a takes a mental toll on

1115
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,480
them because, you know, they
were forcing it rather than

1116
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:31,400
being guided, you know, So it's
like, and that's what anything,

1117
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,840
you know, not even just sports,
like you said, you was guided to

1118
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,000
this.
But what if somebody like, Oh, I

1119
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,480
want to be a podcaster just to
get famous or for whatever

1120
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,320
reasons that they think they
were they're in it for

1121
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,040
superficially or, you know, or
the benefits they're trying to

1122
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,080
get out of it, but they don't
have the true inner drive, you

1123
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,320
know, and the true passion or
purpose, you know, what we

1124
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,320
talking about for it.
And, you know, it could take a,

1125
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:01,760
you know, beat them down
mentally and have them stuck or,

1126
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,880
you know, it's hard to have be
resilient from that.

1127
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,960
So, yeah, like I think, you
know, whatever happened for you

1128
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,280
is for you is what I believe.
So I always try to never force

1129
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,760
this flow.
Bruce Lee, one of my favorite

1130
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,200
man, like water, just flow, you
know, flow of life.

1131
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,920
Like that's something that keeps
me, you know, honestly focused

1132
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,040
because I'm like, all right, if
it's, if it's aligned with what

1133
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,560
I'm doing, then it's supposed to
work.

1134
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:32,520
If not, then it doesn't, you
know, So, you know, that's big,

1135
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,040
especially in these times
nowadays where, you know, it's

1136
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,080
so much to focus on that the we
feel like we could do.

1137
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:46,080
We're just finding those, you
know, just those signs, you

1138
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:47,880
know, like, all right, this
supposed to be for me, you know,

1139
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,560
I think that's what's best.
Yeah, isn't awesome when you

1140
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,880
find them too?
Yeah, like when they show up,

1141
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,560
it's, it just feels.
And this is getting pretty

1142
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,720
whimsical, but when they show
up, it feels right.

1143
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,640
And a lot of times we're good at
tricking ourselves into things

1144
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,560
that feel right, but maybe we
are forcing it a little bit.

1145
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,560
But when something truly shows
up that was like, seems guided,

1146
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,120
you know, it's, it's almost like
the world stops spinning in a

1147
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:21,200
way.
It's almost like you realize, I,

1148
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,480
I love the feeling.
It's weird to say I love the

1149
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,240
feeling of feeling powerless.
And sometimes when those things

1150
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,960
show up, you feel completely
powerless.

1151
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,480
And I don't know, that helps me
sleep at night because then it,

1152
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,440
it takes the pressure out of me
sometimes because it's like, OK,

1153
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,080
I'm going to wake up and I'm
going to put in effort.

1154
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,240
I'm going to, you know, address
whatever I do with passion.

1155
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,840
I'm going to try to do
everything the best of my

1156
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,720
ability.
But at the same time, it's OK to

1157
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,800
wait for something to show up in
the mailbox too, you know what I

1158
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,960
mean?
Yeah, yeah, most definitely.

1159
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Because like you said, those,
those moments and, you know,

1160
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:57,160
I've been feeling powerless and
in a sense feeling in power

1161
00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,800
because you like, this happened
without force, effort or this

1162
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:04,680
wasn't me, you know, this, this
wasn't me, you know, it was like

1163
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,000
what happened for me, you know
what I'm saying?

1164
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,480
What happened to me, you know?
So it was like, yeah, I do love

1165
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,560
those moments.
And like, say, in the same

1166
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:15,240
sense, you feel powerless.
But then when you same thing,

1167
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:17,800
like Dang, this is empowerment
like because you like you said,

1168
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,360
in those moments when you, you
know, breathe and be present,

1169
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,160
it's like it empowers you.
Like wow, like you say this is

1170
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,840
real, life is real.
You know, these things can't

1171
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000
happen for me and to me, you
know, definitely.

1172
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:32,040
Yeah, the universe has a strange
power, man.

1173
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,640
This is an awesome conversation.
I appreciate you coming out and

1174
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,640
taking some time, Keeper.
It was great to get to know you,

1175
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:38,680
man.
Yeah, I appreciate you too.

1176
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,080
It was definitely great.
You know, great questions, great

1177
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:50,160
concepts, great ideas that this
was one of my gets deeper, more

1178
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,000
intuitive, expensive
conversations that I've had.

1179
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,960
That's the best compliment
media.

1180
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,800
That's the best compliment I can
get.

1181
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,080
That's what I that's what I aim
for with everything I do.

1182
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,080
That's the I'm glad.
I'm glad you recognize and I

1183
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,520
appreciate you.
Like, oh, basketball in your

1184
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,760
career, this is this, you know,
we just chilling, talking and

1185
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,480
just, you know, learning each
other and learning perspective,

1186
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:13,840
which is which is which is
powerful.

1187
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,120
Yeah, that's what I tell a lot
of people when they come on.

1188
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,520
Like I get a bunch of people
that won't reach out and like

1189
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,040
it's always through a cool lens.
Like I want to come talk about

1190
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:25,760
my nonprofit.
I want to come talk about my

1191
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,480
business.
I want to come talk about this.

1192
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,440
Like, you can come out and talk,
but we'll spend maybe 5 minutes

1193
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,800
talking about what you actually
do.

1194
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:35,240
And we're going to spend the
rest of the time talking about

1195
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,760
being a human and life and why
you do what you do and all the

1196
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,000
drivers behind it.
Because that's to me, that's

1197
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:47,880
what matters, man.
To me, it's, it crosses all of

1198
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,200
these invisible boundaries that
people like to put between each

1199
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,480
other.
They don't exist.

1200
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,600
When you talk through that lens,
when you talk through what

1201
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,920
drives you, motivates you, makes
you passionate, makes you happy,

1202
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:04,160
makes you sad, all of that
stuff, doing yoga, all of it,

1203
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,720
dude, it's, it's awesome.
So I appreciate that compliment

1204
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,720
more than you know, that's.
Good.

1205
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,960
It makes all relatable because
we're all humans and like you

1206
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,120
say, it's all makeshift, like we
all could make wake up and

1207
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,640
realise all right, I want to
make my mind up or, you know,

1208
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,320
make myself be successful in
whatever way that is, you know,

1209
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:27,880
So it's it's encouraging.
This is encouraging for sure for

1210
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,560
hopefully more people too.
So.

1211
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,480
Yeah, Appreciate it.
Appreciate you key friend.

1212
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:31,760
Thanks.