Sept. 18, 2023
Kathy Larkin - Sports, Broadcast Career, Sexuality, and Mortality - Ep. #3
Kathy Larkin is a retired career advisor and longtime radio broadcaster who now devotes her time to her partner, Dog, and providing companionship to those in hospice care. Kathy and Brad discuss Aaron Rodgers and Wisconsin sports, life after retirement, volunteerism and supporting those in hospice care, navigating a career in broadcasting (and life) as a gay woman, and beating cancer after being told she was terminally ill, and bonus time.
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You're welcome.
So this is an old did you do
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this while you were on the air?
Well, pretty much.
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I usually ate because, you know,
on the morning show it was so
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early and I got up and had
coffee like or stopped at a gas
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station on the way and got
coffee.
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So at work, somebody always
brought in bakery, a listener,
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one of the other staff that came
in early.
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We always had crap in there.
Always.
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It was amazing.
I didn't weigh 300 pounds, quite
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frankly.
I mean, really, I'm.
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I'm lucky.
I have some good metabolism.
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I think, I think you probably
move a little too much for that.
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Well, that could be what do you
mean?
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So good to see you though.
Oh, good to see you too.
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Is you're so clean shaven, I
know.
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Are you staying that way
nowadays?
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I have been, yeah.
I don't know why.
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But yeah, I've been clean shaven
pretty regularly now for a few
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months.
Feels good.
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I like it.
I do too.
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On me.
I've been clean shaven too for a
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while, you know.
As you get older, you'll find
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you know Samantha will begin to
grow the hair.
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Not anytime soon, but you know
after menopause.
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And you'll start to lose even
more.
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Pretty soon your legs will be.
You won't have to shave them.
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They'll just be almost hairless.
So we switch places?
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Yeah, well, yeah, in some ways
the hairy, the hairy way men
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lose it and women grow it, and
not in places they want to.
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Yeah, the hand were dealt
actually was looking at beard
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oil one day at Target.
Just, I thought maybe instead of
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getting rid of it all, I should
just embrace work with it and
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embrace it, shine it up a
little.
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You always told me that.
You always told me that you were
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jealous of the ability to, like,
be able to grow a beard and cut
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a beard.
I've loved beards and mustaches
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since I was a little kid.
I don't know why my dad didn't
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have one when he tried to grow
one.
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He looked real, like, kind of
swarthy or, I don't know, He
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just didn't look good.
He looked like kind of scary cuz
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he had a dark complexion and for
some reason and kind of what
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they used to call a Ruddy
complexion, which yeah, kind of
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like reddish tones.
And really, his beard grew
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really fast, his whiskers so he
all.
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But when he grew a beard, he
sort of looked like a gorilla
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with a beard.
So he stayed away.
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Girls don't have beards, but he
for some reason looked like 1.
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I mean, but if a gorilla did
have a beard, yeah, if a gorilla
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had a beard, he'd look like my
dad.
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God bless him.
You know, just kidding around.
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Dad, I love you.
You know, I do Anyway.
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But yeah, it makes you look
really young.
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I've been told.
I think it makes me look
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thinner.
Yeah.
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I was actually gonna ask you if
you lost weight.
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Yeah, I've because I can see
your, you can see your
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cheekbones.
And you really have a nice nice
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fine features.
I thank you.
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I've never really noticed
before.
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Yeah, I I went.
I was telling Samantha I giggled
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about it.
There was probably no this was a
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month or two ago.
There was like a weak span where
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like 3 people asked me if I had
lost weight and it was probably
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the first time each of those
people had saw me since I had
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been clean shaven for a while.
So I guess it's just got to
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stick around.
Sorry.
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Take it.
Take it when you get them.
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That's awesome.
You brought a doughnut?
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Well.
Immediately before this doughnut
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I had ice cream.
So my other favorite.
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I'm just double sugaring it and
still people are asking if I'm
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looking at that.
So what's your favorite ice
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cream?
Right now we're on this kick of
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from Fresh Thyme.
Actually I know you like Fresh
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Thyme.
The brand is, I think it's
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called Hudsonville and it is
chocolate.
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Brownie cookie dough and the
trifecta.
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Yeah, it's Immaculate.
Yeah, it's really good.
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Chocolate brownie cookie dough.
And it's nice because the the
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brownies and the cookie dough
aren't too like chalky.
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You know, sometimes you get
those ice creams that they like.
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Yeah, yeah, Chalky.
Yes, this one is great.
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The chocolate ice cream is nice
and like, really wispy and kind
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of thin.
Oh, it's good.
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It's like 1 I'd like to stir up,
like stir it all up together,
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kind of make it a malt texture
and then sort of I like to do
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that.
Let it melt a little bit and
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it's spoonfuls of almost shake.
Yeah, salivating.
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I've actually kind of leaned a
little away from ice cream these
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days, just because sometimes
dairy just doesn't always set
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well with me.
So I've been into frozen yogurts
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that really now tastes like ice
cream.
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Not like the kind they first
came out with 20 years ago when
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you were in the cradle, but the
kind that you probably, you
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know, got spoon fed them a
little bit once in a while.
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And it's called, I think it's
got black cherries in it.
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It's black cherry something,
frozen yogurt and it's really
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good.
Although I always like the ones
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with chocolate and cookie dough
and caramel and and all that in
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them too.
There's really not an ice cream
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or an ice cream like thing.
I I still eat ice cream, but not
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on a regular basis.
Like we've been eating
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drumsticks at our house lately.
Yeah, the sugar cone, the ice
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cream.
And now they put caramel in the
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middle or fudge in the middle of
the ice cream and then really
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nice chocolate and then nuts on
the top.
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Yeah, now I'm really getting
hungry.
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So, like, Smart Cow, then.
Do you guys ever go to Smart
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Cow?
No, no.
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If I'm going to eat ice cream, I
eat ice cream.
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Because smart cows in yogurt,
right?
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Yeah, maybe it is.
But it's supposed to be less.
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I mean, it's supposed to be good
for you, I think.
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Probably.
Whatever.
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Yeah.
I just don't.
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I like it.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I just don't go because like,
they have a perfect like
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business model.
Like they have two, two
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different size.
I was confused.
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Yes, Now I know what you're
talking about.
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Smart cow.
Yes, I'm smart cow.
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I got you.
Got you.
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So smart cow, they've got two
the different size cups.
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And like I do too.
Isn't that weird?
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Yeah, something in common.
Nobody's symmetric, sorry.
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They and by the time you get
through just the ice cream wall,
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then you get your toppings and
you have like $11.00 worth of
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ice cream.
It's They get you every single
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time.
It's good though.
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Yeah, yeah.
What about Gelato?
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You ever do Gelato?
No, not really.
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Everybody says it's delicious
and yummy and I just every time
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I look at it and look at the
texture of it, I just kind of
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go, I don't know, yeah, I'm kind
of.
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I'm very sensory and that just
looks like it might feel funny
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in my mouth for some reason.
I'll try it one day, but I just
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haven't.
I've been satisfied with my
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frozen yogurt and ice cream, so
I haven't felt the need to try
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another branch of that whole
thing.
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But I will someday just for you.
All right.
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And then you'll think of me.
I will.
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Yes, I will.
You probably like I'm that's
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like a probably a prerequisite
to POST.
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Retirement, right?
It's like mid afternoon ice
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cream socials.
Like, isn't that a sort of, you
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know what?
No, actually, this is a thing.
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Mid afternoon coffee with like
pie or a cookie or donut.
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I don't often do, don't.
I don't have Donuts at home, but
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I do sometimes have pie or a
brownie.
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So it's about 2:33 because I eat
lunch.
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Sometimes about 11:30, you know,
by noon for sure because I eat
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breakfast at like 6:30 so I
can't it to make it to dinner
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time.
I got to have a mid afternoon
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snack and a little touch of this
to get me through so I can watch
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Netflix all night and Hulu and
prime, you know, till the wee
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hours.
I know we lie.
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We got to fly in the zone.
That's a new one too.
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It must have came in probably an
Iranian spy.
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They're in here.
We got a lot of hot takes in
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here that they're looking for
good 10 boy.
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Yeah, I know.
You're a big, you're a big show
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watcher.
What's been on your list?
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What was I watching last night?
Oh, we I have.
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We got two free or three free
days of is it Showtime?
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I think so.
I just started watching a show
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called Is it Shy?
Shy, Shy.
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It's CHI.
It's takes place in Chicago.
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Yeah it was.
It's it's really like this inner
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city streets of Chicago kind of
show, you know, with the
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language and the culture and
everything.
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So I got about 2 1/2 episodes in
and I'm kind of hooked.
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So.
And there's like five seasons.
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So it's like, oh, crap, this is
exactly what they want you to
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do.
Start watching something, get
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hooked, and then you got to buy
it at least for a month to
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finish off your, you know, the
series that you started.
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So I probably will.
Yeah.
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I was just, I was thinking, I'm
justifying it by saying, well,
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it's going to drop Hulu anyway
and pick up Netflix again so I
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could watch quarterback because
I dropped Netflix before the
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summer just for a switch, you
know, because there's stuff on
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Hulu I wanted to see.
And now I'm kind of running
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through Hulu a little bit and
nothing's jumping out at me
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anymore.
So I still go back to my old
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standby is like, you know,
Everybody Loves Raymond King.
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I still go back to those some
nights when I really need to get
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to sleep.
So I put those on because I've
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seen Everybody Loves Raymond.
I've seen every episode at least
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10 times at least.
I can, like most guys can recite
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the lines with them.
I don't know why, but I've
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always found guys can do that
better than women.
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And I don't know what it is
like.
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Guys can recite movie lines like
line for line.
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They'll say to you each other,
hey, hit it out of the ballpark
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and the other guy goes, yeah, in
the fourth zone.
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They both laugh.
And you're like, what?
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You know, Like, haven't you ever
seen Ghostbusters?
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You know?
And I'm like, yeah, but I don't
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know the lines.
But why is that?
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It must be a guy thing.
I never hear women do it.
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Not very often, especially not
very often.
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Especially cult comedy classics.
Yeah, they like.
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You will never go golfing with a
middle-aged group of dudes and
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not here, 19.
Caddyshack.
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Sure.
Oh, absolutely.
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You're out in the golf course.
Yeah, it just lends itself to
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it.
And I stand there and and some
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of the lines are funny without
seeing the movie.
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But I did see that movie.
But again, I don't remember it
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like that.
I remembered it was funny, you
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know.
But, you know, you've probably
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watched it more than how many
times, too, to be able to
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memorize the lines.
Like I said, I've seen all the
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Raymond episodes at least 10
times each, and that's how I've
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been able to memorize some of
the lines, but not.
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So I'm wondering, do guys all
watch movies that much, like,
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repeat them?
And I'm thinking, yeah, they
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actually watch replays of, like,
football games, so of course
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they do.
Well, actually, you know, I
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before I came here, I was
watching a little bit just
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because I was waiting for the
time to come, and I was kind of
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in between.
I watched a little bit of the
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Viking Seahawks game from last
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Yeah, yeah, just the very
beginning.
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And I thought, what am I doing?
Packers preseason game tonight.
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It's kind of a kind of a big
one, right?
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As big as preseason gets, how do
you how are you feeling about,
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you know we've had conversations
about sports before so many so.
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I have talked about sports for
hours and hours.
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This will be a big part of what
we talked about today.
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Yeah, How are you feeling about
the season going in?
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Like honestly feeling like,
what's your gut tell you?
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My gut says we're probably gonna
be just under 500, something
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like that.
I really, really want Jordan
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love to do well.
God, I hope he does.
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I'm with you there.
I just, I haven't seen anything
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yet to point that direction.
I hope and I guess somebody has,
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but not us.
Right, but.
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You know, there's a there's a
lot of egos in the NFL and I
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think we've learned that over
the past couple years more than
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yeah, there was a guy that was
here that seemed to have a
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pretty healthy one.
Can't think of his name right
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now.
Or yeah, and among many, among
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many, we'll.
Talk about that too, because we
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we have different thoughts on
Aaron.
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But I think that's a it's it'll
be interesting to see how that
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unfolds if it's the ego from the
front office.
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That said, this is our guy
because we picked him in the
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first round.
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Yeah, or if there's truly
something that we haven't seen.
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Because you never know.
I mean, you don't know what to
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take for full credit from the
media now anyway.
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Like you never know.
It came from a PR machines,
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right?
Because we don't have, you know,
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inside sources that are at
practice every day and reporting
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back to us, you know, except for
the people on the radio or
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whatever, the reporters that are
in there.
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But again, they only see so
much, right?
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And tonight we'll only see so
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Yeah, what do you think?
Three drives tonight, maybe.
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Maybe.
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You know, I've been listening a
lot to sports radio because
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that's kind of radio I like to
listen to.
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Besides your podcast, of course.
Absolutely, #1I, How was that?
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Did I say it right?
Did I say it how he told me to?
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Yeah.
That's what you told me to say,
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right?
Yeah.
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Something okay.
I knew you checked some.
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Notes.
That's right.
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They're under the table.
What was I gonna say?
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I forgot, oh, they said that,
you know, you know, they've
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asked coaches, why do you, why
do you want these joint
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practices?
Because Lefleur was the first
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coach to bring that into Green
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They've never done that before,
ever.
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And and then the preseason games
and what they explained, and it
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kind of made sense to me was is
that the joint practices, the
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veterans actually get a lot of
reps.
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They're actually, you know,
getting 20 to 30 reps during a
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joint practice when they go
against each other.
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But in a preseason game, most of
the veterans aren't getting a
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lot of reps because those games
are to see who's going to make
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the team, you know, I mean, they
know who's going to be on the
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team.
So those guys, they don't want
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to get hurt, but they have to
practice anyway.
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And in the joint practices, they
get to let it get a little bit
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lathered up and, you know, let a
little bit of that out finally.
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So I thought that kind of made
sense.
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You know, you know what you got
in the veterans, but you just,
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you got to see these guys under
the big lights.
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You know, some guys are good
practice players and they don't
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do so well in a game, you know,
I mean, just like players who
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are great players and whatever
sport they're in, but they
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don't.
It doesn't translate to
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coaching.
Not quite the same, but kind of
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like that great practice player,
but just doesn't have the juice
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to, or maybe even the mental
juice to put it together in a in
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a game.
Yeah, there's different levels,
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people.
Or a great regular season player
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that just can't make the jump
into a great postseason player.
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Yeah, I can think of one.
I think it was the same one we
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were talking about earlier.
Oh, that is.
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You know, I think probably right
now you and I are closer on
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Aaron Rodgers and we've probably
ever been.
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That's tough.
That's tough.
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But it's certainly he.
He had performances in the
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postseason that he could win,
but there there are certainly
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times when it he didn't play up
to, you know, his obvious
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ability.
I've come around a little bit on
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him.
Yeah, I have.
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I think just because, you know,
taking stock of my own life and
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stepping back and leaving the
working world and making a big
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change, I think I can kind of
see what was happening there
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with him.
You know, like he probably
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should have been gone sooner
rather than later.
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And there wouldn't have been all
the bitterness on both sides
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because you know, everybody, no
matter how good they are or
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whatever, I mean look at even if
we have terms on the presidency,
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you know, I mean things come to
fruition and they just, you
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know, at some point they they
plateau and then they go like
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that.
I mean, I think it was just I
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respect him more as a person.
I wished he would have handled
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some things a little
differently, but I think the
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Packers also could have handled,
definitely handled things
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differently.
So I think it's a more of a 5050
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thing there and the best thing
that happened could have.
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It's funny you say that because
I'm sure we're at it or the
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closest we've ever been because
I've I've come a little bit of
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the to the other way.
OK because of exactly what you
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just said.
You know, I, I mean, Aaron
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Rodgers was the the top of the
mountain for me.
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I know, I know.
And.
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You I completely agree with you
that I always I I always had the
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argument that Aaron Rodgers was
a very effective leader and and
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I kind of I'll overlook some
things that weren't effective
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leadership from his perspective.
But I believe they happened
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because of what you're saying.
I I think there was.
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That divorce should have
happened earlier.
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There was too much animosity
there that there was a.
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There was too much underlying
emotion for either side to do
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what was right.
And the reason it worked out for
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Aaron is because he's such a
stick it in your face guy that
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they said, oh okay, you're going
to draft my replacement.
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I'm going to do every single
thing I can to make you look
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like an idiot MVP twice.
But that's not leading A-Team,
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you know?
So I can you can you can
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understand more what happened
when you take a step back from
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it.
I'm super happy for him.
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Did you Hard Knocks, do you have
HBO at all?
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No, I don't.
Now I'm like, I've never wanted
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to watch that.
And then I don't want to be that
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person that watches it.
Just because as I read and some
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Facebook posts, it should be
called Hard Knocks with Aaron
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Rodgers first.
You know, like because it was
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like it was all about Aaron
Rodgers.
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They said forget the Hard Knocks
part.
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Let's just call it Aaron Rodgers
Hard Knocks.
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It was.
It was Aaron Rodgers physical
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footage.
And then it was other players
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talking about how cool it was to
play with Aaron Rodgers.
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Which really.
Well, how do you get away from?
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He's a legend, right?
He's a legend.
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I mean, that's face it.
I mean, that's how it's going to
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be.
If it was Tom Brady, Yeah, Which
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it probably was at one time.
Didn't they do his?
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I mean, don't most of the teams
have done it now right or not?
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I'm sure they never didn't.
Really.
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No, probably not.
Belichick probably wouldn't.
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He probably wouldn't have
allowed that first or something.
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Yeah, yeah.
It would be a distraction and he
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doesn't allow that.
Yeah, and think about even that
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relationship, that relationship
came.
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To a a head where I'm sure there
were more they're just better at
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keeping stuff internal.
But I'm there was some rocky
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times between Brady and
Belichick you know there were so
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it was time to go.
I wish for both parties involved
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it would have happened a little
bit earlier because to to have
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the last couple years we did
with was kind of frustrating,
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you know like they didn't give
him the tools and and I firmly
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believe like like look at he
went there he he's already taken
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a pay cut.
And all the things we wanted him
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to do here.
And he went to mini camp like he
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went to.
Yeah, that was kind of a that
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hurt a little bit.
But again, that's a, you know,
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that's the biggest FU that you
can have.
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Can I say that?
That's the big OK good.
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That's the biggest FU that you
can have towards the Packers
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right there.
Like see if you would have just
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given me these things.
And although we did give him
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things, let's not forget that we
did give him a lot about what he
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wanted.
They did make concessions, but
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they kind of had to as well.
I mean, that's what happens when
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you're working with a guy who's
a legend and a Hall of Famer.
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What are you going to do?
Ignore everything he asked for?
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You can't.
You can't.
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You have to give in.
I mean, they all have done that,
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no matter who they are, you
know, But, but yeah, I'm.
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I'm like, I think he's going to
have a good year.
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Do I think he's going to make it
to the Super Bowl?
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I really don't.
There's just, there's just too
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many talented quarterbacks.
But again, maybe somebody gets
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hurt.
Maybe.
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Maybe Pat Mahomes gets hurt.
Maybe I can't even think of all
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their names out.
Maybe somebody else gets.
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Him Josh Allen?
Yeah, Josh Allen is the other
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one, right?
There's a lot of good
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quarterbacks in there.
Already strained his calf that I
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look too bad.
But yeah, it's gonna be another
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fascinating year.
I just, I'm just excited to have
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kind of get back to just being a
football team.
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Yeah, having the Green Bay
Packers now and not always.
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It's just Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers and I
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think Aaron Rodgers for giving
us a Super Bowl.
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That's great.
It was awesome because I can
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still Lord it over all those
Viking fans, especially my
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family, you know, every time
they get smart ago.
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And how many Super Bowls have
you been?
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How many Super Bowls have you
seen your team win?
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I've seen my team win two of
them, yeah, in my lifetime.
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Yeah, Dan and I were talking
earlier about how, like when the
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Lions win, it's kind of like
that's good.
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Never.
Good for you Lions.
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But when the Vikings win?
Good.
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No.
And now this year, it's going to
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be both.
Because I mean, sounds like
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Detroit could be, sounds like
our division, really anything
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could happen.
Anybody could win it.
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Be interesting to see what
Fields does.
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His development.
Lions are explosive on offense.
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It's going to be fun here.
Yeah, I think so, too.
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Fun.
Yeah, what about?
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I know you're a big Brewer
watcher.
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Are you you watching this year?
Yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been
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kind of frustrating, you know,
because they too are right on
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the edge of something.
And again, the Brewers never
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really go for it as far as
stolen out the money and tried
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to get the players they need.
They needed bats.
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So they went and got two of
them.
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Like kind of like getting like
people that bat like 220, you
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know, It's like what?
I mean, we needed a first
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baseman, so they had to get get
one.
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I think Santana is the one they
picked up.
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But I don't know.
I mean, we're going to have all
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our pitchers back now and
that'll help.
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But still, I mean, you can win
with pitching, but you still
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have to have some, some batters,
some people that can hit, hit in
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the run, some with Rbi's.
We just don't have enough of
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that happening.
We get on base, we just don't
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get into home plate.
It's so hard, then what to
450
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:12,370
translate pitching success into
the postseason because, like,
451
00:22:12,410 --> 00:22:16,450
inevitably there's those couple
games that your starters go for
452
00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:18,890
innings and then you got to go
to the bullpen early.
453
00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,110
And then you're behind the 8
ball, and that's happened a few
454
00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:24,630
times like that.
Yeah, getting all creative with
455
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:27,830
the bullpen and, you know,
wearing them out.
456
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:30,390
And then, you know, one week
you're starting pitchers are
457
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:33,350
awesome and the bullpen sucks
and they lose the game.
458
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:36,270
The next week the starting
pitchers are awesome.
459
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:39,350
Then we can't score, you know,
and the bullpen is good.
460
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:40,790
But then we can't.
We can't.
461
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:44,550
Every time the Brewers score
less than four runs, they lose
462
00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:49,080
almost every single time.
It's just a thing this year.
463
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,320
But I still.
I love watching the games for
464
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,880
the most part.
It's kind of like Packer games
465
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,120
when they get, when they
frustrate me, I get up and walk
466
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,160
away from baseball.
Because come on, it's like every
467
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,320
day.
You can't sit there and watch
468
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,400
all games every day.
Otherwise you're weird.
469
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,600
Yes.
Or then I'm like, then I might
470
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,320
as well just put it on my cap
and gain 200 pounds and sit in
471
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,680
my chair.
And take book at home.
472
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,160
Yep, Yep.
And take book at home.
473
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Was that was that an error or
what would you call that?
474
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,880
A base hit or an error?
Yeah.
475
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,030
I'm on.
I'm currently on a It's not the
476
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:24,030
Brewers fault so I won't call it
a Brewer boycott, but I've only
477
00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:27,110
watched 1 Brewer game.
What's going on with?
478
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:28,390
You the whole Bally sports
thing.
479
00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:30,710
Oh, I know.
It drives me insane.
480
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:32,430
Yeah, I know.
Absolutely insane.
481
00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:35,830
I know I have to switch my
streamers every year so I can
482
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:39,270
watch the game on Bally Sports.
And now Bally Sports is, you
483
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:42,030
know, you know, I have to say I
never thought he would, but I
484
00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:45,310
like it when the games are on
YouTube TV.
485
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,490
I mean, I'm sorry, Apple, Apple
TV.
486
00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:50,330
They have every.
I think they've had like 3
487
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:52,850
Brewers games now on Apple TV.
Yeah.
488
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:57,130
And their camera work and
they're just the just the way it
489
00:23:57,130 --> 00:23:59,290
looks.
So it's better to play for.
490
00:23:59,290 --> 00:24:01,090
I think they are.
Yeah, I think so.
491
00:24:01,090 --> 00:24:05,130
Yeah.
They have some decent announcing
492
00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:07,570
staff there.
You know, I mean, from last year
493
00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:09,170
when they did it to this year,
I've noticed it.
494
00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:10,970
It's better.
And actually as soon as you turn
495
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:13,330
on the game, you're like, oh
wow, look at that.
496
00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:16,280
It just looks crisper.
The camera shots are much
497
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,400
better, they're on top of their,
you know, the replays and stuff
498
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
quicker.
So I don't know, maybe that's
499
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520
where it's going to end up.
And they have all the resources
500
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,800
that throw at it too.
Yeah, that's fascinating, cuz
501
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,040
what's I think it's like 13 MLB
teams that were with Bally,
502
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:33,560
right?
Right.
503
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120
And now already ones.
How many are off the list?
504
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,560
One for sure.
Where did they lose the
505
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
contract?
Somewhere they did.
506
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,880
I can't think of what team it
was, but they don't have them on
507
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800
anymore.
Yeah, I have no idea.
508
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,120
All I know the Brewers wish they
could get out of their contract.
509
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,600
You know that it's it's been
such a shit show like.
510
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:55,510
The The price is way too high.
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
511
00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:58,190
Way too high.
And then right when it started,
512
00:24:58,190 --> 00:25:00,550
I thought about doing it.
None of their tech worked.
513
00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:05,030
Like I couldn't get the like I
literally the the The week after
514
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:07,550
it went live, I tried to
download the ballet sports app
515
00:25:07,550 --> 00:25:11,270
and and set it up on my TV.
The app wouldn't work.
516
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:13,630
Like I couldn't watch the game.
So I was like, I'm gonna give
517
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:16,870
you $20 and every month and
it's, yeah, not gonna and not
518
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:19,190
count on seeing the game, yeah.
Right, so.
519
00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,290
I I just took a moral stand.
Good for you.
520
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:22,650
Yeah.
Good for.
521
00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:25,650
You.
Well, I'm hoping that Bally's
522
00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,850
out.
Quite honestly, I just, I'd love
523
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:30,050
someone else to take over.
I mean, they're people.
524
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:32,570
I think whoever does take over,
I think the Bally, a lot of the
525
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:34,530
Bally people will get hired
because they're not going to
526
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:36,370
come.
Even if it was Apple TV, they're
527
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:39,250
not going to come into every
market and bring and hire all
528
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:41,130
new people to do all this stuff
anyway.
529
00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:43,730
It's just that they'll have
probably better equipment,
530
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:46,490
better resources and use some of
the same people.
531
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:50,350
More defined leadership, yeah.
Yeah, hopefully an IT team that
532
00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:52,790
can make their stuff work.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
533
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:55,350
Exactly.
Have there been like, are the
534
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:57,150
tech issues figured out?
Like, is it pretty reliable?
535
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:58,990
Well, I don't watch it on the
app.
536
00:25:59,150 --> 00:26:04,190
We actually switch to DIRECTV so
we can watch.
537
00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:05,950
Yeah, we stop.
Yeah.
538
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:07,990
Don't come hang a dishes
everything you are in.
539
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:12,670
We stop our YouTube, and then we
picked up YouTube a few years
540
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:16,460
ago just for the Brewers, and
then we ended up really liking
541
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:17,620
it.
You know, of course, now
542
00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:20,100
everybody's prices are going up,
but we stop YouTube.
543
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,820
We pick up DIRECTV for six
months during the baseball
544
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:24,700
season.
Then we stop that.
545
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:27,620
Go back to YouTube.
And now YouTube has Sunday
546
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,300
Ticket.
They've got Sunday Ticket too.
547
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:32,780
If you, if you.
I don't know more sports, I
548
00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:34,820
don't know if I don't know if I
need that.
549
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:38,220
Not sure how that'll go over at
home is.
550
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:41,300
Chris, as big of a sports fan as
you are, she is actually.
551
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,820
Yeah.
Maybe not quite as quite as
552
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:47,740
fanatical as I am about it, but
she loves sports as much as I
553
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:48,340
do.
Yeah.
554
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:51,860
Yeah, We'll be glued tonight.
We'll be watching the game at
555
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,540
six, and then it's 710 because
it'll probably be by then, the
556
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,460
after halftime, third quarter.
Who cares who's playing this
557
00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,300
channel?
We'll go to the.
558
00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:02,060
Yep, we'll go to the baseball
game and start watching that.
559
00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:06,380
So yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a.
560
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:08,930
That's awesome to be able to
then.
561
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:10,970
I mean, that keeps the
conversations in the household
562
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:12,410
going too.
Like, we always have something
563
00:27:12,410 --> 00:27:13,450
to talk about.
Yeah, yeah.
564
00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:15,330
You know, when?
Explain about yellow.
565
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:18,850
Yeah, Yep, Yes, exactly.
Dang it.
566
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:21,650
God, what the hell is wrong with
these guys?
567
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:24,050
Yeah, yeah, we hear lots of
there's lots of shouting from
568
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:26,050
our sun porch during Brewers
games lately.
569
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,220
So what?
What else says what?
570
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:33,300
What else Is retirement
encompassed for you since you
571
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:34,420
stopped?
Because it's what it's good
572
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,260
coming up on it?
No, it's over a year now, over a
573
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:37,980
year.
June 1st was a year.
574
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:40,700
Yeah, I can't believe it.
Probably it just a it flew by.
575
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,700
It's it really bit.
It sucked.
576
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,060
You know, I just do what I want
when I want, how I want.
577
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,060
It's really, really overrated.
Not, You know, it's funny
578
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,100
because when I run into people
that haven't seen for a while,
579
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,260
they always say, well, how do
you like retirement?
580
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,340
Like really serious, Like, well,
kind of like, well, how do you
581
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:03,780
like retirement?
And I'll go, it's freaking
582
00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:05,500
awesome.
It's like the best thing that's
583
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:06,820
ever happened to me.
What do you mean how?
584
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:09,660
What's not to like?
I don't get And they say we know
585
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:11,900
some people don't like it and
I'm like, well, then something's
586
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,820
wrong with them.
You know, they got bigger
587
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:15,100
problems.
And then what?
588
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,900
Retirement brought.
They had a problem before
589
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,620
retirement.
If they don't like retirement,
590
00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:20,460
they need to figure that out,
you know.
591
00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:23,460
That's why I knew it was going
to be successful for you.
592
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:27,180
We had some conversations before
you retired and your frame of
593
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:30,180
mind about it going into it was
just in such a place of, like,
594
00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:32,300
positivity and love.
Like you were waiting.
595
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:33,500
Yeah.
Oh, I was.
596
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:35,820
I kind of knew it was time.
When you'll know too.
597
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:38,740
And down the way, down the line,
when it's time, you just know
598
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:40,460
when it's time.
I mean, you've made career
599
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:42,540
changes and you knew it was
time.
600
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:46,220
And sometimes, you know, like we
kind of talked about with Aaron
601
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:49,410
Rodgers, sometimes you were
ready, but it just doesn't
602
00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:51,770
happen on our time.
You got to kind of wait for
603
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:54,570
certain things to fall into
place, but you're ready.
604
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:57,650
When they do, you're like, yes,
here we go, boom, just like
605
00:28:57,650 --> 00:28:58,890
that.
Yeah, but.
606
00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:01,210
I always found it.
And then, like, when people
607
00:29:01,210 --> 00:29:02,530
would ask you like, what are you
gonna do?
608
00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:04,490
And you're gonna pretty much
your answer was, what does it
609
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:06,690
matter?
Yeah, I'm gonna do whatever I
610
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:07,810
want.
It's gonna be great.
611
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:09,050
Yeah.
Everyone wants to know if you
612
00:29:09,050 --> 00:29:11,370
have like this big major plan
for your retirement, you're
613
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,090
gonna travel, you're gonna do
this, you're gonna do that.
614
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:16,530
And I'm like, I don't know, I
got to be retired for a while
615
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600
first, you know, just let me
feel it and get into it for a
616
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,480
while.
And that's what I did.
617
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,720
I took about five months and
then I got a couple volunteer
618
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,960
gigs that I do.
I one of them is I'm a companion
619
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600
sitter for unity Hospice, which
I really, really dig and I get a
620
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
lot out of.
It's really, really.
621
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560
That's such your style too.
I guarantee you're so good at
622
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,960
it.
Well, I hope I am.
623
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Thank you.
But I really do enjoy it.
624
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,310
I it's like a privilege and
honor to be a part of the end of
625
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:47,710
someone's life on Earth, you
know?
626
00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:51,870
I mean it's like I sit there and
I'm like, wow, I'm I'm involved
627
00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:53,110
in this.
I didn't know this person
628
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:56,590
before, but now I'm a part of
their end of life and trying to
629
00:29:56,910 --> 00:30:00,350
I keep that always in mind to
try to make sure it's as my part
630
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:03,470
of it is as good as it can be or
whatever they need from me.
631
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:08,150
I try to give to them, you know.
And then I was, up until about a
632
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:12,670
week ago, working as a volunteer
ombudsman for the Board on Aging
633
00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:15,270
and Longterm Care, which means
ombudsman.
634
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:19,670
I'd go into nursing homes,
longterm care units, you know,
635
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:23,830
facilities all over here in
Brown County and visit with the
636
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:25,790
residents.
And just to make sure, take
637
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,270
notes, make sure you know, like,
does it look clean?
638
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:30,990
Does it smell where it shouldn't
smell?
639
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,710
Holding people accountable,
Yeah.
640
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:36,510
And then I don't.
And that's the best part was I'm
641
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:38,470
a volunteer.
I never had to do anything about
642
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,830
it.
I just reported to someone and
643
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:44,270
then that was it.
Well, both those things together
644
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:47,270
started to get to be a little
too much because I was spending
645
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:50,830
a lot of time because some of my
Hospice people are also in
646
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:53,990
longterm care.
So it got to be kind of tough
647
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:57,590
and I decided I wanted to give
one of them up and I decided the
648
00:30:57,590 --> 00:31:01,510
Hospice one meant a little more
to me than the other because
649
00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:04,950
Hospice I've wanted to do since
my my parents both died of
650
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,190
cancer and both used Hospice.
So it was something I always
651
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:09,750
wanted to do because it was so
helpful to our family.
652
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,190
But now what I just did, which
I'm very excited about, is I
653
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:19,990
just signed up with the Life
Lifelong Learners Institute
654
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:25,070
through UW Green Bay and I you
can take for $150.00 if you're
655
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:26,790
55 or over.
I think it is.
656
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:31,570
You can take up to 10 or 15
classes.
657
00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:35,530
Yeah, over semester.
So I signed up for 10.
658
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:38,770
Now not all of them are classes
that meet over and over.
659
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:43,090
Some of them are like a one off
tour or like hikes and county
660
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:45,650
parks stuff like that.
But I did take one class.
661
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:48,690
You'll be surprised by this.
Brad called current affairs.
662
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:51,530
Yeah, who would have thought?
Who would have thought I'd do
663
00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,450
that?
We're going to be robust.
664
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:57,970
Discussion in the class and it
said something like that robust.
665
00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:02,410
What was the word?
Respectful of each other
666
00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:06,170
Discussions, which will be hard
for me, but I'm up for it.
667
00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:07,610
No, not really.
Not really.
668
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:10,090
You're really respectful.
You can be forceful and
669
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:11,610
respectful at the same time.
That's true.
670
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:12,650
You're right.
You're right.
671
00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:17,050
So that starts in September.
All the different things I'm
672
00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:20,500
gonna take tours of like Civil
Hop, school, curative.
673
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:22,740
I used to work at Civil Hop, but
it's so different now.
674
00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:27,100
I mean, it's been added on to
and I'm taking hikes through
675
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,260
county parks on three different
occasions.
676
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:34,460
I'm going to go to like Maribel
Caves one day with people.
677
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,100
I mean, there's all these things
you can choose from.
678
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:39,060
It's really cool.
And then in spring semester you
679
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:42,460
can choose from classes again.
So yeah, I didn't really know
680
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,380
that much about it until I
started talking to other
681
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:47,860
retirees and they talked about
it and like, what is that?
682
00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:51,930
And they told me and I was like,
I wanna do that, Absolutely.
683
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:55,970
So I'm gonna do Hospice for my
heart and my soul, and I'm gonna
684
00:32:55,970 --> 00:33:00,730
do lifelong learning for my
brain and the rest of it.
685
00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:04,530
So I can still go out and be
somewhere and still be able to
686
00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:07,000
carry on conversations with
people.
687
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Yeah, as opposed?
Well, you melt into the people
688
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600
because your brain is a little
mushy after a while, yeah.
689
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Well, and that's two pretty
heavy things too, right?
690
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,360
But that you know, that's such a
natural progression because that
691
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,800
probably scratches some of the
itch that some of your career
692
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,360
passions lived in like you were.
You were a career helper in
693
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,680
several different ways.
So like being able to do that of
694
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,480
your own volition and time and
energy.
695
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:38,250
Making your decisions such A and
that's it, that's you hit it.
696
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,330
That's it.
It's like on your time and in
697
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:42,890
your way, you know with Hospice,
it's such a great volunteer job,
698
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:46,570
not only because it's enriching
and fulfilling, but I can do it
699
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:49,290
on my time.
I mean the people that I see, I
700
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:53,690
have two of them right now.
I can, I have to, you know, I
701
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:55,290
don't have to.
I mean, but that's the
702
00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:57,650
requirement to see each of them
once a week.
703
00:33:57,930 --> 00:34:00,770
But it doesn't have to be at a
certain time or a certain day.
704
00:34:01,410 --> 00:34:04,970
I go when I can go, you know, so
I don't have to.
705
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:08,530
I don't have any set routine
where I have to be here every
706
00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:11,929
Monday at 2:00 because that's
one thing I wanted to avoid at
707
00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:14,210
all costs.
Now, I did sign up for a class
708
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:17,370
where I have to be there for two
hours every other Tuesday, But
709
00:34:17,370 --> 00:34:21,530
now after a year, over a year
being retired, I'm not going to
710
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:24,409
mind that so much, right?
Yeah.
711
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:25,770
Yeah, you got me on the
calendar.
712
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,130
I felt pretty important.
You.
713
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:28,330
Yeah.
You've been on there for a
714
00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:29,489
while.
And big letters too.
715
00:34:29,489 --> 00:34:30,690
I should have took a picture of
it.
716
00:34:31,179 --> 00:34:33,420
I what's in my phone of course,
but I have it on.
717
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:35,860
We have one in our kitchen still
that hangs on the wall so that
718
00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:37,780
we both can see each other's
stuff.
719
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,540
And it's actually takes up the
whole day because I wrote it so
720
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:43,460
big.
So if Chris had anything going
721
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:44,620
on, she couldn't fit it in
there.
722
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:50,260
Because I wrote podcast at
Brad's home 130 and really Big
723
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:53,860
Letters takes up the whole
square and put a star little
724
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:55,600
star by it.
I love it.
725
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,200
We do the same.
I think everybody has the fridge
726
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200
calendar right now.
Yeah.
727
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,520
I don't know.
I grew up with it.
728
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,360
It's just something about it.
I don't know.
729
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,120
It's comforting, I guess.
Yeah.
730
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:10,200
In the volunteer Hospice thing,
I have to assume like a
731
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,600
different range of outcomes
comes from that, right?
732
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,000
Like what if the how have the
interactions differed?
733
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,550
Have you had anybody that like?
Was completely aloof and didn't
734
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:22,830
want you there or the complete
opposite, and ended up like
735
00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:25,750
kindred spirits.
Probably a little of both, Yeah.
736
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:31,230
I had a woman who who was just
on the other side of becoming
737
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:34,590
nonverbal, who when I first she
was in a longterm care unit, and
738
00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:38,550
I can't say too many details
about the people, but she didn't
739
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:43,750
really want me to be there.
So you know what?
740
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:46,470
The first two times I came, I
did most of the talking and just
741
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,760
tried to keep it low key.
And sooner or later she we, she
742
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:56,840
started warming up to me and we
we got to be really pretty
743
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,880
close.
And because her family she had a
744
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
couple kids but or or so and I
like that's probably I shouldn't
745
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,600
even say that they couldn't be
there as much as maybe she would
746
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,680
have liked because they were
working, you know.
747
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,410
But she became nonverbal.
But we were able then to
748
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:20,570
communicate just with our eyes
and I could kind of know like
749
00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:24,130
what she was thinking.
So I'd say, do you want me to do
750
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:26,130
this?
Would you like me to do that?
751
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:28,810
Is this what you want?
Would you like me to, you know
752
00:36:28,810 --> 00:36:31,090
tickle your neck.
Would you like me to rub your
753
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:33,210
arm.
Would you like me to comb your
754
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,250
hair?
You know stuff like that.
755
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:41,050
So that was really cool.
And I've also had a couple
756
00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:44,970
people that, you know, had
pretty severe dementia.
757
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:47,770
And those are the really
challenging ones.
758
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:52,810
But I really enjoy it because in
any given moment you can be you,
759
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:56,570
you can be somebody different to
them because some of them will
760
00:36:56,570 --> 00:37:00,690
go from they, you know, 95 years
old thinking they're waiting for
761
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,210
their mom and dad to pick them
up from wherever they think they
762
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:08,230
are to talking about their
daughter, that they know they
763
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:10,350
have a daughter.
So it goes.
764
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:13,150
And then sometimes, like, not
knowing who I am, but they
765
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:15,550
recognize my face because I've
come so long.
766
00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:18,710
Now the one guy I have this,
we're going into seven months.
767
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,830
So and I just, you know, this
one's going to that.
768
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:23,470
That one's going to get me a
little bit.
769
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:25,230
I know that.
That's the hardest part of this
770
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:28,470
is you do my next question, you
do get my very first person I
771
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:30,830
only saw once and then that was
it.
772
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:34,970
But after that, I've had some
longer term.
773
00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:37,450
The people I'm seeing now, I've
seen one for six months and the
774
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:40,050
other for seven.
So those two are going to be a
775
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:42,810
little tougher on me.
You know, that's the tough part
776
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:44,130
of it.
I mean, there's only one outcome
777
00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:45,810
here.
We we're all going to have the
778
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:47,130
same one, right?
Yeah.
779
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:52,130
Nobody gets out alive.
But I don't know.
780
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:55,530
I just, you know, if there's if
there's ever something, if
781
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:58,530
anybody's listening that have
has ever thought about it and
782
00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:01,130
you don't have to be retired to
do it, it could be something.
783
00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:04,180
There's all kinds of things that
Hospice needs help with, but it
784
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:06,700
could be a thing where maybe you
do it for someone who only wants
785
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,900
someone to visit on a weekend or
at night.
786
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:11,900
I mean, you have a young child
and all that.
787
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,540
Not you, but other people that
maybe are looking for a little
788
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:17,860
something that they could do
that would make them feel good
789
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:21,180
and would be really super
helpful to people going through
790
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:23,500
it.
Because everybody that has a,
791
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:25,740
you know, now cancer is affected
almost.
792
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:27,980
And it's not just cancer, it's
all kinds of illnesses.
793
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:34,900
I mean, congestive heart
failure, cancer, Lou Gehrig's
794
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,580
disease, all of these
Parkinson's, all of this stuff,
795
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,140
all.
I mean, I've had a little bit of
796
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:46,020
all of these.
It's you just need a break.
797
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:48,740
The family needs a break.
Once in a while you have to get
798
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:52,180
away from it.
So you just, it's just a really
799
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:55,180
great thing you can do, even if
it's just for an hour that you
800
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,940
give this person a break to
either go shopping or just go
801
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:01,920
get a cup of coffee, go with a
friend, go in the room and take
802
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
a nap, go down in the basement
and cry.
803
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,840
Whatever they need to do and
can't do, you know, because
804
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,600
they're grieving and trying to
take care of this person at the
805
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,280
same time.
But.
806
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,560
And by that scenario comes by
the time that comes the the hope
807
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,640
is gone usually.
Yeah, I mean some people
808
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,320
actually, they just came out
with the study.
809
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Some people actually live longer
once they get in Hospice.
810
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:31,550
You know, usually Hospice is,
doctor says you can go into
811
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:34,390
Hospice.
When they say a doctor says and
812
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:38,150
signs a sheet of paper that says
you chances are it's going to be
813
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:42,470
six months or less.
You know that you are, the
814
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:45,310
morbidity is it's coming, you
know you're going to die.
815
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:52,030
There's no options, right?
But some people have gone up to
816
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:56,750
a year in Hospice, you know,
especially some people have gone
817
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:59,870
into Hospice and then gone back
to palliative care because they
818
00:39:59,870 --> 00:40:02,910
got better, like a little better
where they're like, well, I
819
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:04,950
don't, you know, I think we need
to put them back into a
820
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:07,550
different program now where
they're just getting, you know,
821
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:09,710
care, but they don't need to be
in Hospice right now.
822
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:14,270
So it's it's real interesting
and I think especially people
823
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:17,190
that are lonely and don't have a
lot of family, once they get
824
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:20,830
that attention and all the care
that they get from Hospice, they
825
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,740
do start to improve.
It's amazing.
826
00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:31,180
The mind is a wild thing, wild
thing, just how we respond to
827
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:34,780
not only different scenarios
that we find ourselves in, but
828
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:40,740
like the different kind of
actions and involvements that
829
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:45,740
come with those and how we like
respond to those things
830
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:48,670
differently, even like.
You know, you read some of the
831
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:52,230
studies about the like the work
that they're doing between
832
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:54,910
psilocybin and dementia and the
differences.
833
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:59,830
That can be made and stuff it's
it's it's too bad that some of
834
00:40:59,830 --> 00:41:03,070
that stuff hasn't been able to
be explored for a little while
835
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:07,150
just because of that reason.
Like how our brain reacts to
836
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:11,350
things that aren't whatever you
want to call them that aren't
837
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:15,570
physical or aren't like.
Doctoral.
838
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:16,490
Right.
Right.
839
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:19,570
That aren't part of our wiring.
I mean that we that you can see
840
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:22,290
that are part of it but not the
stuff you can see.
841
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:25,370
You know the amygdala and the
this and the that in your brain
842
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:29,210
the ponds, the and all the parts
I learned in biology one time I
843
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:30,650
can't remember.
I don't even know if those, if
844
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:32,050
those are part of that.
There might be something else
845
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:33,850
I'm talking about.
Maybe that's parts of the
846
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:35,210
kidney, I don't know.
But the only.
847
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:38,610
Thing I know is from is from the
water boy.
848
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:41,250
The medulla oblonga.
There you go.
849
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:42,450
Oblongata.
That's it.
850
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:43,450
Yep.
Yep.
851
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:45,420
That's a pretty important part,
actually.
852
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:49,060
Yeah.
It's it's, you know, amazing.
853
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:52,020
I mean, it's just, you know, I
sit there and this person is
854
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:58,460
going from, you know, 50 years
ago to current to 30 years ago
855
00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:02,140
to even more years ago.
You know, talking about World
856
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:06,740
War 2, talking about this,
talking about that and then also
857
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:10,800
kind of being a little bit in
today, you know, it's just like
858
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,160
wow.
But you know, I have to tell you
859
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,240
the one thing that I hear over
and over and over from all those
860
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,280
patients so far has been I, I
want to go home.
861
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Every one of them says I want to
go home.
862
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,920
You know, and I, you know, I
always say you will, you will go
863
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,360
home.
You're going to go home, I
864
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,120
promise you.
Because they are, you know,
865
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,880
they're going to go to a
different home, not the one they
866
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,360
lived in, but they are going to
go home or somewhere.
867
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:39,470
You know they're not going to be
there in that situation forever.
868
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:41,230
They're gonna see what's on the
other side of the line.
869
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:45,190
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's probably not
870
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:47,030
surprising, right?
It's like it's a I think it's
871
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:50,270
everybody's ultimate sanctuary
when it eventually comes our
872
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:53,550
time knocking on the door.
You hope that it's in a place
873
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:54,950
that you're comfortable and
that's home.
874
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:56,030
Yep.
Generally.
875
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:58,870
So that's probably par for the
course.
876
00:42:58,990 --> 00:43:01,750
Yeah, that's heavy stuff.
And you can do that for what?
877
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,070
Six months?
No, don't be.
878
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:04,910
Sorry.
Actually about nine months now.
879
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,440
I've been doing it nine months.
Yep, Yep.
880
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,560
It's just, you know, like I had
a training and you go through a
881
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,720
training and all that because
they give you a chance to kind
882
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,120
of find out, do you really think
this is going to be something
883
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,400
that you're going to be
comfortable with?
884
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,920
So they, you know, you go
through a lot of stuff and
885
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,640
training and they tell you a lot
of things because it's not for
886
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,600
everybody, you know?
I mean, you can't sit there and
887
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,360
burst into tears when you're
sitting with someone or you
888
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,040
know, and it's it.
It takes a lot of patience,
889
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,210
especially when you're with the
people you know, like when you
890
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:38,690
ask them questions and all they
say is, I don't know, you know,
891
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:40,210
because they don't.
I don't know.
892
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:41,650
What did you do last week?
I don't know.
893
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:43,730
You know, what'd you do this
morning?
894
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:46,290
Did you eat breakfast?
I don't know because they really
895
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,610
don't, you know.
So you have to really be able to
896
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:53,490
carry on sometimes onesided
conversations, you know, but
897
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:55,090
still connecting with the
person.
898
00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:57,890
So I've been learning a lot.
I'm not saying I was really good
899
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,130
at it to start.
I mean, I've learned a lot and
900
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:03,730
I'm still learning, you know,
still learning.
901
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:07,710
It's such a it's it's a thing
that I think we're all wired for
902
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:11,590
but not repeatedly right is it's
like a place we dig to probably,
903
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:15,110
but they probably reveled in, in
your background for somebody
904
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:17,270
that would want to do that just
because of the things you've
905
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:18,870
done, you had kind of a step
forward.
906
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:21,510
I think it did help me, really
when they looked at my
907
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:26,150
application and I got hooked up
through to both of those through
908
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:33,360
a volunteer Expo that they had
at the rash last October in the
909
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,040
new in the new rush, whatever
it's called Expo whatever rush.
910
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Everything's a rush something,
you know.
911
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,320
Yeah.
Did did the Russian sponsor
912
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,520
this.
It's all right here.
913
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,920
It's in the big building by
Lambo.
914
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
No, we're actually gonna bleep
that out until they pay the
915
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,120
sponsorship fee.
Oh, OK.
916
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,880
Sorry.
No, I'll pay.
917
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,760
I'll sponsor this piece of wood
right here.
918
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,320
Sweet.
You can write your name on it
919
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,640
that Kathy.
How cool of an idea would that
920
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,480
be to have everybody that comes
in writes their?
921
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Name everybody that comes in
right on the wall.
922
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,400
Wow, I've been here.
I'm here during a revelation.
923
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,520
That is, I might have to
explain.
924
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Look at the Big Brain on you
today.
925
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
No, you came over.
Notice I said today, Today.
926
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,290
Today on the fire.
Kidding.
927
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:19,530
You know I love you.
Yeah, you too.
928
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:21,090
It's so good to see you.
You too.
929
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:23,490
But you just look so fresh
faced.
930
00:45:23,490 --> 00:45:24,690
I like it though.
It's OK.
931
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:28,090
But you know I like the beard.
So are you gonna grow it for
932
00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:29,010
hunting or not?
I.
933
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:29,930
Don't know.
We'll see.
934
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:32,930
I never did it specifically for
hunting, that's true.
935
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:34,890
You never did.
You always had beards like off
936
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:36,870
and on.
Like one day you'd come in and
937
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:38,870
be there, the next day I'd be
finally.
938
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:40,430
At the end of the day, I'd look
at you and think, what is
939
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:41,190
different?
My God?
940
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:42,910
He shaved his.
Beard off, You wanna know what
941
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:44,990
one of the main deciding factors
is?
942
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:47,430
Is humidity, surprisingly or
not?
943
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:51,190
Because when you shave when it's
humid, you get razor burn a lot
944
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:55,070
easier.
So it's kind of like a cliche
945
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:58,110
thing that people grow beards in
the winter and then shave in the
946
00:45:58,110 --> 00:46:00,040
summer.
If you noticed, I was always
947
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
kind of opposite you were.
I would be clean shaven in the
948
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,240
winter and shaving or not
shaving in the summer.
949
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,680
Yeah, cuz I don't love shaving
in the summer cuz it's always
950
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,080
humid here like we live in.
I don't either.
951
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,760
Look at these.
Legs, look at those things.
952
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,160
I mean, we live in the humid
capital of the world and it's
953
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,280
like today is.
I mean, the dew point today is
954
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,700
like 68, even though it's only
what, 70 some degrees out.
955
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,260
It's cool, but it's still very
thick and sticky out there.
956
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:32,260
Yeah, I am not a fan of humidity
at all. 00 fan, Yeah, Although
957
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,220
I've lived in it all my life.
What's that about it?
958
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,740
Yeah, I hate it.
But I've lived here my entire
959
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:42,700
lifetime, you know, I had plenty
of chances to move away, but it
960
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,780
really means I really do love
it.
961
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:46,750
I love the changing season.
You moved.
962
00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:55,510
Some when you were young, right?
My first one was in Blue Earth,
963
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:59,310
MN, my hometown at a little am
station.
964
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:50,990
Like you kind of moved around
the like, where were your first
965
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:52,070
radio gigs?
They were.
966
00:46:52,070 --> 00:47:01,070
They weren't here, right?
BEW Blue Earth.
967
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:05,830
That's I remember that that
that's such an interesting like
968
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:09,030
like motto or like call sign.
What do you call that?
969
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:10,710
The station?
The Earth so rich the city
970
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:12,630
grows?
Is that what they said?
971
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:13,270
Yeah.
Nice.
972
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:14,070
Yeah.
Yeah.
973
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:17,990
It's not true, though, is it?
Still, the population has gone
974
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:19,990
down quite a bit since Walmart
left town.
975
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:22,750
Ooh, Is it still near?
Yes, it is.
976
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:25,830
AM 1560, I believe.
Okay.
977
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:26,990
Yeah.
I can't believe I just
978
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:27,830
remembered that.
Wow.
979
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:29,670
I think that's it.
So that was your first one.
980
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:31,710
That was my first gig.
That's where I learned radio.
981
00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:34,190
Actually.
I never went to radio school.
982
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:38,280
I got a job there as a
receptionist after I dropped out
983
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,600
of college.
Another whole story for another
984
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:47,840
podcast and and I did.
I worked as a receptionist.
985
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Pretty soon they had an opening
on Sunday afternoons on the big
986
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,280
band show.
Asked me if I'd want to try it.
987
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040
I said sure, I'll give it a try.
Did that started.
988
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,200
They let me start talking on the
air a little bit, lots of
989
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,920
mentoring along the way.
And then at some point our
990
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:09,100
afternoon drive guy left and to
go be a stuntman and they asked
991
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:10,980
if I was interested and I said
sure.
992
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:13,100
And so that's sort of.
And then also during all that
993
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:18,660
time I also had to write news, I
had to give news, I had to sell
994
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,780
radio ads, I had to do a little
bit of everything because you
995
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:26,700
know it's a tiny 3000, you know,
3200 people town, county seat.
996
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:28,660
So that's where the radio
station was.
997
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:32,820
You know, I mean I had to read
markets, you know, pork bellies,
998
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:36,020
up 24 live cattle, feeder
cattle, all of that stuff.
999
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:38,530
I did all of it, a little bit of
everything.
1000
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:40,370
So I really and I did that for 2
1/2 years.
1001
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:42,530
So I really think of that as
that was my school.
1002
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:44,930
And then from there I went to
St.
1003
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:48,330
James, MN and had my own morning
show at a brand new radio
1004
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:52,010
station that they started there.
And from there I went to Mason
1005
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:54,410
City, IA he.
Started at a brand new stick.
1006
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:57,490
That would be a yeah, it was.
Well, the guy was a nut case
1007
00:48:57,490 --> 00:49:00,570
that owned it, so it was really
effed up along the way.
1008
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:04,290
I mean, it was a cluster, it
really was.
1009
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:07,590
But you know, I got paid.
So and then the guy who owned
1010
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:10,510
the station that I started out
of my home hometown, Paul
1011
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:13,910
Hedberg, who was a big name in
radio in Minnesota, owned
1012
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:16,910
stations in Iowa.
And he called me up one day and
1013
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:20,150
said, hey, I just bought some
station in Mason City, IA.
1014
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:23,510
Would you be interested?
And I so badly wanted to get out
1015
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:29,710
of Saint James because of other
things that I jumped at it.
1016
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:35,230
So I went out to Mason City, IA
and worked there 2 1/2 years and
1017
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:38,810
and then ended up.
It's another story.
1018
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:41,810
I won't, I don't even want to go
into that right now, but I ended
1019
00:49:41,810 --> 00:49:45,810
up in Green Bay from there.
OK, let me just say this.
1020
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:50,930
I met someone at a circus that
was going through town, and that
1021
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:56,690
someone was from this area and
ended up bringing a tape of mine
1022
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:59,290
to people at Midwest
Broadcasting.
1023
00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:03,890
And they called and said, you
know, I came here.
1024
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:06,770
So I never visited Green Bay.
I just took the job without ever
1025
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:09,970
coming here.
And then I came to Green Bay in
1026
00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:13,810
1986 and that was the end of it.
Yeah, I thought for sure I was
1027
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:16,370
just going to be a stop along
the way because my my goal at
1028
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:19,610
that time in radio of course,
was to work in a major market
1029
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:23,360
because that's what most people
want to want to do and.
1030
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,840
Green Bay is a great stepping.
It is, I mean for everybody, for
1031
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,920
TV, you see it all the time.
All these TV reporters, the good
1032
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,080
ones are gone within 345, six
months.
1033
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,240
You know, I had a couple
opportunities like in Milwaukee
1034
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,800
and Chicago, but most of them
for like were for like traffic
1035
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
reporting, you know, and I was
like, no, I don't want it.
1036
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,080
I don't want to do that and but
I ended up calling Green Bay
1037
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,720
home and I've been here ever
since.
1038
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,360
Yeah, by the time you came here,
your air checks had to be
1039
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
phenomenal.
Like I yeah, I, you know, I
1040
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,440
listened back to him now.
And I, if I even have one, I
1041
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
have in the past, listened to
old cassettes and I just cringed
1042
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,360
when I listened to it.
But it's too.
1043
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Far ago, yeah.
Yeah, I kind.
1044
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Of got the time they were
probably killer.
1045
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Well, for the time, probably
because there weren't a lot of
1046
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,280
women in radio at that time.
There just weren't a lot of
1047
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,200
them.
And any women that were in radio
1048
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
usually got out as soon as they
started having kids and that
1049
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,920
kind of thing.
So yeah.
1050
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,760
Yeah, it definitely is a good
old boys club at that time,
1051
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,120
right?
Absolutely.
1052
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Absolutely.
It was, yeah.
1053
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,400
I had to play the game, yeah,
the whole way, the whole way.
1054
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Even when I was after I was
here.
1055
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,720
I did a little bit too.
Yeah, quite a bit.
1056
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,360
So how did that, how did that
work along the way?
1057
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Like when were you out that
whole time?
1058
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Did everyone know you were gay
at that time?
1059
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:47,120
And like, well, not in Saint.
You know, actually in in Blue
1060
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Earth, my hometown, they did
not.
1061
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,800
There was only certain people
that did.
1062
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120
I mean, I was not out.
I wasn't even accepting of
1063
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,880
myself at that time.
I was still jumping back and
1064
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,240
forth.
Yeah, a little bit.
1065
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,160
And then once I got to Green Bay
in Saint James, I had a
1066
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,000
girlfriend and a lot of and most
people knew about it.
1067
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
It was a small town, too.
And it did.
1068
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,360
I think, you know, it didn't go
over well with a lot of people
1069
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,420
there.
And then once I came to Green
1070
00:52:13,420 --> 00:52:17,220
Bay, I really started to that's
when I actually came out to my
1071
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:23,140
parents and and everything.
So but on the air, everyone at
1072
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:27,140
the station knew, you know, who
I worked with for the most part.
1073
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:29,860
After a while it took a while.
You know, I had to go through
1074
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:34,100
the whole getting asked out and
you know, having to get out of
1075
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:38,910
it every time and going out to
events with listeners and, you
1076
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:40,390
know, saying, oh, I'm going to
go to the bathroom and then
1077
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:46,870
never come back.
Why does Kathy never come back
1078
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:49,430
when she says she's going to the
bathroom and they and the guys
1079
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:53,670
would just go, oh dude.
Or they'd say Kathy went to the
1080
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:56,110
bathroom like 10 minutes ago and
they'd say, dude, she's not
1081
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:57,910
coming back.
Not for you.
1082
00:52:57,910 --> 00:53:01,790
Not coming back for you.
So you know, it was hard, I have
1083
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:05,550
to say because I did not like
and it wasn't like I was
1084
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:09,570
pretending anything, but I
didn't like not being totally
1085
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:13,810
who I was on the air.
And that's part of the reason I,
1086
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:16,890
it was a little, probably more
of a bigger part of the reason I
1087
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:20,010
got off radio than anything was
I just didn't want to keep
1088
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,650
pretend, not pretending.
I don't even know what to say.
1089
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:30,130
Just, you know, like lying by
omission kind of, yeah.
1090
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:33,210
You know, and and there is
actually a lot of people in the
1091
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:36,730
in the L GB, TQ community who
weren't very happy with me.
1092
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:41,980
I'd get if I was out at a gay
bar, especially in my 30s,
1093
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:44,620
people would get after me once
in a while and just say, well,
1094
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:46,900
we don't listen because, you
know, you don't ever say
1095
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,540
anything about your girlfriend
or your your lifestyle and blah,
1096
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:54,020
blah, blah.
And I'd be like, hey, this is my
1097
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:56,100
living.
I'm the one I I'm trying to make
1098
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,060
a living.
I have to do what I have to do,
1099
00:53:58,580 --> 00:54:01,460
you know, to make a living.
And, you know, if you were in my
1100
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:04,140
shoes, do you know, Are you sure
you wouldn't do the same thing,
1101
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:06,870
which would always make them
think a little bit, but most of
1102
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:09,230
them were people that were so
out that they probably were out
1103
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:12,070
when they got were born, you
know, So at that time.
1104
00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:14,670
But it was hard.
I wish if I could go back and do
1105
00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:18,550
it over, I wished I would have
done it differently and I guess
1106
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:21,230
just say consequences be damned,
you know.
1107
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:25,190
If I couldn't work in radio
because of that, then I would
1108
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:27,550
have found something else to do.
That's so easy to say, though,
1109
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:28,870
when you get to a place of
comfort.
1110
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:31,430
Well, right, I can see it now.
I mean, because I wasn't.
1111
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,530
I mean, it took me a long time
to accept my own gayness, you
1112
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:38,850
know, to be okay with it because
like, I've always told people
1113
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:42,690
who wants to, you know,
especially then, but now it's
1114
00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:46,450
probably even more so.
Not just the gays, but people
1115
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:49,730
that are trans that are going
through all of, like we did 30
1116
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:54,250
years ago or 20 years ago where
why would you wake up one day
1117
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:58,410
and go, hey, I think I'll be a
social pariah and have to hide
1118
00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:01,490
most of my life and not talk
about things like other people
1119
00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:04,170
do because they might not like
me and maybe even maybe
1120
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:08,130
physically wanting to hurt me
or, you know, leave me out of
1121
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:09,690
things.
Yeah, that sounds like a great
1122
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:12,330
way to spend my lifetime.
You know, like I always tell
1123
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:17,090
people it is not a choice.
Yes, nowadays people can make
1124
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:18,650
those kind of choices and do
they?
1125
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:21,570
There's fluidity, there's all
this stuff, you know?
1126
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:25,130
But then you didn't just say, I
think, you know what?
1127
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:29,090
You didn't piss me off.
I'm going to be gay for maybe a
1128
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:31,730
couple months.
I mean, yeah, anybody can do
1129
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:36,570
that, but it's not how it works.
You know, I think I knew I was
1130
00:55:36,570 --> 00:55:39,370
gay when I was a little kid.
I just didn't know what it was.
1131
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:42,130
I didn't know what to call it.
Actually, as a teenager, I
1132
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:46,210
thought I was maybe nutty crazy
because of my feelings, because
1133
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:50,210
nobody talked about that stuff
in a small town in the mid 70s,
1134
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:52,770
early 70s.
And anytime you heard something
1135
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:57,990
about gay people was always very
derogatory, you know, like all
1136
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:59,870
those dikes, you know, blah,
blah, blah.
1137
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:02,230
And and then I'd see those
people and I think, well, I
1138
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:05,870
don't look like them.
I don't dress like them, so I
1139
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:07,870
must not be like them.
So what's wrong with me?
1140
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:13,630
You know, so it was, it was, it
was not a great fun time for the
1141
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:18,710
1st 10 to 15 years when I was
coming into it, you know, not
1142
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:19,990
that I didn't have fun because I
did.
1143
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:22,990
I had a lot of fun.
But mentally it was a struggle.
1144
00:56:23,110 --> 00:56:27,480
You know, I think it's, I think
it's a lot behind.
1145
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,360
I really think it's a lot.
Not because, well, I've had
1146
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,160
Melanoma twice, Stage 4 this the
last time.
1147
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,800
And I think my cancer, not only
because I was, you know, a
1148
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,080
redhead and had a predispition
towards it, but also because of
1149
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,440
the stress that I had in my
life.
1150
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,080
Because when you're gay or
anything different, black,
1151
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,640
brown, all of it, you know.
When you're ever not the
1152
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,360
societal norm, you walk around
with a level of stress.
1153
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,720
Every single day.
Every single day you have a
1154
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,400
level of stress.
Especially when in areas of
1155
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,320
perceived or potential
discomfort where right.
1156
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,960
You like add that all of that
that you just said on top of
1157
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,750
being like.
Ending up in a career where
1158
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:14,550
you're a public figure because
you're good at it?
1159
00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:17,030
Absolutely.
So that's an added amount.
1160
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:21,310
And then on top of being a
public figure, you're in a place
1161
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:23,270
that's been ruled by the good
old boys club.
1162
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:25,710
Yep.
Like, talk about a trifecta of
1163
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:27,310
just tough things.
Yeah.
1164
00:57:27,310 --> 00:57:28,990
And you know how I did it?
No.
1165
00:57:29,310 --> 00:57:32,510
I drank a lot.
Yeah, I drank a lot.
1166
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:37,910
You know, too much, really, at
times.
1167
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:39,270
And.
But it was really what got me
1168
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:43,280
through.
And I don't advise that as a way
1169
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,000
to deal with things.
Absolutely not.
1170
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,400
But but yeah, it was.
It wasn't real fun.
1171
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Yeah, Because that's exactly
what it was.
1172
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,440
Because I loved my job and I
didn't.
1173
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,040
I was so afraid of being who I
was on the air because
1174
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,760
especially in southern
Minnesota, Northern Iowa, I
1175
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,520
mean, and then, you know, Brown
County, Green Bay, WI, we we
1176
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,320
know what it's like.
I mean, it's not as conservative
1177
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,790
as it once was, but it's still
pretty conservative, you know, I
1178
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:14,630
mean, just look at elections and
stuff.
1179
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:17,470
You see, it's still there.
It's still, there's a pretty
1180
00:58:17,470 --> 00:58:21,110
strong conservativism.
Conservativism.
1181
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:25,310
Wow, I can't even say it that,
you know, is there.
1182
00:58:25,550 --> 00:58:27,150
So yeah, you get a little
nervous now.
1183
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Now I'm at such a point of
comfort in my life.
1184
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Like I am who I am, who I am,
you know, and it wants my
1185
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,800
spinach.
But I, you know, I don't care
1186
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,920
what anybody thinks about me, my
anything.
1187
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,800
I mean, there's a, you know,
once I think you turn 50, you
1188
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,120
start getting that where you're
like, you know who you are, you
1189
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,920
know what you like, You know
what you don't like.
1190
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,000
You know that time now is
becoming less than more.
1191
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
So you go, you know what?
This is me.
1192
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,280
You know, like the TV show, This
Is Us.
1193
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,080
This is me.
You don't have to like me.
1194
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,040
You don't.
Because you know what?
1195
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,240
I don't have to like you either.
And we don't have to spend time
1196
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
together, you know, I mean,
yeah, when you're at work, you
1197
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,760
have to spend time with certain
people, but you just come.
1198
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,560
I came to this natural point of
comfort as I got older and I
1199
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,600
think more selfconfident to, you
know, it comes with if you have
1200
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,320
any selfesteem issues at all.
That carries over into so many
1201
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,290
things.
You know, I wasn't very good at
1202
00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:29,050
relationships for a really long
time and that a lot of it was
1203
00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:33,250
really my own was me.
Well, finding your person
1204
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:36,370
changes that perspective a lot
because it makes that comfort
1205
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:37,970
come out.
And now, I mean, you and Chris
1206
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:42,290
have over 20 years together.
Yeah, 20 will be 24, yeah, 24
1207
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:43,650
years.
Can't even believe it.
1208
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:46,050
Yeah, time flies, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean, I met her when I
1209
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:48,690
was 15, obviously.
So I mean, you know.
1210
00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:53,690
Well that's, I was going to say
that earlier when you said you
1211
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:59,290
had to be, what did you say the
the over 55 was the thing for
1212
00:59:59,290 --> 01:00:02,210
the UWGB thing I was going to
say, well they must have made an
1213
01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:03,970
exception.
You should have.
1214
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:05,650
I would have come over there and
kissed you.
1215
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:11,490
But yeah, finding it, finding
your person like that changes
1216
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:13,930
everything.
Dynamic too, because yeah.
1217
01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:19,890
It's so much easier to just not
throw caution to the wind or
1218
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:25,100
that, but like just.
Be comfortable with who you are
1219
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,420
and because you have someone you
know is gonna love you no matter
1220
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:31,900
what, absolutely you know who
knows all of you and it still
1221
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:32,980
wants to be with you.
They.
1222
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:35,700
Already know your batshit crazy
and they're just stick around.
1223
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:37,060
So it's awesome.
Yeah, it is.
1224
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:38,980
Because it's a it's a huge
comfort thing.
1225
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:41,460
Yeah, it is.
Because, I mean, I didn't meet
1226
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:43,860
the love of my life till I was
39 years old.
1227
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,980
I tried real hard to go before
that.
1228
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:48,420
Every relationship.
I thought this is it, this is
1229
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:52,580
the one you know, which was the
problem, you know, because I
1230
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:54,860
grew up in again.
I'm a small town girl.
1231
01:00:55,220 --> 01:01:00,500
All I ever wanted was to meet
someone get married or not, but
1232
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,260
have a life together with
someone and just live the white
1233
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:05,380
picket fence.
That's what I all I ever wanted.
1234
01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:08,340
You know I'm no different than
anybody else really that way.
1235
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:11,740
I just, you know, I remember as
a little girl when I play with
1236
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:14,730
other kids in that and we'd talk
about getting married someday
1237
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:16,010
and all that.
And I'd always say, yeah, I'm
1238
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:18,450
going to get married and I'm
going to have three kids and I'm
1239
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:20,930
going to be a school teacher and
all this and that.
1240
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:23,610
And then they'd always say they
other girls would go, yeah, my
1241
01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:25,490
husband's going to have blonde
hair and he's going to look
1242
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:30,250
like, you know, Ken or whoever.
Johnny W, you know, for those of
1243
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:33,210
you who don't know, that was a
cowboy toy from really long ago.
1244
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:35,290
Look it up.
It's really cool, really stiff.
1245
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:40,090
But I would always say, they
say, well, what's your husband
1246
01:01:40,090 --> 01:01:41,810
going to look like?
And I'd go, I don't know,
1247
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:46,310
because I could never pictured
that part of my thing, ever.
1248
01:01:46,310 --> 01:01:49,070
Even as a teenager as I pictured
my life.
1249
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:55,470
I never saw the husband, you
know, which I, you know.
1250
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:57,790
I know why.
But at the time it was like, I
1251
01:01:57,790 --> 01:01:59,790
didn't.
It just wasn't there, you know,
1252
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:00,190
ever.
Like.
1253
01:02:00,190 --> 01:02:02,950
You said as a part of where it
wasn't dialogue that you had
1254
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:05,270
heard or it wasn't things that
you were aware of.
1255
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:07,270
It's just kind of the unknown.
Yeah.
1256
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:09,710
Yeah.
I mean it to me it was like,
1257
01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:11,470
yeah, it's genetic.
It was born in there.
1258
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:13,670
And you know what?
Seems like every family.
1259
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:15,710
Who says, oh, we don't have any
gay people in our family.
1260
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:20,470
I would like, oh, I beg to
differ, I pretty sure you do.
1261
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:23,710
You just don't know it for some
reason.
1262
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:28,190
Probably because they're not
comfortable telling you or feel,
1263
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:31,390
you know, like they can't.
I tell it to people all the
1264
01:02:31,390 --> 01:02:34,030
time.
You know, I didn't have too many
1265
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:37,190
people I was comfortable
telling, not even my parents for
1266
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:39,950
a while, but they actually were
wonderful.
1267
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:41,830
My whole family was super
supportive.
1268
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,680
They just said you're our
daughter, we love you.
1269
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,760
My brother and sister said
you're our sister, we love you.
1270
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,480
Nothing's changed, you know?
And it was true, cuz nothing did
1271
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,600
change.
Yeah, just who I brought home.
1272
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Yeah, you know, that's all.
And it's great you said that
1273
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,840
it's usually, they're usually
your family get togethers are
1274
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,760
usually pretty rambunctious.
Yeah, it's probably.
1275
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,200
It's a good thing it was Chris,
cuz she could like, take it all
1276
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,120
in.
Yeah, she and they all fell in
1277
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,640
love with her because of that,
you know, She was just so even
1278
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,160
Keel didn't get riled up about
anything they'd say or do, just
1279
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,240
kind of, you know, Yeah, she, I
don't know how she does it.
1280
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,960
My family is all kind of like
me.
1281
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,880
We get together and we all talk
at the same time, but we all
1282
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,120
answer each other too, because
we for some reason can hear what
1283
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,640
each other is saying.
And all the all the partners of
1284
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,960
each one of us all like sit
together and just shake their
1285
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,990
heads, like, how did we end up
with these people?
1286
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:43,470
Yeah.
So Green Bay was then obviously
1287
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:46,950
the end of your radio journey.
What that 20?
1288
01:03:47,230 --> 01:03:50,430
Let's see, 20 years total.
But I think in Green Bay 86 to
1289
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:55,950
2000 is 16 years, No 14.
Sure, here.
1290
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:57,630
So that's, like, the longest
run.
1291
01:03:58,110 --> 01:03:59,950
Yeah.
Yep, Yep.
1292
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Of anything I ever did.
Well, not now, because now I've
1293
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,240
been out of radio for 20 years.
I've been out longer now than I
1294
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,520
was in radio, actually.
Yeah.
1295
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
And then was it just the, was it
2 stations in the Green Bay
1296
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,960
area?
Well, actually the first one I
1297
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,280
worked at was a country station,
little AM country station that
1298
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,880
doesn't exist anymore called
WGEE, which now has a call
1299
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,240
letters.
I think W it's still it's 1360
1300
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,840
AM.
I don't know what they're W
1301
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:33,970
something.
And then it was Star 98, which
1302
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:35,970
went through different name
changes over the years.
1303
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:37,770
You know, every time a new
consultant came in, they called
1304
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:41,410
it something different.
But it was 98.5.
1305
01:04:41,410 --> 01:04:45,490
FM was there for quite a few
years and worked with Doug
1306
01:04:45,490 --> 01:04:47,050
Kaufman, who was my morning
partner.
1307
01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:52,360
Then he went over to the sports
station WDUZ that was owned at
1308
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,360
that time by Laird Broadcasting.
But then Cumulus bought all that
1309
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,760
out.
So when that happened, I worked
1310
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,040
with a couple other people.
It just there wasn't the
1311
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,120
chemistry.
So I ended up going back to
1312
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Midwest.
I did, yeah.
1313
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,360
And then Doug and I, after I
left and went back to Midwest
1314
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,880
and did my own morning show on a
light station there.
1315
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,920
We ended up being reunited again
about three years later.
1316
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,440
And then that's, that's where I
finished my career.
1317
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:21,140
So Doug and I worked together
two different times.
1318
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:23,460
Yeah, it was cool.
We just were lucky.
1319
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:27,020
We just, we had the chemistry,
you know, It just worked.
1320
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:31,420
And Doug was very supportive of
me and who I was and very
1321
01:05:31,420 --> 01:05:33,380
protective of it.
Nice.
1322
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:34,500
Yeah.
Yeah.
1323
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:39,380
And that so then leading up to
the end of that, you know
1324
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:41,820
talking about making your
transition kind of similar to
1325
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:44,660
what I did, you were returning
learner as an adult and then
1326
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:48,830
completely changed paths.
Civil Hop was your first job
1327
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:50,310
post radio, right?
Yep.
1328
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:52,670
Yep.
I went back to school at NWTC
1329
01:05:53,110 --> 01:05:56,470
and got a associate's degree as
a Speech language Pathologist
1330
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:59,590
assistant.
And then the DPI would not give
1331
01:05:59,590 --> 01:06:04,390
that position licensure.
There's lots of reasons for it,
1332
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:07,910
but I was able to get a job at
Civil Hop because of that degree
1333
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:11,350
that I had, because so many kids
there are, you know, have speech
1334
01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:13,710
language therapy, you know,
challenges.
1335
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,360
So I went to Civil Hop, fell in
love with it, just loved it
1336
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,840
there.
The staff, the students, I
1337
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,440
never, I didn't know I had that
propensity to work with special
1338
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,200
needs populations, like, until I
did.
1339
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
And I just loved it.
I mean, I probably would have
1340
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,480
stayed there for my whole
career, but I did need to make
1341
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,510
more money because I was, you
know, a late, late, you know,
1342
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:41,510
degree getter and all that.
Nobody gets rich in radio.
1343
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:43,910
No.
I didn't even have a.
1344
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:50,590
They didn't even have Iras or
401 KS until I was like 32.
1345
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:54,150
I didn't have any of that.
I spent all my money and I, you
1346
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:56,070
know, it was great, but not
great now.
1347
01:06:56,070 --> 01:06:59,790
But well, now it is.
But anyway, so I worked there
1348
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:01,950
for about 8 or 9 years I
believe.
1349
01:07:02,770 --> 01:07:06,530
And then during that time I knew
like okay, I had great benefits
1350
01:07:06,530 --> 01:07:10,130
there because I actually work
for SISA through the county.
1351
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:12,970
I had great benefits.
But the hourly pages it just
1352
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:17,250
wasn't going to, I would had to
work till it was 70 and I just
1353
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:22,130
didn't want to do that.
So I went back to UW GB to get
1354
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:25,210
my bachelor's degree finished
and got that.
1355
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:28,530
And you know, people said what's
your degree in psychology and
1356
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:30,330
human development?
And then of course everybody
1357
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:31,730
said what are you going to do
with that?
1358
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:35,890
And I said whatever I want, you
know, so.
1359
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:38,450
And that's what happened.
I got a job as a case manager
1360
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:41,650
for disadvantaged youth down in
Madison or Madison, sorry,
1361
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:46,370
Manitowoc, through a company out
of Madison.
1362
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:48,130
And I worked at the job Center
for about a year.
1363
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:52,850
And then there was a job opening
in the accommodations or special
1364
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:58,010
or the disabilities disability
services department at NWTC and
1365
01:07:58,530 --> 01:08:02,950
Long story short, got hired
there, worked there 2 1/2 years.
1366
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:07,470
There was a cutback at the
college, one of the last ones
1367
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:10,870
they had, and two people from
student services had to be let
1368
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:18,149
go And last in, first out,
myself and another person from
1369
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:20,149
the counseling department who
had been there for quite a
1370
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:21,750
while, a lot longer than I had
been there.
1371
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:27,550
So but fortunately in the same
meeting that they were telling
1372
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:31,350
me this, they also said here's 3
openings that we have that we'd
1373
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:34,310
like you to apply for.
And I looked them over and Care
1374
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:37,870
services was one of them and I
love that department and I knew
1375
01:08:37,870 --> 01:08:42,430
of our boss and I knew people in
there had become friends of
1376
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:44,189
mine.
And so Long story short you
1377
01:08:44,189 --> 01:08:47,990
know, I again I say that a lot.
Long story short, I got and I'm
1378
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:50,069
never short.
I'm never short with my stories.
1379
01:08:50,069 --> 01:08:51,189
That's what's so stupid about
it.
1380
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:54,550
I always say long story, Long
story short, not I'm going to go
1381
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:58,750
on and on about it.
I got hired and work there for
1382
01:09:01,069 --> 01:09:05,470
6-7 years I think in that
department and then the pandemic
1383
01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:09,710
happened and I wasn't planning
on retiring when I did, but
1384
01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:13,310
everything changed.
Everything I when we came back
1385
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:16,670
after it, it just wasn't the
same feel that we had before we
1386
01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:19,470
went in.
The numbers were down as far as
1387
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:21,550
like people in camp.
Not that numbers are down, I
1388
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:25,350
mean they are everywhere.
But people weren't taking as
1389
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:27,390
many class, there weren't as
many students on campus because
1390
01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:31,149
a lot of people then were now
taking classes from home, you
1391
01:09:31,149 --> 01:09:32,990
know, and working from home part
of the time.
1392
01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:37,950
So there wasn't this quite the,
what I want to say, energy on
1393
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:42,109
campus that I really thrived on
just wasn't quite the same for
1394
01:09:42,109 --> 01:09:47,430
me and I just realized I wasn't
enjoying it as much as I had pre
1395
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:50,229
pandemic.
So from I went from thinking I'm
1396
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:55,150
going to work till I'm 66 to,
you know, a week after I turned
1397
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:59,270
62, I retired just like that.
Forwarded that decision.
1398
01:09:59,270 --> 01:10:00,830
I did.
I did, yeah.
1399
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:03,950
It wasn't really my plan until
the pandemic, like I said, it
1400
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:05,830
changed it for me.
OK yeah.
1401
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:08,350
I just started thinking, I don't
know if I want to do this like
1402
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:10,790
this.
OK, this isn't really kind of
1403
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:13,470
what I signed up for.
That part I didn't know about
1404
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:15,430
South.
How long was that transition
1405
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:17,230
period?
Like how long from the time
1406
01:10:17,230 --> 01:10:19,670
where you thought maybe
retirement is an option till you
1407
01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:22,850
said, Yep, I'm retiring probably
about four months.
1408
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:26,650
Yeah, pretty quick because my
partner Chris was already
1409
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:30,290
retired.
So that sort of pitched in long
1410
01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:31,810
too.
Yeah, I won't pretend it didn't
1411
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:34,050
because you know, I knew I was
going to give.
1412
01:10:34,090 --> 01:10:36,810
I knew that I would give her at
least a year to be retired
1413
01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:39,370
without me around.
And you know, just because she
1414
01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:42,210
had a high high, stressful, you
know, management type positions
1415
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:45,930
all through her career.
And so she needed to then the
1416
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:49,330
pandemic for her to change how
she was doing her job.
1417
01:10:49,330 --> 01:10:52,680
And she just decided there was
some changes at her work.
1418
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,520
And she was like, I'm, I just
don't want to go through all of
1419
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,080
the stuff again.
And I said retire.
1420
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,680
So she did.
And I let her have a a little
1421
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
over a year or so, year and a
half almost.
1422
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,440
And and you know, when someone
you come home and dinner's made
1423
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:10,640
every night, that's great.
But after a while it'd be more
1424
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,000
great to be home, you know,
preparing the dinner yourself
1425
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,360
because you weren't working all
day.
1426
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,840
You know, the shine sort of wore
off and and of course that was
1427
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,230
part of it.
Just that then, you know,
1428
01:11:21,230 --> 01:11:24,630
because if one person's retired
and you're not after a while,
1429
01:11:24,710 --> 01:11:27,350
this person wants to do this
stuff and go here and do this
1430
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:29,670
and you're holding up the show
over here.
1431
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:34,190
Well, I only have 5 vacation
days and I can use for that.
1432
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:36,990
I can only use this many and
we'll take your sick days.
1433
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:39,750
Oh, you can only take so many.
Then you got to have a doctor's
1434
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:42,270
note.
You know, it's just, yeah, it
1435
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:44,790
starts to get a little bit
wonky.
1436
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,040
And you are kind of at a like,
in addition to being at a point
1437
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,040
in life where you're comfortable
in your own skin, you're also at
1438
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,160
a point like some of the stuff
you've been through with the
1439
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,960
Melanoma and things like that,
where at least from an outward
1440
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,880
perspective of mine looks like
you don't.
1441
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,800
You're not at a place where you
take those minutes for granted,
1442
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,100
so that was also a huge part of
it, yes.
1443
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:15,140
When, you know your partner's at
home and she's retired and
1444
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:18,620
you're thinking I could be
spending these hours with her as
1445
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:22,540
opposed to working, that has to
weigh in on it, too.
1446
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:24,100
It did.
Absolutely.
1447
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,940
Yeah, you're right.
You know, I really should have.
1448
01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:28,820
That was probably more than
anything, was my health.
1449
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,020
And we'd be lying if it wasn't
Clark too.
1450
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:33,020
Well, yeah.
I mean, you have a dog like
1451
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:34,340
Clark.
I mean, you want to be there
1452
01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:36,990
with him, you know, make sure
he's not ripping up the house
1453
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:39,670
while your partner who's retired
is in the garage all day making
1454
01:12:39,670 --> 01:12:41,550
furniture.
Like, what about the dog?
1455
01:12:41,550 --> 01:12:43,190
Somebody's got to pay attention
to the dog.
1456
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:45,310
I guess I'll have to retire.
You said you're the you're the
1457
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:47,270
Clark disciplinarian of the
household, right?
1458
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:50,430
Or no, you're no, Chris is the
disciplinarian.
1459
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:52,270
You're the one that lets Clark
get away with everything.
1460
01:12:53,150 --> 01:12:55,150
I'm the one that feeds Clark
like this.
1461
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:58,270
So how was your day?
Yeah.
1462
01:12:58,270 --> 01:12:59,030
Really.
Oh.
1463
01:12:59,590 --> 01:13:03,310
From the table.
Yeah, I know big no no.
1464
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:06,800
And I know better.
But he looks at me, he looks at
1465
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,880
me and I just oh, you're so
cute, baby.
1466
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:14,800
You're starving to death.
Yeah, starving doesn't have an
1467
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,120
ounce of meat left.
You need some donut because
1468
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,200
that's good for you.
Yeah, Bad.
1469
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,680
Oh, man.
Yeah.
1470
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,960
So.
Well, sure.
1471
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,160
I mean, my mortality stared me
in the face.
1472
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,800
You know, I got told I had maybe
6 to 18 months at one point.
1473
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,340
So I was like, oh, wow, okay,
okay.
1474
01:13:34,860 --> 01:13:37,380
All right, now what?
You know, I mean, I started, you
1475
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:40,420
know, making some plans and
writing things down.
1476
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:43,660
And luckily I got into a
clinical trial that obviously
1477
01:13:43,660 --> 01:13:47,660
worked really well for me and
had a great surgeon and vascular
1478
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:51,580
surgeon who got this complicated
messed up tumor out of my body
1479
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:55,540
without too much damage, you
know, And now I'll be, it'll be
1480
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:58,060
10 years this November.
Yeah.
1481
01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:01,610
So it was a clinical trial that
you were lucky enough to be
1482
01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:02,730
involved in.
Yeah.
1483
01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:05,770
And it worked for me.
I know they don't use that
1484
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:08,610
treatment anymore, but it, you
know, obviously worked well for
1485
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:10,530
me.
They have even better ones now.
1486
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:13,690
So I don't even part of me is
like if I got cancer back, I
1487
01:14:13,690 --> 01:14:17,090
just look at it as like a
chronic illness now, like, you
1488
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:19,890
know, they'll be new treatments.
And there are for Melanoma,
1489
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:22,250
they've made great strides.
Now the only thing that would
1490
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:24,210
mess it up is if it was in your
brain or something.
1491
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:28,610
That's a pretty tough one to,
you know, overcome, but you
1492
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:30,770
know, they they just can keep
extending.
1493
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:33,050
It's just I look at it as a
chronic illness where they could
1494
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:35,690
just keep extending my life and
extending my life and extending
1495
01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:38,330
my life.
So I've already had a lifetime
1496
01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:43,990
more than some people do have
had already, you know, So I
1497
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:45,750
don't worry about it at all
anymore.
1498
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:47,910
Is that possibility something
they tell you about?
1499
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:49,630
Like, is it something they told
you then?
1500
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:52,390
Like, are you at more of a
propensity to have it again or
1501
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:53,150
something?
Sure, Yep.
1502
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:55,030
Yep.
Like your odds or the percentage
1503
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:58,030
chances of getting it back
again, you know, or this or
1504
01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:02,630
that.
But I just quit worrying about
1505
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:04,550
it.
Only the fact that I know life
1506
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:07,390
can change in an instant.
Like, truly.
1507
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:11,580
So that's why too, I thought, do
I wanna work till I'm 66 and
1508
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:13,780
then all of a sudden be
unhealthy or find out I have
1509
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:17,100
cancer, I'm gonna die in three
months, then I'm really gonna be
1510
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:18,860
ticked off.
And I was like, no, that's not
1511
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:20,660
what I want.
That's not how I want my story
1512
01:15:20,660 --> 01:15:24,300
to end, you know?
And that's a good friend of both
1513
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:26,580
of ours that just happened to
but.
1514
01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:30,190
In some ways, I think I in some
ways, I think that's how he may
1515
01:15:30,190 --> 01:15:32,030
have wanted it.
Absolutely.
1516
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:37,070
Because he wanted, he loved
working so much and teaching and
1517
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:41,910
all that, so much that, you
know, I think he probably was
1518
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:45,310
almost forced by family and
everybody to like, you got to
1519
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:48,190
quit and you go, yeah, you got
to kind of think about it.
1520
01:15:48,190 --> 01:15:50,310
And then as soon as he makes up
his mind, he's going to do it.
1521
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:53,750
He basically died before he hit
his retirement date even.
1522
01:15:54,230 --> 01:15:56,700
Yeah, yeah.
I just, you know, for him.
1523
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:59,340
I think I tell myself that was
OK.
1524
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:01,740
And then I think, well, I had a
conversation with him about it
1525
01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:04,020
actually on the phone, and he
was OK with it.
1526
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:08,820
He was, yeah, he was OK with it.
He met it head on and he was OK
1527
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:10,620
with it.
And I said, I totally get it.
1528
01:16:10,820 --> 01:16:13,980
Good for you, you know.
Just make sure you keep yourself
1529
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:16,380
comfortable.
Unsurprisingly, almost right.
1530
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:17,580
Right.
Oh yeah.
1531
01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:22,820
He he was such a moving person
because of the because of that
1532
01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:25,980
almost attitude.
That attitude that he had, that
1533
01:16:26,220 --> 01:16:28,860
it's unsurprising that he met
that thing face to face.
1534
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:34,020
And seemingly within a week he
came at me with an adage that
1535
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:36,140
was just like, you know,
unbelievable.
1536
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:39,300
Like it's like, Oh my goodness,
you know, like only you could
1537
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:41,580
think of that.
And a week after someone told
1538
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:43,500
you you're like you're dying,
you're dying.
1539
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:45,620
Yeah, only you would come to me
and say that.
1540
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:48,100
Yeah, you know, yeah, he was
from, he was just a remarkable
1541
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:50,340
person.
And I feel like, yeah, he came
1542
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:53,180
into everyone's life that he
came into for a reason.
1543
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:54,350
Absolutely.
Yeah.
1544
01:16:54,670 --> 01:16:58,430
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'll never I'll never
1545
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:00,590
forget he the one time it was
joking.
1546
01:17:00,590 --> 01:17:04,350
At the time, it was probably
maybe a year and a half before
1547
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:06,310
he found out the bad news that
he was dying and stuff.
1548
01:17:07,150 --> 01:17:09,230
He kind of joked to me one time.
He said, you know what?
1549
01:17:09,230 --> 01:17:10,230
Buddy was coming.
Buddy said.
1550
01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:11,750
You know what, bud?
They're going to have to pry my
1551
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:14,830
hands off this keyboard.
Yep, I heard him say stuff like
1552
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:16,070
that too.
They're going to have to pry me
1553
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:19,470
out of here, cuz I'd always say,
Andy, how old are you, you know?
1554
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:22,960
And he and he'd say whatever.
His age was 70s and I'd just be
1555
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,840
like, God, how do you do it?
He said.
1556
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,000
I love it.
This is what gives me my energy.
1557
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,960
You know, they're going to have
to pry me out of here.
1558
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,920
They're going to have to carry
me out of here, you know.
1559
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,560
And practically they almost had
to, you know.
1560
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,000
So.
But I I always think of him
1561
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,400
fondly now because I think he
probably was okay.
1562
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,840
I he told me he had a full,
wonderful life, you know, He
1563
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,280
said he has.
I have no regrets.
1564
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,880
I've had a great life.
What's there to complain about?
1565
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,800
You know?
And I tell people that too.
1566
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,440
If I fell over right now on the
floor and neither but nobody in
1567
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,800
here knew how to save me and
give me CPR, it'd be okay with
1568
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,800
me.
I mean, well, maybe not okay,
1569
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:04,520
but I'd still wish you did.
But it'd be okay.
1570
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,320
Because, I mean, I've had a
great life, you know, I've done
1571
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,320
lots of things I don't.
I don't want for anything.
1572
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,120
I don't need anything more.
I don't.
1573
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,040
I'm just not right now.
I'm just enjoying my life.
1574
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,880
It's like bonus, you know, bonus
time.
1575
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:18,620
So that's kind of how I look at
it.
1576
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:21,020
It's all a bonus.
You want to know what's weird?
1577
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:22,100
You want to know?
I bet.
1578
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:23,380
Who else feels like that right
now?
1579
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:30,460
Aaron Rodgers It's bonus.
It's bonus.
1580
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:33,180
Like, it's bonus.
Yeah, it is for him.
1581
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:36,740
He's going to be 40 years old
and he's still playing football
1582
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:39,220
and he has a chance to be an MVP
again.
1583
01:18:39,420 --> 01:18:42,380
You know if he's, we thinks he's
he thinks he's with the right
1584
01:18:42,380 --> 01:18:45,370
people now and he has the
weapons to that he always wanted
1585
01:18:45,370 --> 01:18:46,130
to have.
Yeah.
1586
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:47,370
It's bonus time for him.
Yeah.
1587
01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:49,410
Good segue back into football.
I like that.
1588
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:51,130
I loved it.
It was awesome.
1589
01:18:51,170 --> 01:18:52,850
How?
Could we not bring it back
1590
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:56,330
around to Aaron Rodgers?
How could you and I not sandwich
1591
01:18:56,330 --> 01:19:00,370
our conversation with sports?
Some of the heaviest, most
1592
01:19:00,410 --> 01:19:03,170
awesome things that you could
ever talk about and then end it
1593
01:19:03,170 --> 01:19:05,210
was sports.
And probably some funny shit.
1594
01:19:06,130 --> 01:19:08,170
Go Pat, go.
That's totally our style.
1595
01:19:08,210 --> 01:19:09,770
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
1596
01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:11,330
That's very funny.
That was good.
1597
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:13,680
Nice segue.
Way to tie that.
1598
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,760
What's it called?
Piggybacking or whatever?
1599
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,800
Piggy piggyback.
I don't know.
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01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,640
I don't.
Know I like segue when they have
1601
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,320
a commercial on and it's like 15
seconds and then they go to
1602
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,160
another one and then they come
back with another 15 second
1603
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,600
bookends bookended that good
job.
1604
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,280
Bookended it was sports.
Yep, that was very good.
1605
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,240
You know Bookender.
You Brad the Bookender?
1606
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,760
It was so good to talk with you.
Thank you, Kevin.
1607
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,400
You too, Brad.
It was a pleasure.
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You're welcome.
So this is an old did you do
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this while you were on the air?
Well, pretty much.
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I usually ate because, you know,
on the morning show it was so
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early and I got up and had
coffee like or stopped at a gas
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station on the way and got
coffee.
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So at work, somebody always
brought in bakery, a listener,
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one of the other staff that came
in early.
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We always had crap in there.
Always.
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It was amazing.
I didn't weigh 300 pounds, quite
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frankly.
I mean, really, I'm.
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I'm lucky.
I have some good metabolism.
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I think, I think you probably
move a little too much for that.
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Well, that could be what do you
mean?
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So good to see you though.
Oh, good to see you too.
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Is you're so clean shaven, I
know.
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Are you staying that way
nowadays?
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I have been, yeah.
I don't know why.
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But yeah, I've been clean shaven
pretty regularly now for a few
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months.
Feels good.
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I like it.
I do too.
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On me.
I've been clean shaven too for a
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while, you know.
As you get older, you'll find
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you know Samantha will begin to
grow the hair.
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Not anytime soon, but you know
after menopause.
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And you'll start to lose even
more.
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Pretty soon your legs will be.
You won't have to shave them.
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They'll just be almost hairless.
So we switch places?
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Yeah, well, yeah, in some ways
the hairy, the hairy way men
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lose it and women grow it, and
not in places they want to.
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Yeah, the hand were dealt
actually was looking at beard
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oil one day at Target.
Just, I thought maybe instead of
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getting rid of it all, I should
just embrace work with it and
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embrace it, shine it up a
little.
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You always told me that.
You always told me that you were
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jealous of the ability to, like,
be able to grow a beard and cut
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a beard.
I've loved beards and mustaches
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since I was a little kid.
I don't know why my dad didn't
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have one when he tried to grow
one.
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He looked real, like, kind of
swarthy or, I don't know, He
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just didn't look good.
He looked like kind of scary cuz
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he had a dark complexion and for
some reason and kind of what
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they used to call a Ruddy
complexion, which yeah, kind of
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like reddish tones.
And really, his beard grew
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really fast, his whiskers so he
all.
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But when he grew a beard, he
sort of looked like a gorilla
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with a beard.
So he stayed away.
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Girls don't have beards, but he
for some reason looked like 1.
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I mean, but if a gorilla did
have a beard, yeah, if a gorilla
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had a beard, he'd look like my
dad.
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God bless him.
You know, just kidding around.
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Dad, I love you.
You know, I do Anyway.
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But yeah, it makes you look
really young.
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I've been told.
I think it makes me look
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thinner.
Yeah.
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I was actually gonna ask you if
you lost weight.
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Yeah, I've because I can see
your, you can see your
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cheekbones.
And you really have a nice nice
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fine features.
I thank you.
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I've never really noticed
before.
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Yeah, I I went.
I was telling Samantha I giggled
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about it.
There was probably no this was a
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month or two ago.
There was like a weak span where
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like 3 people asked me if I had
lost weight and it was probably
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the first time each of those
people had saw me since I had
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been clean shaven for a while.
So I guess it's just got to
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stick around.
Sorry.
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Take it.
Take it when you get them.
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That's awesome.
You brought a doughnut?
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Well.
Immediately before this doughnut
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I had ice cream.
So my other favorite.
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I'm just double sugaring it and
still people are asking if I'm
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looking at that.
So what's your favorite ice
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cream?
Right now we're on this kick of
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from Fresh Thyme.
Actually I know you like Fresh
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Thyme.
The brand is, I think it's
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called Hudsonville and it is
chocolate.
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Brownie cookie dough and the
trifecta.
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Yeah, it's Immaculate.
Yeah, it's really good.
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Chocolate brownie cookie dough.
And it's nice because the the
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brownies and the cookie dough
aren't too like chalky.
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You know, sometimes you get
those ice creams that they like.
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Yeah, yeah, Chalky.
Yes, this one is great.
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The chocolate ice cream is nice
and like, really wispy and kind
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of thin.
Oh, it's good.
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It's like 1 I'd like to stir up,
like stir it all up together,
86
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kind of make it a malt texture
and then sort of I like to do
87
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that.
Let it melt a little bit and
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it's spoonfuls of almost shake.
Yeah, salivating.
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I've actually kind of leaned a
little away from ice cream these
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days, just because sometimes
dairy just doesn't always set
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well with me.
So I've been into frozen yogurts
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that really now tastes like ice
cream.
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Not like the kind they first
came out with 20 years ago when
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you were in the cradle, but the
kind that you probably, you
95
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know, got spoon fed them a
little bit once in a while.
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And it's called, I think it's
got black cherries in it.
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It's black cherry something,
frozen yogurt and it's really
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good.
Although I always like the ones
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with chocolate and cookie dough
and caramel and and all that in
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them too.
There's really not an ice cream
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or an ice cream like thing.
I I still eat ice cream, but not
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on a regular basis.
Like we've been eating
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drumsticks at our house lately.
Yeah, the sugar cone, the ice
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cream.
And now they put caramel in the
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middle or fudge in the middle of
the ice cream and then really
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nice chocolate and then nuts on
the top.
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Yeah, now I'm really getting
hungry.
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So, like, Smart Cow, then.
Do you guys ever go to Smart
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Cow?
No, no.
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If I'm going to eat ice cream, I
eat ice cream.
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Because smart cows in yogurt,
right?
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Yeah, maybe it is.
But it's supposed to be less.
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I mean, it's supposed to be good
for you, I think.
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Probably.
Whatever.
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Yeah.
I just don't.
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I like it.
I thoroughly enjoyed it.
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I just don't go because like,
they have a perfect like
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business model.
Like they have two, two
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different size.
I was confused.
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Yes, Now I know what you're
talking about.
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Smart cow.
Yes, I'm smart cow.
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I got you.
Got you.
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So smart cow, they've got two
the different size cups.
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And like I do too.
Isn't that weird?
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Yeah, something in common.
Nobody's symmetric, sorry.
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They and by the time you get
through just the ice cream wall,
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then you get your toppings and
you have like $11.00 worth of
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ice cream.
It's They get you every single
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time.
It's good though.
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Yeah, yeah.
What about Gelato?
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You ever do Gelato?
No, not really.
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Everybody says it's delicious
and yummy and I just every time
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I look at it and look at the
texture of it, I just kind of
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go, I don't know, yeah, I'm kind
of.
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I'm very sensory and that just
looks like it might feel funny
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in my mouth for some reason.
I'll try it one day, but I just
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haven't.
I've been satisfied with my
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frozen yogurt and ice cream, so
I haven't felt the need to try
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another branch of that whole
thing.
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But I will someday just for you.
All right.
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And then you'll think of me.
I will.
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Yes, I will.
You probably like I'm that's
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like a probably a prerequisite
to POST.
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Retirement, right?
It's like mid afternoon ice
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cream socials.
Like, isn't that a sort of, you
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know what?
No, actually, this is a thing.
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Mid afternoon coffee with like
pie or a cookie or donut.
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I don't often do, don't.
I don't have Donuts at home, but
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I do sometimes have pie or a
brownie.
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So it's about 2:33 because I eat
lunch.
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Sometimes about 11:30, you know,
by noon for sure because I eat
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breakfast at like 6:30 so I
can't it to make it to dinner
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time.
I got to have a mid afternoon
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snack and a little touch of this
to get me through so I can watch
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Netflix all night and Hulu and
prime, you know, till the wee
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hours.
I know we lie.
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We got to fly in the zone.
That's a new one too.
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It must have came in probably an
Iranian spy.
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They're in here.
We got a lot of hot takes in
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here that they're looking for
good 10 boy.
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Yeah, I know.
You're a big, you're a big show
162
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watcher.
What's been on your list?
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What was I watching last night?
Oh, we I have.
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We got two free or three free
days of is it Showtime?
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I think so.
I just started watching a show
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called Is it Shy?
Shy, Shy.
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It's CHI.
It's takes place in Chicago.
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It's it's really like this inner
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city streets of Chicago kind of
show, you know, with the
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language and the culture and
everything.
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So I got about 2 1/2 episodes in
and I'm kind of hooked.
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So.
And there's like five seasons.
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So it's like, oh, crap, this is
exactly what they want you to
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do.
Start watching something, get
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hooked, and then you got to buy
it at least for a month to
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finish off your, you know, the
series that you started.
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So I probably will.
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I was just, I was thinking, I'm
justifying it by saying, well,
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it's going to drop Hulu anyway
and pick up Netflix again so I
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could watch quarterback because
I dropped Netflix before the
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summer just for a switch, you
know, because there's stuff on
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Hulu I wanted to see.
And now I'm kind of running
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through Hulu a little bit and
nothing's jumping out at me
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anymore.
So I still go back to my old
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standby is like, you know,
Everybody Loves Raymond King.
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I still go back to those some
nights when I really need to get
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to sleep.
So I put those on because I've
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seen Everybody Loves Raymond.
I've seen every episode at least
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10 times at least.
I can, like most guys can recite
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the lines with them.
I don't know why, but I've
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always found guys can do that
better than women.
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And I don't know what it is
like.
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Guys can recite movie lines like
line for line.
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They'll say to you each other,
hey, hit it out of the ballpark
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and the other guy goes, yeah, in
the fourth zone.
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They both laugh.
And you're like, what?
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You know, Like, haven't you ever
seen Ghostbusters?
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You know?
And I'm like, yeah, but I don't
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know the lines.
But why is that?
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It must be a guy thing.
I never hear women do it.
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Especially cult comedy classics.
Yeah, they like.
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You will never go golfing with a
middle-aged group of dudes and
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not here, 19.
Caddyshack.
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Sure.
Oh, absolutely.
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You're out in the golf course.
Yeah, it just lends itself to
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it.
And I stand there and and some
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of the lines are funny without
seeing the movie.
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But I did see that movie.
But again, I don't remember it
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like that.
I remembered it was funny, you
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know.
But, you know, you've probably
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watched it more than how many
times, too, to be able to
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memorize the lines.
Like I said, I've seen all the
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Raymond episodes at least 10
times each, and that's how I've
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been able to memorize some of
the lines, but not.
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So I'm wondering, do guys all
watch movies that much, like,
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repeat them?
And I'm thinking, yeah, they
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actually watch replays of, like,
football games, so of course
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they do.
Well, actually, you know, I
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before I came here, I was
watching a little bit just
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because I was waiting for the
time to come, and I was kind of
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in between.
I watched a little bit of the
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Viking Seahawks game from last
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Yeah, yeah, just the very
beginning.
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And I thought, what am I doing?
Packers preseason game tonight.
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It's kind of a kind of a big
one, right?
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As big as preseason gets, how do
you how are you feeling about,
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you know we've had conversations
about sports before so many so.
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I have talked about sports for
hours and hours.
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This will be a big part of what
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Yeah, How are you feeling about
the season going in?
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Like honestly feeling like,
what's your gut tell you?
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My gut says we're probably gonna
be just under 500, something
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like that.
I really, really want Jordan
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love to do well.
God, I hope he does.
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I'm with you there.
I just, I haven't seen anything
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yet to point that direction.
I hope and I guess somebody has,
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but not us.
Right, but.
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You know, there's a there's a
lot of egos in the NFL and I
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think we've learned that over
the past couple years more than
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yeah, there was a guy that was
here that seemed to have a
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pretty healthy one.
Can't think of his name right
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now.
Or yeah, and among many, among
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many, we'll.
Talk about that too, because we
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we have different thoughts on
Aaron.
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But I think that's a it's it'll
be interesting to see how that
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unfolds if it's the ego from the
front office.
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That said, this is our guy
because we picked him in the
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first round.
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Yeah, or if there's truly
something that we haven't seen.
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Because you never know.
I mean, you don't know what to
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take for full credit from the
media now anyway.
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Like you never know.
It came from a PR machines,
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right?
Because we don't have, you know,
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inside sources that are at
practice every day and reporting
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back to us, you know, except for
the people on the radio or
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whatever, the reporters that are
in there.
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But again, they only see so
much, right?
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And tonight we'll only see so
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Yeah, what do you think?
Three drives tonight, maybe.
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Maybe.
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You know, I've been listening a
lot to sports radio because
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that's kind of radio I like to
listen to.
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Besides your podcast, of course.
Absolutely, #1I, How was that?
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Did I say it right?
Did I say it how he told me to?
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Yeah.
That's what you told me to say,
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right?
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Something okay.
I knew you checked some.
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Notes.
That's right.
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They're under the table.
What was I gonna say?
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I forgot, oh, they said that,
you know, you know, they've
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asked coaches, why do you, why
do you want these joint
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practices?
Because Lefleur was the first
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coach to bring that into Green
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They've never done that before,
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And and then the preseason games
and what they explained, and it
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kind of made sense to me was is
that the joint practices, the
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veterans actually get a lot of
reps.
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They're actually, you know,
getting 20 to 30 reps during a
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joint practice when they go
against each other.
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But in a preseason game, most of
the veterans aren't getting a
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lot of reps because those games
are to see who's going to make
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the team, you know, I mean, they
know who's going to be on the
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team.
So those guys, they don't want
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to get hurt, but they have to
practice anyway.
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And in the joint practices, they
get to let it get a little bit
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lathered up and, you know, let a
little bit of that out finally.
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So I thought that kind of made
sense.
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You know, you know what you got
in the veterans, but you just,
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you got to see these guys under
the big lights.
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You know, some guys are good
practice players and they don't
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do so well in a game, you know,
I mean, just like players who
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are great players and whatever
sport they're in, but they
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don't.
It doesn't translate to
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coaching.
Not quite the same, but kind of
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like that great practice player,
but just doesn't have the juice
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to, or maybe even the mental
juice to put it together in a in
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a game.
Yeah, there's different levels,
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people.
Or a great regular season player
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that just can't make the jump
into a great postseason player.
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Yeah, I can think of one.
I think it was the same one we
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were talking about earlier.
Oh, that is.
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You know, I think probably right
now you and I are closer on
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Aaron Rodgers and we've probably
ever been.
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That's tough.
That's tough.
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But it's certainly he.
He had performances in the
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postseason that he could win,
but there there are certainly
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times when it he didn't play up
to, you know, his obvious
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ability.
I've come around a little bit on
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him.
Yeah, I have.
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I think just because, you know,
taking stock of my own life and
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stepping back and leaving the
working world and making a big
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change, I think I can kind of
see what was happening there
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with him.
You know, like he probably
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should have been gone sooner
rather than later.
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And there wouldn't have been all
the bitterness on both sides
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because you know, everybody, no
matter how good they are or
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whatever, I mean look at even if
we have terms on the presidency,
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you know, I mean things come to
fruition and they just, you
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know, at some point they they
plateau and then they go like
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that.
I mean, I think it was just I
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respect him more as a person.
I wished he would have handled
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some things a little
differently, but I think the
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Packers also could have handled,
definitely handled things
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differently.
So I think it's a more of a 5050
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thing there and the best thing
that happened could have.
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It's funny you say that because
I'm sure we're at it or the
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closest we've ever been because
I've I've come a little bit of
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the to the other way.
OK because of exactly what you
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just said.
You know, I, I mean, Aaron
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Rodgers was the the top of the
mountain for me.
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I know, I know.
And.
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You I completely agree with you
that I always I I always had the
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argument that Aaron Rodgers was
a very effective leader and and
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I kind of I'll overlook some
things that weren't effective
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leadership from his perspective.
But I believe they happened
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because of what you're saying.
I I think there was.
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That divorce should have
happened earlier.
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There was too much animosity
there that there was a.
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There was too much underlying
emotion for either side to do
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what was right.
And the reason it worked out for
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Aaron is because he's such a
stick it in your face guy that
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they said, oh okay, you're going
to draft my replacement.
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I'm going to do every single
thing I can to make you look
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like an idiot MVP twice.
But that's not leading A-Team,
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you know?
So I can you can you can
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understand more what happened
when you take a step back from
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it.
I'm super happy for him.
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Did you Hard Knocks, do you have
HBO at all?
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No, I don't.
Now I'm like, I've never wanted
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to watch that.
And then I don't want to be that
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person that watches it.
Just because as I read and some
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Facebook posts, it should be
called Hard Knocks with Aaron
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Rodgers first.
You know, like because it was
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like it was all about Aaron
Rodgers.
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They said forget the Hard Knocks
part.
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Let's just call it Aaron Rodgers
Hard Knocks.
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It was.
It was Aaron Rodgers physical
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footage.
And then it was other players
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talking about how cool it was to
play with Aaron Rodgers.
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Which really.
Well, how do you get away from?
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He's a legend, right?
He's a legend.
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I mean, that's face it.
I mean, that's how it's going to
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be.
If it was Tom Brady, Yeah, Which
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it probably was at one time.
Didn't they do his?
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I mean, don't most of the teams
have done it now right or not?
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I'm sure they never didn't.
Really.
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No, probably not.
Belichick probably wouldn't.
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He probably wouldn't have
allowed that first or something.
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Yeah, yeah.
It would be a distraction and he
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doesn't allow that.
Yeah, and think about even that
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relationship, that relationship
came.
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To a a head where I'm sure there
were more they're just better at
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keeping stuff internal.
But I'm there was some rocky
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times between Brady and
Belichick you know there were so
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it was time to go.
I wish for both parties involved
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it would have happened a little
bit earlier because to to have
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the last couple years we did
with was kind of frustrating,
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you know like they didn't give
him the tools and and I firmly
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believe like like look at he
went there he he's already taken
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a pay cut.
And all the things we wanted him
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to do here.
And he went to mini camp like he
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went to.
Yeah, that was kind of a that
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hurt a little bit.
But again, that's a, you know,
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that's the biggest FU that you
can have.
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Can I say that?
That's the big OK good.
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That's the biggest FU that you
can have towards the Packers
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right there.
Like see if you would have just
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given me these things.
And although we did give him
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things, let's not forget that we
did give him a lot about what he
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wanted.
They did make concessions, but
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they kind of had to as well.
I mean, that's what happens when
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you're working with a guy who's
a legend and a Hall of Famer.
394
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:42,130
What are you going to do?
Ignore everything he asked for?
395
00:19:42,130 --> 00:19:44,170
You can't.
You can't.
396
00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:46,570
You have to give in.
I mean, they all have done that,
397
00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:50,130
no matter who they are, you
know, But, but yeah, I'm.
398
00:19:50,130 --> 00:19:52,370
I'm like, I think he's going to
have a good year.
399
00:19:52,930 --> 00:19:54,610
Do I think he's going to make it
to the Super Bowl?
400
00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:56,730
I really don't.
There's just, there's just too
401
00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:59,850
many talented quarterbacks.
But again, maybe somebody gets
402
00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:01,130
hurt.
Maybe.
403
00:20:01,130 --> 00:20:04,610
Maybe Pat Mahomes gets hurt.
Maybe I can't even think of all
404
00:20:04,610 --> 00:20:05,970
their names out.
Maybe somebody else gets.
405
00:20:06,050 --> 00:20:08,290
Him Josh Allen?
Yeah, Josh Allen is the other
406
00:20:08,290 --> 00:20:11,050
one, right?
There's a lot of good
407
00:20:11,050 --> 00:20:13,250
quarterbacks in there.
Already strained his calf that I
408
00:20:13,250 --> 00:20:15,650
look too bad.
But yeah, it's gonna be another
409
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:18,290
fascinating year.
I just, I'm just excited to have
410
00:20:18,570 --> 00:20:20,570
kind of get back to just being a
football team.
411
00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:23,930
Yeah, having the Green Bay
Packers now and not always.
412
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:26,570
It's just Aaron Rodgers, Aaron
Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers and I
413
00:20:26,570 --> 00:20:28,530
think Aaron Rodgers for giving
us a Super Bowl.
414
00:20:28,530 --> 00:20:31,040
That's great.
It was awesome because I can
415
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,960
still Lord it over all those
Viking fans, especially my
416
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,840
family, you know, every time
they get smart ago.
417
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,280
And how many Super Bowls have
you been?
418
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,320
How many Super Bowls have you
seen your team win?
419
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,720
I've seen my team win two of
them, yeah, in my lifetime.
420
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,240
Yeah, Dan and I were talking
earlier about how, like when the
421
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:49,120
Lions win, it's kind of like
that's good.
422
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:50,120
Never.
Good for you Lions.
423
00:20:50,120 --> 00:20:52,440
But when the Vikings win?
Good.
424
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,400
No.
And now this year, it's going to
425
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520
be both.
Because I mean, sounds like
426
00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:02,050
Detroit could be, sounds like
our division, really anything
427
00:21:02,050 --> 00:21:03,330
could happen.
Anybody could win it.
428
00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:05,210
Be interesting to see what
Fields does.
429
00:21:05,210 --> 00:21:07,730
His development.
Lions are explosive on offense.
430
00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:09,770
It's going to be fun here.
Yeah, I think so, too.
431
00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:11,330
Fun.
Yeah, what about?
432
00:21:12,210 --> 00:21:13,730
I know you're a big Brewer
watcher.
433
00:21:13,730 --> 00:21:17,970
Are you you watching this year?
Yeah, yeah, it's been, it's been
434
00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:20,570
kind of frustrating, you know,
because they too are right on
435
00:21:20,570 --> 00:21:23,530
the edge of something.
And again, the Brewers never
436
00:21:23,530 --> 00:21:27,770
really go for it as far as
stolen out the money and tried
437
00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:30,330
to get the players they need.
They needed bats.
438
00:21:30,330 --> 00:21:31,530
So they went and got two of
them.
439
00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:36,810
Like kind of like getting like
people that bat like 220, you
440
00:21:36,810 --> 00:21:40,930
know, It's like what?
I mean, we needed a first
441
00:21:40,930 --> 00:21:42,810
baseman, so they had to get get
one.
442
00:21:43,250 --> 00:21:45,050
I think Santana is the one they
picked up.
443
00:21:45,050 --> 00:21:47,930
But I don't know.
I mean, we're going to have all
444
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:50,970
our pitchers back now and
that'll help.
445
00:21:50,970 --> 00:21:54,130
But still, I mean, you can win
with pitching, but you still
446
00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:59,890
have to have some, some batters,
some people that can hit, hit in
447
00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:02,450
the run, some with Rbi's.
We just don't have enough of
448
00:22:02,450 --> 00:22:05,050
that happening.
We get on base, we just don't
449
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:07,970
get into home plate.
It's so hard, then what to
450
00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:12,370
translate pitching success into
the postseason because, like,
451
00:22:12,410 --> 00:22:16,450
inevitably there's those couple
games that your starters go for
452
00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:18,890
innings and then you got to go
to the bullpen early.
453
00:22:19,470 --> 00:22:22,110
And then you're behind the 8
ball, and that's happened a few
454
00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:24,630
times like that.
Yeah, getting all creative with
455
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:27,830
the bullpen and, you know,
wearing them out.
456
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:30,390
And then, you know, one week
you're starting pitchers are
457
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:33,350
awesome and the bullpen sucks
and they lose the game.
458
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:36,270
The next week the starting
pitchers are awesome.
459
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:39,350
Then we can't score, you know,
and the bullpen is good.
460
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:40,790
But then we can't.
We can't.
461
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:44,550
Every time the Brewers score
less than four runs, they lose
462
00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:49,080
almost every single time.
It's just a thing this year.
463
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,320
But I still.
I love watching the games for
464
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,880
the most part.
It's kind of like Packer games
465
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,120
when they get, when they
frustrate me, I get up and walk
466
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:58,160
away from baseball.
Because come on, it's like every
467
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,320
day.
You can't sit there and watch
468
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,400
all games every day.
Otherwise you're weird.
469
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,600
Yes.
Or then I'm like, then I might
470
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,320
as well just put it on my cap
and gain 200 pounds and sit in
471
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:09,680
my chair.
And take book at home.
472
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,160
Yep, Yep.
And take book at home.
473
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,240
Was that was that an error or
what would you call that?
474
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,880
A base hit or an error?
Yeah.
475
00:23:18,030 --> 00:23:21,030
I'm on.
I'm currently on a It's not the
476
00:23:21,030 --> 00:23:24,030
Brewers fault so I won't call it
a Brewer boycott, but I've only
477
00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:27,110
watched 1 Brewer game.
What's going on with?
478
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:28,390
You the whole Bally sports
thing.
479
00:23:28,510 --> 00:23:30,710
Oh, I know.
It drives me insane.
480
00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:32,430
Yeah, I know.
Absolutely insane.
481
00:23:32,430 --> 00:23:35,830
I know I have to switch my
streamers every year so I can
482
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:39,270
watch the game on Bally Sports.
And now Bally Sports is, you
483
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:42,030
know, you know, I have to say I
never thought he would, but I
484
00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:45,310
like it when the games are on
YouTube TV.
485
00:23:45,690 --> 00:23:47,490
I mean, I'm sorry, Apple, Apple
TV.
486
00:23:47,970 --> 00:23:50,330
They have every.
I think they've had like 3
487
00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:52,850
Brewers games now on Apple TV.
Yeah.
488
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:57,130
And their camera work and
they're just the just the way it
489
00:23:57,130 --> 00:23:59,290
looks.
So it's better to play for.
490
00:23:59,290 --> 00:24:01,090
I think they are.
Yeah, I think so.
491
00:24:01,090 --> 00:24:05,130
Yeah.
They have some decent announcing
492
00:24:05,130 --> 00:24:07,570
staff there.
You know, I mean, from last year
493
00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:09,170
when they did it to this year,
I've noticed it.
494
00:24:09,170 --> 00:24:10,970
It's better.
And actually as soon as you turn
495
00:24:10,970 --> 00:24:13,330
on the game, you're like, oh
wow, look at that.
496
00:24:13,330 --> 00:24:16,280
It just looks crisper.
The camera shots are much
497
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,400
better, they're on top of their,
you know, the replays and stuff
498
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,560
quicker.
So I don't know, maybe that's
499
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,520
where it's going to end up.
And they have all the resources
500
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,800
that throw at it too.
Yeah, that's fascinating, cuz
501
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,040
what's I think it's like 13 MLB
teams that were with Bally,
502
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:33,560
right?
Right.
503
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,120
And now already ones.
How many are off the list?
504
00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,560
One for sure.
Where did they lose the
505
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,800
contract?
Somewhere they did.
506
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,880
I can't think of what team it
was, but they don't have them on
507
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:43,800
anymore.
Yeah, I have no idea.
508
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,120
All I know the Brewers wish they
could get out of their contract.
509
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:50,600
You know that it's it's been
such a shit show like.
510
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:55,510
The The price is way too high.
Oh yeah, I totally agree.
511
00:24:55,630 --> 00:24:58,190
Way too high.
And then right when it started,
512
00:24:58,190 --> 00:25:00,550
I thought about doing it.
None of their tech worked.
513
00:25:00,990 --> 00:25:05,030
Like I couldn't get the like I
literally the the The week after
514
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:07,550
it went live, I tried to
download the ballet sports app
515
00:25:07,550 --> 00:25:11,270
and and set it up on my TV.
The app wouldn't work.
516
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:13,630
Like I couldn't watch the game.
So I was like, I'm gonna give
517
00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:16,870
you $20 and every month and
it's, yeah, not gonna and not
518
00:25:16,870 --> 00:25:19,190
count on seeing the game, yeah.
Right, so.
519
00:25:19,770 --> 00:25:22,290
I I just took a moral stand.
Good for you.
520
00:25:22,290 --> 00:25:22,650
Yeah.
Good for.
521
00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:25,650
You.
Well, I'm hoping that Bally's
522
00:25:25,650 --> 00:25:27,850
out.
Quite honestly, I just, I'd love
523
00:25:27,850 --> 00:25:30,050
someone else to take over.
I mean, they're people.
524
00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:32,570
I think whoever does take over,
I think the Bally, a lot of the
525
00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:34,530
Bally people will get hired
because they're not going to
526
00:25:34,530 --> 00:25:36,370
come.
Even if it was Apple TV, they're
527
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:39,250
not going to come into every
market and bring and hire all
528
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:41,130
new people to do all this stuff
anyway.
529
00:25:41,410 --> 00:25:43,730
It's just that they'll have
probably better equipment,
530
00:25:44,090 --> 00:25:46,490
better resources and use some of
the same people.
531
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:50,350
More defined leadership, yeah.
Yeah, hopefully an IT team that
532
00:25:50,350 --> 00:25:52,790
can make their stuff work.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
533
00:25:53,030 --> 00:25:55,350
Exactly.
Have there been like, are the
534
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:57,150
tech issues figured out?
Like, is it pretty reliable?
535
00:25:57,150 --> 00:25:58,990
Well, I don't watch it on the
app.
536
00:25:59,150 --> 00:26:04,190
We actually switch to DIRECTV so
we can watch.
537
00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:05,950
Yeah, we stop.
Yeah.
538
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:07,990
Don't come hang a dishes
everything you are in.
539
00:26:08,150 --> 00:26:12,670
We stop our YouTube, and then we
picked up YouTube a few years
540
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:16,460
ago just for the Brewers, and
then we ended up really liking
541
00:26:16,460 --> 00:26:17,620
it.
You know, of course, now
542
00:26:17,660 --> 00:26:20,100
everybody's prices are going up,
but we stop YouTube.
543
00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:22,820
We pick up DIRECTV for six
months during the baseball
544
00:26:22,820 --> 00:26:24,700
season.
Then we stop that.
545
00:26:24,940 --> 00:26:27,620
Go back to YouTube.
And now YouTube has Sunday
546
00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:30,300
Ticket.
They've got Sunday Ticket too.
547
00:26:30,340 --> 00:26:32,780
If you, if you.
I don't know more sports, I
548
00:26:32,780 --> 00:26:34,820
don't know if I don't know if I
need that.
549
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:38,220
Not sure how that'll go over at
home is.
550
00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:41,300
Chris, as big of a sports fan as
you are, she is actually.
551
00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,820
Yeah.
Maybe not quite as quite as
552
00:26:44,820 --> 00:26:47,740
fanatical as I am about it, but
she loves sports as much as I
553
00:26:47,740 --> 00:26:48,340
do.
Yeah.
554
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:51,860
Yeah, We'll be glued tonight.
We'll be watching the game at
555
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:55,540
six, and then it's 710 because
it'll probably be by then, the
556
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,460
after halftime, third quarter.
Who cares who's playing this
557
00:26:58,660 --> 00:26:59,300
channel?
We'll go to the.
558
00:26:59,380 --> 00:27:02,060
Yep, we'll go to the baseball
game and start watching that.
559
00:27:02,060 --> 00:27:06,380
So yeah.
Yeah, well, I mean, it's a.
560
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:08,930
That's awesome to be able to
then.
561
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:10,970
I mean, that keeps the
conversations in the household
562
00:27:10,970 --> 00:27:12,410
going too.
Like, we always have something
563
00:27:12,410 --> 00:27:13,450
to talk about.
Yeah, yeah.
564
00:27:13,770 --> 00:27:15,330
You know, when?
Explain about yellow.
565
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:18,850
Yeah, Yep, Yes, exactly.
Dang it.
566
00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:21,650
God, what the hell is wrong with
these guys?
567
00:27:21,650 --> 00:27:24,050
Yeah, yeah, we hear lots of
there's lots of shouting from
568
00:27:24,050 --> 00:27:26,050
our sun porch during Brewers
games lately.
569
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:30,220
So what?
What else says what?
570
00:27:30,220 --> 00:27:33,300
What else Is retirement
encompassed for you since you
571
00:27:33,300 --> 00:27:34,420
stopped?
Because it's what it's good
572
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:36,260
coming up on it?
No, it's over a year now, over a
573
00:27:36,260 --> 00:27:37,980
year.
June 1st was a year.
574
00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:40,700
Yeah, I can't believe it.
Probably it just a it flew by.
575
00:27:41,100 --> 00:27:43,700
It's it really bit.
It sucked.
576
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:47,060
You know, I just do what I want
when I want, how I want.
577
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:53,060
It's really, really overrated.
Not, You know, it's funny
578
00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,100
because when I run into people
that haven't seen for a while,
579
00:27:55,100 --> 00:27:57,260
they always say, well, how do
you like retirement?
580
00:27:58,140 --> 00:28:00,340
Like really serious, Like, well,
kind of like, well, how do you
581
00:28:00,340 --> 00:28:03,780
like retirement?
And I'll go, it's freaking
582
00:28:03,780 --> 00:28:05,500
awesome.
It's like the best thing that's
583
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:06,820
ever happened to me.
What do you mean how?
584
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:09,660
What's not to like?
I don't get And they say we know
585
00:28:09,660 --> 00:28:11,900
some people don't like it and
I'm like, well, then something's
586
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,820
wrong with them.
You know, they got bigger
587
00:28:13,820 --> 00:28:15,100
problems.
And then what?
588
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:16,900
Retirement brought.
They had a problem before
589
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:18,620
retirement.
If they don't like retirement,
590
00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:20,460
they need to figure that out,
you know.
591
00:28:21,420 --> 00:28:23,460
That's why I knew it was going
to be successful for you.
592
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:27,180
We had some conversations before
you retired and your frame of
593
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:30,180
mind about it going into it was
just in such a place of, like,
594
00:28:30,180 --> 00:28:32,300
positivity and love.
Like you were waiting.
595
00:28:32,380 --> 00:28:33,500
Yeah.
Oh, I was.
596
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:35,820
I kind of knew it was time.
When you'll know too.
597
00:28:35,820 --> 00:28:38,740
And down the way, down the line,
when it's time, you just know
598
00:28:39,020 --> 00:28:40,460
when it's time.
I mean, you've made career
599
00:28:40,460 --> 00:28:42,540
changes and you knew it was
time.
600
00:28:42,540 --> 00:28:46,220
And sometimes, you know, like we
kind of talked about with Aaron
601
00:28:46,220 --> 00:28:49,410
Rodgers, sometimes you were
ready, but it just doesn't
602
00:28:49,410 --> 00:28:51,770
happen on our time.
You got to kind of wait for
603
00:28:51,770 --> 00:28:54,570
certain things to fall into
place, but you're ready.
604
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:57,650
When they do, you're like, yes,
here we go, boom, just like
605
00:28:57,650 --> 00:28:58,890
that.
Yeah, but.
606
00:28:59,170 --> 00:29:01,210
I always found it.
And then, like, when people
607
00:29:01,210 --> 00:29:02,530
would ask you like, what are you
gonna do?
608
00:29:02,530 --> 00:29:04,490
And you're gonna pretty much
your answer was, what does it
609
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:06,690
matter?
Yeah, I'm gonna do whatever I
610
00:29:06,690 --> 00:29:07,810
want.
It's gonna be great.
611
00:29:07,810 --> 00:29:09,050
Yeah.
Everyone wants to know if you
612
00:29:09,050 --> 00:29:11,370
have like this big major plan
for your retirement, you're
613
00:29:11,370 --> 00:29:13,090
gonna travel, you're gonna do
this, you're gonna do that.
614
00:29:13,090 --> 00:29:16,530
And I'm like, I don't know, I
got to be retired for a while
615
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,600
first, you know, just let me
feel it and get into it for a
616
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:20,480
while.
And that's what I did.
617
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,720
I took about five months and
then I got a couple volunteer
618
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,960
gigs that I do.
I one of them is I'm a companion
619
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,600
sitter for unity Hospice, which
I really, really dig and I get a
620
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440
lot out of.
It's really, really.
621
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,560
That's such your style too.
I guarantee you're so good at
622
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,960
it.
Well, I hope I am.
623
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,280
Thank you.
But I really do enjoy it.
624
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,310
I it's like a privilege and
honor to be a part of the end of
625
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:47,710
someone's life on Earth, you
know?
626
00:29:47,710 --> 00:29:51,870
I mean it's like I sit there and
I'm like, wow, I'm I'm involved
627
00:29:51,870 --> 00:29:53,110
in this.
I didn't know this person
628
00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:56,590
before, but now I'm a part of
their end of life and trying to
629
00:29:56,910 --> 00:30:00,350
I keep that always in mind to
try to make sure it's as my part
630
00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:03,470
of it is as good as it can be or
whatever they need from me.
631
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:08,150
I try to give to them, you know.
And then I was, up until about a
632
00:30:08,150 --> 00:30:12,670
week ago, working as a volunteer
ombudsman for the Board on Aging
633
00:30:12,670 --> 00:30:15,270
and Longterm Care, which means
ombudsman.
634
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:19,670
I'd go into nursing homes,
longterm care units, you know,
635
00:30:19,670 --> 00:30:23,830
facilities all over here in
Brown County and visit with the
636
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:25,790
residents.
And just to make sure, take
637
00:30:25,790 --> 00:30:28,270
notes, make sure you know, like,
does it look clean?
638
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:30,990
Does it smell where it shouldn't
smell?
639
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:33,710
Holding people accountable,
Yeah.
640
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:36,510
And then I don't.
And that's the best part was I'm
641
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:38,470
a volunteer.
I never had to do anything about
642
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:40,830
it.
I just reported to someone and
643
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:44,270
then that was it.
Well, both those things together
644
00:30:44,270 --> 00:30:47,270
started to get to be a little
too much because I was spending
645
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:50,830
a lot of time because some of my
Hospice people are also in
646
00:30:50,830 --> 00:30:53,990
longterm care.
So it got to be kind of tough
647
00:30:53,990 --> 00:30:57,590
and I decided I wanted to give
one of them up and I decided the
648
00:30:57,590 --> 00:31:01,510
Hospice one meant a little more
to me than the other because
649
00:31:01,510 --> 00:31:04,950
Hospice I've wanted to do since
my my parents both died of
650
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:07,190
cancer and both used Hospice.
So it was something I always
651
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:09,750
wanted to do because it was so
helpful to our family.
652
00:31:11,470 --> 00:31:15,190
But now what I just did, which
I'm very excited about, is I
653
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:19,990
just signed up with the Life
Lifelong Learners Institute
654
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:25,070
through UW Green Bay and I you
can take for $150.00 if you're
655
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:26,790
55 or over.
I think it is.
656
00:31:27,810 --> 00:31:31,570
You can take up to 10 or 15
classes.
657
00:31:32,650 --> 00:31:35,530
Yeah, over semester.
So I signed up for 10.
658
00:31:35,530 --> 00:31:38,770
Now not all of them are classes
that meet over and over.
659
00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:43,090
Some of them are like a one off
tour or like hikes and county
660
00:31:43,090 --> 00:31:45,650
parks stuff like that.
But I did take one class.
661
00:31:45,650 --> 00:31:48,690
You'll be surprised by this.
Brad called current affairs.
662
00:31:49,690 --> 00:31:51,530
Yeah, who would have thought?
Who would have thought I'd do
663
00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:53,450
that?
We're going to be robust.
664
00:31:53,450 --> 00:31:57,970
Discussion in the class and it
said something like that robust.
665
00:31:59,730 --> 00:32:02,410
What was the word?
Respectful of each other
666
00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:06,170
Discussions, which will be hard
for me, but I'm up for it.
667
00:32:06,170 --> 00:32:07,610
No, not really.
Not really.
668
00:32:07,810 --> 00:32:10,090
You're really respectful.
You can be forceful and
669
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:11,610
respectful at the same time.
That's true.
670
00:32:11,610 --> 00:32:12,650
You're right.
You're right.
671
00:32:13,330 --> 00:32:17,050
So that starts in September.
All the different things I'm
672
00:32:17,050 --> 00:32:20,500
gonna take tours of like Civil
Hop, school, curative.
673
00:32:20,500 --> 00:32:22,740
I used to work at Civil Hop, but
it's so different now.
674
00:32:22,820 --> 00:32:27,100
I mean, it's been added on to
and I'm taking hikes through
675
00:32:27,100 --> 00:32:29,260
county parks on three different
occasions.
676
00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:34,460
I'm going to go to like Maribel
Caves one day with people.
677
00:32:34,460 --> 00:32:36,100
I mean, there's all these things
you can choose from.
678
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:39,060
It's really cool.
And then in spring semester you
679
00:32:39,060 --> 00:32:42,460
can choose from classes again.
So yeah, I didn't really know
680
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,380
that much about it until I
started talking to other
681
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:47,860
retirees and they talked about
it and like, what is that?
682
00:32:48,330 --> 00:32:51,930
And they told me and I was like,
I wanna do that, Absolutely.
683
00:32:52,130 --> 00:32:55,970
So I'm gonna do Hospice for my
heart and my soul, and I'm gonna
684
00:32:55,970 --> 00:33:00,730
do lifelong learning for my
brain and the rest of it.
685
00:33:01,490 --> 00:33:04,530
So I can still go out and be
somewhere and still be able to
686
00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:07,000
carry on conversations with
people.
687
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,040
Yeah, as opposed?
Well, you melt into the people
688
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600
because your brain is a little
mushy after a while, yeah.
689
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,600
Well, and that's two pretty
heavy things too, right?
690
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,360
But that you know, that's such a
natural progression because that
691
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,800
probably scratches some of the
itch that some of your career
692
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,360
passions lived in like you were.
You were a career helper in
693
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,680
several different ways.
So like being able to do that of
694
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,480
your own volition and time and
energy.
695
00:33:34,050 --> 00:33:38,250
Making your decisions such A and
that's it, that's you hit it.
696
00:33:38,250 --> 00:33:40,330
That's it.
It's like on your time and in
697
00:33:40,330 --> 00:33:42,890
your way, you know with Hospice,
it's such a great volunteer job,
698
00:33:43,010 --> 00:33:46,570
not only because it's enriching
and fulfilling, but I can do it
699
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:49,290
on my time.
I mean the people that I see, I
700
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:53,690
have two of them right now.
I can, I have to, you know, I
701
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:55,290
don't have to.
I mean, but that's the
702
00:33:55,290 --> 00:33:57,650
requirement to see each of them
once a week.
703
00:33:57,930 --> 00:34:00,770
But it doesn't have to be at a
certain time or a certain day.
704
00:34:01,410 --> 00:34:04,970
I go when I can go, you know, so
I don't have to.
705
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:08,530
I don't have any set routine
where I have to be here every
706
00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:11,929
Monday at 2:00 because that's
one thing I wanted to avoid at
707
00:34:11,929 --> 00:34:14,210
all costs.
Now, I did sign up for a class
708
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:17,370
where I have to be there for two
hours every other Tuesday, But
709
00:34:17,370 --> 00:34:21,530
now after a year, over a year
being retired, I'm not going to
710
00:34:21,530 --> 00:34:24,409
mind that so much, right?
Yeah.
711
00:34:24,570 --> 00:34:25,770
Yeah, you got me on the
calendar.
712
00:34:25,770 --> 00:34:27,130
I felt pretty important.
You.
713
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:28,330
Yeah.
You've been on there for a
714
00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:29,489
while.
And big letters too.
715
00:34:29,489 --> 00:34:30,690
I should have took a picture of
it.
716
00:34:31,179 --> 00:34:33,420
I what's in my phone of course,
but I have it on.
717
00:34:33,420 --> 00:34:35,860
We have one in our kitchen still
that hangs on the wall so that
718
00:34:35,860 --> 00:34:37,780
we both can see each other's
stuff.
719
00:34:39,300 --> 00:34:41,540
And it's actually takes up the
whole day because I wrote it so
720
00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:43,460
big.
So if Chris had anything going
721
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:44,620
on, she couldn't fit it in
there.
722
00:34:44,620 --> 00:34:50,260
Because I wrote podcast at
Brad's home 130 and really Big
723
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:53,860
Letters takes up the whole
square and put a star little
724
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:55,600
star by it.
I love it.
725
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,200
We do the same.
I think everybody has the fridge
726
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,200
calendar right now.
Yeah.
727
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,520
I don't know.
I grew up with it.
728
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,360
It's just something about it.
I don't know.
729
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,120
It's comforting, I guess.
Yeah.
730
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:10,200
In the volunteer Hospice thing,
I have to assume like a
731
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,600
different range of outcomes
comes from that, right?
732
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,000
Like what if the how have the
interactions differed?
733
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,550
Have you had anybody that like?
Was completely aloof and didn't
734
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:22,830
want you there or the complete
opposite, and ended up like
735
00:35:22,830 --> 00:35:25,750
kindred spirits.
Probably a little of both, Yeah.
736
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:31,230
I had a woman who who was just
on the other side of becoming
737
00:35:31,230 --> 00:35:34,590
nonverbal, who when I first she
was in a longterm care unit, and
738
00:35:34,590 --> 00:35:38,550
I can't say too many details
about the people, but she didn't
739
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:43,750
really want me to be there.
So you know what?
740
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:46,470
The first two times I came, I
did most of the talking and just
741
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:49,760
tried to keep it low key.
And sooner or later she we, she
742
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:56,840
started warming up to me and we
we got to be really pretty
743
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,880
close.
And because her family she had a
744
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,680
couple kids but or or so and I
like that's probably I shouldn't
745
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,600
even say that they couldn't be
there as much as maybe she would
746
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,680
have liked because they were
working, you know.
747
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,410
But she became nonverbal.
But we were able then to
748
00:36:16,410 --> 00:36:20,570
communicate just with our eyes
and I could kind of know like
749
00:36:20,570 --> 00:36:24,130
what she was thinking.
So I'd say, do you want me to do
750
00:36:24,130 --> 00:36:26,130
this?
Would you like me to do that?
751
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:28,810
Is this what you want?
Would you like me to, you know
752
00:36:28,810 --> 00:36:31,090
tickle your neck.
Would you like me to rub your
753
00:36:31,090 --> 00:36:33,210
arm.
Would you like me to comb your
754
00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:35,250
hair?
You know stuff like that.
755
00:36:35,570 --> 00:36:41,050
So that was really cool.
And I've also had a couple
756
00:36:41,050 --> 00:36:44,970
people that, you know, had
pretty severe dementia.
757
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:47,770
And those are the really
challenging ones.
758
00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:52,810
But I really enjoy it because in
any given moment you can be you,
759
00:36:52,810 --> 00:36:56,570
you can be somebody different to
them because some of them will
760
00:36:56,570 --> 00:37:00,690
go from they, you know, 95 years
old thinking they're waiting for
761
00:37:00,690 --> 00:37:03,210
their mom and dad to pick them
up from wherever they think they
762
00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:08,230
are to talking about their
daughter, that they know they
763
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:10,350
have a daughter.
So it goes.
764
00:37:10,510 --> 00:37:13,150
And then sometimes, like, not
knowing who I am, but they
765
00:37:13,150 --> 00:37:15,550
recognize my face because I've
come so long.
766
00:37:15,550 --> 00:37:18,710
Now the one guy I have this,
we're going into seven months.
767
00:37:19,310 --> 00:37:21,830
So and I just, you know, this
one's going to that.
768
00:37:21,830 --> 00:37:23,470
That one's going to get me a
little bit.
769
00:37:23,470 --> 00:37:25,230
I know that.
That's the hardest part of this
770
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:28,470
is you do my next question, you
do get my very first person I
771
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:30,830
only saw once and then that was
it.
772
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:34,970
But after that, I've had some
longer term.
773
00:37:35,090 --> 00:37:37,450
The people I'm seeing now, I've
seen one for six months and the
774
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:40,050
other for seven.
So those two are going to be a
775
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:42,810
little tougher on me.
You know, that's the tough part
776
00:37:42,810 --> 00:37:44,130
of it.
I mean, there's only one outcome
777
00:37:44,130 --> 00:37:45,810
here.
We we're all going to have the
778
00:37:45,810 --> 00:37:47,130
same one, right?
Yeah.
779
00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:52,130
Nobody gets out alive.
But I don't know.
780
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:55,530
I just, you know, if there's if
there's ever something, if
781
00:37:55,530 --> 00:37:58,530
anybody's listening that have
has ever thought about it and
782
00:37:58,530 --> 00:38:01,130
you don't have to be retired to
do it, it could be something.
783
00:38:01,130 --> 00:38:04,180
There's all kinds of things that
Hospice needs help with, but it
784
00:38:04,180 --> 00:38:06,700
could be a thing where maybe you
do it for someone who only wants
785
00:38:06,700 --> 00:38:09,900
someone to visit on a weekend or
at night.
786
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:11,900
I mean, you have a young child
and all that.
787
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,540
Not you, but other people that
maybe are looking for a little
788
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:17,860
something that they could do
that would make them feel good
789
00:38:17,860 --> 00:38:21,180
and would be really super
helpful to people going through
790
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:23,500
it.
Because everybody that has a,
791
00:38:23,940 --> 00:38:25,740
you know, now cancer is affected
almost.
792
00:38:25,740 --> 00:38:27,980
And it's not just cancer, it's
all kinds of illnesses.
793
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:34,900
I mean, congestive heart
failure, cancer, Lou Gehrig's
794
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,580
disease, all of these
Parkinson's, all of this stuff,
795
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:40,140
all.
I mean, I've had a little bit of
796
00:38:40,660 --> 00:38:46,020
all of these.
It's you just need a break.
797
00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:48,740
The family needs a break.
Once in a while you have to get
798
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:52,180
away from it.
So you just, it's just a really
799
00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:55,180
great thing you can do, even if
it's just for an hour that you
800
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:57,940
give this person a break to
either go shopping or just go
801
00:38:57,940 --> 00:39:01,920
get a cup of coffee, go with a
friend, go in the room and take
802
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
a nap, go down in the basement
and cry.
803
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,840
Whatever they need to do and
can't do, you know, because
804
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,600
they're grieving and trying to
take care of this person at the
805
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,280
same time.
But.
806
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:18,560
And by that scenario comes by
the time that comes the the hope
807
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,640
is gone usually.
Yeah, I mean some people
808
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,320
actually, they just came out
with the study.
809
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Some people actually live longer
once they get in Hospice.
810
00:39:28,830 --> 00:39:31,550
You know, usually Hospice is,
doctor says you can go into
811
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:34,390
Hospice.
When they say a doctor says and
812
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:38,150
signs a sheet of paper that says
you chances are it's going to be
813
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:42,470
six months or less.
You know that you are, the
814
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:45,310
morbidity is it's coming, you
know you're going to die.
815
00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:52,030
There's no options, right?
But some people have gone up to
816
00:39:52,030 --> 00:39:56,750
a year in Hospice, you know,
especially some people have gone
817
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:59,870
into Hospice and then gone back
to palliative care because they
818
00:39:59,870 --> 00:40:02,910
got better, like a little better
where they're like, well, I
819
00:40:02,910 --> 00:40:04,950
don't, you know, I think we need
to put them back into a
820
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:07,550
different program now where
they're just getting, you know,
821
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:09,710
care, but they don't need to be
in Hospice right now.
822
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:14,270
So it's it's real interesting
and I think especially people
823
00:40:14,270 --> 00:40:17,190
that are lonely and don't have a
lot of family, once they get
824
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:20,830
that attention and all the care
that they get from Hospice, they
825
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,740
do start to improve.
It's amazing.
826
00:40:23,820 --> 00:40:31,180
The mind is a wild thing, wild
thing, just how we respond to
827
00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:34,780
not only different scenarios
that we find ourselves in, but
828
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:40,740
like the different kind of
actions and involvements that
829
00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:45,740
come with those and how we like
respond to those things
830
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:48,670
differently, even like.
You know, you read some of the
831
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:52,230
studies about the like the work
that they're doing between
832
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:54,910
psilocybin and dementia and the
differences.
833
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:59,830
That can be made and stuff it's
it's it's too bad that some of
834
00:40:59,830 --> 00:41:03,070
that stuff hasn't been able to
be explored for a little while
835
00:41:03,630 --> 00:41:07,150
just because of that reason.
Like how our brain reacts to
836
00:41:07,150 --> 00:41:11,350
things that aren't whatever you
want to call them that aren't
837
00:41:11,870 --> 00:41:15,570
physical or aren't like.
Doctoral.
838
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:16,490
Right.
Right.
839
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:19,570
That aren't part of our wiring.
I mean that we that you can see
840
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:22,290
that are part of it but not the
stuff you can see.
841
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:25,370
You know the amygdala and the
this and the that in your brain
842
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:29,210
the ponds, the and all the parts
I learned in biology one time I
843
00:41:29,210 --> 00:41:30,650
can't remember.
I don't even know if those, if
844
00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:32,050
those are part of that.
There might be something else
845
00:41:32,050 --> 00:41:33,850
I'm talking about.
Maybe that's parts of the
846
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:35,210
kidney, I don't know.
But the only.
847
00:41:35,330 --> 00:41:38,610
Thing I know is from is from the
water boy.
848
00:41:38,650 --> 00:41:41,250
The medulla oblonga.
There you go.
849
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:42,450
Oblongata.
That's it.
850
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:43,450
Yep.
Yep.
851
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:45,420
That's a pretty important part,
actually.
852
00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:49,060
Yeah.
It's it's, you know, amazing.
853
00:41:49,060 --> 00:41:52,020
I mean, it's just, you know, I
sit there and this person is
854
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:58,460
going from, you know, 50 years
ago to current to 30 years ago
855
00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:02,140
to even more years ago.
You know, talking about World
856
00:42:02,140 --> 00:42:06,740
War 2, talking about this,
talking about that and then also
857
00:42:07,100 --> 00:42:10,800
kind of being a little bit in
today, you know, it's just like
858
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,160
wow.
But you know, I have to tell you
859
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,240
the one thing that I hear over
and over and over from all those
860
00:42:15,240 --> 00:42:18,280
patients so far has been I, I
want to go home.
861
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,360
Every one of them says I want to
go home.
862
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,920
You know, and I, you know, I
always say you will, you will go
863
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,360
home.
You're going to go home, I
864
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,120
promise you.
Because they are, you know,
865
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,880
they're going to go to a
different home, not the one they
866
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,360
lived in, but they are going to
go home or somewhere.
867
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:39,470
You know they're not going to be
there in that situation forever.
868
00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:41,230
They're gonna see what's on the
other side of the line.
869
00:42:41,390 --> 00:42:45,190
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's probably not
870
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:47,030
surprising, right?
It's like it's a I think it's
871
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:50,270
everybody's ultimate sanctuary
when it eventually comes our
872
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:53,550
time knocking on the door.
You hope that it's in a place
873
00:42:53,550 --> 00:42:54,950
that you're comfortable and
that's home.
874
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:56,030
Yep.
Generally.
875
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:58,870
So that's probably par for the
course.
876
00:42:58,990 --> 00:43:01,750
Yeah, that's heavy stuff.
And you can do that for what?
877
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:03,070
Six months?
No, don't be.
878
00:43:03,150 --> 00:43:04,910
Sorry.
Actually about nine months now.
879
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:07,440
I've been doing it nine months.
Yep, Yep.
880
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,560
It's just, you know, like I had
a training and you go through a
881
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,720
training and all that because
they give you a chance to kind
882
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,120
of find out, do you really think
this is going to be something
883
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,400
that you're going to be
comfortable with?
884
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,920
So they, you know, you go
through a lot of stuff and
885
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,640
training and they tell you a lot
of things because it's not for
886
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,600
everybody, you know?
I mean, you can't sit there and
887
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,360
burst into tears when you're
sitting with someone or you
888
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,040
know, and it's it.
It takes a lot of patience,
889
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,210
especially when you're with the
people you know, like when you
890
00:43:36,210 --> 00:43:38,690
ask them questions and all they
say is, I don't know, you know,
891
00:43:38,970 --> 00:43:40,210
because they don't.
I don't know.
892
00:43:40,210 --> 00:43:41,650
What did you do last week?
I don't know.
893
00:43:42,010 --> 00:43:43,730
You know, what'd you do this
morning?
894
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:46,290
Did you eat breakfast?
I don't know because they really
895
00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:49,610
don't, you know.
So you have to really be able to
896
00:43:49,610 --> 00:43:53,490
carry on sometimes onesided
conversations, you know, but
897
00:43:53,490 --> 00:43:55,090
still connecting with the
person.
898
00:43:55,090 --> 00:43:57,890
So I've been learning a lot.
I'm not saying I was really good
899
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:01,130
at it to start.
I mean, I've learned a lot and
900
00:44:01,130 --> 00:44:03,730
I'm still learning, you know,
still learning.
901
00:44:04,070 --> 00:44:07,710
It's such a it's it's a thing
that I think we're all wired for
902
00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:11,590
but not repeatedly right is it's
like a place we dig to probably,
903
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:15,110
but they probably reveled in, in
your background for somebody
904
00:44:15,110 --> 00:44:17,270
that would want to do that just
because of the things you've
905
00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:18,870
done, you had kind of a step
forward.
906
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:21,510
I think it did help me, really
when they looked at my
907
00:44:21,630 --> 00:44:26,150
application and I got hooked up
through to both of those through
908
00:44:26,790 --> 00:44:33,360
a volunteer Expo that they had
at the rash last October in the
909
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,040
new in the new rush, whatever
it's called Expo whatever rush.
910
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,520
Everything's a rush something,
you know.
911
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,320
Yeah.
Did did the Russian sponsor
912
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:42,520
this.
It's all right here.
913
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:43,920
It's in the big building by
Lambo.
914
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,960
No, we're actually gonna bleep
that out until they pay the
915
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,120
sponsorship fee.
Oh, OK.
916
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,880
Sorry.
No, I'll pay.
917
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,760
I'll sponsor this piece of wood
right here.
918
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,320
Sweet.
You can write your name on it
919
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,640
that Kathy.
How cool of an idea would that
920
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,480
be to have everybody that comes
in writes their?
921
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,200
Name everybody that comes in
right on the wall.
922
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,400
Wow, I've been here.
I'm here during a revelation.
923
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,520
That is, I might have to
explain.
924
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:11,200
Look at the Big Brain on you
today.
925
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
No, you came over.
Notice I said today, Today.
926
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,290
Today on the fire.
Kidding.
927
00:45:17,490 --> 00:45:19,530
You know I love you.
Yeah, you too.
928
00:45:19,730 --> 00:45:21,090
It's so good to see you.
You too.
929
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:23,490
But you just look so fresh
faced.
930
00:45:23,490 --> 00:45:24,690
I like it though.
It's OK.
931
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:28,090
But you know I like the beard.
So are you gonna grow it for
932
00:45:28,090 --> 00:45:29,010
hunting or not?
I.
933
00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:29,930
Don't know.
We'll see.
934
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:32,930
I never did it specifically for
hunting, that's true.
935
00:45:32,930 --> 00:45:34,890
You never did.
You always had beards like off
936
00:45:34,890 --> 00:45:36,870
and on.
Like one day you'd come in and
937
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:38,870
be there, the next day I'd be
finally.
938
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:40,430
At the end of the day, I'd look
at you and think, what is
939
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:41,190
different?
My God?
940
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:42,910
He shaved his.
Beard off, You wanna know what
941
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:44,990
one of the main deciding factors
is?
942
00:45:45,070 --> 00:45:47,430
Is humidity, surprisingly or
not?
943
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:51,190
Because when you shave when it's
humid, you get razor burn a lot
944
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:55,070
easier.
So it's kind of like a cliche
945
00:45:55,070 --> 00:45:58,110
thing that people grow beards in
the winter and then shave in the
946
00:45:58,110 --> 00:46:00,040
summer.
If you noticed, I was always
947
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,760
kind of opposite you were.
I would be clean shaven in the
948
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,240
winter and shaving or not
shaving in the summer.
949
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:07,680
Yeah, cuz I don't love shaving
in the summer cuz it's always
950
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,080
humid here like we live in.
I don't either.
951
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,760
Look at these.
Legs, look at those things.
952
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,160
I mean, we live in the humid
capital of the world and it's
953
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,280
like today is.
I mean, the dew point today is
954
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,700
like 68, even though it's only
what, 70 some degrees out.
955
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:27,260
It's cool, but it's still very
thick and sticky out there.
956
00:46:27,420 --> 00:46:32,260
Yeah, I am not a fan of humidity
at all. 00 fan, Yeah, Although
957
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:35,220
I've lived in it all my life.
What's that about it?
958
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:38,740
Yeah, I hate it.
But I've lived here my entire
959
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:42,700
lifetime, you know, I had plenty
of chances to move away, but it
960
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:44,780
really means I really do love
it.
961
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:46,750
I love the changing season.
You moved.
962
00:46:46,750 --> 00:46:55,510
Some when you were young, right?
My first one was in Blue Earth,
963
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:59,310
MN, my hometown at a little am
station.
964
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:50,990
Like you kind of moved around
the like, where were your first
965
00:46:51,070 --> 00:46:52,070
radio gigs?
They were.
966
00:46:52,070 --> 00:47:01,070
They weren't here, right?
BEW Blue Earth.
967
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:05,830
That's I remember that that
that's such an interesting like
968
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:09,030
like motto or like call sign.
What do you call that?
969
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:10,710
The station?
The Earth so rich the city
970
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:12,630
grows?
Is that what they said?
971
00:47:12,630 --> 00:47:13,270
Yeah.
Nice.
972
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:14,070
Yeah.
Yeah.
973
00:47:14,070 --> 00:47:17,990
It's not true, though, is it?
Still, the population has gone
974
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:19,990
down quite a bit since Walmart
left town.
975
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:22,750
Ooh, Is it still near?
Yes, it is.
976
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:25,830
AM 1560, I believe.
Okay.
977
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:26,990
Yeah.
I can't believe I just
978
00:47:26,990 --> 00:47:27,830
remembered that.
Wow.
979
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:29,670
I think that's it.
So that was your first one.
980
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:31,710
That was my first gig.
That's where I learned radio.
981
00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:34,190
Actually.
I never went to radio school.
982
00:47:34,670 --> 00:47:38,280
I got a job there as a
receptionist after I dropped out
983
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,600
of college.
Another whole story for another
984
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:47,840
podcast and and I did.
I worked as a receptionist.
985
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,040
Pretty soon they had an opening
on Sunday afternoons on the big
986
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,280
band show.
Asked me if I'd want to try it.
987
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,040
I said sure, I'll give it a try.
Did that started.
988
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:00,200
They let me start talking on the
air a little bit, lots of
989
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,920
mentoring along the way.
And then at some point our
990
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:09,100
afternoon drive guy left and to
go be a stuntman and they asked
991
00:48:09,100 --> 00:48:10,980
if I was interested and I said
sure.
992
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:13,100
And so that's sort of.
And then also during all that
993
00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:18,660
time I also had to write news, I
had to give news, I had to sell
994
00:48:18,660 --> 00:48:21,780
radio ads, I had to do a little
bit of everything because you
995
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:26,700
know it's a tiny 3000, you know,
3200 people town, county seat.
996
00:48:26,940 --> 00:48:28,660
So that's where the radio
station was.
997
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:32,820
You know, I mean I had to read
markets, you know, pork bellies,
998
00:48:32,820 --> 00:48:36,020
up 24 live cattle, feeder
cattle, all of that stuff.
999
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:38,530
I did all of it, a little bit of
everything.
1000
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:40,370
So I really and I did that for 2
1/2 years.
1001
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:42,530
So I really think of that as
that was my school.
1002
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:44,930
And then from there I went to
St.
1003
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:48,330
James, MN and had my own morning
show at a brand new radio
1004
00:48:48,330 --> 00:48:52,010
station that they started there.
And from there I went to Mason
1005
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:54,410
City, IA he.
Started at a brand new stick.
1006
00:48:54,410 --> 00:48:57,490
That would be a yeah, it was.
Well, the guy was a nut case
1007
00:48:57,490 --> 00:49:00,570
that owned it, so it was really
effed up along the way.
1008
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:04,290
I mean, it was a cluster, it
really was.
1009
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:07,590
But you know, I got paid.
So and then the guy who owned
1010
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:10,510
the station that I started out
of my home hometown, Paul
1011
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:13,910
Hedberg, who was a big name in
radio in Minnesota, owned
1012
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:16,910
stations in Iowa.
And he called me up one day and
1013
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:20,150
said, hey, I just bought some
station in Mason City, IA.
1014
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:23,510
Would you be interested?
And I so badly wanted to get out
1015
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:29,710
of Saint James because of other
things that I jumped at it.
1016
00:49:30,110 --> 00:49:35,230
So I went out to Mason City, IA
and worked there 2 1/2 years and
1017
00:49:36,250 --> 00:49:38,810
and then ended up.
It's another story.
1018
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:41,810
I won't, I don't even want to go
into that right now, but I ended
1019
00:49:41,810 --> 00:49:45,810
up in Green Bay from there.
OK, let me just say this.
1020
00:49:46,650 --> 00:49:50,930
I met someone at a circus that
was going through town, and that
1021
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:56,690
someone was from this area and
ended up bringing a tape of mine
1022
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:59,290
to people at Midwest
Broadcasting.
1023
00:49:59,890 --> 00:50:03,890
And they called and said, you
know, I came here.
1024
00:50:03,890 --> 00:50:06,770
So I never visited Green Bay.
I just took the job without ever
1025
00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:09,970
coming here.
And then I came to Green Bay in
1026
00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:13,810
1986 and that was the end of it.
Yeah, I thought for sure I was
1027
00:50:13,810 --> 00:50:16,370
just going to be a stop along
the way because my my goal at
1028
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:19,610
that time in radio of course,
was to work in a major market
1029
00:50:19,610 --> 00:50:23,360
because that's what most people
want to want to do and.
1030
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,840
Green Bay is a great stepping.
It is, I mean for everybody, for
1031
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,920
TV, you see it all the time.
All these TV reporters, the good
1032
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,080
ones are gone within 345, six
months.
1033
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:37,240
You know, I had a couple
opportunities like in Milwaukee
1034
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:39,800
and Chicago, but most of them
for like were for like traffic
1035
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
reporting, you know, and I was
like, no, I don't want it.
1036
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,080
I don't want to do that and but
I ended up calling Green Bay
1037
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,720
home and I've been here ever
since.
1038
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:52,360
Yeah, by the time you came here,
your air checks had to be
1039
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,120
phenomenal.
Like I yeah, I, you know, I
1040
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,440
listened back to him now.
And I, if I even have one, I
1041
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,960
have in the past, listened to
old cassettes and I just cringed
1042
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,360
when I listened to it.
But it's too.
1043
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,120
Far ago, yeah.
Yeah, I kind.
1044
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Of got the time they were
probably killer.
1045
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Well, for the time, probably
because there weren't a lot of
1046
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,280
women in radio at that time.
There just weren't a lot of
1047
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,200
them.
And any women that were in radio
1048
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
usually got out as soon as they
started having kids and that
1049
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,920
kind of thing.
So yeah.
1050
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,760
Yeah, it definitely is a good
old boys club at that time,
1051
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,120
right?
Absolutely.
1052
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,920
Absolutely.
It was, yeah.
1053
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,400
I had to play the game, yeah,
the whole way, the whole way.
1054
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Even when I was after I was
here.
1055
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,720
I did a little bit too.
Yeah, quite a bit.
1056
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,360
So how did that, how did that
work along the way?
1057
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,600
Like when were you out that
whole time?
1058
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:41,360
Did everyone know you were gay
at that time?
1059
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:47,120
And like, well, not in Saint.
You know, actually in in Blue
1060
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,480
Earth, my hometown, they did
not.
1061
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:49,800
There was only certain people
that did.
1062
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120
I mean, I was not out.
I wasn't even accepting of
1063
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,880
myself at that time.
I was still jumping back and
1064
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,240
forth.
Yeah, a little bit.
1065
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,160
And then once I got to Green Bay
in Saint James, I had a
1066
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,000
girlfriend and a lot of and most
people knew about it.
1067
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
It was a small town, too.
And it did.
1068
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,360
I think, you know, it didn't go
over well with a lot of people
1069
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,420
there.
And then once I came to Green
1070
00:52:13,420 --> 00:52:17,220
Bay, I really started to that's
when I actually came out to my
1071
00:52:17,220 --> 00:52:23,140
parents and and everything.
So but on the air, everyone at
1072
00:52:23,140 --> 00:52:27,140
the station knew, you know, who
I worked with for the most part.
1073
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:29,860
After a while it took a while.
You know, I had to go through
1074
00:52:29,860 --> 00:52:34,100
the whole getting asked out and
you know, having to get out of
1075
00:52:34,100 --> 00:52:38,910
it every time and going out to
events with listeners and, you
1076
00:52:38,910 --> 00:52:40,390
know, saying, oh, I'm going to
go to the bathroom and then
1077
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:46,870
never come back.
Why does Kathy never come back
1078
00:52:46,870 --> 00:52:49,430
when she says she's going to the
bathroom and they and the guys
1079
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:53,670
would just go, oh dude.
Or they'd say Kathy went to the
1080
00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:56,110
bathroom like 10 minutes ago and
they'd say, dude, she's not
1081
00:52:56,110 --> 00:52:57,910
coming back.
Not for you.
1082
00:52:57,910 --> 00:53:01,790
Not coming back for you.
So you know, it was hard, I have
1083
00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:05,550
to say because I did not like
and it wasn't like I was
1084
00:53:05,550 --> 00:53:09,570
pretending anything, but I
didn't like not being totally
1085
00:53:09,570 --> 00:53:13,810
who I was on the air.
And that's part of the reason I,
1086
00:53:14,370 --> 00:53:16,890
it was a little, probably more
of a bigger part of the reason I
1087
00:53:16,890 --> 00:53:20,010
got off radio than anything was
I just didn't want to keep
1088
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:24,650
pretend, not pretending.
I don't even know what to say.
1089
00:53:24,770 --> 00:53:30,130
Just, you know, like lying by
omission kind of, yeah.
1090
00:53:30,130 --> 00:53:33,210
You know, and and there is
actually a lot of people in the
1091
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:36,730
in the L GB, TQ community who
weren't very happy with me.
1092
00:53:37,940 --> 00:53:41,980
I'd get if I was out at a gay
bar, especially in my 30s,
1093
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:44,620
people would get after me once
in a while and just say, well,
1094
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:46,900
we don't listen because, you
know, you don't ever say
1095
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,540
anything about your girlfriend
or your your lifestyle and blah,
1096
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:54,020
blah, blah.
And I'd be like, hey, this is my
1097
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:56,100
living.
I'm the one I I'm trying to make
1098
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:58,060
a living.
I have to do what I have to do,
1099
00:53:58,580 --> 00:54:01,460
you know, to make a living.
And, you know, if you were in my
1100
00:54:01,460 --> 00:54:04,140
shoes, do you know, Are you sure
you wouldn't do the same thing,
1101
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:06,870
which would always make them
think a little bit, but most of
1102
00:54:06,870 --> 00:54:09,230
them were people that were so
out that they probably were out
1103
00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:12,070
when they got were born, you
know, So at that time.
1104
00:54:12,070 --> 00:54:14,670
But it was hard.
I wish if I could go back and do
1105
00:54:14,670 --> 00:54:18,550
it over, I wished I would have
done it differently and I guess
1106
00:54:18,550 --> 00:54:21,230
just say consequences be damned,
you know.
1107
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:25,190
If I couldn't work in radio
because of that, then I would
1108
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:27,550
have found something else to do.
That's so easy to say, though,
1109
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:28,870
when you get to a place of
comfort.
1110
00:54:28,990 --> 00:54:31,430
Well, right, I can see it now.
I mean, because I wasn't.
1111
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:35,530
I mean, it took me a long time
to accept my own gayness, you
1112
00:54:35,530 --> 00:54:38,850
know, to be okay with it because
like, I've always told people
1113
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:42,690
who wants to, you know,
especially then, but now it's
1114
00:54:42,690 --> 00:54:46,450
probably even more so.
Not just the gays, but people
1115
00:54:46,450 --> 00:54:49,730
that are trans that are going
through all of, like we did 30
1116
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:54,250
years ago or 20 years ago where
why would you wake up one day
1117
00:54:54,250 --> 00:54:58,410
and go, hey, I think I'll be a
social pariah and have to hide
1118
00:54:58,410 --> 00:55:01,490
most of my life and not talk
about things like other people
1119
00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:04,170
do because they might not like
me and maybe even maybe
1120
00:55:04,170 --> 00:55:08,130
physically wanting to hurt me
or, you know, leave me out of
1121
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:09,690
things.
Yeah, that sounds like a great
1122
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:12,330
way to spend my lifetime.
You know, like I always tell
1123
00:55:12,330 --> 00:55:17,090
people it is not a choice.
Yes, nowadays people can make
1124
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:18,650
those kind of choices and do
they?
1125
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:21,570
There's fluidity, there's all
this stuff, you know?
1126
00:55:22,170 --> 00:55:25,130
But then you didn't just say, I
think, you know what?
1127
00:55:25,930 --> 00:55:29,090
You didn't piss me off.
I'm going to be gay for maybe a
1128
00:55:29,090 --> 00:55:31,730
couple months.
I mean, yeah, anybody can do
1129
00:55:31,730 --> 00:55:36,570
that, but it's not how it works.
You know, I think I knew I was
1130
00:55:36,570 --> 00:55:39,370
gay when I was a little kid.
I just didn't know what it was.
1131
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:42,130
I didn't know what to call it.
Actually, as a teenager, I
1132
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:46,210
thought I was maybe nutty crazy
because of my feelings, because
1133
00:55:46,210 --> 00:55:50,210
nobody talked about that stuff
in a small town in the mid 70s,
1134
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:52,770
early 70s.
And anytime you heard something
1135
00:55:52,770 --> 00:55:57,990
about gay people was always very
derogatory, you know, like all
1136
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:59,870
those dikes, you know, blah,
blah, blah.
1137
00:55:59,870 --> 00:56:02,230
And and then I'd see those
people and I think, well, I
1138
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:05,870
don't look like them.
I don't dress like them, so I
1139
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:07,870
must not be like them.
So what's wrong with me?
1140
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:13,630
You know, so it was, it was, it
was not a great fun time for the
1141
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:18,710
1st 10 to 15 years when I was
coming into it, you know, not
1142
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:19,990
that I didn't have fun because I
did.
1143
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:22,990
I had a lot of fun.
But mentally it was a struggle.
1144
00:56:23,110 --> 00:56:27,480
You know, I think it's, I think
it's a lot behind.
1145
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,360
I really think it's a lot.
Not because, well, I've had
1146
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,160
Melanoma twice, Stage 4 this the
last time.
1147
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,800
And I think my cancer, not only
because I was, you know, a
1148
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,080
redhead and had a predispition
towards it, but also because of
1149
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,440
the stress that I had in my
life.
1150
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,080
Because when you're gay or
anything different, black,
1151
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:49,640
brown, all of it, you know.
When you're ever not the
1152
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:53,360
societal norm, you walk around
with a level of stress.
1153
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,720
Every single day.
Every single day you have a
1154
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:01,400
level of stress.
Especially when in areas of
1155
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:05,320
perceived or potential
discomfort where right.
1156
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:09,960
You like add that all of that
that you just said on top of
1157
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,750
being like.
Ending up in a career where
1158
00:57:12,750 --> 00:57:14,550
you're a public figure because
you're good at it?
1159
00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:17,030
Absolutely.
So that's an added amount.
1160
00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:21,310
And then on top of being a
public figure, you're in a place
1161
00:57:21,310 --> 00:57:23,270
that's been ruled by the good
old boys club.
1162
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:25,710
Yep.
Like, talk about a trifecta of
1163
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:27,310
just tough things.
Yeah.
1164
00:57:27,310 --> 00:57:28,990
And you know how I did it?
No.
1165
00:57:29,310 --> 00:57:32,510
I drank a lot.
Yeah, I drank a lot.
1166
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:37,910
You know, too much, really, at
times.
1167
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:39,270
And.
But it was really what got me
1168
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:43,280
through.
And I don't advise that as a way
1169
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,000
to deal with things.
Absolutely not.
1170
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,400
But but yeah, it was.
It wasn't real fun.
1171
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Yeah, Because that's exactly
what it was.
1172
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,440
Because I loved my job and I
didn't.
1173
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,040
I was so afraid of being who I
was on the air because
1174
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,760
especially in southern
Minnesota, Northern Iowa, I
1175
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,520
mean, and then, you know, Brown
County, Green Bay, WI, we we
1176
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,320
know what it's like.
I mean, it's not as conservative
1177
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:12,790
as it once was, but it's still
pretty conservative, you know, I
1178
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:14,630
mean, just look at elections and
stuff.
1179
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:17,470
You see, it's still there.
It's still, there's a pretty
1180
00:58:17,470 --> 00:58:21,110
strong conservativism.
Conservativism.
1181
00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:25,310
Wow, I can't even say it that,
you know, is there.
1182
00:58:25,550 --> 00:58:27,150
So yeah, you get a little
nervous now.
1183
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,080
Now I'm at such a point of
comfort in my life.
1184
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,120
Like I am who I am, who I am,
you know, and it wants my
1185
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,800
spinach.
But I, you know, I don't care
1186
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,920
what anybody thinks about me, my
anything.
1187
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,800
I mean, there's a, you know,
once I think you turn 50, you
1188
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,120
start getting that where you're
like, you know who you are, you
1189
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,920
know what you like, You know
what you don't like.
1190
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:53,000
You know that time now is
becoming less than more.
1191
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,640
So you go, you know what?
This is me.
1192
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,280
You know, like the TV show, This
Is Us.
1193
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,080
This is me.
You don't have to like me.
1194
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,040
You don't.
Because you know what?
1195
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,240
I don't have to like you either.
And we don't have to spend time
1196
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,200
together, you know, I mean,
yeah, when you're at work, you
1197
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,760
have to spend time with certain
people, but you just come.
1198
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,560
I came to this natural point of
comfort as I got older and I
1199
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,600
think more selfconfident to, you
know, it comes with if you have
1200
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,320
any selfesteem issues at all.
That carries over into so many
1201
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,290
things.
You know, I wasn't very good at
1202
00:59:25,290 --> 00:59:29,050
relationships for a really long
time and that a lot of it was
1203
00:59:29,050 --> 00:59:33,250
really my own was me.
Well, finding your person
1204
00:59:33,250 --> 00:59:36,370
changes that perspective a lot
because it makes that comfort
1205
00:59:36,370 --> 00:59:37,970
come out.
And now, I mean, you and Chris
1206
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:42,290
have over 20 years together.
Yeah, 20 will be 24, yeah, 24
1207
00:59:42,290 --> 00:59:43,650
years.
Can't even believe it.
1208
00:59:43,810 --> 00:59:46,050
Yeah, time flies, isn't it?
Yeah, I mean, I met her when I
1209
00:59:46,050 --> 00:59:48,690
was 15, obviously.
So I mean, you know.
1210
00:59:51,850 --> 00:59:53,690
Well that's, I was going to say
that earlier when you said you
1211
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:59,290
had to be, what did you say the
the over 55 was the thing for
1212
00:59:59,290 --> 01:00:02,210
the UWGB thing I was going to
say, well they must have made an
1213
01:00:02,210 --> 01:00:03,970
exception.
You should have.
1214
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:05,650
I would have come over there and
kissed you.
1215
01:00:07,970 --> 01:00:11,490
But yeah, finding it, finding
your person like that changes
1216
01:00:11,970 --> 01:00:13,930
everything.
Dynamic too, because yeah.
1217
01:00:14,170 --> 01:00:19,890
It's so much easier to just not
throw caution to the wind or
1218
01:00:19,890 --> 01:00:25,100
that, but like just.
Be comfortable with who you are
1219
01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:27,420
and because you have someone you
know is gonna love you no matter
1220
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:31,900
what, absolutely you know who
knows all of you and it still
1221
01:00:32,060 --> 01:00:32,980
wants to be with you.
They.
1222
01:00:32,980 --> 01:00:35,700
Already know your batshit crazy
and they're just stick around.
1223
01:00:35,700 --> 01:00:37,060
So it's awesome.
Yeah, it is.
1224
01:00:37,060 --> 01:00:38,980
Because it's a it's a huge
comfort thing.
1225
01:00:39,060 --> 01:00:41,460
Yeah, it is.
Because, I mean, I didn't meet
1226
01:00:41,460 --> 01:00:43,860
the love of my life till I was
39 years old.
1227
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:45,980
I tried real hard to go before
that.
1228
01:00:46,340 --> 01:00:48,420
Every relationship.
I thought this is it, this is
1229
01:00:48,420 --> 01:00:52,580
the one you know, which was the
problem, you know, because I
1230
01:00:52,580 --> 01:00:54,860
grew up in again.
I'm a small town girl.
1231
01:00:55,220 --> 01:01:00,500
All I ever wanted was to meet
someone get married or not, but
1232
01:01:00,500 --> 01:01:03,260
have a life together with
someone and just live the white
1233
01:01:03,260 --> 01:01:05,380
picket fence.
That's what I all I ever wanted.
1234
01:01:05,740 --> 01:01:08,340
You know I'm no different than
anybody else really that way.
1235
01:01:08,620 --> 01:01:11,740
I just, you know, I remember as
a little girl when I play with
1236
01:01:11,740 --> 01:01:14,730
other kids in that and we'd talk
about getting married someday
1237
01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:16,010
and all that.
And I'd always say, yeah, I'm
1238
01:01:16,010 --> 01:01:18,450
going to get married and I'm
going to have three kids and I'm
1239
01:01:18,450 --> 01:01:20,930
going to be a school teacher and
all this and that.
1240
01:01:21,210 --> 01:01:23,610
And then they'd always say they
other girls would go, yeah, my
1241
01:01:23,610 --> 01:01:25,490
husband's going to have blonde
hair and he's going to look
1242
01:01:25,490 --> 01:01:30,250
like, you know, Ken or whoever.
Johnny W, you know, for those of
1243
01:01:30,250 --> 01:01:33,210
you who don't know, that was a
cowboy toy from really long ago.
1244
01:01:33,210 --> 01:01:35,290
Look it up.
It's really cool, really stiff.
1245
01:01:37,010 --> 01:01:40,090
But I would always say, they
say, well, what's your husband
1246
01:01:40,090 --> 01:01:41,810
going to look like?
And I'd go, I don't know,
1247
01:01:42,670 --> 01:01:46,310
because I could never pictured
that part of my thing, ever.
1248
01:01:46,310 --> 01:01:49,070
Even as a teenager as I pictured
my life.
1249
01:01:49,070 --> 01:01:55,470
I never saw the husband, you
know, which I, you know.
1250
01:01:55,470 --> 01:01:57,790
I know why.
But at the time it was like, I
1251
01:01:57,790 --> 01:01:59,790
didn't.
It just wasn't there, you know,
1252
01:01:59,830 --> 01:02:00,190
ever.
Like.
1253
01:02:00,190 --> 01:02:02,950
You said as a part of where it
wasn't dialogue that you had
1254
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:05,270
heard or it wasn't things that
you were aware of.
1255
01:02:05,270 --> 01:02:07,270
It's just kind of the unknown.
Yeah.
1256
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:09,710
Yeah.
I mean it to me it was like,
1257
01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:11,470
yeah, it's genetic.
It was born in there.
1258
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:13,670
And you know what?
Seems like every family.
1259
01:02:13,670 --> 01:02:15,710
Who says, oh, we don't have any
gay people in our family.
1260
01:02:15,710 --> 01:02:20,470
I would like, oh, I beg to
differ, I pretty sure you do.
1261
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:23,710
You just don't know it for some
reason.
1262
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:28,190
Probably because they're not
comfortable telling you or feel,
1263
01:02:28,390 --> 01:02:31,390
you know, like they can't.
I tell it to people all the
1264
01:02:31,390 --> 01:02:34,030
time.
You know, I didn't have too many
1265
01:02:34,030 --> 01:02:37,190
people I was comfortable
telling, not even my parents for
1266
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:39,950
a while, but they actually were
wonderful.
1267
01:02:39,950 --> 01:02:41,830
My whole family was super
supportive.
1268
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,680
They just said you're our
daughter, we love you.
1269
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,760
My brother and sister said
you're our sister, we love you.
1270
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,480
Nothing's changed, you know?
And it was true, cuz nothing did
1271
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,600
change.
Yeah, just who I brought home.
1272
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Yeah, you know, that's all.
And it's great you said that
1273
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,840
it's usually, they're usually
your family get togethers are
1274
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:02,760
usually pretty rambunctious.
Yeah, it's probably.
1275
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:06,200
It's a good thing it was Chris,
cuz she could like, take it all
1276
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,120
in.
Yeah, she and they all fell in
1277
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,640
love with her because of that,
you know, She was just so even
1278
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:16,160
Keel didn't get riled up about
anything they'd say or do, just
1279
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,240
kind of, you know, Yeah, she, I
don't know how she does it.
1280
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,960
My family is all kind of like
me.
1281
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,880
We get together and we all talk
at the same time, but we all
1282
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,120
answer each other too, because
we for some reason can hear what
1283
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,640
each other is saying.
And all the all the partners of
1284
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:35,960
each one of us all like sit
together and just shake their
1285
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,990
heads, like, how did we end up
with these people?
1286
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:43,470
Yeah.
So Green Bay was then obviously
1287
01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:46,950
the end of your radio journey.
What that 20?
1288
01:03:47,230 --> 01:03:50,430
Let's see, 20 years total.
But I think in Green Bay 86 to
1289
01:03:50,670 --> 01:03:55,950
2000 is 16 years, No 14.
Sure, here.
1290
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:57,630
So that's, like, the longest
run.
1291
01:03:58,110 --> 01:03:59,950
Yeah.
Yep, Yep.
1292
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,440
Of anything I ever did.
Well, not now, because now I've
1293
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,240
been out of radio for 20 years.
I've been out longer now than I
1294
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,520
was in radio, actually.
Yeah.
1295
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,800
And then was it just the, was it
2 stations in the Green Bay
1296
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,960
area?
Well, actually the first one I
1297
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,280
worked at was a country station,
little AM country station that
1298
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,880
doesn't exist anymore called
WGEE, which now has a call
1299
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,240
letters.
I think W it's still it's 1360
1300
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,840
AM.
I don't know what they're W
1301
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:33,970
something.
And then it was Star 98, which
1302
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:35,970
went through different name
changes over the years.
1303
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:37,770
You know, every time a new
consultant came in, they called
1304
01:04:37,770 --> 01:04:41,410
it something different.
But it was 98.5.
1305
01:04:41,410 --> 01:04:45,490
FM was there for quite a few
years and worked with Doug
1306
01:04:45,490 --> 01:04:47,050
Kaufman, who was my morning
partner.
1307
01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:52,360
Then he went over to the sports
station WDUZ that was owned at
1308
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:55,360
that time by Laird Broadcasting.
But then Cumulus bought all that
1309
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,760
out.
So when that happened, I worked
1310
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,040
with a couple other people.
It just there wasn't the
1311
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:04,120
chemistry.
So I ended up going back to
1312
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,320
Midwest.
I did, yeah.
1313
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,360
And then Doug and I, after I
left and went back to Midwest
1314
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,880
and did my own morning show on a
light station there.
1315
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,920
We ended up being reunited again
about three years later.
1316
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,440
And then that's, that's where I
finished my career.
1317
01:05:18,940 --> 01:05:21,140
So Doug and I worked together
two different times.
1318
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:23,460
Yeah, it was cool.
We just were lucky.
1319
01:05:23,460 --> 01:05:27,020
We just, we had the chemistry,
you know, It just worked.
1320
01:05:27,020 --> 01:05:31,420
And Doug was very supportive of
me and who I was and very
1321
01:05:31,420 --> 01:05:33,380
protective of it.
Nice.
1322
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:34,500
Yeah.
Yeah.
1323
01:05:35,380 --> 01:05:39,380
And that so then leading up to
the end of that, you know
1324
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:41,820
talking about making your
transition kind of similar to
1325
01:05:41,820 --> 01:05:44,660
what I did, you were returning
learner as an adult and then
1326
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:48,830
completely changed paths.
Civil Hop was your first job
1327
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:50,310
post radio, right?
Yep.
1328
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:52,670
Yep.
I went back to school at NWTC
1329
01:05:53,110 --> 01:05:56,470
and got a associate's degree as
a Speech language Pathologist
1330
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:59,590
assistant.
And then the DPI would not give
1331
01:05:59,590 --> 01:06:04,390
that position licensure.
There's lots of reasons for it,
1332
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:07,910
but I was able to get a job at
Civil Hop because of that degree
1333
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:11,350
that I had, because so many kids
there are, you know, have speech
1334
01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:13,710
language therapy, you know,
challenges.
1335
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,360
So I went to Civil Hop, fell in
love with it, just loved it
1336
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:19,840
there.
The staff, the students, I
1337
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:23,440
never, I didn't know I had that
propensity to work with special
1338
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,200
needs populations, like, until I
did.
1339
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
And I just loved it.
I mean, I probably would have
1340
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,480
stayed there for my whole
career, but I did need to make
1341
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,510
more money because I was, you
know, a late, late, you know,
1342
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:41,510
degree getter and all that.
Nobody gets rich in radio.
1343
01:06:41,950 --> 01:06:43,910
No.
I didn't even have a.
1344
01:06:44,550 --> 01:06:50,590
They didn't even have Iras or
401 KS until I was like 32.
1345
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:54,150
I didn't have any of that.
I spent all my money and I, you
1346
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:56,070
know, it was great, but not
great now.
1347
01:06:56,070 --> 01:06:59,790
But well, now it is.
But anyway, so I worked there
1348
01:06:59,790 --> 01:07:01,950
for about 8 or 9 years I
believe.
1349
01:07:02,770 --> 01:07:06,530
And then during that time I knew
like okay, I had great benefits
1350
01:07:06,530 --> 01:07:10,130
there because I actually work
for SISA through the county.
1351
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:12,970
I had great benefits.
But the hourly pages it just
1352
01:07:12,970 --> 01:07:17,250
wasn't going to, I would had to
work till it was 70 and I just
1353
01:07:17,250 --> 01:07:22,130
didn't want to do that.
So I went back to UW GB to get
1354
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:25,210
my bachelor's degree finished
and got that.
1355
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:28,530
And you know, people said what's
your degree in psychology and
1356
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:30,330
human development?
And then of course everybody
1357
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:31,730
said what are you going to do
with that?
1358
01:07:32,370 --> 01:07:35,890
And I said whatever I want, you
know, so.
1359
01:07:35,890 --> 01:07:38,450
And that's what happened.
I got a job as a case manager
1360
01:07:38,690 --> 01:07:41,650
for disadvantaged youth down in
Madison or Madison, sorry,
1361
01:07:41,650 --> 01:07:46,370
Manitowoc, through a company out
of Madison.
1362
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:48,130
And I worked at the job Center
for about a year.
1363
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:52,850
And then there was a job opening
in the accommodations or special
1364
01:07:52,970 --> 01:07:58,010
or the disabilities disability
services department at NWTC and
1365
01:07:58,530 --> 01:08:02,950
Long story short, got hired
there, worked there 2 1/2 years.
1366
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:07,470
There was a cutback at the
college, one of the last ones
1367
01:08:07,470 --> 01:08:10,870
they had, and two people from
student services had to be let
1368
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:18,149
go And last in, first out,
myself and another person from
1369
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:20,149
the counseling department who
had been there for quite a
1370
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:21,750
while, a lot longer than I had
been there.
1371
01:08:22,270 --> 01:08:27,550
So but fortunately in the same
meeting that they were telling
1372
01:08:27,550 --> 01:08:31,350
me this, they also said here's 3
openings that we have that we'd
1373
01:08:31,350 --> 01:08:34,310
like you to apply for.
And I looked them over and Care
1374
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:37,870
services was one of them and I
love that department and I knew
1375
01:08:37,870 --> 01:08:42,430
of our boss and I knew people in
there had become friends of
1376
01:08:42,430 --> 01:08:44,189
mine.
And so Long story short you
1377
01:08:44,189 --> 01:08:47,990
know, I again I say that a lot.
Long story short, I got and I'm
1378
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:50,069
never short.
I'm never short with my stories.
1379
01:08:50,069 --> 01:08:51,189
That's what's so stupid about
it.
1380
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:54,550
I always say long story, Long
story short, not I'm going to go
1381
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:58,750
on and on about it.
I got hired and work there for
1382
01:09:01,069 --> 01:09:05,470
6-7 years I think in that
department and then the pandemic
1383
01:09:05,470 --> 01:09:09,710
happened and I wasn't planning
on retiring when I did, but
1384
01:09:09,830 --> 01:09:13,310
everything changed.
Everything I when we came back
1385
01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:16,670
after it, it just wasn't the
same feel that we had before we
1386
01:09:16,670 --> 01:09:19,470
went in.
The numbers were down as far as
1387
01:09:19,470 --> 01:09:21,550
like people in camp.
Not that numbers are down, I
1388
01:09:21,550 --> 01:09:25,350
mean they are everywhere.
But people weren't taking as
1389
01:09:25,350 --> 01:09:27,390
many class, there weren't as
many students on campus because
1390
01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:31,149
a lot of people then were now
taking classes from home, you
1391
01:09:31,149 --> 01:09:32,990
know, and working from home part
of the time.
1392
01:09:33,310 --> 01:09:37,950
So there wasn't this quite the,
what I want to say, energy on
1393
01:09:37,950 --> 01:09:42,109
campus that I really thrived on
just wasn't quite the same for
1394
01:09:42,109 --> 01:09:47,430
me and I just realized I wasn't
enjoying it as much as I had pre
1395
01:09:47,470 --> 01:09:50,229
pandemic.
So from I went from thinking I'm
1396
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:55,150
going to work till I'm 66 to,
you know, a week after I turned
1397
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:59,270
62, I retired just like that.
Forwarded that decision.
1398
01:09:59,270 --> 01:10:00,830
I did.
I did, yeah.
1399
01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:03,950
It wasn't really my plan until
the pandemic, like I said, it
1400
01:10:03,950 --> 01:10:05,830
changed it for me.
OK yeah.
1401
01:10:05,950 --> 01:10:08,350
I just started thinking, I don't
know if I want to do this like
1402
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:10,790
this.
OK, this isn't really kind of
1403
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:13,470
what I signed up for.
That part I didn't know about
1404
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:15,430
South.
How long was that transition
1405
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:17,230
period?
Like how long from the time
1406
01:10:17,230 --> 01:10:19,670
where you thought maybe
retirement is an option till you
1407
01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:22,850
said, Yep, I'm retiring probably
about four months.
1408
01:10:23,930 --> 01:10:26,650
Yeah, pretty quick because my
partner Chris was already
1409
01:10:26,650 --> 01:10:30,290
retired.
So that sort of pitched in long
1410
01:10:30,330 --> 01:10:31,810
too.
Yeah, I won't pretend it didn't
1411
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:34,050
because you know, I knew I was
going to give.
1412
01:10:34,090 --> 01:10:36,810
I knew that I would give her at
least a year to be retired
1413
01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:39,370
without me around.
And you know, just because she
1414
01:10:39,370 --> 01:10:42,210
had a high high, stressful, you
know, management type positions
1415
01:10:42,210 --> 01:10:45,930
all through her career.
And so she needed to then the
1416
01:10:45,930 --> 01:10:49,330
pandemic for her to change how
she was doing her job.
1417
01:10:49,330 --> 01:10:52,680
And she just decided there was
some changes at her work.
1418
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,520
And she was like, I'm, I just
don't want to go through all of
1419
01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,080
the stuff again.
And I said retire.
1420
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,680
So she did.
And I let her have a a little
1421
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:05,680
over a year or so, year and a
half almost.
1422
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:08,440
And and you know, when someone
you come home and dinner's made
1423
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:10,640
every night, that's great.
But after a while it'd be more
1424
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,000
great to be home, you know,
preparing the dinner yourself
1425
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:15,360
because you weren't working all
day.
1426
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,840
You know, the shine sort of wore
off and and of course that was
1427
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,230
part of it.
Just that then, you know,
1428
01:11:21,230 --> 01:11:24,630
because if one person's retired
and you're not after a while,
1429
01:11:24,710 --> 01:11:27,350
this person wants to do this
stuff and go here and do this
1430
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:29,670
and you're holding up the show
over here.
1431
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:34,190
Well, I only have 5 vacation
days and I can use for that.
1432
01:11:34,190 --> 01:11:36,990
I can only use this many and
we'll take your sick days.
1433
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:39,750
Oh, you can only take so many.
Then you got to have a doctor's
1434
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:42,270
note.
You know, it's just, yeah, it
1435
01:11:42,270 --> 01:11:44,790
starts to get a little bit
wonky.
1436
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:50,040
And you are kind of at a like,
in addition to being at a point
1437
01:11:50,040 --> 01:11:54,040
in life where you're comfortable
in your own skin, you're also at
1438
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:56,160
a point like some of the stuff
you've been through with the
1439
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,960
Melanoma and things like that,
where at least from an outward
1440
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:04,880
perspective of mine looks like
you don't.
1441
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,800
You're not at a place where you
take those minutes for granted,
1442
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,100
so that was also a huge part of
it, yes.
1443
01:12:11,100 --> 01:12:15,140
When, you know your partner's at
home and she's retired and
1444
01:12:15,140 --> 01:12:18,620
you're thinking I could be
spending these hours with her as
1445
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:22,540
opposed to working, that has to
weigh in on it, too.
1446
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:24,100
It did.
Absolutely.
1447
01:12:24,100 --> 01:12:25,940
Yeah, you're right.
You know, I really should have.
1448
01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:28,820
That was probably more than
anything, was my health.
1449
01:12:28,900 --> 01:12:31,020
And we'd be lying if it wasn't
Clark too.
1450
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:33,020
Well, yeah.
I mean, you have a dog like
1451
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:34,340
Clark.
I mean, you want to be there
1452
01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:36,990
with him, you know, make sure
he's not ripping up the house
1453
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:39,670
while your partner who's retired
is in the garage all day making
1454
01:12:39,670 --> 01:12:41,550
furniture.
Like, what about the dog?
1455
01:12:41,550 --> 01:12:43,190
Somebody's got to pay attention
to the dog.
1456
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:45,310
I guess I'll have to retire.
You said you're the you're the
1457
01:12:45,310 --> 01:12:47,270
Clark disciplinarian of the
household, right?
1458
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:50,430
Or no, you're no, Chris is the
disciplinarian.
1459
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:52,270
You're the one that lets Clark
get away with everything.
1460
01:12:53,150 --> 01:12:55,150
I'm the one that feeds Clark
like this.
1461
01:12:56,510 --> 01:12:58,270
So how was your day?
Yeah.
1462
01:12:58,270 --> 01:12:59,030
Really.
Oh.
1463
01:12:59,590 --> 01:13:03,310
From the table.
Yeah, I know big no no.
1464
01:13:03,310 --> 01:13:06,800
And I know better.
But he looks at me, he looks at
1465
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,880
me and I just oh, you're so
cute, baby.
1466
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:14,800
You're starving to death.
Yeah, starving doesn't have an
1467
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,120
ounce of meat left.
You need some donut because
1468
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:21,200
that's good for you.
Yeah, Bad.
1469
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:22,680
Oh, man.
Yeah.
1470
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:23,960
So.
Well, sure.
1471
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:27,160
I mean, my mortality stared me
in the face.
1472
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,800
You know, I got told I had maybe
6 to 18 months at one point.
1473
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:34,340
So I was like, oh, wow, okay,
okay.
1474
01:13:34,860 --> 01:13:37,380
All right, now what?
You know, I mean, I started, you
1475
01:13:37,380 --> 01:13:40,420
know, making some plans and
writing things down.
1476
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:43,660
And luckily I got into a
clinical trial that obviously
1477
01:13:43,660 --> 01:13:47,660
worked really well for me and
had a great surgeon and vascular
1478
01:13:47,660 --> 01:13:51,580
surgeon who got this complicated
messed up tumor out of my body
1479
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:55,540
without too much damage, you
know, And now I'll be, it'll be
1480
01:13:55,540 --> 01:13:58,060
10 years this November.
Yeah.
1481
01:13:58,850 --> 01:14:01,610
So it was a clinical trial that
you were lucky enough to be
1482
01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:02,730
involved in.
Yeah.
1483
01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:05,770
And it worked for me.
I know they don't use that
1484
01:14:05,770 --> 01:14:08,610
treatment anymore, but it, you
know, obviously worked well for
1485
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:10,530
me.
They have even better ones now.
1486
01:14:10,530 --> 01:14:13,690
So I don't even part of me is
like if I got cancer back, I
1487
01:14:13,690 --> 01:14:17,090
just look at it as like a
chronic illness now, like, you
1488
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:19,890
know, they'll be new treatments.
And there are for Melanoma,
1489
01:14:19,890 --> 01:14:22,250
they've made great strides.
Now the only thing that would
1490
01:14:22,250 --> 01:14:24,210
mess it up is if it was in your
brain or something.
1491
01:14:24,210 --> 01:14:28,610
That's a pretty tough one to,
you know, overcome, but you
1492
01:14:28,610 --> 01:14:30,770
know, they they just can keep
extending.
1493
01:14:30,770 --> 01:14:33,050
It's just I look at it as a
chronic illness where they could
1494
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:35,690
just keep extending my life and
extending my life and extending
1495
01:14:35,690 --> 01:14:38,330
my life.
So I've already had a lifetime
1496
01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:43,990
more than some people do have
had already, you know, So I
1497
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:45,750
don't worry about it at all
anymore.
1498
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:47,910
Is that possibility something
they tell you about?
1499
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:49,630
Like, is it something they told
you then?
1500
01:14:49,630 --> 01:14:52,390
Like, are you at more of a
propensity to have it again or
1501
01:14:52,390 --> 01:14:53,150
something?
Sure, Yep.
1502
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:55,030
Yep.
Like your odds or the percentage
1503
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:58,030
chances of getting it back
again, you know, or this or
1504
01:14:58,030 --> 01:15:02,630
that.
But I just quit worrying about
1505
01:15:02,630 --> 01:15:04,550
it.
Only the fact that I know life
1506
01:15:04,550 --> 01:15:07,390
can change in an instant.
Like, truly.
1507
01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:11,580
So that's why too, I thought, do
I wanna work till I'm 66 and
1508
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:13,780
then all of a sudden be
unhealthy or find out I have
1509
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:17,100
cancer, I'm gonna die in three
months, then I'm really gonna be
1510
01:15:17,100 --> 01:15:18,860
ticked off.
And I was like, no, that's not
1511
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:20,660
what I want.
That's not how I want my story
1512
01:15:20,660 --> 01:15:24,300
to end, you know?
And that's a good friend of both
1513
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:26,580
of ours that just happened to
but.
1514
01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:30,190
In some ways, I think I in some
ways, I think that's how he may
1515
01:15:30,190 --> 01:15:32,030
have wanted it.
Absolutely.
1516
01:15:32,030 --> 01:15:37,070
Because he wanted, he loved
working so much and teaching and
1517
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:41,910
all that, so much that, you
know, I think he probably was
1518
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:45,310
almost forced by family and
everybody to like, you got to
1519
01:15:45,310 --> 01:15:48,190
quit and you go, yeah, you got
to kind of think about it.
1520
01:15:48,190 --> 01:15:50,310
And then as soon as he makes up
his mind, he's going to do it.
1521
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:53,750
He basically died before he hit
his retirement date even.
1522
01:15:54,230 --> 01:15:56,700
Yeah, yeah.
I just, you know, for him.
1523
01:15:56,700 --> 01:15:59,340
I think I tell myself that was
OK.
1524
01:15:59,340 --> 01:16:01,740
And then I think, well, I had a
conversation with him about it
1525
01:16:01,740 --> 01:16:04,020
actually on the phone, and he
was OK with it.
1526
01:16:04,060 --> 01:16:08,820
He was, yeah, he was OK with it.
He met it head on and he was OK
1527
01:16:08,820 --> 01:16:10,620
with it.
And I said, I totally get it.
1528
01:16:10,820 --> 01:16:13,980
Good for you, you know.
Just make sure you keep yourself
1529
01:16:13,980 --> 01:16:16,380
comfortable.
Unsurprisingly, almost right.
1530
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:17,580
Right.
Oh yeah.
1531
01:16:18,020 --> 01:16:22,820
He he was such a moving person
because of the because of that
1532
01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:25,980
almost attitude.
That attitude that he had, that
1533
01:16:26,220 --> 01:16:28,860
it's unsurprising that he met
that thing face to face.
1534
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:34,020
And seemingly within a week he
came at me with an adage that
1535
01:16:34,020 --> 01:16:36,140
was just like, you know,
unbelievable.
1536
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:39,300
Like it's like, Oh my goodness,
you know, like only you could
1537
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:41,580
think of that.
And a week after someone told
1538
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:43,500
you you're like you're dying,
you're dying.
1539
01:16:43,620 --> 01:16:45,620
Yeah, only you would come to me
and say that.
1540
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:48,100
Yeah, you know, yeah, he was
from, he was just a remarkable
1541
01:16:48,100 --> 01:16:50,340
person.
And I feel like, yeah, he came
1542
01:16:50,340 --> 01:16:53,180
into everyone's life that he
came into for a reason.
1543
01:16:53,470 --> 01:16:54,350
Absolutely.
Yeah.
1544
01:16:54,670 --> 01:16:58,430
Yeah.
Yeah, and I'll never I'll never
1545
01:16:58,430 --> 01:17:00,590
forget he the one time it was
joking.
1546
01:17:00,590 --> 01:17:04,350
At the time, it was probably
maybe a year and a half before
1547
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:06,310
he found out the bad news that
he was dying and stuff.
1548
01:17:07,150 --> 01:17:09,230
He kind of joked to me one time.
He said, you know what?
1549
01:17:09,230 --> 01:17:10,230
Buddy was coming.
Buddy said.
1550
01:17:10,230 --> 01:17:11,750
You know what, bud?
They're going to have to pry my
1551
01:17:11,750 --> 01:17:14,830
hands off this keyboard.
Yep, I heard him say stuff like
1552
01:17:14,830 --> 01:17:16,070
that too.
They're going to have to pry me
1553
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:19,470
out of here, cuz I'd always say,
Andy, how old are you, you know?
1554
01:17:19,470 --> 01:17:22,960
And he and he'd say whatever.
His age was 70s and I'd just be
1555
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,840
like, God, how do you do it?
He said.
1556
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,000
I love it.
This is what gives me my energy.
1557
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,960
You know, they're going to have
to pry me out of here.
1558
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,920
They're going to have to carry
me out of here, you know.
1559
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,560
And practically they almost had
to, you know.
1560
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:37,000
So.
But I I always think of him
1561
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,400
fondly now because I think he
probably was okay.
1562
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,840
I he told me he had a full,
wonderful life, you know, He
1563
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,280
said he has.
I have no regrets.
1564
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,880
I've had a great life.
What's there to complain about?
1565
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,800
You know?
And I tell people that too.
1566
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,440
If I fell over right now on the
floor and neither but nobody in
1567
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:56,800
here knew how to save me and
give me CPR, it'd be okay with
1568
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:58,800
me.
I mean, well, maybe not okay,
1569
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:04,520
but I'd still wish you did.
But it'd be okay.
1570
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,320
Because, I mean, I've had a
great life, you know, I've done
1571
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:10,320
lots of things I don't.
I don't want for anything.
1572
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,120
I don't need anything more.
I don't.
1573
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,040
I'm just not right now.
I'm just enjoying my life.
1574
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,880
It's like bonus, you know, bonus
time.
1575
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:18,620
So that's kind of how I look at
it.
1576
01:18:18,620 --> 01:18:21,020
It's all a bonus.
You want to know what's weird?
1577
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:22,100
You want to know?
I bet.
1578
01:18:22,100 --> 01:18:23,380
Who else feels like that right
now?
1579
01:18:25,620 --> 01:18:30,460
Aaron Rodgers It's bonus.
It's bonus.
1580
01:18:30,460 --> 01:18:33,180
Like, it's bonus.
Yeah, it is for him.
1581
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:36,740
He's going to be 40 years old
and he's still playing football
1582
01:18:37,180 --> 01:18:39,220
and he has a chance to be an MVP
again.
1583
01:18:39,420 --> 01:18:42,380
You know if he's, we thinks he's
he thinks he's with the right
1584
01:18:42,380 --> 01:18:45,370
people now and he has the
weapons to that he always wanted
1585
01:18:45,370 --> 01:18:46,130
to have.
Yeah.
1586
01:18:46,130 --> 01:18:47,370
It's bonus time for him.
Yeah.
1587
01:18:47,490 --> 01:18:49,410
Good segue back into football.
I like that.
1588
01:18:49,450 --> 01:18:51,130
I loved it.
It was awesome.
1589
01:18:51,170 --> 01:18:52,850
How?
Could we not bring it back
1590
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:56,330
around to Aaron Rodgers?
How could you and I not sandwich
1591
01:18:56,330 --> 01:19:00,370
our conversation with sports?
Some of the heaviest, most
1592
01:19:00,410 --> 01:19:03,170
awesome things that you could
ever talk about and then end it
1593
01:19:03,170 --> 01:19:05,210
was sports.
And probably some funny shit.
1594
01:19:06,130 --> 01:19:08,170
Go Pat, go.
That's totally our style.
1595
01:19:08,210 --> 01:19:09,770
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
1596
01:19:09,930 --> 01:19:11,330
That's very funny.
That was good.
1597
01:19:11,370 --> 01:19:13,680
Nice segue.
Way to tie that.
1598
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:15,760
What's it called?
Piggybacking or whatever?
1599
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,800
Piggy piggyback.
I don't know.
1600
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,640
I don't.
Know I like segue when they have
1601
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,320
a commercial on and it's like 15
seconds and then they go to
1602
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:27,160
another one and then they come
back with another 15 second
1603
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,600
bookends bookended that good
job.
1604
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,280
Bookended it was sports.
Yep, that was very good.
1605
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:36,240
You know Bookender.
You Brad the Bookender?
1606
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,760
It was so good to talk with you.
Thank you, Kevin.
1607
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,400
You too, Brad.
It was a pleasure.