Jordan Dietsche- Pro Wrestling, Comedy, and Career - Ep. #6

0:09 Do you have on dark sunglasses? Does he? I feel like that's like for all the crazy ass like podcasts where they just say stupid stuff just to get clicks. Like they always wear dark sunglasses. I feel like that's his bod. It is like a thing, yeah. It's like, I'm just saying, you know, maybe we didn't get on the moon. I'm just saying, just a thought. Like, that's every stupid podcast. Did you ever did? You know, I saw just the other day he's on he was on Road Rules way back in the day. You ever see any of those clips? Yeah, I've seen Rd. Rules. Yeah. Did you ever see the one with him?

0:49 Oh, the Obama's on it. He was on it. I I haven't, but I was shocked to find out He's like, what, in his 40s or 50s? He's very old. He's not in his 30s. He's very old really. He's like. 49 He's almost. 50 I think so. Yeah, I guess that probably stands true. So thinking about Rd. rules that happened in like the what 90s that was. 90s was Rd. Rules and he was probably about 20 at that time. Yeah, yeah, he he is he he's pretty old. He looks very young. I think it's because he tans so much and he probably like covers up his like the bags under his eyes with those giant, because he wears like dark giant aviators.

1:32 He always covers up himself with his hat. Yeah, you know what I mean? Is that what you're doing now? No, I'm having a weird hair day. I had a haircut like 5 weeks ago. That didn't. It didn't take. This is my George Costanza. I got done telling her higher and higher and she was just like, yeah, how's this? And I was like, you didn't do anything. So I'm having a weird hair day. I ran like 2 1/2 miles today and then I showered and it's like it just hasn't stuck somewhere in a cap. All right, this. Is the third cap I tried on before I left the house too. Oh yeah. Deep in the rotation. Deep into the bullpen, what was the deciding factor? I was running out of time and I was bothering my wife. OK. It's going to be this one. Yeah. I think it was a good choice. It's all right.

2:17 Camouflage Lambo from Rooted, Wisconsin. And this? Is my dad's cap actually too? him and I did. We do cap trades. We do cap trades. Yeah, we're really. Caps. Yeah, OK. Fascinating. How did that? How did that come about? It's just like he's like, I like that cap and I'm like, I like that one. So we just trade caps and every couple years we just rotate them back. Wow. So it's a lengthy endeavor. Yeah, well he's he's kind of invested at this point since 1987. So. So what, what was the first cap trade? Do you remember the cap and who initiated? It it was this one and I had a hat that says, says Beer Ski. And he's like, ah, that's a cool cap and I was like, want me to buy you one?

2:58 He's like, no, I want that one. I was like, OK, well then I want that one and since then it's been like Packer caps or. He has really old cats from the 90s that are just awesome that you can't find anywhere. Cheese maker caps, all kinds of stuff. What one did you get back from the Beersky? This one, this one was the that was the first cap trade. Yeah, this is the OK. Has there been there, has there been more cap trade since A? Few ones since then for sure. OK, do do they make their way back to the original owner? That one hasn't. Well, no, I like this one. He has to give me the Beersky 1 back. I don't think he had. I think he traded that one too with somebody else. I think you re gifted the the trade.

3:39 He's trade. It's got more trade. He's got more trading partners. Yeah, man, I like that, though. The cap trade, Yeah, you got to be careful because you know what if it's a? What if it's like a hat you wore a couple, like real sweaty days? Like nobody would want my golf cap trade use. Wash caps? Yeah. How do you do that? Dishwasher. No. In the washer. In the regular washer. Yeah, regular, and you don't ruin the brim. No, you don't ruin the rim. You just put it and you don't. You don't put it in the dryer just to air dry it. I wash my caps all the time because I work out in the caps OK, so I wash them all the time. I've never ruined a cap. There's a lot of positivity that is, Yeah, I remember.

4:21 I think it was. I think it was Pepsi back in the day. If you drank a certain amount and you sent in enough labels, you got a a hat Bender. A hat Bender. Yep, it was plastic with like, kind of rubber bands, anything striking A chord there. So if you ruin the brim, you can fix it back up. Unless it was too flimsy. Then you're toast. So there's that. And then also you there's no way you can find them anymore, but there were these like frames that you could put a cap in, it's plastic and then you can actually put it in the dishwasher. So it's like a box, basically, and it's, you know? It was it was it kind of like a car frame, to be honest with you. You put the cap in and you snapped it shut and you put down the top rack in the dishwasher.

5:02 OK, My dad still has that. OK? Because he washes his caps in the dishwasher. Yeah, yeah, I know. A lot of people do it in the dishwasher. You know why? Because the brims get rimmed. Because the brims ruined. His mutter was Mutter. That's one of the most iconic Seinfeld scenes ever. Yeah, for sure. Got that rolled up newspaper. That's the second time I've referenced Seinfeld today, and I'm hoping it's not the last. That's a great day, man. Hall, we can talk about that. It's it's getting to be kind of sad. You like I've noticed myself 8. My jokes are aging, like my Seinfeld references. No, no, they don't age out.

5:45 There's a, you know, an age limit now where it's it's blank eyes. Like, what is that joke from? Maybe like his mutter was a mutter. Not everyone gets it. You just move on. It's at bats. You just keep swinging. No, you just. That's what I find with my jokes at work. They're like, Jordan, this isn't funny. I'm like, I don't care. I'm gonna keep swinging. You gotta keep swinging, man. Yeah, you'll get a laugh eventually. Yeah, exactly. It's it's a numbers game and finally someone said Jordan Jordan takes a lot of swings. I'm like, yeah, I do. You do. You do. Your your LinkedIn game is full of funny swings. Oh yeah. How do you come up? Like, that's an interesting way to use LinkedIn. Now it's it's kind of. It's is it? It's not a great way to use LinkedIn, that's for sure. I noticed it.

6:29 Yeah, it's true. Somebody else has to be noticing it. Yeah. How do I come up with that? Why'd you decide? Why'd you decide to start doing one liner on LinkedIn? Frustration. Frustration. OK. What is it? Spite? That's what Jerry does. That's, yeah, spite. Spite. No. So LinkedIn is an awesome connecting tool, right? It can be really awesome to connect with really good people. But I do really feel like also, it's just like it's kind of become just a little toxic, I think like a lot of socials in different ways, yeah. Yeah, man. And it's just like, I see a post that's like, I don't lead. I learn, This is why.

7:14 And then I'm like, Oh my God, six paragraphs. Did you actually type this out? And it's just like, don't get me wrong, I'm sure there's good stuff out there, but it's like, then I see other stuff and they're like, you're just, you're just touting yourself. That's all It says, like all socials, right? But I don't know, So what? What? So these wrote one liners. I think I'm just trying to break up people's feeds. You know, yeah, just something like Die Hard is a Christmas movie like that. Doesn't really belong on LinkedIn, but I'll put it on there, you know? Yeah, I've gotten advice from people saying that I shouldn't post that kind of stuff. I'm like if they don't like my LinkedIn, they're definitely not going to like my Facebook, my Twitter, my threads or my human presence.

7:54 My human presence, yeah, I'm going to acquire taste. People just don't want to acquire it. That's what I say about myself, you know. So I don't know, man. It's yeah, that's why I do the warm liners on on LinkedIn for sure. OK. You know, when you think of like, you know, you being a marketer, it's an interesting way to look at it because we're always looking for a differentiating factor, right, What sets us apart from a crowded, noisy area. It's extremely noisy and I think that it does it for you. I notice it every time I see when I notice it because it's so different than what you're there you're expecting to get. Who's this Chuck? That's what you say. Who's this, Chuck?

8:38 I mean, we know each other more than in passing, so I know what to expect, but for sure, for for others who maybe, like you've just connected with that you've never met or something, they probably see a LinkedIn post and it definitely sets you apart from from others. And for all intents and purposes, to me, that's a good thing, you know? Could be all right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I I've had a boss tell me in the past, like, what are you doing? Like, hey, man, like it's it's my kitchen. If you don't like it, you can just close the, close the window. You know, that kind of a thing. Like that's why I'm cooking. This is who I am. I should apologize. But I'm unapologetic about it because it's it's it's it's just social media.

9:21 That's all it is. You know what I mean? So I'm not saying anything that controversial. I'm not saying, like we didn't land on the moon. I'm just saying like. Oh man, like shredded cheese is awesome. Like I know. Connect with me, 'cause like, even my profile picture, it's not the typical, like like this or whatever. It's it's me in a weird suit that I got off of wish.com and I'm wearing it at a wrestling show, you know? Yeah. So I don't know, man. I don't know about LinkedIn. Sometimes it's like a drug for me. It's an abusive relationship. And I'm just. I just love the abuse. Yeah. Yeah, so wish I have you. Have you seen these weird T moo ads around?

10:01 Like TikTok and stuff? OK. What's you said? T Moo T moo yeah, it's T moo. I'm not completely sure yet. It seems like a it seems like another wish.com to me, where there's like obscenely low prices like yesterday. I can't remember what social platform it was on, but it was like 87 cents. Literally it said $0.87 for this like leather. Pack that, you know, people would probably pay $200 for if it actually looked like that, but I wonder if like you get it and it's like goes on the back of AGI Joe or something. I've bought so much stuff off of Wish Did you?

10:42 I have. I've purchased suits my like infamous like gold lapel suit that I've worn a lot. I've worn that. I bought that off of wish. I bought so much stuff off a wish and I've honestly buy that suit. You get a free buy the you get a free bowl of soup. Free bowl of soup. I'd say 90% of my purchases have been awesome. Like, no issues, OK? And then the other ones are pretty ridiculous, 'cause I thought once I was buying chalkboards for my gym, my home gym. I thought I was buying big chalkboards, 'cause I wanted to be able to, you know, I was like, draw stuff on there, track my progress and all that stuff and. I end up with chalkboards like this big like 5 of them nice I.

11:26 Was like, what am I supposed to do with these? So I just threw them away, 'cause they're like three. It was $3 total. Like, I'm not going to use chalkboards that small. Yeah, I got, like, a free miniature crossbow off a wish because I got enough points racked up. That's what I used for my points. So I got a miniature crossbow that uses toothpicks. OK, so that's pretty cool. That's cool. I've had to stop myself from buying a sword off of wish far too many times, like a big sword like $12.00. I'm like, what am I going to do with this sword other than Go like, yeah, like crafted by a legitimate samurai like. Yeah, so no, I bought tons of stuff, especially during the pandemic.

12:08 I bought so much stuff. I wish, like we all did. We all bought stupid stuff during the pandemic, you know? So yeah, I haven't bought anything though in a year. So I've been clean for about a year. Good, good. You got off of it. Yeah, that's good to hear. Yeah. So I guess T moo's like a a new one of those is what I'm getting out of it. But their their their stuff is so like so sketchy. The, like, they'll do weird TikTok ads where it's like now I immediately know it's T moo. But at first I was like, they got me to scroll on a couple of them and it'll be like something completely outside of anything they're trying to talk about. And then you get to the last, like, swipe and it's team. Oh, like what?

12:52 You should buy something. Yep. No, no, no, no, probably not. I never ordered anything off. Wish. Really. I'm not a I'm not a trinket like thing thing person. I'm AI. Try to be as minimalist as possible. Like you wouldn't have like a giant wooden table carved from like a red oak tree, a bunch of paintings and stuff like that that wouldn't, No. That wouldn't be you, would it? No, no, not at all. No. This is Maple. Maple You wouldn't have a giant Maple table from the Land of Land Before Time. Basically, yeah. I don't. They don't have this on wish, my friend. This is straight from Wisconsin.

13:32 My my favorite thing to do on wish was to mess with the algorithm by searching specific things to see what the combined result would be. So I'd search like. Medieval swords, clown makeup, vampire fangs, and like measuring cups just to see what it comes up with because it always comes up with something weird. So that was my favorite thing to do for sure. All right. Yeah, Just to see where see where the road LED you. Man, Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah, I want to talk about your Rd. I want to talk about wrestling. Let's do it. Yeah. Yeah, you're doing it again.

14:12 Right. Kind of doing it again. OK, Kind of doing it again. I'm being extremely selective of when I wrestle and where I wrestle, OK because I don't really feel like I'm back to where I was when I was wrestling a lot. Kind of like I'm I'm like in the minor leagues, you know what I mean? Working my way back into a good wrestling shape kind of a thing. And also getting back my confidence too. Three years gone is a long time from wrestling from anything, so I'm being pretty selective. I'm having a lot of fun. I'm having a lot of fun working for mainly 2 promotions I'd say right now. So yeah, that's awesome. I just did it this past weekend in Milwaukee.

14:54 Nice. Yeah, Fatal 4 Way match. For the battle tested Heritage Championship, I think so, yeah, it was a good time. Was it? Is it taped or can you tell us the outcome? I I did lose. It's gonna be on some streaming site. It's like Battle.net or fight net or something like that, but we'll be streaming, OK. I don't have it off that, man. I'm pretty bad promoter, but that's OK. But it was a good match, so it was a really good time. You're the talent. Other people do the promotion. Yes, yeah. Yeah, I was in there with like 3 people who I barely knew and it was a really good match. It was a crowd of about 80, which was actually pretty good considering there's like three other shows going on in the area.

15:38 OK, you know what I mean? So yeah, it was a good time. It was a really good time. So just kind of a few months you've been back into it, right? Yeah. OK. So when did you start? Like originally, Yeah. When did you first start wrestling? I had my first match in February of 2012 in Luxembourg. OK. Rendezvous in Luxembourg. Yeah. OK, so you did it for what, 8-9 years before you? OK, What? What led you to it? Were you a wrestling fan before you started wrestling? Or how'd you how'd you get into that? Yeah, I I grew up during the best time in wrestling history, the Attitude Era. So when like Stone Cold and The Rock and Triple H and Mankind and Undertaker were all, you know, just. Just really ripping it up on TV and I we didn't have cable growing up.

16:27 But then when Smackdown was on UPN 32 on Thursday night, so it was free. I just like head over heels for it. Like my parents at first were like, OK, only watch like you know, 10 minutes, half hour because it's, you know, it's it's pretty violence on exactly for kids. And then I just kept on begging them and begging them and my dad actually got into it. And I think that was like. My mom was like, I'm not going to win this fight. Yeah. So yeah, it was just me and you're like best thing. Ever. Best thing ever. Yeah. You know, So I was just, yeah, me and my dad and my brother was watching it every Thursday night and I was just like hooked. And it was because I grew up like a giant X-Men fan and like Marvel fan. And to me, I was like, this is the next step.

17:09 These are real life superheroes. These are superheroes and super women, you know? So I got into it pretty hard. I was all about collecting like the VHS tapes. I would buy tapes from like garage sales, like wrestling tapes. I would rent videos from Hollywood video all the time, the wrestling video games, the swag, the shirts, all of it. I was like head over heels and I followed it pretty closely until mid 2006 or seven I want to say And that is completely like. I was like, I'm just done. I need a break. I can't keep trying to memorize every single Internet Intercontinental Champion like all the time I need a break. And then in 2000, mid 2010, I got, I just fell back into it because I had a roommate that was into it and I like, I felt like a kid all over again.

18:01 I was like, man, this is awesome. Like, this is really, really awesome. It's it's more entertaining than ever. They have more of a worldwide, worldwide reach. And I just like. It was awesome. It was like being in love again, you know? That's the best way I can describe it. And I watched it really, really hard. And then in I'm just going to go right into the little wrestling thing. How's that sound? Right. Yeah, absolutely. Like mid two, like November 2011, I saw a Facebook post for a show, a local show happening and I was like looking at the the event page and I think that's interesting. I didn't even know that they had like local wrestling. Still, I didn't think so. Because you know. And I messaged the promoter name is Bruno.

18:44 I don't even know how to say his last name, but everybody is Mars. Bruno Mars. Bruno Mars yeah, yeah. Bruno Mars was the the promoter and I said, hey, big time wrestling fan, you know, would it be cool if I just came and like helped out and just like hauled some stuff around. He's like, he's like, hey, like you're kind of, you're kind of big want to just be a wrestler. It's like, Oh yeah, that's good, that's. That's good. Chuck and I was like, sure. And he's like, all right, bring 50 bucks and we'll get you in the ring for the show. So you had to pay him? Yeah, OK. So showed up earlier and it was funny cuz like you know, I was 24 at the time and I was thinking like. I'm going to get there and it's going to be like a who's who of variable local athletes.

19:31 Like they're going to be the most impressive people. I showed up and I was like, woof, these are not impressive athletes. There was like a 15 year old who had his mom with them because he couldn't legally be there without her, you know, because he's a minor. There was some girl who had like one match and then literally disappeared off the face of the earth. And then there was one or two other people that actually had some talent. And yeah, I just got tossed around the ring for a few hours before the show. And he's like, if you want to keep coming, like, you know, here's the rate or whatever. Eventually I can hook you up with a trainer, but just keep coming, come in early, pay your dues, set up the ring, and we'll get your ring time. And like, that was it. You know what I mean?

20:12 That's just like, that's that was my weird introduction. Like, there was no, there's nothing malicious about it. It was just like, here's somebody go get beat up. You know so. Fascinating. So why'd you have to pay him? Because it was his ring, his show. It's like I had to like it is a bit of a scam. He I definitely didn't need to pay $50.00 for two hours of ring work every single time. But compared to what I hear from other people, what they had to pay or whatever, like thousands of dollars, you know, or like crazy down payments, like 50 bucks three or four times really isn't that bad. So that was like. What you would consider that like a like a gatekeeper fee kind of. Yeah.

20:53 Type thing. OK, yeah. And he did. I mean he he was true to his word. He did find me a local trainer. I thought there's Shane Hills. He runs the Dojo of Pain in Maribel, So about 20 minutes South of Wisconsin, South of Wisconsin, South of Green Bay. He has a ring set up in his in his barn at his house. He has a giant farm and he did hook me up. So like I mean it all worked out so. Yeah, pretty good. And then I had my first official match in February of 2012. OK. So then what from there, anytime we jump into something new you like? Try to find ways to get better. This is a a unique thing.

21:36 How did you like? What did you do? Did you tap on other like wrestling talent as mentors? Did you have like a like you say trainer? Do they have that? Like, how did you get better? Yeah, so it was mostly about just getting that ring time. So every single Sunday, man Dang near every single Sunday, except for sparingly during football season. Or like when it was really, really cold in winter from yeah, like 2012 till 2014. Weird is in the ring for like 3 hours. So it's just practice. It's it's bumping, it's hitting the ropes. It's learning the fundamentals of wrestling. It's learning how to cut a promo, it's how to create a character, how to create a character that's huge, basically. So it's that that piece.

22:26 And then also, yeah, I found some mentors. I found some really, really great local guys who I I basically just begged for me to hop in their car with them when they would hit the road to do shows. I was like I'll drive, I'll pay for gas, I'll do whatever, just like please take me with you like maybe hopefully try to get me a match on the show later on. I'll work for free, whatever. But I just do like I I think coming into wrestling as like a full grown adult, like a 2324 year old, I think it set me up because I understood like the dues paying process. I knew I was going to have to kind of eat some dirt for a while before I made it. So yeah, and it worked. It worked out completely. Yeah, absolutely. You talk about the like, I think one of the most fascinating wrestling parts to me is, is that persona creation.

23:09 Like you, you, you create this existence that's, you know, outside of your norm, but probably builds upon your norm. What? Which Which of those would you say came first for you because? I think your personality really draws itself to that. Like you're good at that stuff. You're very quick witted and like you think about what it takes to do like some of the the iconic promos that we see of like Macho Man and Hulk and stuff that that's a unique talent that you can get better at. But a lot of it's innate too, and a lot of that is personality driven and you would definitely have that. Did that come because of wrestling, or is that just something that made you a good wrestler?

23:57 So I think I'm gonna answer your, answer your question this way. I found what really worked for me to entertain the crowd, whether I was a heal, which for your audience heals a bad guy. Babyface is a good guy, whether I was a healer or a babyface. What entertained them was the stuff that was entertaining, like the crew in the car. So if I was saying things, I was like making them pop, I could tell I was like, I think this could work kind of a thing because I was. I was clearly getting like the educated minds to to believe what I was saying and doing. So I just started translating that into that. So my first character was I was gorgeous Jordy Lee, when my hair was really long. And I called myself the grizzled young vet. And I basically acted as though I had been hitting the towns, you know, for 20 some odd years and all this stuff. And I was like this great wrestler in my mind. And I I was billed from originally hot land in Georgia, which later turned into hot land in Wisconsin. You know, I even like, spoke with like a dumb Southern drawl, which I was like, well, I'm technically from southern Wisconsin, you know, I didn't say which S you know. So yeah, I was just doing whatever I could to like pop, pop the the people in the back.

25:11 And then I would just pop the crowd. OK, so how did I develop that? I don't know. I think just just dumb luck, you know, maybe like luck plus preparation, you know, because I had a great foundation of awesome wrestling training and I just had to learn how to entertain and I'm pretty extroverted, so I didn't mind the opportunity. Yeah man. So it's kind of like a well, all that floats through my mind is like a comet testing their material and other comics like. It always it boggles my mind how like, you will see a comic rattle off the funniest thing you've ever heard, and another comic will just, like, snicker. You know, they'll just like, huh? Yeah, and when they know, it's absolutely hilarious, but they know.

25:57 I think a comic knows. At least when they can get that snicker, it probably means more than a whole room of crowd of laughs. Yeah, like, one of my, like, go to promos was as a heel. I would come out there with, like, my tag partner Joey Avalon. And I would say, like, all right, this is a robbery. But all your phones, all your bags in this ring and I'll say you have 24 hours with like, a sneer, you know, just stupid, like, really, really dumb. And someone's like, Oh my gosh. Like, you know, there's some random crowd in, like, Marshfield. Like, I can't believe this. Like, what are we doing? Like you have 24 hours and that would say thank you and I'll give the mic back.

26:43 Just stupid, Yeah? So what was it? Heel and babyface. Heel is the bad guy. Babyface is the good guy. And that's that's like wrestling dictionary. So, like the the top levels are calling it the same thing. That's fascinating. You know why? I'm assuming babyface is literally from like the old carny days of like circus wrestling and the babyface was probably just a naturally good looking person. As far as heel, this might be wrong, so if anyone gets angry at me, don't get too angry at me, but I literally think a heel was because they would just they would kick more so they would use their heel. Sure, I could be wrong, but I feel like that's like the circus, like carny definition. OK, Is that where wrestling history stems from? Is the circus culture.

27:30 Yeah. OK, circus and carnivals, Yeah. It was like yard markers saying, like, who dares to fight this man? He aids 300 pounds. He's fearsome, you know? And a lot of times it would be plants in the in the audience, you know? Yeah. Or or it would be a real person and it was real legitimately fighting. And these these matches would go on for like an hour, you know, and they would be exhausted afterwards. And there was a lot of times not a clear winner or loser, but as long as the crowd was entertained, I think that's all that mattered. There was concerns back then even about like if it if there were plants or if they were fixing it or whatnot. But I think that's like the the circle was like well, too late and they would just skip down, right, you know? And then on to the next on to Madison, on to Eau Claire. You know.

28:19 So yeah, yeah, it started on. I mean, Abraham Lincoln was a was a pro wrestler. Really. Yeah. He was a pro wrestler and a boxer, Yeah. I knew he was a boxer, yeah. Teddy Roosevelt, I think, boxed a pro wrestler too, I think just before he took office, yeah. Really. Yeah. Listening. You think, well, you know the when you can try to connect those dots it it makes sense, right? The. The circus is this is this fleeting thing that's in and out that and I think that's part of the mystery or the mystery or the draw of it. It's in and out and then it's on to the next place and it's it's known for the the same type of grandeur and and and draw.

29:02 I had never heard that though. That's fascinating. Yeah, I know. It's like a whole crazy, crazy history of carnies and stuff like that. And yeah, people, you know, famous like strong men and stuff like that with the giant mustaches and you know, doing push ups with with women on their backs and then, you know, wanting to fight someone in the audience. So yeah, yeah, many times, dude. So how many? How many like stage did you call a stage name or what? Yeah, give me a stage names personas. How many of those have you had? So I start off just straight up as Jordy Lee, which that's just like my mom's name. Nickname for me. Just Jordan Lee. Dici. So Jordy Lee and then it was gorgeous Jordy Lee because I had very long curly hair.

29:44 And then when Jordy Nelson left Green Bay or you know, Green Bay chose not just to sign him, resign him, I was like, well, he was the most famous Jordy in Green Bay. And now I'm going to be famous Jordy Lee. You know I'm. I'm the most famous Jordy in Green Bay. So famous Jordy Lee. And then now, now that I'm kind of starting to wrestle again, I'm experimenting with Jords, just GORDZ, because I kind of like that, just charts. You know, do you capitalize the D like I do when I text you? No, I can't. The whole thing is capitalized. All carts. OK, All caps. Let me You're an all caps guy. That's all right, guy. Where did you put on a LinkedIn post once? Like I put a lot of exclamation points or something like that. Oh, I'm a I'm a golden retriever. Yeah.

30:31 Yeah, because you're excited. I'm the same way, dude. I'm the same way. All exclamation points, all capitalized. Yeah, I'm a golden retriever. I'm very excited. Yeah, every day is a gift, right? That's why I call it the present. Every, every. I like that. I like that. Every exclamation point that I put is authentic. I have to. You wean the you you navigate this area of like OK, this person's gonna think I'm a freak. I better make this one a period. You don't care about that ALL caps, dude. Good morning. So it's just Jord's now? Yeah, Jord's. I I have like one or two other names I'm kind of tinkering around with. I'm gonna keep those close to the vest. But I'm, I think Jord's is what I'm going with. So. So how?

31:14 But with getting back into it, yeah, what is the what's the intention around it? Is it cause it's fun and you want to love it again? Yeah, it's, it's fun. All of my close friends still do it, so it's a good way to see them. It's a really fun way to make some money on the weekends, you know? And also, it's kind of cool to see 'cause I have a four year old now, he can kind of see me wrestle like this past week and he got to get in the ring and like rolled around and ran around. He loved it. Loved the whole thing. Does it make him nervous? Does it make him nervous? Seeing you, seeing you wrestling. No, no, not at all. You know he loves it. Yeah. So yeah, I beat up my dad. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

31:56 Yeah. No, I did a show in O'Connell. I did Copper Fest in May and you know, I was a heel and stuff and he booed me and like he. Laughed. He booed you. Yeah, he laughed the whole time. He thought it was so cool, you know, So yeah, it's it's just to kind of pop him and it's a good wave. It's a good reason for me to, like, want to keep trying to get in good shape, you know, like instead of just like, oh, I have to work out today. It's like, well, you know, I'm working out, you know, gotta get TV ready again, you know, so. Yeah, yeah. Which one would you say You thrive as a a heel or as a babyface? Yeah, probably a baby face, because I I have what I call a resting nice face. You.

32:39 Know too. Like it's not too intimidating. It's not like I'm not unapproachable, you know? So I'm just, I'm just natural smiles and stuff like that. And when I was a good heel, when I was like an awesome heel just because I was like finding so much bitterness and so much like hatred in my heart because I was working like a terrible job. I was barely getting paid well enough to wrestle. I was seeing other wrestlers advance of the card that like couldn't even like lace my boots, You know what I mean? Especially like up in Michigan. Not to like poo poo too much on wrestlers or whatever, but like up there I was like man, how is this happening? So it was easy for me to be healed, but like now as like a 35 year old dad, like what's there to be angry about? I can do it.

33:23 I can be a heel, like, pretty easily. Yeah, I'm I probably, I probably always XLS a baby face. For sure. I mean and that that's probably a pretty poignant thing and super relevant, right? Like even though you create these personas and and you're you're making this entertainment, your real self is going to bleed through at times. So whatever you're feeling at that times, and I and I know that part of your journey when you were working a job you didn't love. And stuff like that. So at that times it probably, it probably is resembling of just what happens in life at that moment. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, you know, and you know, monetarily too, like it's more fun being a babyface because if you're getting cheered for like people will buy your shirts more.

34:08 Yeah, there's exceptions to that because like there's exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, if you're a good guy, you're usually going to sell a lot more merch. So sure. Yeah. Yeah. So that it's probably that hearing that it's probably a little bit different intention than it was at one time, right? Because I know you you worked even though you saw those people that were getting moving up the card, I mean you ended up doing it pretty well. And I think we talked about one time that you had an invite to like a WWE try out somewhere or something. So that's got to be pretty exclusive. So now, is the intention different than it was then? No. So I still use stuff for WE. The inside term is, it's called extra work.

34:50 Basically you're, you're getting paid to just kind of hang out, which I mean, for me that's like the perfect job, right? I was going to say, yeah, what do you got in the fruit department, you know? But it's cool because like, you know, sometimes like they need to fill like on TV, they need to fill the scenes of like a, you know, maybe just someone in the background. So you're literally, you're an extra. Like that's what they call you. You're just an extra. So I still do that from time to time. I did that this past January actually, just for fun. So yeah, I mean it's it is, it is somewhat exclusive. It's kind of like a cool thing to to brag about for sure. You know, like all those people that moved with the cart faster than me, like they never did it.

35:34 You know, I know wrestlers who have been wrestling for 25 years and they've never sniffed like WB so and I've done it a ton since like 2016 so. Yeah, And because that was. That was probably, I mean, when you're working towards that the first time, you're probably just trying to get the top of the mountain right is as high as you can go, yeah, for sure. So what would you consider that? What was your wrestling top of the mountain? What was the your marquee match or something? So it was definitely when I won for a local local fed Wisconsin professional Wrestling I finally found I finally won the their heavyweight title.

36:15 So the heavyweight title is always going to be like the top belt for any federation any promotion. So that was it. That was for sure like the the summer of Jords and like that summer like and I like I almost, I basically had to put together like a resume of amazing work like leading up to that where I just, I mean I was pushed. I mentioned before like but my big mentor Joey, Joey Avalon, he pushed the hell out of me. So like, he was like, if you want to be the top guy, you have to put together awesome matches, you have to put together awesome film, you have to have great promos, and you gotta get in really, really good shape. I mean, like, really good shape. So to do that, I basically did an hour's worth of cardio five days a week, and then I would lift for like another hour and a half every single day.

37:01 So if you hear my bones like creaking or cracking when I'm walking around, that's why. But yeah, so that's, that's what I did and I finally won it at Stadium Mania Three. I want to say that was our big show back in the day in 20. Did I say 2016 or 2017, 2016, 20/17/2017? Yeah, it was 2017. And yeah, had a really fun, like, Triple Threat Match. And it was kind of a cool experience because it was a Trump Threat match. So there's three people in it, and the crowd was truly, truly split three ways as to who they thought was going to win. And I was like the complete dark horse. Like, I had my fans and everything like that. But, like, it was kind of already known that, like, oh, that's just Jords. That's just Jordy Lee.

37:43 You know, he's like the pony guy or whatever. He's good. He's a good feeler, a good hand. But, like, he'll never be the guy. And it was pretty cool when I want it. You know, people can say whatever they want about pro wrestling, about how it's just entertainment or how it's a soap opera. But like, moments like that, it felt pretty real, you know? And I remember like, I just sat in the ring. I just sat on my butt. Yeah. I looked at the belt and I kind of like, I saw like a friend of the crowd. And I was just like like what is this like? Made it. Yeah. Like what is this you know. And yeah they held the belt from that was late July, held it till December of that year. So had a pretty good run. I defended it on every single show I was on. Nice.

38:27 So yeah, that was a cool moment for sure. Yeah, very, very cool. I thought that'd be an interesting thing to talk about too because that's a that's a big point of conversation and it seems like it happens between like maybe casual wrestling fans or people that aren't wouldn't even consider themselves fans and then what you would consider more die hard or or like people invested in it. That I mean it all types of entertainment are different in their own way but but like. I think you described that perfectly about how there's the work that goes into it is still there like it's real. Yeah, yeah. And. And for the people who are fans and and watch and travel and see these things like it's real for them too. Yeah.

39:16 Yeah. Because they see the rise. Yeah, When I won that belt, there were people who came up to me, like, they're like, I saw your first match in 2012 against sadists at the Rendezvous in Luxembourg. Like you saw my very first match, you know? And yeah, like the journey is real. Like it is. It is real. Like, it's a very real emotion for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Who's who are some of your like wrestlers that you liked? Like who were your favorite wrestlers like growing up? Yeah, yeah. So The Rock for sure, 'cause he was just larger than life, like he was, Still is, Still is, yeah. Unbelievable with that guy's build. Yeah, yeah, the rock mankind slash. Like Mick Foley was one of his other personas was huge for me. Eddie Guerrero was really big.

40:07 I don't know if you remember Eddie Guerrero, but he was just awesome. He was like, he had just such like a dog mentality, 'cause he was always smaller, but he was just like. He would just like not take any nonsense from anybody. And so I'd say him. And then finally Edge, if you remember Edge, really awesome Canadian wrestler. But yeah, those were probably my, like my BIG4. I'd say, yeah, I always like the guys, like, like with with Mick Foley, it was just like there wasn't a whole lot amazing about him. Like, physically, you know, he was tall. He was like 6, three. He was always like somewhere between 2:50 or overweight, you know, like, you know, But all he did really well is like he got beat up really well.

40:50 He just kept on getting up and like was really positive. So he was always huge for me as like a chubby, like middle schooler, you know, something to kind of like attain to. So, yeah. And The Rock, obviously. For sure. Yeah, how about you? Who's your wrestlers? I never got into wrestling very much. That's why I was exciting to talk. That's why I was excited to talk with you. I never I remember he wore a mask. Rey Mysterio, Junior. I was just going to say that. You narrow it down. Yeah, he wore a mask. He had tattoos. He had a beard. Long hair. Came out the back of it. Yeah, yeah. Raymond Steer. He's still kicking, man. His kids wrestling now. Really. Yeah. Dominic. Yeah. I I I remember liking him because of like the acrobatic stuff like I like to like the off the ring like or off the top rope jumping type stuff and but I don't know. I would I would probably say The Rock too just 'cause I I just appreciate like what The Rock has done in his career. He he is the epitome of being able to like. Build a a brand around himself and and he's genuine too because when he first started kind of tinkering with like acting and stuff while still wrestling Hollywood basically told him like you are too big to be a movie star you are too big. And he actually, like, not only did he kind of cut out the weightlifting, like he got like, he got like lipo done, he got legitimate, like liposuction done to like make himself smaller and skinnier.

42:19 Did he really? I didn't know that. Yeah. And like a ton of cosmetic stuff because he wanted to be more like, more family friendly. And then he just finally was like, well, that's not me. He's like, I love lifting weights. I love eating lots of food. Like I'm just going to be me. He's been great. He's the biggest, like, celebrity in the history of Hollywood. I would say everything he touches is is going to be at least good. Yeah, he's massive, yeah, yeah, but suits have been wrong about. Creative stuff for ages in in different things. I mean, you know, I'm a huge music fan. Same thing happens in music where like I was just watching something.

43:01 So Zach Bryan just released a new album and he has a song featuring the guy from the Warren Treaty and he was talking about his career early on about a A music. Whatever you call, we'll call them like a talent person. For. For a label. Yeah, for representing the label though. And he, this guy has an amazing voice. It's unbelievable to hear him sing. But the Warren Treaty has never made it like huge or anything. But, but they have a solid amount of fans that appreciate that, like the art they create, right. It's not like a big label music. But he was saying that he was in this. This scenario with this talent scout or whatever, and they said nobody will ever buy your stuff.

43:50 Nobody wants to hear like that type of voice. And he is, he's a very like raspy and soulful like compared to Chris Stapleton type thing. And he was like, what about Chris Stapleton and I guess this like, talent person at the time who was hired to scout people that would make music, People would want to listen to his like, oh, he'll be gone and, you know, a few months, don't worry about that. And like, he turns into one of the biggest stars on the planet, you know? And there there's that story that happens you hear all the time in music and anything creative. It's a really interesting scenario and it probably equates a lot to wrestling on like a local scale because when a certain amount of money gets involved with something, there's people that.

44:37 Are the decision makers you know and and they come in, Trust me, we call them suits. Too the suits, Yeah, we call them suits, yeah. They come in and you know, they put you know, supposed like analytics around things and and oh, they don't use analytics. Trust me, they use analytics. They come up with their own BS mentality about why they don't like someone. I mean, yeah, I was the poster child. I believe it or not. Believe it or not, Brad, there's people out there that don't like. Me. Oh goodness. Huh. That must be hard to believe, but I had so many detractors, one in particular who he just he was just either weird or jealous or something. And he just like, I just don't get it. He's like, I don't.

45:22 I just don't get what people don't like about you. And I had so many of, like my peers say like. That's such a weird thing to say, though, because, like, he's acknowledging that people like you. Yeah, but not him. And he would like, try tearing apart like my gimmick, which at the time I wore these tearaway pants, I still kind of do. But the tearaway pants that like the like the basketball warm up pants, my whole thing was that, like, I would come out with that and it was like my Hulkamania, like ripping off the shirt. Like the match does not start until I take off my pants. And obviously there's going to be like, there's going to be female fans that love it, but there's going to be like dudes. I think it's hilarious too. And part of the thing would be like, I would throw them up as hard as I could and try to get them stuck in, like ceiling fans or get them in like the rafters or get them to land on somebody and the crowd would just, like, lose their mind over it.

46:08 And he was saying to me, he's like, I just don't get it. I don't, I don't get, I don't get why they don't, why they like that. And I was just like, you're proving that you don't watch your products and you're proving that you don't watch me. So what what are we doing here? Like, you want to make some money or you want to make some more problems? Like, what are you doing here? You know? So but I was going to say you're talking about music. If it's OK. Linkin Park, right. One of the biggest, like, rock bands of all time, Rock slash. I mean, they're like a. Linkin Park kind of made their own genre of music and they're hard to put in a in a hole. So they were awesome, you know, for all of us dudes that like played sports, like we would play their songs in the weight room, right?

46:48 Like everything. Like Linkin Park was huge, but they didn't really actually get their big, big break until they for the first Transformer movie that came out, the like the Paramount movie studios were like we're either going to go with Linkin Park or like Stained or some other like rock band for like the big single. Like that's going to be attached to the movie, like the big, big promotional single. And someone was like we're running Linkin Park. All I've done Linkin Park, it's right there like that's that's going to be the movie, that's going to be the song that plays in the end credits. That's the song that's going to be featured in the background of the trailers. I'm telling you, this is right. And the guy was like, I think we should go with Stained or Metallica, maybe some other more established rock band. I'm telling you, it's Lincoln Park. Like they have more mass appeal, like, especially overseas and you'll know.

47:37 And because of that, they had a giant, giant second act and they were already huge, like in the US Lincoln Park. And then because of Transformers came out global release, they had this crazy crazy giant like second act. So yeah. That's fair. Lincoln Park is a really just a really. Cool band to talk about because they like. They did it their own way. They made they paved their own path. You might be surprised by this. Probably not. I I remember this very few things I remember from like middle school assignments. But I I did a middle school writing assignment about the song In The End by Linkin Park. And I wrote about, like, the existential crisis of like, in the end, like nothing really matters. And you might be surprised that I was thinking about that. But it's like to reach that person, like that kid, you know, whatever that was 12 year old Brad or whatever, to like the people that were so touched when Chester Bennington, when he when he passed away, just by his lifetime of work of music, that's crazy.

48:46 They they they moved a lot of people and they did it their way. And that's part of that. Like, that's part of that authenticity that gets tamed by those suits sometimes. Suits. Yeah, like nobody was going to, nobody was going to do that to Prince, you know, nobody was going to tell Prince. Like, like Prince probably would have played for $5 in the backyard. To Prince, though. When he performed at the Super Bowl, do you know that they tried telling him that he was going too long or like, and maybe had to cut it short because it was raining and he was like, can you make it rain more? Like, I'm Prince, I'm going to go as long as I want, yeah. Now it's tightened up quite a bit with all the acts that have come since then. They have a really, really hard on and a hard out. But like, Prince was just like, I'm Prince, you know? Yeah, and think about the idiot that would have made that call. Calling Prince off the stage when pouring rain, singing Purple Rain.

49:34 Probably the most probably. God, you could probably say the most iconic Super Bowl moment, halftime experience moment. Oh yeah, for. Sure. I mean, you can talk about the JT and Janet, Janet Jackson thing, but like that's just like click bait, you know, Prince playing in pouring rain with the Purple Rain guitar singing Purple Rain. That's great. Get out of here. Yeah. And the suit trying to pull him off. So you're getting rained on? Oh my God, man. I tell the boys about this in the group chat afterwards. Yeah, I talked about the suits, talking about the suit. Yeah. And I want to, I want to touch on that a little more too, because that was probably a a thing to navigate when you left wrestling for a while after doing it that long, like that's where your circle of people were like that. Did you have any resounding, like, impact or effect from that or or memories of what that was like to just, like, leave that and then probably still try to stay connected with them but in a different way?

50:36 Yeah, you know, that was tough. There was two things that was tough about that as one, kind of admitting that I wasn't going to see my close friends as much anymore. And two, like the kind of saying goodbye to like a person and like, like the Jordy Lee. Like, it's hard saying goodbye to that because I was taught so much how to, like, build a character, but I was never taught how to, like, say goodbye to a character, You know, that was really, really tough. And it's going to sound weird when I say it like this, but I actually got really lucky because like, COVID hit like three months later, so wrestling was shut down for everybody, not just me. Suckers. So. So everybody was disconnected, you know. But it was a little tough to, like, not see my friends as much anymore.

51:21 And I would have some friends to be like, just come to shows and be like, you don't understand how hard that is for me. Like, Oh yeah, I just gave up this huge thing, Walked away from it pretty much at the top, too. Like, I'm not just going to come to a show and hang out, you know, I'm not just going to do that. Or like, they're like, yes, come do this match. I'm like, I just like because my final match was like crazy, crazy emotional, had like so many interesting pieces to it. And I was like, I can't, I can't possibly just do another match right now. Yeah, you know, so. Yeah. So what you you had made that conscious decision and then you had to do like a couple more events to like wrap up the year? Or something. Yeah. So I actually, more or less, the wheels started turning. My son was born in.

52:04 I have to check my tattoo. Yeah, March. That's why I got it. March 2019, About a month and a half later, I was just like, why am I wrestling? Like, why am I wrestling? It's it's dumb. It's hard to do with like a toddler. With my wife and I too. In terms of support system, it's pretty much just us supporting ourselves. We don't have a whole lot of family in the area. So it's not like we can just be like, Oh yeah, Grandma, grandpa, come watch James while I go bleed for dollars, you know? So see, I made the decision in April of 2019 and kind of started like telling like, some of the promoters, like, you know, if we could kind of wrap some things up, you know, that'd be great by like January. And they're like, why?

52:51 What's January? I was like, I just want to be done in January and they're like, what are you going to do after this? I said, I don't know, I'm just going to work. I guess that's a dumb idea. But it actually ended up working out really well because then in October of 2019, that's when I decided to, like go to TC for the first time and like, find out about programs. So January worked out really well because that's when my first class started. Like I had my last match, like January 12th. I cut my hair January 13th and I think I had my first class like January 21st or something like that whenever the winter break ends. So yeah, yeah. It's amazing that it's amazing what the like, that's a, you know, a pretty.

53:38 Pretty deep moment compressed into a short amount of time and it's like I would I'd be willing to guess it sounds like a lot of that was driven by becoming a dad. It's really amazing the change that happens when you become a parent that like the wires work in different ways. It's it's crazy so is it would is that someone would drove that yeah. Just I wanted to be around more. Because it's a weekend gig, obviously you're on the road and and you know, it was like starting to drain on me too. Because it wasn't just like the hard part was never wrestling for 20 minutes, getting beat up, all that stuff.

54:19 The hard part was work, 4045 hours a week. I have to make sure I'm working out at least four to five days a week, you know, So that's an hour each day, hour and a half. I got to make sure I'm tanning a few days a week. So I look, OK, you know what I mean? Repairing my gear, cleaning my gear, ordering new gear, ordering shirts to sell at to basically hawk at shows, so making sure I had a good inventory, hitting up promoters and different promoters across the Midwest, confirming details or trying to get new bookings right. So there's a lot of networking involved, watching matches back, you know, at night to make sure to see how I was doing.

55:03 Yeah. And then they hit the road. I mean, there was some nights sometimes when I would drive four or five hours in a day wrestling and come back same day. So it was a lot, man. It was a lot. And it was just starting to wear on me. And some people can do it forever. I mean, this will be the third time I mentioned them. But Joey Avalon, like, he's going to do it forever, like, literally until his like bones like fall apart and then he's going to repair his bones and he's just going to keep doing it. He loves it. But for me, it was just like it was really certainly wear on me, you know? Yeah. What's what was the geographic range that you were doing? Like where, where, how far did you go? So usually as far South as like Chicago, I would go up to the UP quite a bit. It's like Marinette, Escanaba, Gladstone and then out to Minnesota. I wrestled a ton in Twin Cities for like probably my favorite place, pressing battleground, really cool venue. And then far West of that too, probably about an hour or two West of, like, the Twin Cities.

55:59 So yeah, yeah, man, it's a lot. 100%, I mean, yeah. And I did most of the traveling in my 2002 Buick Century Nice and I retired with like 300,000 miles on it. So yeah, yeah, what? What? You mentioned ordering new gear there and stuff. How, how does that, like, how do you put that together? Like what do you need? And yeah, how do you get it? So there's some stuff that you can buy, like added Dunham's, like your knee pads or like the spandex stuff like that. I know a lot of wrestlers that just they buy, they literally buy material and they just make it themselves. Some people are very talented with sewing, but then for the rest of us schmucks, it's like finding someone online like finding a gear maker. Or there's a couple of companies that are like listed nationallyhighspots.com will do it. Easy money.

56:53 Those are two different sites that will make gear for you. Well, I was just like, hey, do you know, do you know Ben's wife? That's what makes gear. Oh, my gosh. Like, you know, because you want to keep it a secret because you don't want the masses to know because then she's going to get really busy. She's going to lose her mind. Then you'll never see her again. So yeah, So buying gear, making gear. I've had people design gear for me, and I just send off and, you know, send your waist size and that's about it. Yeah. OK. Yeah. So what? Getting back into it you just ordered like what do you call it? A kit or something like yeah, so I can't remember his name, but my buddy Brock turned me on to him, this really awesome gear maker that lives in Mexico.

57:39 That is like awesome. Really, really awesome. And I was like, I just need a new pair of trunks. Everything else fits good. The knee pads are good. The boots are like holding together. I just need a new pair of trunks and I decided to go with like kind of like a royal purple, like a like a real like velvety purple. Because I I don't really. I've never had purple trunks before. I drew the duck blue because I've never seen a blue duck. And I I designed on Canva like Jords on the on the butt because I wanted jords on there. And then on the front, I put these three stripes that represent me and my two buddies, Joey and Brock. And then on the other side, I was like, I like tigers. So I just put a tiger on it and sent it off. And yeah, the guy was like, cool. This is awesome.

58:23 I talked to him over Facebook Messenger. We actually like, talked on the phone on like Facebook, like voice chat or whatever. And he was like, yeah, two weeks I was like, cool. And that was it. And send it to me. And yeah, they fit perfectly so. All right. Yeah. So people can expect to see the tiger. The Tiger's been out about a few times. I've worn some other trunks just to, like, make myself laugh because they don't really fit that well. So it's a little muffin toppy, which is great when you're here, you know, gives them something to talk about. But like, yeah, everything else is holding up pretty good, you know? So, all right. Yeah, nice. I'm a trunks guy, in case you're wondering. I'm a trunks guy. Well, I don't even know what that when I think of trunks, I think of boxers. Is that the same thing? Those are bikers. Those are called bikers.

59:03 So if they're if they're like past like your leg, a little bit like closer to the knee, those are called bikers and the long tights are just tights like the long ones. But so the trunks would be like what Stone Cold wore. They're basically look like, yeah, so I'm a trunks guy, I got these big old legs, got this cheese tattoo, I got to show it off, you know? Yeah, why'd you get a cheese tattoo on your legs? Because cheese freaking rocks, man. Since life is great, cheese makes it better. It's an homage to my dad, legendary cheese salesman, Cheese Judge. I really just wanted A tribute to him, and it's actually the guy who did it. He works for Cortana Tattoo on Broadway. He's been living in Wisconsin for like 10 years. His first cheese tattoo he's ever done. So I'm getting a new one for my mom. Actually, next month I'm going to get flowers on my other legs, so I'm going to have a cheese leg and a flower. It's not just going to be a different kind of cheese. No, no, no.

1:00:04 Does she not eat? Cheese. Of course she eats cheese, man. But no, it's it's flowers from from your mom. You know, for Joads. All right. Yeah, all right. What kind of flower? Marigolds. I'm actually going to start like a whole flower bed on my leg, and it's going to be marigolds first, and then tiger lilies and then maybe sunflowers. Pretty bad ass tiger lilies below the tiger. There's a story there. There's something there, yeah. For a heel, yeah. Man, what would you wear if you were a wrestler, 'cause you mentioned Rey Mysterio So I can see a mask. I would, yeah, 'cause we. Don't want to see that face on TV break? No, I'd have.

1:00:44 I wouldn't wear a mask. I'd have a large beard. OK if I was a wrestler I'd do a I'd do a pretty big beard, cloth wise. I'd probably go like the I'd go like lumberjack route. I think I'd go like flannel. Yeah. Cut off shorts. I. Saw my name next to yours on the card. I'd be like I'm in for a long night. You'd be the heel. Z Man, you'd have to be a baby face with that persona. You know I'd. I'd be the I I'd do that. I might incorporate a chainsaw in my act. Yeah, I I like that and I would be.

1:01:28 I would probably. I'm not as quick witted. I I need to plan my jokes OK. So but I'd be very like I'd be the real like authentic. Like they'd they'd know, you know. Pretty boring, Yeah. I would be boring. Absolutely, Yeah. But. I'll write your promos for you, man. OK. Yeah, yeah. And just tell me what to say. I'm. I'm good at delivering it. You go out there and if you're trying to get the crowd to Boo you, this is one of my go to is you just go. Did you know, like say you're wrestling in Pulaski. Did you know Pulaski is actually an acronym for poops and farts? Because that's all I see here is a bunch of poops and farts. Thank you. Pass the mic. It's the heat and then I'll just Boo it.

1:02:10 Do you have to it? Is it? You probably have to be somewhat family friendly, right? Like you can't have too much like vulgar language. You know, OK, so that's something I go back and forth on because yes, we've got to be looking out for the kids and all that stuff. And that's completely true. But now, especially on basic cable, there's like cursing. I'm not saying we got to be saying F bombs by kids, but like, let's treat them like adults a little bit. Especially. They're like teenagers, you know what I mean? Like. It is a It is combat these parents are bringing their kids to, to watch people beat up, beat the hell out of each other. Yeah. So like, you're not going to say, Oh my gosh, that really stinking hurts.

1:02:52 Like, you know, so I I see both sides for sure. I've actually been fined for cursing at a show. Really. I. Wanted those suits by the suits. Yeah, they're always searching for a dollar. Yeah, well, I was fine for that. And also for for flipping the bird, OK to the crowd. To the crowd, Well, you can't. You can't flip off the crowd. But what was the? How much was the fine? Guess $72. No way higher. Way lower. A truly indignant amount of money, one MC double. Pretty close $5, $5 fine. $5 fine. Five from this suit, one that almost makes you wanna do it and say take my $5.

1:03:46 Yeah, wanna do it? Yeah, as a person who gladly will be told to do something and then do the complete opposite just because I was told to do the other thing, I definitely would do that twice. For $10. I would. Spend twice on Sunday, $5. Yeah, for cursing and for giving the figure. Yeah, a gesture that most teenagers see Mr. Beast do on his YouTube channel. You know what I mean? Yeah, well, you talked about cable TV. Like, I don't know where that snuck up on me, but. Cable FX is huge now. I swearing. Yeah, yeah, cable TV is now like, you know, watching an R rated movie. Used to be.

1:04:27 Yeah, it's it's amazing. Yeah. So I don't know how or when that happened. I don't watch a ton of like TV. It was money. Yeah, for sure. Because like FX and FXX were the big ones that just started sneaking it in a little bit. But then I think they realized like the ratings popped. You know, so like, just go with it. Why do you think that is? Is it because it seems more closely to more close to real life? Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. And. I think our society, like, you know, there's still nostalgia for like the Seinfeld and like the Friends and like Parks and Rec. But even those, like, funniest moments are funnier when you hear like the bleep stuff, you know? So I think it's just society. Yeah, it's it's, it's a real form of talking. Some people say swearing is a sign of like, unintelligence. Like, I think he's just talking.

1:05:12 You know what I mean? Isn't there some, I I think there's some like peer reviewed studies that say that swearing goes hand in hand with truthfulness. Yeah, I could be making that up. I. Am currently trying not to swear as much, so my swear I got this from legendary comedian Bill Burr. Anytime I want to swear, I say. Travis Tritt. So in traffic, I I mean, I curse for sure. A lot of traffic. And I got my kid in the back from daycare. I'm like, oh, Travis Tran, you know, 'cause he started throwing out some F bombs really casually. Like my 4 year olds aren't saying F bombs as if, like he was just getting done in the factory. He was rolling up a cigarette and he'd be like ma man F and a you know, I'm like, OK, that's for me. So I need to I need to correct this a little bit. Yeah, you had apple juice today.

1:06:04 Your life is not that bad. Yeah, yeah. So you Are you a stand up comedy fan? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Jim Gaffigan, Bill Burr, Mike Birbigula. I saw him live. He was awesome live. Ryan O Flanagan is really, really funny. People that can do it clean amaze me. Yeah, I have. You know, there's probably like a pretty close parallel life that, you know, they say that like you know, of all the existences, like there's probably a close parallel path that I'm on that I'm a stand up comic in a different one. You can see that. But I don't. I I find it unbelievable when people can do it clean and still make it really funny.

1:06:47 Legendarily clean. Absolutely. One of the. Yeah, one of the greatest clean ones. You know who I love his stuff and I've only seen shorts of it, but it's and I don't even know how to say his last name. It's like Nate Bargatze. Have you seen any of his stuff on like TikTok or anything? I'm sure I've listened to it on like Pandora or something like that. Yeah, it's great man. He's hilarious. And it's all like family friendly, like relational comedy. Love. It cracks me up and I don't know the the people that can do it cleanly. I I think that's an art form all in itself for sure. Yeah, it's it's. I mean, it's their playbook. You know, they figured it out. But I swear, sometimes when we were working together, I would come up to be like, so what's the deal with airplane food? It's not made out of airplanes.

1:07:35 Why are we eating it? You're just, like, stupid just to make you laugh. Just really, really dumb, dumb jokes. Yeah, they're gonna get me every time. Yeah. You still eating food out of a jar? Yeah. So I did make a couple salads in a jar this summer. I'll I'll never completely get rid of that The the switch to that was that my schedule changed a little bit so like lunch was at home more often and I I did that same concept but I would have it all as you would expect in containers and I would make a salad each day. Yeah tell me that wasn't mobile. It was so. So I would make these salads in a jar with this awesome homemade dressing and and tell me it didn't look good, like it was layered. It kind of looks like sloppy food. Oh, it did not look like sloppy food. Layers of deliciousness that what you would The dressing was on the bottom.

1:08:31 You would, you would, you would always. You wouldn't dump it out too. You'd go like very van away, yeah, yeah. And the the pile. Of trash would dump on your plate the pile of deliciousness and the key was the dressing is on the bottom. So then when you flip it upside down, you have a salad. That dressing goes over the top air, completely covered. Completely covered. Oh my gosh, no. I I was dumbfounded the first time I saw that. Just a a glass jar. You're just like skipping, you know, just whistling away. You're so proud of it. It's good. Yeah. And I'm eating like cheese covered hot dogs. Yeah, keep on laughing. Keep on laughing.

1:09:11 Laughing up, chuckles, Do you have a big salad? You know, like a big salad? Yeah. I can get you A2 salads and two two small bowls. Man, what's your go to TV right now? Go to TV. I'm burning through Entourage. I've never Have you ever watched Entourage back in the day? I've never watched it before, but a pot I listened to kept on suggesting it. I was like, screw it. I'll watch one episode and I'm halfway through right now. Very, very funny. Johnny Drama is my favorite character, yeah. Because I just love how sensitive he is. And I love how anything's a callback. Any opportunity's a callback for him to talk about his previous career.

1:09:57 Giant drama like long time. Like, you know, bit actor. He'd be like, you know, they didn't mind my work on 7th Heaven. Yeah, yeah, that reminds you. You watch only murders in the building you watch. No, I don't. It's on the list though, Steve Martin's character, and it does that. OK, constantly. When did we change from TV being a thing to now? It's like a chore or like a bill. You ever noticed that like we had a kid? But no but like before that though too, it's like. Have you watched Stranger Things? You're like, no, I'm a little behind this month. Can I get you next month? Like watching TV feels like a chore now, so you can keep up with the Joneses. Yourself. Like, are you caught up? Like no one's caught up.

1:10:39 I'm still working on what we do in the shadows, maybe in like a month or two. You know, like when things settle down, I can watch, You know, like, it's just, when did it become this thing that was? It feels like a chore. I think it's because there's so many different options for content. Too much, yeah. Like there's no way you can watch it at all. I don't. I don't. I don't watch much TV, really. Or like see. Now that bothers me. That's such a George thing. You know what I don't like? Yeah. That was a George thing, yeah. His uncomfortableness makes me uncomfortable. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I don't, I don't watch a ton. But I get what you're saying, like, and I think it's another like, it's a low hanging fruit conversation, right? Like it's a it's a way to we don't always connect as humans, I don't think the way we want to or should. So I think that that's a way that we can feel like we do, even though we're talking exclusively about content outside of the realm of both of our realities, you know, But that's it's interesting.

1:11:44 I still, I I try to like I, I we've been watching all the murderers in the building. But like I, most of my TV time is consolidated around live sports. OK, well, like, you're right around the corner. Football's right here. Yeah. Yeah. You love football. You're so much football guy. Yeah. Yeah. Are you doing fantasy this year? Do you do fantasy? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Do you ever find resentment from the people who are like, I don't do fantasy football anymore? They wanna rub your face in it. You ever get that kind of that person? It's funny you say that. Bothers me. So they say it like that. So Dan, the shows producer and I have been in a fantasy league for a long time, and another one of our best friends is that guy. Now Mr. I'm not gonna do fantasy anymore. It's because it got boring.

1:12:25 It got boring. I don't care about these players. It's too much work. That's what they always say. I'm like, you're on your phone right now. You could set your line up right now. The same guy does a weekly the PlayStation 4G league where he he goes in around. Sounds awesome, but that's that's something you can cut out too if you don't have time. Mr. We've been doing this for a long time. I did a draft last night. It took me 45 minutes and I did it while I was playing Xbox. Like, it's not that much effort to do to set it to, you know, But yeah, that's. I've ran into a bunch of those people lately, like my friends from back home. Like, I'm so glad I don't do fantasy football anymore. It's like, great. I'm so happy your life is so much better. Yeah, that would be like if I that would be like if I started advocating like I don't watch TV. So that makes me better.

1:13:13 That makes me better or you still you still drink water? And I smell water, actually. Like, it's the same thing, you know? It's like you're not a snob, like because you can hack it, like don't make fun of me because I love it, you know? Or you're doing 5 leagues as you're you're crazy, man. Like, yeah, I am. It's my free time. Like, yeah, I don't know if I could do five. You're in five. I'm doing 5 for the first time. I almost did six. It's a lot. I kind of want to do 10 next year. No, because 10 so. The best part about fantasy football is the drafting, right? Yeah, so I just want to get that thrill as much as I can. I do mock drafts. I start doing mock drafts early July June 13th. I do.

1:13:56 It's fun. It's a hobby like. I I pay my fourth round pick. Retired. I. Pay my bills. I I work 40 hours a week. I exercise every day. I drink my water. I brush my teeth. Why can't I just have fun and fancy football? Raise another human. You can have that. Raise another human? Yeah, yeah, I'm in five this year and I'm actually, I'm drafting two of them at the same time on Sunday. Does you have two devices going? I do. I will have two devices going, one on the laptop, one on the mobile, no. 22 phones I'll have my work phone and my my personal. Different, different apps to ESPN and Yahoo. Nice. Yeah, it can be very confusing. But yeah, yeah, you love live sports.

1:14:37 Do you watch? Are you going to be watching college football this weekend? I don't watch college football. You're that guy, huh? Yes. Yeah. You know, I don't even know any of their names. I don't. I don't very. I can't even watch it. It's too high, scoring very few of them. When I get ready for fantasy football, like for rookies, I just watch highlight tapes. Or you have YouTube, yeah. YouTube study session, yeah. You like college football. I don't know the the entire power dynamic around college football, college sports in all. But football in particular drives me up a wall. I've hated the bowl game scenario for as long as I can remember. Like these two garbage teams that were like, you know, eight and six or something, just over 500 and they're going to play in like the whatever, the Oklahoma student bowl.

1:15:24 Yeah, like it. I don't. It's all a money grab to me. It is I I don't like it at all. So it yes, it is a money grab. But for those like University of Louis, Louisiana Tech S that plays in that random bowl game, for those players, that might be the their last game that they ever play or the biggest game they ever play Because like, one of them could have a 10 sack game and then all of a sudden they're invited to the NFL combine. And the yada, yada, it rolls up downhill like that. So I hear what you're saying, but I think there's quite a bit of romance when it comes to like college football especially for sure. OK. No, no. Why do you say to people that there, I mean there is. I don't want to, I don't want to discredit that that individual human's journey.

1:16:09 Like, yeah, that might be that. It's probably the biggest stage that 95% of them are ever going to play on, but I just don't like. I don't. I don't like the whole setup of it. Yeah, and and now that they're changing conferences too, it's getting pretty crazy and it's more money ish than ever. But I'm still kind of fascinated with the idea, with these, with these, so starting back from like high school football players, right? These are usually they're going to be like the biggest people on on in their school, you know what I mean? And then they go to a college program. And they're like all the way at the bottom again, even if they're like a top recruit, because they usually have to wait a year or two or sometimes three years to start. And then they get to the top of their college program and then they make it to the NFL.

1:16:55 And like, they're just again, bottom of the roster. You know what I mean? So, like, to me, I just love that journey of like up and down, up and down. And like, I love watching preseason games for that. I love seeing the scrubs. I love seeing these like, random dudes Duke it out. So. Yeah, I I saw the journey of of college football into the pros for sure. That that human concept does fascinate me. Where like that's a that's a hard mindset to achieve in sports. Because like a lot of times the best players get there not only because of their physical gifts and the work they put in, but who they are mentally. Like the people that that end up being the best think they're the best. Yeah, so that's really hard to transition to. Like think about that. You know, being they just cut 52 when we're recording this, they just cut down to 52 a couple days or 5353. 9096 to 53 or something like that, Yeah.

1:17:45 And like all those people that got cut are like pristine athletes that have to go into that camp thinking they're the absolute best. And then the next thing you know, like they're back to their, you know? They're They're trying to figure out they're. Gonna make a practice squad if the XFL or USFL will pick them up, or if they're gonna go back to finishing their education, maybe, Or if they're like, well, I'm gonna go work at Home Depot. Yeah, like, I love it. I I also am fascinated with the idea of like maybe this was more when I was 2122, but when people were entering the draft. And like another 21 year old was like 6 foot five, ��360.00 or whatever.

1:18:29 Like to me that's crazy. That's an impossibly sized person and they're just huge. Like it's just, it's just crazy to me. So, yeah, Really speaks to, like, what the human body is capable of. You know, like you talked about before, like their physical gifts. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that that pretty much that encompasses a lot of my TV time these days. But yeah, and another reason, secondary reason why I can't or I wouldn't get into college football is because like the amount of time I spend watching NFL football already, if I doubled that like I would be, you don't. Have like, an inclination to just turn on, like, badger football on the radio at all? No, no, no, no.

1:19:11 That's probably another reason why I don't like college football that much because the Badgers football has been frustratingly it's bad to watch for as long as I can ever remember. Yeah, like I don't want to watch like ground and pound quarterback who really shouldn't even be out there throwing 7 * a game. And like, hopefully we have a good line in running back again this year. I don't want to watch it. Like, yeah, and so here, here's the epitome of of my distaste for for college football. Yeah, here we were playing cards the other night and a couple of my friends are huge college football fans. And I said, so who's the, like, who are the, you know, top 4-5 teams in the country right now?

1:19:57 And I rattle off the names that I thought they would be dead on. Yeah, he's like, yeah, pretty much. Alabama, yeah. Yeah, I hate that. Like I I don't even watch it. I I don't even know who's going to be good. But like. Just by saying that, like, the NFL is not like that. There's parity in the NFL. Parity. Yeah. So I don't know. And I yearn. I yearn for parity in professional sports. I don't like baseball either, because they've gotten a little more parity. But I mainly don't like baseball because it's kind of slow. But, and in baseball too, it's like more so the NFNFL. It's who has the most money, who can build the best, best team. But yeah, yeah, NFL is the best, 100%. Those people who say like hockey is way better, I'm like sure hockey is fine, but like you can't be the drama of the NFL game. Like I would say that's what my dad says too. Like any football is usually better than no football, you know?

1:20:48 So like I'll take, I'll take Lions versus Cardinals. Like I don't care. I'm going to enjoy it for with my 5 fantasy football leagues. My 2. Phones. Yeah. I was talking with Dan a couple weeks ago, actually, about red zone. Yeah, red zone. Yeah, he likes Red Zone a lot. And I've never, I've never dipped my toes in the red zone. Because one of the things I like appreciate about football is I like watching the story from the beginning of the game to the end of the game and all like the the stuff that happens within that as far as like momentum and the little things that, you know, the opposing side will pick up and come out and hopefully make adjustments for after halftime and stuff. And just trying to like think what's going to happen next and what happened already.

1:21:33 So I don't know that you know, supposedly the adjustments thing is a hoax. I've I've heard from many former players on podcasts that the adjustments thing is a complete hoax. Adjustments at halftime, Yeah, because they have their play scripted out like so. An opening drive on offense. No matter what happens, the 1st 25 plays are set in stone. So like more than likely This is why I've heard I'm not. I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I've heard that, like the term we made adjustments at halftime is usually false. I could see it could be at sometimes, especially like called plays and stuff. But schematically especially from defense trying to contain offense, I I failed to believe that.

1:22:18 You know, it'd be tough to like see. You know, if a team comes out and they're primarily zoned that day or something and they're just getting, you know, just creamed in in that, if they won't switch in some man concept or switching that, you know, to a different zone concept or whatever it may be, yeah, yeah, yeah, 'cause you can't tell me. If the Chiefs comes out this year of their first 25 plays, probably 10 are going to be scripted with Kelsey being a. Yeah, and if he gets hurt, they're not gonna run those plays to Luke Bell or whoever is behind him. Yeah, my my main deterrent on Red Zone. It's gonna sound really weird but I really love cuz I don't watch a ton of like local TV outside like watching the news in the morning. I really love seeing the previews for all the terrible looking like prime time shows like Rescue 911. Like all these weird ass shows like I love, I eat those up these terrible looking shows of like they're three lawyers and like they're best friends, but they're shenanigans afoot like and it's a comedy somehow.

1:23:25 And I just think to myself, like how do they keep pumping out these shows? Like the same doctor procedural, the same lawyer procedural like, but there's got to be a reason for IT. People gotta like them. I want to know who watches those It's it's it's people who. Like, who is watching season 35 of Survivor? Yeah, like, I think that's still on. And Survivor, Big Brother, real world. Yeah. The real world's not still on, is it Really. So No, I'm. I'm sorry. I'm thinking of the Challenge. The Challenge is still on. But yeah, real world. I don't think they do the real world that much anymore. But yeah, like, I love all the weird syndicated or like broadcast TV shows. I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

1:24:06 Who's watching it. Who's watching it. Yeah, because my parents, my parents love Big Bang Theory, so they'd probably eat that stuff up. Well, that's like, that's like CW reruns now, isn't it? Big Bang Theory, yeah, but they have, they have cable up in Tomahawk. I swear they only think they have one channel, and that's the channel that Big Bang Theory is. What channel you got on Big Bang Theory? Big Bang. They say Big Bang, Just Big Bang. Yeah, Big Bang. I mean, I've only watched a little bit. It's funny. No, it's not. No, you dare say it bangs trash. I've only do it. It's made me, it made me chuckle a couple times. But I've only watched it with it. Like in passing at someone's house.

1:24:47 It's your generation. Your generation. I bet you're a big Putty guy too, huh? Oh, Putty. Yeah, no, not putty. Bandia. You're you're a closet Bandia fan, aren't you? I'm. Just going to get Sue, Yeah, you want to say that meal for later. What would you do in that situation? I mean soup's the meal for, for context, for the millions of people listening or watching whatever this media. Is hundreds of millions, probably. The context is that Jerry Seinfeld is offered a suit from a terrible peer comedian named Kenny Bania that he dislikes quite a bit. He's a true hack comedian. And Bania says, I'll give you the suit, No, don't worry about it. And Jerry's like, can I give you anything? Can I give you anything?

1:25:28 He's like, you know what? Tell you what, don't just buy me a meal sometime. Which is an innocent enough gesture, right? But because he dislikes Bandy so much, he's like he's dreading it. So then they finally go out to the meal, a really nice restaurant. Bandy is like talking up the swordfish. Talking up the swordfish. You got to try it. It's the best. The best, I tell you. It's the. Best. The best, Jerry. The best Jerry orders, and then Bandy goes you. What else? Get the soup. Save that meal for another time because he's having such a great time. Soup's the meal. Soup. Yeah, well, sitting Down's the meal. Right, Yeah. The act of meeting and having that is the meal, I think. Yeah, I can't. If I'm doing a Seinfeld rewatch, I can't watch that. So it makes me too angry, the societal contract there, that's that's the meal.

1:26:16 Sitting down is the meal. Yeah, yeah. If if he gets a glass of water with a little bit of lemon in it, that's the meal. What's your favorite Seinfeld episode? Oh man, my favorite Seinfeld episode. I think it's it's a Putty One. Later season, it's when Putty's now working as a car salesman, no longer grease monkey. I don't care for that term. And he he buys here, sells a car to Jerry and just like George gets frustrated from losing a Twix bar multiple times. Putty and Elaine are having troubles, Jerry's getting screwed over on the car rate, and Kramer test drives the car and leaves it full of leaves it empty, no gas whatsoever.

1:26:59 I think that's my favorite. OK, yeah, what about you? It's tough. I like. The one with the cigar rollers is unbelievable. Keeping them in those drawers, Yeah, that one's fantastic. The the the one with the What do they what do they even call the little the tip calculator. Oh, it's a it's a Wiz. The Wiz? No, no, it's a Wiz wizard. The wizard. Yeah, yeah, that one is. It's a tipping calculator. Yeah. How does? It does more than that. Yeah, it has multiple functions. That one's fantastic. I don't know if I had to pick a favorite, though.

1:27:40 It would probably be Kenny Rogers Chicken. Kenny Rogers Chicken's amazing. That is a fantastic one. Or the one where this is probably just moment, but when they bring the sign the the. Golf ball back that they plucked out of the bull. Yeah, yeah. Of the wheel. Is that a typist hole in one talk? About Hole in one. Yeah, I picked more moments a lot. You know what's amazing about that show is you could say any. Single storyline from that show. And I'd be like, Yep, I know exactly what you're talking about. But then you could tell me another storyline that was in the same episode and I would have the no idea. Yeah. Because like you, they did such a great job of being siloed in these stories within the episode that they didn't even go together.

1:28:29 But it's still like lives in the same area. I'm I'm going to take back my answer. My answer is when they're all going on the subway and it's like season three, Elaine has to deliver a gift to like a lesbian wedding. George has to. Or, you know, Kramer has to try to pay off his parking tickets, but say he goes for the mutter the the horse bets. Jerry wants to go to Coney Island but gets stuck with a nudist, and George ends up with a basically a escort that robs him blind, more or less. So yeah, that's my favorite episode for sure, Yeah. That is a really good one, yeah. Or the The Licking Envelope episode where Oh my God, she was exposed to some cheap glue. Yeah, that was a controversial episode. People didn't like that they killed off Susan, but she's fine with that.

1:29:18 The actress is fine with it. She thought it was funny, but very. Controversial at the time. Like there were Susan fans. Yeah, they thought they there. There's like justice for Susan, like Reddit boards and stuff. But she actually didn't get along. Or, yeah, George Costanza. Or that the actor Jason Alexander, They're not like working with her at all. Reddit was a thing at that time. Well, there's Reddit now. I see what you're saying, yeah. Looking into the past? Yeah. Are you a Reddit guy? I use Reddit for search a lot when I wanna. When I wanna, like get an answer that I know has no like corporate fluff, I go to Reddit. Very fair. That's awesome. That's how I use Reddit. I love Reddit. Do you? I love. I've read it.

1:29:59 I've I've read it for like the podcasts I follow, video games, all kinds of stuff. I love Reddit so much. I I I actually engage with on Reddit probably more than any other app I'd say I use. And I'm addicted to social media. But I love Reddit way more. See. It's all coming back around. LinkedIn to Reddit, right? You're on threads, right? Are you on threads? LinkedIn threads No threads The the the social media account threads No the the Mark Zuckerberg Twitter offshoot threads. No. Oh yeah. Off of Instagram, right? Yeah. No, I haven't used it yet. OK, it's pointless.

1:30:40 It's very, very. Pointless. It's just it's just them seeing a seeing a a gap where people might not stay with X because of whatever. And then maybe we can command a little market share what what's your stance on X and and Elan? I don't know. You don't know? I have no idea. He he's such a wild card that you just don't know. Like there's nobody else in the. Probably. Probably the world that would like try to do what he's done like just by. I can't remember what he paid for X, but it was an absorbent amount of money like it was in revenue too. Yeah. And he's seemingly from the outside, looks like he's just running into the ground. Yeah.

1:31:23 So I really have no idea. I I don't know. He's a. He's just out there enough that like I don't think he particularly cares. Like he's got he has access to more money than he'll ever use. So it doesn't matter. And I think he's a very, he seems like a very stubborn individual. So like, I don't know people that are set in their own ways like that and I don't. I don't. I particularly have an opinion. I I haven't. What do you call it now? You used to call it tweet. I haven't exed in a while. I don't know. You haven't. You haven't exed anyone. No, I haven't exed anything. No, I don't know, man. No, I yeah, Twitter's like I was a little, I was a little heartbroken when stuff started going down on Twitter cause Twitter was my favorite. But it's like, yeah, he's running into the ground. It's all weird.

1:32:13 It's all like the it's all for the love of free speech which it's like that's a weird concept and it's own that's it's own debate. But it's like, I feel like he could do so many good things with that amount of money and he just doesn't, you know, he could probably make it so, like no one ever has to pay for college ever, ever again, you know? Or he could end child hunger for the rest of our lives. But he's just like, I'm just going to buy Twitter instead, you know what I mean? He could, he could make, he could make these electric cars. You know, a lot of them have their flaws, but like, we could end our oil consumption probably within 25 years if you made the electric cars way cheaper.

1:32:57 And he would still be a billionaire and say he wants to be a trillionaire. See, the weird thing about it is that I don't think he even particularly wanted to buy X like I. It seems like one of those things where he got kind of caught, just like he got goaded. Yeah, he got like, you know, caught like both not boasting, but like kind of like. You know, showmanship. Like, oh, I could do this and I could do that And somehow contractually, like, they got him to somewhere with it seems like they like he signed a paper in the back alley that like he didn't want to sign or something And then deep in the fine print was like, you actually bought XI. Don't know how it all played out, but it's just it's really weird to watch. Come to life.

1:33:39 Yeah. Well, and especially in our line of work to come for that marketing piece. That's the NWTC term. Sorry. That's Yeah. Piece. Everything's a piece working on that piece of it. It's just weird to watch. It's just weird. Like it's just weird to watch what he's doing with that. And you compare it to other social media and stuff like that, and it is a huge part of our work and a huge part of our lives. So on one hand, we're like we want to enjoy it, you know, because like, we grew up because yeah, you're you're what? How old? 30 what? What are you? 6, 36 Yeah, I'm 35. Yeah. So we grew up with these social media things as like, it's just, it's another thing, right? But it's going to be something completely different to people in like 10-15 years and it's almost gonna be like we're we're in between VHSS to like the next thing. Basically, it's just it's just really weird to look at, man. It's really, really weird to look at every once in a while, you know, like in the Matrix when he's has the blue pill or the red pill.

1:34:38 This is what I think about once in awhile. This is a really deep thought. But like every once in a while, I wish I would have taken like, the blue pill when it comes to digital marketing, so I could enjoy my social media just a little bit more. But like, I'm happy to be awake, you know what I mean? I'm happy for my great education, but every once in a while I'm like, I just wish I could like, go back to enjoying these ads, you know what I mean? Or like the fluff you talked about before. I wish. I wish I could just go back to enjoying the fluff. But instead I see, I see the SEO of it all. I see like the targeted advertising, you know, so that's a that's a little bit of a Ransky. You know how the points get you to where the end The heat maps are following my eyes, as you know. And yeah, but.

1:35:21 Yeah. Appreciate you coming on, Jordan. Thanks Bud.