Garrett Dietz - Driftless Trout Fishing, Marketing, and Passions - Ep.#4

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Figure it.
How's it going, Brad?

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Good man.
Glad to have you.

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Glad to be here.
I love the space.

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Turned out good.
It turned out really well.

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Yeah, I've never, I've never
claimed to be like the master

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Carpenter.
Yeah, but it turned out alright.

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It's not all tongue and groove
or anything, but it looks great.

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Yeah, if it's the theme too.
Yeah.

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So what?
What happened last night?

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Did you find out?
Did we win our golf league?

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Yeah, we did.
And I got a drink out of

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Heather.
I got her by two strokes.

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So she she honored the deal.
And yeah, we won the golf

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league.
So good end of the season.

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Are you playing Fall League?
No.

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OKI need a partner then.
Yeah.

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What a way to find out.
Thanks.

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Thanks, man.
Yeah.

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How's the how's fishing been
this summer?

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I haven't had a chance to get
out with you.

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It's been good and I've went
quite a few times down to the

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drift list this summer, which is
a little bit of a change for me.

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And then also, you know, I went
to Montana there and fished by

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Yellowstone.
So done a lot of diverse fishing

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opportunities, a mix of fly
fishing and spin this year, but

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had a lot of fun, took some new
people out and got them engaged,

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interested.
It's always fun doing that.

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I think the best time of the
year was I took my dad out for

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Father's Day.
Fish.

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Some new sections of water ended
up landing like a few dozen

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fish, but just had a really nice
morning.

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Went out early on Father's Day
morning, a great way to start

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the day.
Coffee in the car, chatting with

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my dad, so that's cool.
That's probably the best time of

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the year.
We didn't catch anything like

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crazy size, wasn't coming back
with a 5 inch brown or anything

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out of a stream, but just caught
nice brookies and had a good

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time.
Yeah, you talk about the

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driftless a lot.
I'm excited to go down there.

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I mean, as you know, just
getting into trout fishing, I've

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always been a bass guy and you
kind of got me hooked on it.

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What, like for the people, maybe
the occasional trout fishermen

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are people like I was like, you
know, fish the Bay a lot for

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walleyes and bass and perch,
stuff like that.

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But I had never really gotten
into Trout that much.

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Like, what is, what is that area
of our state like, and what

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draws you there so much?
I know you go.

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You go there whenever you can.
Yeah, there's quite a few

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things.
So I grew up in the UP and that

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is totally different.
Trout fishing.

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I mean, you're coming in with a
machete sometimes just to try to

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get back to the streams.
It's so thick and the drift list

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is the complete antithesis of
that.

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I mean it is.
Flat farmland, it's easy access.

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The Wisconsin DNR has a ton of
easement access, sort of the

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counties, so fishermen don't
have to just keep their feet wet

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to be legal in the streams.
So there's a lot of public

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access.
So it makes it a fisherman's

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paradise really just to get to a
lot of good water.

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Another thing is the DNR did a
lot of restoration work probably

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30-40 years ago in the 80s into
the 90s of stocking those

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streams.
To just rehabilitate them

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really.
And they have the exact same

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stream habitat as in Europe.
Those chalk streams, those

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limestone streams are all spring
fed down the drift list.

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So it's literally paradise for
brown trout.

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That's their natural breeding
habitat.

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So the population is just crazy.
It feels more sometimes like

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catching than fishing.
So that's one one to lure and

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then also the size I mean.
Some real trophy fish down there

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and some real awesome
opportunities.

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So I think that's what keeps me
coming.

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It's easy to fish, it's fun.
You can go with a group.

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There's tons of awesome
properties to rent down there.

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We we do an annual family
fishing trip out for Turkey trip

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down there.
So yeah, I think that's that's

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kind of what keeps me coming
back.

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Yeah, talking about the
easements, man, you've got a

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really funny story this year.
So some go through farm fields,

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right?
And what what happened again?

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It was like a he got charged by
a bull or something.

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Yeah, so I brought my
brother-in-law down there for

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the first.
Time ever to the drift list for

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an extended stay.
He actually was the one that

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helped me scout it out.
Like six years ago we did a day

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trip.
We left at like 3:00 in the

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morning, got back at like 11 at
night and just fished like and

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how we're at 7 different streams
to try to see what was good.

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And that was really our test.
We took him back for the first

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time for a three night stay
right before the 4th.

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And I told you, waited six years
until he got back.

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Five.
I don't know the exact

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timeframe, but he's been fishing
me a couple times since then.

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But he was been at college,
things like that.

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So he's a little younger and
we've had some interesting

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experiences where like, cows
will cross right in front of

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you.
A whole herd.

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Like you said, it goes right
through farmland.

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It's public access and the
farmers are really chill about

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it.
But you do have to keep your

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head on a swiffle, so to speak,
because this year Jason was

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coming up the stream and he said
he heard a snort.

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And he looked up and there was a
bowl standing right there and he

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was posturing at him and then he
took, you know, those big round

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metal hay feeders like 6 foot
circles.

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The bull took that and bashed it
into the stream next to him,

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knocked over some trees.
Jason's like, I know it's only

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public access, but I need to
Sprint because he's scared.

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So he just booked it across the
field.

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I got back to the car and the
bummer was I was on a different

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stretch, no cell service.
He had to wait in the car for

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four hours for me to finish
fishing my stretch because it

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was like a mile and a quarter
each and we just were hopping

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bridges.
So he had to really think about

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what he did.
But no, it's always interesting

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down there and I've had bulls
snort at me or like I said,

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cattle Ford the river right in
front of you and you just kind

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of back off a little bit.
Give them some space.

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They're big animals.
Mostly nice, but.

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You never know of bulls, so
yeah, that's always the watch

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out.
And he found out the hard way.

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That's all those stories that
lives in like camp history,

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though.
Yeah, you know, like that one

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will go, that one will go down
in in the books.

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Oh yeah.
Speaking of books, you all keep

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at your deer camp saying for you
from the UP, Yeah, you keep a

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really cool log, too.
I think a lot of people do that

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at their camp.
So when did you start that again

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of like deer harvested and
stuff?

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Yeah, I mean, it's everything
people visited, like pranks

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played, deer harvested.
I think my grandpa.

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I built the camp 76 I think, but
in there late 70s, mid 70s and

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since the day it started there
was a log.

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First entry in the log is when
the camp was built, naming it

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Ted's temple after my
grandfather.

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And yeah, every year so we can
go back and see.

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We put in wind, temperature,
bucks, scene bucks harvested.

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And it's really interesting just
to see over the years and we put

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in what crop was in.
So we've noticed that when

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soybeans planted, we have a lot
of acreage.

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My grandpa was a farmer, so he
still rents out that property to

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some farmers to harvest.
And when soybean is in there, it

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seems like our buck yield goes
up.

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So just it's interesting to see
that over the years and kind of

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some of those trends.
Yeah, it's fun to keep history

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and.
There's some fun stories in

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there, too, some of them not so
legible late at night, you know,

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typical camp.
Absolutely, Yeah.

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Are there any?
It's awesome that that's a big

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part about, you know, the
enjoyment I get out of hunting

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is the, you know, finding those
patterns and learning the

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animals and spending time on the
doors.

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What, what kind of patterns have
you learned about Wisconsin

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trout?
Like what?

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What do you see in that?
Like is, you know, if water goes

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down, do you catch more after
rains?

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Like what patterns do you see
there?

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Yeah.
Well, that that's complex.

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That's actually a really good
question because it depends to

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on what type of fishing you're
doing.

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So if I'm fly fishing, it's
going to be different spin

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fishing, if you're just throwing
a spinner or a streamer like

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you're just trying to still hit
the holes, whatever you might

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target, you know an upper
section of the stream as the

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summer goes on and those trouts
start to stage for spawn and

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late fall, so they will migrate
up towards the headwaters.

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So just where you're fishing
might be different.

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But then, after a rain, you're
going to see if you're matching

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the Hatch with flies.
A lot more things get

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terrestrials is what we call
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We'll get washed into the
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So then worms are in the stream
where you've got grasshoppers or

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other bugs that have been washed
in from heavy rain.

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So then you're switching your
tactic and trying to match that

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hatch, so to speak.
So that's another thing.

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You'll see the trout, especially
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If you catch them, you'll notice
that they've got worms, just

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stuff to the gills.
They're just gorging themselves

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on the stuff that gets washed
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So it's really interesting.
I think it's rainfall, it's time

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of year and then temperature is
a real big thing for trout.

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And I don't want to get like too
scientific or technical, but

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also being conscious of when to
fish.

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Trout are really, really great
indicator species for stream

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health.
I've talked about that and like

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the more scientific side of like
Burke trout, they have a mucous

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membrane, right?
They don't scales like a

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traditional fish, so they're
susceptible to like pollutants

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in the water, things like that.
But another aspect is in the

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water temperature, it's really
high.

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And we've noticed that in recent
years, setting record highs in

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Wisconsin that you don't want to
fish midday when the water

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temperature is at peak because
that stresses the trout.

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So a trout without stressors,
without being caught, can

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survive up to like 80, maybe a
Burke trout.

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Brown trout are really
resilient.

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They can almost get to like 9088
or something like that where

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they'll survive.
But if you catch them in that

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condition, then the cortisol
level goes up and then they're

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stressed and then the chances
them dying if you're catching

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and releasing go up
dramatically.

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So there's also considerations
with water temperature for

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safety of trout and just a
sustainable fishery.

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I know that's a little nerdy,
but that's that's the stuff I

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geek out on and get passionate
about.

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Yeah, it's awesome that and
that's some like, that's one of

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the reasons that indicator
species things.

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That's one of the reasons that
brook trout are not only sought

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after, but like that's you find
them in kind of more untouched

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areas, right?
Yeah, that's been less impacted

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by human development or human
activity.

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Yeah, Crystal Clearwater.
You know, really, really calm or

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like interesting pockets
underwater, falls when you're

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hiking back to places.
Like, I always tease my wife and

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she laughs.
But every time we go past the

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stream, no matter where we are,
we're traveling across country.

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We're in the Bahamas is like you
think there's trout in there?

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Are there's trout in the?
I don't think so, no.

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I I don't know for sure.
But I'm going to go with

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probably not.
Definitely not our kind of

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drama.
Yeah, No.

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Like sea trout are real.
But I don't know.

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It's a good question.
I asked that question and no one

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answered me in my hypothetical
nice Do you do any of the trout

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in the Great Lakes?
Do you get after lake trout or

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the big Browns in Lake MI or
anything?

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No, not a lot.
I have done some charter fishing

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in Lake Superior.
Super great if you're trying to

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harvest food.
Cold water temperatures.

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I mean, those fish are about as
tasty as you can get.

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They're so good to smoke.
Yeah, yeah, Any way you make

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them, they're just that cold.
Temperature keeps them fresh, so

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a little bit of that.
Not a lot though.

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I'll do some of the stream run
fishing just to see if I can

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catch something.
Spring fall when the Browns will

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come up in stage before
spawning.

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I try not to fish, drink, spawn,
but you can get some big trout

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or it's cool even if you don't
catch them.

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You see giant trout in little
streams like as wide as this

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table, and there's like a 30
inch trout in there just staging

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for spawn.
Yeah, and you're just like,

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that's pretty sweet, yeah?
How did this happen, man in the

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in the inland streams, that's
kind of how you got me hooked.

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Seeing big fish in where you
feel like they shouldn't be or

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like you never would have
thought they were like that's

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what one thing that really is
appealed to me since you kind of

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showed me the ropes of this is
like that the 1st place that we

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went, like we didn't catch any,
but we saw what a handful,

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almost a handful of Browns that
were over 20 inches and like it

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seemed like we were walking in a
puddle.

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You know, that was wild to me.
And that's that's the appeal to

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me.
That's really neat.

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And that's, I think like the
purest form of the art, I guess

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I call it, but sight fishing.
Is especially with fly fishing.

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Like you're gonna go and you're
gonna look for that trout you

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can see either rising or staging
and really shallow water maybe

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sipping on this surface or
holding its spot and in really

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clear conditions and nice rivers
like that, especially small

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ones.
There's only so many places they

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can be.
So once you learn to read the

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water, like, oh Dang, look at
that thing and then you can cast

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to it and really work that one
fish.

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And that's, that's the beauty of
like, once you really get going,

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it's like, wow, I'm gonna really
dedicate my time to 1 fish maybe

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today, or maybe only five holes,
and really try to target that

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big fish.
You know, if you're looking for

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a trophy and just looking for a
picture or whatever, there's a

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lot of reasons.
But yeah, that tug from a big

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fish that's unmatched.
Yeah, absolutely.

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Just seeing them in that
environment was really cool to

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me, man.
So kind of flipping that

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something for you.
It's a you know, in in life

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there's things that we start and
that we've done forever, and

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then there's everything in the
middle, right?

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You're on what your your third
year of golfing like, Seriously

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now?
Yeah, yeah, The trout was all

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life.
Yeah, that's like, since I was a

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kid, I ain't got a picture of,
like me with a brick trout.

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My father and I was like 4.
Yeah, but golf, Yeah, not so

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much.
I worked at a golf course in the

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kitchen.
Got to golf either reduced or

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free.
I golfed once and I was so

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frustrated and I told them about
it and they're like, maybe you

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just shouldn't take advantage of
that benefit.

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So yeah, no, I I didn't really
golf until, yeah, just about

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three years ago.
I didn't know that part.

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So, so you as what Dish?
Washing dishes.

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Or, yeah, I wash dishes, help
cook, things like that.

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And I don't know, you kind of do
everything in a small golf

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course.
But yeah, yeah, it did not go

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well.
Like one or two times I went,

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yeah.
So what's got?

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What's got?
It seems like you're hooked on

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golf.
What?

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What's the journey been like
since starting a couple years

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ago?
Until now.

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I think it's the delusion of I
could be good.

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Yeah, that's what hooks you like
you hit, All you need is 1 good

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shot and everyone jokes about
it, right.

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But Brooke always laughs My wife
when I get home.

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I'm like, you know what on whole
5.

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I birdied it.
And that's the longest hole on

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the course or whatever, right?
And then you, you're like, I had

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two great shots.
Like, you know, I stayed in the

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fairway and then you're like, I
could do that every time when in

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reality it's like, Nah, I'm
going to hozle it the next time

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and on the next hole I'll
probably like 3 Putt.

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But it's that delusion of
wanting to be good or that you

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put in the time and you see
incrementally those changes.

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I think that kind of answers
that question.

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I think I took it my own way,
but I don't know.

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It's just it's a fun sport and
it's.

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I'm always competing against
myself and I think that's I

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always wanted to improve, right?
And looking at it week to week,

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I don't feel like I am
sometimes.

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And that's frustrating.
But I just golfed 18 and I'm not

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great, right?
And I'm a high handicapped

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golfer.
I've been golfing for a few

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years, but I was like, I broke
90 on 18.

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And a year ago I wasn't even
thinking, I'm like, can I get

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under 100 right?
And it's just to see over time,

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like, yeah, I go into the range
playing a lot of grounds, like.

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It does pay off and it's fun to
see that improvement.

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Like I said in the in the small
term, short term, sometimes you

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don't see that and then you just
fix it on that one good thing

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and that delusion of I can do
that every time.

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And like, yeah, if I I always, I
think you tease me and other

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people sometimes that I have a
really interesting outlook on

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golf.
I'm like always the perfect

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line.
But it was internal optimist.

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Yeah, you're the eternal
optimist.

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But it was funny.
Art short.

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Well, I try to be, so I think
it's that too.

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It's like, you know, my missus
aren't as terrible.

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I'm not in the woods 24/7.
And it's just fun to be out

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there.
And I like to start my days that

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way.
I don't know.

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I have a membership where I can
go out and get a three first 336

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thirty tee time.
That's back to Troll Fishing

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300.
Yeah, Yeah.

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Or I think 2:00 AM this morning.
Yeah, this year.

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That's a whole nother story with
the DN.

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Yeah, we don't need to get into
that movie, but no, I so I'm

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getting up early and I can even
get around him before work

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sometimes.
So I've really been trying to

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play cuz I want to be good.
I don't like that doing things

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if I don't feel confident or
whatever I do.

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So that's part of it.
I think that journey, yeah.

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And I mean you talked about
earlier like a 10 stroke

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difference in one year.
That's like, that's a golfers

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dream to make a 10 stroke
difference in one year.

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That doesn't, you know,
particularly happen a lot.

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It's one of those slow burns.
Golf.

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Is that like, you know, you feel
like you said earlier, you feel

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like you take one step forward
and then you can play around two

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days later and you take 2 steps
back.

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Oh yeah.
And and that's the frustrating

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but exciting part cuz then
you're like, I gotta go back cuz

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I know I'm better than that,
yeah.

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But I might not be.
Let's see you never really know

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the the the skill level of golf
or like even when you talk about

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a handicap is probably the best
reflection of it.

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But it's still not a good
reflection of how you are as a

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golfer because that day
determines how you are as a

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golfer.
It it's always different like

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you can go out one day and even
from the range to the round if

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you go on the I'm not a huge
range guy but sometimes if I

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have time I'll get out there and
you hit some good balls.

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You're like, all right, today
would be a good day.

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You get out and shoot 5 strokes
worse than you thought you were

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going to or like.
I mean as you've seen the the

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past two weeks, my putter has
just went ice cold.

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Yeah, ice cold and I've lost.
That's been the difference of

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probably 4 to 6 strokes around
for me just by not having putts

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drop.
And then things start happening

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like yesterday where I lip out
two that were that I felt were

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good.
I like, I felt like it was a

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solid putt.
Like that's going in.

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Things are right in the ship and
then they lip out.

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So then where does your golf
confidence go and where does

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what happens with the game.
That's why I that's what keeps

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me coming back and that's what
have, I don't know I probably

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started when I was 10 or 12 or
something and the the ebbs and

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flows that continue to happen
are are just like it's a really

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good reflection of life.
Like there's a there's a really

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cool life adage of like, you
know, you've probably heard,

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like ride the wave or whatever.
Like, don't try to impact what

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happens to you.
Go along with it and react to

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it.
Golf forces you to do that

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because there's nothing that you
can do about it.

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Yeah, I think especially someone
that's been golfing for a long

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time.
Like you said, since 10, you've

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really experienced all the highs
and lows.

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I'm still on the lows for the
most part.

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Well, sometimes there's no time
to say that.

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Well, it's still, it's
improving, right?

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Like I'm.
I'm still somewhere down here on

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the slope.
Eventually I want to get up

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here.
But it's a fun journey.

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I'm not disparaging the process
at all.

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It's actually really fun to go
out there and just put in reps.

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There's something about, you
know, using your hands or

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anything like that, like just
that repetition.

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And there's some sense of
serenity in that.

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Right.
And I think that's the beautiful

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thing about golf.
And you always walk and you

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always talk about.
Yeah, usually you walk.

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I ride.
I'm lazy sometimes.

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Don't like the heat doesn't
agree with me.

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But no, I think you would also
talk about that where it's just

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like it's calming and that
actually helps you kind of get

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in the right frame of mind of
just, you know, feeling the

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ground under your feet and like
walking up to the shot and

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thinking about it.
There's something nice just

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about being outdoors.
So I'm sure you can talk more on

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that, but I don't know.
Yeah, absolutely, man.

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I like 2-2 summers as I was
graduating high school, which is

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a long time ago now.
But two summers I there was a

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course close to my hometown that
had like $150.00 membership that

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I would buy for students.
So I would wake up in the

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morning and at that time I I
played.

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I'd like my whole life pretty
much revolved around football.

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But golf was like a secondary
love of mine.

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So I would wake up in the
morning and either do my lift or

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apply metrics or whatever kind
of workout I was doing.

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And then I would go to the golf
course and usually golf 18 to

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36.
And I would, I would do that

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still very early in the morning,
like I would have that, try to

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have that all done by like noon
or something.

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So golf takes a while, but that
was one of the most you

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mentioned serenity.
I mean, that was one of the

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most, like, you know, peaceful
routines that I ever had.

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Of course, there's a lot of less
obligations in life at that

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time, too.
But like, that's a, it's an

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awesome feeling, man.
Like, there's nothing better to

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me than an early, like, getting
the first tee time.

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And especially if there's some
dew on the grass where you can

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see your footsteps walking and
then just starting to walk

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around.
At that point, most of the time

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I I don't really think about the
score too much and I don't

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really think about the game.
And that's more of like that's

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an enjoyment of life that comes
outside of competing against

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myself or someone else or
anything.

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That's just one of those things
of a lot of the reasons why you

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fish too.
Yeah, you know, it's not always

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about the fishing and it's the
same way for golf sometimes.

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Yeah.
And I I kind of lost that a

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little this year.
Like, I was so focused.

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I want to be better, right?
I'd put in my air pods when I

450
00:20:32,430 --> 00:20:34,630
started the round, like said,
going early in the morning.

451
00:20:34,950 --> 00:20:37,830
And I did that like 2 rounds.
And I was like, what am I doing?

452
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:40,150
Like, I don't hear any of the
birds tripping anything.

453
00:20:40,150 --> 00:20:41,310
Like I need to just take a
break.

454
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:44,910
So the last few times I've went,
I had no air pods, no music.

455
00:20:45,070 --> 00:20:46,350
I'm just out there in the
morning.

456
00:20:46,350 --> 00:20:48,510
I mean, the rounds are quick.
When it's just you right in the

457
00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:50,870
morning like that, especially
when you got that 6:30 or

458
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:53,310
whatever tea time you're, we're
in 15 minutes or whatever.

459
00:20:53,310 --> 00:20:57,020
You're not waiting, right?
But it's a lot more peaceful.

460
00:20:57,020 --> 00:20:59,860
And I also found that I scored
better or I just felt more

461
00:20:59,860 --> 00:21:02,700
confident, cuz I just felt like
I was in the moment.

462
00:21:03,060 --> 00:21:05,500
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, like just what you

463
00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:09,220
said, just kind of relying on
just like the the presence and

464
00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:11,180
just that Dewey grass and the
birdsong.

465
00:21:11,180 --> 00:21:13,420
And it's not, I'm not competing
against myself, I'm just

466
00:21:13,420 --> 00:21:15,220
enjoying it.
And then you tend to do a little

467
00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:16,740
better when you're not
overthinking, Right.

468
00:21:16,860 --> 00:21:18,780
Absolutely.
So yeah, What made you?

469
00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:19,980
What made you want to start
golfing?

470
00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:21,020
What made you want to get into
it?

471
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,920
I think.
I think our work league okay,

472
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,880
that and a really good friend of
mine started my wedding.

473
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,720
One of our best friends.
Pretty good golfer golf this

474
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,080
whole life.
I mean, grew up on a golf course

475
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,520
and talked about it a lot and
how much fun it was and.

476
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,440
So I think my first time I was
like, hey, I'm gonna, I want to

477
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,240
do this league at work, but
would you give me like a little

478
00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,760
mini lesson?
I don't know what I'm doing.

479
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,800
Like I can I played baseball.
I know the swings not really the

480
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,800
same, but it's a, you know, a
hand eye coordination sport.

481
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,440
Like maybe I can figure it out
and it wasn't great, but I made

482
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,640
contact and I was like, yeah,
good enough to try this league.

483
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,320
And I live right next to a
driving range.

484
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,600
So I put in a lot of time that
first month that just like he

485
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,680
gave me like two or three simple
drills.

486
00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:07,890
And I was like, I'm going to
keep doing these until I can at

487
00:22:07,890 --> 00:22:09,970
least make consistent contact.
I don't know my distances.

488
00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:11,650
I don't know anything.
I didn't want to make a fool out

489
00:22:11,650 --> 00:22:14,290
of myself.
So I think that was my initial

490
00:22:14,290 --> 00:22:15,770
motivation.
I was just like, I want to be

491
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:18,210
social.
I was hired at my current job

492
00:22:18,210 --> 00:22:20,090
during COVID.
So it was a really good way for

493
00:22:20,090 --> 00:22:23,290
me to know people like I knew
like maybe 6 people and out of

494
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:27,530
office of, I don't know like 30
in that area and hundreds at the

495
00:22:27,530 --> 00:22:29,210
company.
So I don't know.

496
00:22:29,910 --> 00:22:33,310
It's just like maybe a desire to
be more social or get outside in

497
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,710
a really weird time.
Yeah, I think that's kind of

498
00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:38,070
what kindled it.
Yeah, absolutely.

499
00:22:38,550 --> 00:22:42,990
It's a really great the league
we play in is a great usher into

500
00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:45,710
golf because it's not like
people are going out there to be

501
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:49,430
ultra competitive and that have
been golfing for a long time.

502
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:52,230
Like, there's people that have
golfed less than much less than

503
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:53,550
you.
And yeah, they're just starting

504
00:22:53,550 --> 00:22:55,870
and it's kind of a fun one to,
you know, start.

505
00:22:56,190 --> 00:22:57,950
With well, it's super
competitive.

506
00:22:57,950 --> 00:22:59,230
We started that.
We won the league.

507
00:22:59,430 --> 00:23:01,190
Oh yeah, Yeah, yeah, super
competitive.

508
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:02,430
Really hard.
We're great golfers.

509
00:23:02,590 --> 00:23:05,270
Yeah.
No, it is actually.

510
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:07,590
That was one of the reasons or
one of the things I think kept

511
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:10,590
me around was it was just fun
and like said it's a great way

512
00:23:10,590 --> 00:23:13,470
to meet people and people of all
skill levels.

513
00:23:13,790 --> 00:23:16,310
And I think that's a really good
way to get more people into

514
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:17,780
golf.
Because I would like, I said.

515
00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:21,380
I think that was one of the main
motivations for me, and I don't

516
00:23:21,380 --> 00:23:23,620
think I would have gotten into
it otherwise.

517
00:23:23,660 --> 00:23:27,220
And I'm really glad I did.
Yeah, I had a fun conversation a

518
00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:29,020
couple weeks ago.
Somebody asked me that question.

519
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:32,980
I can't remember where I was.
I was obviously golfing, but I

520
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:35,460
can't remember where.
And somebody asked me why I had

521
00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:39,660
started golfing, and I can
remember it vividly.

522
00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:41,980
I never would have started
golfing without Tiger Woods.

523
00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:45,140
It's it's so weird to have
followed his career trajectory

524
00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:48,760
and and kind of like as one of
my childhood heroes like follow

525
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,600
along with his life and to see
like smash milestones and then

526
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,960
crash down to as low as anybody
can go and then come back and

527
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:02,160
then crash down again it's crazy
but I'll never forget like I I

528
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,480
had paid 0 attention to golf as
a kid and none of my family were

529
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,680
golfers so nothing like pushed
me in to golf and and I hadn't

530
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,040
really paid attention to it
until I started seeing like

531
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,800
Tiger Woods highlights and it
made it exciting to me.

532
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,400
Yeah I was always a huge like I
can never remember not just like

533
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,280
loving football more than
anything like watching it on TV

534
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,880
and just being completely
entranced.

535
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,240
I still spend way too much time
watching football, but I

536
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,310
remember like, Tiger Woods
bringing in electricity to the

537
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:35,870
game.
That had always been kind of

538
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:38,350
boring to me.
And when I hear you say

539
00:24:38,350 --> 00:24:42,070
something like getting people
into golf, that's been like a

540
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:43,790
minor passion of mine in my
life.

541
00:24:43,790 --> 00:24:46,590
Like, anytime I hear somebody
saying, like, they would like to

542
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:49,630
try golf or if they want some,
like, introductory tips or

543
00:24:49,630 --> 00:24:51,070
something.
Like I've always jumped on that

544
00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:54,590
because like it's such a
wonderful game that flies under

545
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:57,270
the radar for so many.
Although I think the popularity

546
00:24:57,270 --> 00:25:00,770
has grown.
You know, I mean if you're a

547
00:25:00,770 --> 00:25:03,330
middle-aged dude you probably
play golf a little bit now.

548
00:25:03,930 --> 00:25:07,770
But I like seeing other other
like demographics get into golf.

549
00:25:07,770 --> 00:25:12,130
Like it seems like I don't know
if there's a a smaller league

550
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:14,730
before ours or something, but
there's always a lot of

551
00:25:14,970 --> 00:25:17,970
seemingly a lot of ladies that
tee off before us on the same 9

552
00:25:17,970 --> 00:25:19,570
in our league night.
That's awesome.

553
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:22,370
I love seeing that the, like
watching the LPGA Tour grow

554
00:25:22,370 --> 00:25:26,570
slowly is cool and like, it's a
hidden gem, man.

555
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:28,690
It really is.
And without Tiger Woods I I

556
00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:31,130
never would have done it.
So I don't know who that is now.

557
00:25:31,130 --> 00:25:34,770
Like, I don't know who's
exciting kids to golf.

558
00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:38,130
I think it's more probably like
YouTube, like influencers.

559
00:25:38,130 --> 00:25:41,050
Golf influencers have really
taken off and I think they've

560
00:25:41,250 --> 00:25:44,770
brought a fun dynamic to the
game and I've been introduced to

561
00:25:44,770 --> 00:25:46,890
a few different ones.
But I think that's another

562
00:25:46,890 --> 00:25:52,530
exciting aspect that golf isn't
just a $7,000,000 prize purse,

563
00:25:52,530 --> 00:25:55,660
and everyone's super serious.
And you can have fun with the

564
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:57,980
game still.
And I see things sometimes on

565
00:25:57,980 --> 00:26:00,340
social media of like A1 Club
Challenge.

566
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:04,140
Can you play nine holes with
only A7 iron or driver off the

567
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:07,580
deck for one hole only, right.
I think some of that silly stuff

568
00:26:07,820 --> 00:26:09,900
is just a way to get some eyes
on the sport too.

569
00:26:10,420 --> 00:26:12,560
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah.

570
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,800
And I was just going to ask
producer Dan what the name of it

571
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,400
is, but there's a there's a
TikTok account called Bob Does

572
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Sports.
Have you?

573
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880
Oh, yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I do.

574
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,320
Yeah.
Like with Joey, Cold cuts and

575
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,160
like when he went.
And some of it's not even about

576
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,960
golf.
But like, a lot of their content

577
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400
revolves around golf.
And I could definitely see that.

578
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:37,240
I could definitely see like you
know a kid my age when I started

579
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,680
golfing.
Now seeing Bob does sports.

580
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,640
I mean like that looks fun like
I hang out with my buddies like

581
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,120
he always talk whenever I think
of him.

582
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,760
I he did like 4 videos a row a
new restaurant opened in his in

583
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,000
his town in his like area that
he lives and they had these good

584
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,200
Caesar wraps and he loves
Caesars if you watch the.

585
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,040
Sports.
Like, I'm not maybe that close

586
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:58,160
of a fan.
Oh God.

587
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,320
And he talked about it and he's
walking around and like, he's

588
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040
eating a Caesar wrap.
But at all, like it started with

589
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,320
golf and that's where that's the
home of the content.

590
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:12,270
And like stuff like that is
hopefully the next round of

591
00:27:12,270 --> 00:27:16,470
exciting.
Because now sports coverage has

592
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:20,310
evolved to a place that I think
everybody sees it and it like it

593
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:24,030
commands our our culture.
Sports does in a way.

594
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:28,190
Like I was listening to
something earlier this week

595
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:31,310
where I'm trying to remember how
they worded it.

596
00:27:31,630 --> 00:27:34,790
But like, it was just it was a
list of like influential people

597
00:27:34,830 --> 00:27:38,060
in one way or another.
And like, it seemed like 2 out

598
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:42,180
of every three were athletes.
And it's weird to think about

599
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:47,460
how that's evolved.
So that piece is in place now.

600
00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:53,420
How do we get it to, you know,
somebody that doesn't want to be

601
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:56,180
on the PGA Tour but they want a
hobby with their friends or

602
00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:59,540
something like that?
No, I mean, I think that's such

603
00:27:59,540 --> 00:28:01,560
a good.
And observation.

604
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,400
And I think it's interesting
that you said most of the

605
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,720
influential people are athletes.
But it makes sense too, right?

606
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:08,920
That's who gets all the screen
time.

607
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,960
Like you said, it commands our
attention.

608
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,400
Our culture revolves around
sports.

609
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,560
We have so many sports analysts
like shows, and I love it.

610
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,480
Yeah, there's a sports nerd too.
It's fun.

611
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,440
But also other people that are
in the space, like Bob does

612
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,080
sports and then I know it's
good.

613
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,330
Good, right?
It's a it's a group of younger

614
00:28:27,330 --> 00:28:30,450
guys when they're young, 20s.
I think that inspires a lot of

615
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:33,610
young people.
I don't know, there's just a lot

616
00:28:33,610 --> 00:28:36,450
of really cool influencers in
that space that are doing good

617
00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:39,050
things.
Yeah, I know that sometimes

618
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:42,010
influencer can be a dirty word
that's just monetization or what

619
00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:44,730
the goal is, right?
But there's also some really

620
00:28:44,730 --> 00:28:47,890
great things happening.
It depends.

621
00:28:47,890 --> 00:28:49,930
I think you can tell motives
really easily.

622
00:28:50,250 --> 00:28:54,570
I think you can tell motives and
and like reasons for making the

623
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:58,330
content, Like some of the stuff
you look at and scratch your

624
00:28:58,330 --> 00:29:01,330
head and it's like goodness that
makes money, but it does because

625
00:29:01,330 --> 00:29:05,330
it gets views and then there's
other people that do things just

626
00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:09,250
because the, you know, for the
love or the want to do

627
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:11,410
something.
It's interesting people that

628
00:29:11,410 --> 00:29:14,410
like people keep asking me like
why, why I started the podcast,

629
00:29:14,410 --> 00:29:16,210
what was, what was in my mind
about it.

630
00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:18,810
I don't have a great answer yet.
I just like talking to people.

631
00:29:19,770 --> 00:29:21,250
So I don't know.
I don't.

632
00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:22,410
I don't have a great answer,
but.

633
00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:24,170
You like talking?
No.

634
00:29:24,930 --> 00:29:26,330
And I don't know.
I I don't.

635
00:29:27,330 --> 00:29:28,690
I don't know, but I know it's
not.

636
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:31,810
I'm probably not going to make
millions of dollars, but if I

637
00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:36,010
did, it's cool.
But, man, I don't know.

638
00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:38,250
You know, Speaking of sports,
talking heads too, I saw this

639
00:29:38,250 --> 00:29:42,170
morning, you ever see that that
old clip where Richard Sherman

640
00:29:42,170 --> 00:29:45,090
was on First take and just laid
in to Skip Bayless?

641
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:46,850
I'm like, I'm better than you at
life.

642
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:51,400
Skip Bayless, I heard this
morning that Skip Bayless, now

643
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960
that Shannon Sharpe retired, is
putting together like a new

644
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,920
lineup.
I don't know the show is going

645
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,480
to be called or anything, but I
guess Richard Sherman is going

646
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,080
to be one of the people on it.
Like it seems like he's going to

647
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,600
have like a First Take vibe,
like rotate through people.

648
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,040
And I'm not a First Take fan.
I'm not a Skip Bayless fan.

649
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720
I I don't.
I think that, like, knee jerk

650
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,080
reaction is the type of content
that I don't like.

651
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,850
Like I like, like authentic true
content, like the shock value.

652
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:25,690
Like I think the Cowboys are the
pastor and This is why.

653
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:30,490
But that might be like something
I tuned into because like

654
00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:35,050
thinking about that history and
where they are, it's probably

655
00:30:35,050 --> 00:30:38,410
going to lead to a, you know, an
interesting conversation.

656
00:30:39,050 --> 00:30:40,370
But here's the weird thing about
it.

657
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:44,930
I I spent like 5 minutes just
digesting this news this morning

658
00:30:44,930 --> 00:30:50,710
and thinking about it and Skip
Bayless being who he is.

659
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:55,710
Even that interview with Richard
Sherman, he probably ate it up

660
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:58,710
on the inside.
He probably loved it because he

661
00:30:58,710 --> 00:31:01,750
knew it was going to go viral.
He does it purely for the

662
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:05,910
attention seemingly, and I think
he probably loved it.

663
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:09,110
So there probably is no bad
blood there, like they probably

664
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:12,510
shut the cameras off and he
probably said, hey, thanks

665
00:31:12,510 --> 00:31:14,390
Richard, good interview.
A great episode.

666
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:15,990
Like, seriously killed it.
Yep.

667
00:31:16,270 --> 00:31:19,310
Well, didn't he make some really
crazy remarks about DeMar

668
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:21,190
Hamlin?
Like to keep playing.

669
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:24,390
Like, I know that's old now, but
like, just like you said, that's

670
00:31:24,390 --> 00:31:28,830
the type of like, super
salacious, like predatory

671
00:31:28,830 --> 00:31:30,830
content.
Like just just for the views,

672
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:32,630
just for the memes, whatever it
is.

673
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:35,310
Like, yeah, I don't maybe
gravitate towards that, but it

674
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:39,090
is, I mean.
Any good or any news is good

675
00:31:39,090 --> 00:31:40,610
news, right?
Any press is good press.

676
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:43,010
Like, I feel like he embodies
that saying.

677
00:31:43,890 --> 00:31:46,090
Yeah, yeah.
And Shannon was.

678
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:47,850
Shannon seemed pretty good on
that show.

679
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:52,290
I I've watched probably a total
of, you know what, two hours the

680
00:31:52,290 --> 00:31:53,410
whole time they were on
together.

681
00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:55,650
But it was all probably clips on
TikTok and stuff.

682
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:58,610
Less for me, yeah.
It's it's tough watch.

683
00:31:58,930 --> 00:32:04,210
I don't know how it stays on so
long and keeps going, but at the

684
00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:09,730
same time it's a, you know,
that's the weird symbiotic

685
00:32:09,730 --> 00:32:13,690
relationship between how sports
has gotten where it is and then

686
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:17,810
what happens around it and how
you can make money.

687
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:20,050
And the content made it similar
to the influencers is kind of

688
00:32:20,050 --> 00:32:24,370
where I wanted to circle that
into like there's there's some

689
00:32:24,370 --> 00:32:25,330
cool stuff.
Did you watch?

690
00:32:25,450 --> 00:32:27,810
Did you watch Quarterback yet?
I have not.

691
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:29,450
You told me to watch it.
I'd.

692
00:32:29,450 --> 00:32:31,290
I haven't gotten around to it.
It's good.

693
00:32:31,290 --> 00:32:35,530
And Peyton Manning was in Green
Bay like a week or two ago.

694
00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:38,730
Really.
I'm assuming that that means he

695
00:32:38,730 --> 00:32:41,130
was probably here to try to
convince Jordan Love to do it.

696
00:32:41,730 --> 00:32:46,210
It could be for something else,
but I hope so that I think

697
00:32:46,210 --> 00:32:48,930
that'd be super interesting.
But the first season was great

698
00:32:49,090 --> 00:32:55,540
and it was really well produced
and it that's the kind of

699
00:32:55,540 --> 00:32:58,140
content I'm looking for.
Like, yeah, true.

700
00:32:58,140 --> 00:32:59,900
Behind the scenes stuff, It's
good.

701
00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:01,820
Yeah, I'll have.
I have to check it.

702
00:33:01,820 --> 00:33:03,140
It's on my list.
I know.

703
00:33:03,140 --> 00:33:05,220
Like similar to that.
Did you watch any of the Untold

704
00:33:05,420 --> 00:33:08,340
series on I Just Watched the
Johnny Manziel.

705
00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:09,740
One, OK.
I haven't watched that one yet.

706
00:33:09,740 --> 00:33:14,060
I watched shoot.
The name escapes me.

707
00:33:14,340 --> 00:33:19,380
It was the Notre Dame linebacker
with like, yeah, yeah, I mean,

708
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:21,500
some of those are really good.
Like, I don't know, just a

709
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:24,440
really interesting look.
Yeah, behind the scenes, cuz you

710
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,360
don't get that right as a fan we
get, we get the, the polished

711
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,120
view that, you know, the press
team is approved or like, you

712
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,760
know, the really glamorous, like
the highlight reel.

713
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,280
Right.
And I feel like that's a lot of

714
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,920
social media now is just it's a
high right of your life, right?

715
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,760
You can't live in 32nd clips.
There's a lot more that goes on

716
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,720
in your day.
But it sure looks good

717
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160
sometimes.
Yeah, but yeah, those those are

718
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,440
really interesting.
Is it similar to that, the

719
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,240
Banzel one?
Yeah.

720
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,640
Oh yeah.
Well, even the quarterback like,

721
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,760
oh, a little.
Or is it more just it follows

722
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,520
them for a season.
Quarterback gives you a unique

723
00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,440
look into what they actually do
to do their jobs well.

724
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,400
One thing I'll say from
quarterback is I came out with a

725
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,560
strange appreciation of Kirk
Cousins.

726
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,679
Like I never, I never thought
that that would really be

727
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:12,880
something that came out of my
mouth.

728
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,199
Like I I've I've thought Kirk
Cousins is an underrated, as

729
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,280
underrated as an NFL quarterback
for quite some time.

730
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:19,800
Time.
Like he's really solid.

731
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,280
He gets gets the short end of
the stick all the time, largely

732
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,360
because of how media portray
him.

733
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,080
But I came out with a really
strange appreciation of Kirk

734
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Cousins.
He is like one of the most

735
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:40,159
normal dudes you'll ever see and
his commitment to his craft is

736
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:42,560
unbelievable and you can see how
he balances.

737
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
A large part of it is how they
balance it with their full

738
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,670
lives.
So like how he stays present as

739
00:34:48,670 --> 00:34:54,710
a father and a husband was
really interesting to see and I

740
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:59,910
think shines a new light on the
athlete per se.

741
00:34:59,990 --> 00:35:04,150
Because I think we're in a place
where athletes, because of the

742
00:35:04,150 --> 00:35:09,150
platform they have have become
these figures that people look

743
00:35:09,150 --> 00:35:16,310
at sometimes as like other
otherworldly or like not like

744
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:20,900
you're fellow human right.
It's like with people feel like

745
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:24,260
they can disparage them from a
keyboard or like just be

746
00:35:24,260 --> 00:35:28,100
complete like you know animals
against other people for lack of

747
00:35:28,100 --> 00:35:29,660
a better term in my mind right
now.

748
00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:32,980
And I think quarterback did a
really good job of humanizing

749
00:35:32,980 --> 00:35:36,660
that and and showing that and
that's why I would be excited to

750
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:38,820
see Jordan Love's journey this
year.

751
00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:43,060
It would probably be a huge
distraction, but at the same

752
00:35:43,060 --> 00:35:47,020
time, like, talk about
something.

753
00:35:47,100 --> 00:35:54,300
Remove all of the sport from it.
Remove the absolutely crazy love

754
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:58,100
of the Green Bay Packers that
Wisconsinites have, all the

755
00:35:58,140 --> 00:36:02,100
tumultuous stuff that happened
with Aaron Rodgers front and

756
00:36:02,100 --> 00:36:04,860
office management.
Remove all that stuff Jordan

757
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:07,500
Love is a human right now.
Can you step into those shoes

758
00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,660
and think of like, wow, here,
this is my turn to do this.

759
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,500
Just an unbearable amount of
pressure to perform.

760
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,800
In a sport where your
performance is measured in like

761
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,760
fractions of a percent of, like,
decision making, right, Or like

762
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,240
as a quarterback, split seconds,
right, like that's all it takes.

763
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,920
I don't know.
Yeah, I'm glad I'm not that.

764
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,920
There's a reason that I'm not a
professional athlete besides

765
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,520
MY57 build and like my slightly
pudgy.

766
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Yeah, whatever.
There are reasons, those are

767
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,560
some of them, but I think
overall it's because I don't

768
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,000
know if I can handle the
pressure, man.

769
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,120
It'd be that'd be must see TV
for me to be able to take take

770
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:49,520
that in like you and a lot of
them are built for, right?

771
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,560
That's how you get to that stage
in the 1st place.

772
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Like, he's no stranger to a
field stadium playing football,

773
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,960
but at the same time there is a
certain amount of weight that

774
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,290
comes with that whole situation
that like probably is making

775
00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:08,970
him.
I'm assuming it's his choice if

776
00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:10,010
he wants to be on the show or
not.

777
00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:12,770
Making him think, do I want to
show this to the whole world?

778
00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:14,410
Like does everybody want to see
this?

779
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:15,970
What if it ends up the other
way.

780
00:37:15,970 --> 00:37:19,810
So one of the other quarterbacks
on on on or the QB the first

781
00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:23,610
season was Marcus Mariota.
He had a really rough year.

782
00:37:23,650 --> 00:37:25,650
That's a rough look, yeah,
because it was it this past

783
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:27,810
season, This past season, Oh
yeah, he got benched.

784
00:37:27,810 --> 00:37:30,730
And then he remember he left the
team weirdly.

785
00:37:30,970 --> 00:37:34,580
And it showed that from a
different angle about like how

786
00:37:34,580 --> 00:37:38,260
he kind of thought he was doing
the right thing because it was

787
00:37:38,260 --> 00:37:41,060
time to like, let another person
in.

788
00:37:41,060 --> 00:37:44,420
Maybe he was going to be a
distraction and he wanted to

789
00:37:44,420 --> 00:37:46,780
get, I think it was his knee.
You want to get his knee fixed

790
00:37:47,140 --> 00:37:50,380
for his next opportunity, right?
Which we can all understand and

791
00:37:50,380 --> 00:37:52,500
empathize.
All of those things.

792
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:57,060
The media at the time, dude quit
on his team.

793
00:37:57,060 --> 00:37:58,940
Dude, you know that doesn't want
to do this.

794
00:37:58,940 --> 00:38:04,330
Marcus Mariota, where are you?
And I think that stuff, not just

795
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:07,930
sports media, media in general.
Those are quick clip culture and

796
00:38:07,930 --> 00:38:10,770
our snippet of the thing that
everybody will listen to

797
00:38:12,130 --> 00:38:13,730
probably isn't always the best
thing.

798
00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:15,810
And that's weird for two
marketing guys to talk about.

799
00:38:16,570 --> 00:38:21,050
Well, it's it's context, right?
Everything we say is in context

800
00:38:21,450 --> 00:38:24,770
and social media does a great
job of removing that context

801
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:28,490
because that doesn't the context
doesn't get clicks, right?

802
00:38:28,490 --> 00:38:31,010
The him abandoning his team
because he has a knee surgery

803
00:38:31,010 --> 00:38:33,480
doesn't sound good.
But him abandoning his team is a

804
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,400
great headline.
I'm definitely reading that They

805
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,600
click banded me right into it.
Yeah, it's almost insidious

806
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,040
sometimes, but it's also the
world we live in and the job

807
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,360
sometimes too.
I don't know.

808
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,960
Yeah, how do you navigate that
dynamic?

809
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,800
It's not easy.
I think you gotta be able to

810
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,370
push back sometimes and say.
We can't do that or that is a

811
00:38:59,410 --> 00:39:02,410
gross misrepresentation.
I think in marketing sometimes

812
00:39:02,410 --> 00:39:05,130
we get the finger pointed ass
like all you do is bend the

813
00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:09,010
truth and I'll bend it a little
bit, but not, you know, like you

814
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:11,650
can bend it, but we're not
breaking it or sidestepping into

815
00:39:11,650 --> 00:39:12,970
creating a parallel universe
here.

816
00:39:12,970 --> 00:39:14,730
Like we got to stay within our
bounds.

817
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:18,050
Like if we say we're doing this,
we have to do it or we have to

818
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:20,770
like make a really good effort
to do it or I'm not comfortable

819
00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:23,730
saying it.
So in a very like.

820
00:39:24,540 --> 00:39:26,220
Serious.
But I think, like, sometimes

821
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:28,260
it's hard conversations like,
yeah, absolutely.

822
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:30,500
That isn't happening.
And here's why.

823
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:33,580
And this is the perception that
we'll have if we say this and

824
00:39:33,580 --> 00:39:35,700
then don't follow through or
can't back it up with data.

825
00:39:37,540 --> 00:39:40,500
And then other times it's, you
know, here's an alternative.

826
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:44,220
I think those are a little more
well received.

827
00:39:44,620 --> 00:39:46,580
Yeah.
But sometimes it has to be.

828
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:47,420
No.
Yeah.

829
00:39:47,420 --> 00:39:51,220
Or it has to be like, let's look
at some guiding factor if

830
00:39:51,220 --> 00:39:53,900
there's an institution you're
working with, like their values.

831
00:39:54,220 --> 00:39:56,980
Is there something you can lean
on to be like, hey, we stand for

832
00:39:56,980 --> 00:39:58,980
this and this is definitely not
that.

833
00:39:58,980 --> 00:40:01,420
I don't know.
What do you do?

834
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:05,620
Yeah, the ethical piece of
marketing is has always been

835
00:40:05,620 --> 00:40:09,580
fascinating to me, and I've
always severely slanted towards

836
00:40:09,580 --> 00:40:13,140
the side of being transparent
and authentic like you have to

837
00:40:13,140 --> 00:40:14,820
be in.
I think we live in such a good

838
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:18,540
time right now that's making
that happen because everything's

839
00:40:18,540 --> 00:40:21,260
available.
So like I think there was

840
00:40:21,260 --> 00:40:26,280
probably a stretch in like you
know the 80s, nineties, maybe

841
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,080
even earlier or later that like
people could get away with just

842
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,720
telling a story.
Actually great correlation here.

843
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,600
This is great in the in the
untold for Johnny Manziel.

844
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,760
Spoiler alert, Just the small
one though, His one of his like

845
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:47,520
best friends was his pseudo
manager in college and Johnny

846
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,960
started signing autographs for
money.

847
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,520
Obviously, you're not supposed
to do that.

848
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:57,440
Yeah, that was before.
Before Io and his buddy made-up

849
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,600
this whole crafted this whole PR
story about how Johnny Manziel

850
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,610
came from oil money.
Yeah, that.

851
00:41:04,770 --> 00:41:06,690
Yeah, I remember that.
And then he did.

852
00:41:06,770 --> 00:41:07,690
It's not true.
It's not.

853
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:10,730
It's not true.
So it was just from like

854
00:41:10,810 --> 00:41:13,930
autographs or like other deals
that he got on the side throwing

855
00:41:13,930 --> 00:41:16,210
out the money.
Like his, his family has some

856
00:41:16,210 --> 00:41:19,290
money, but not billions of
dollars of oil money.

857
00:41:19,450 --> 00:41:22,650
Yeah, that was said.
And like, I remembered that too,

858
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:24,090
like.
And they showed clips of, like,

859
00:41:24,090 --> 00:41:27,490
actually Skip Bayless and a
couple other people talking

860
00:41:27,490 --> 00:41:30,680
about this kid comes from oil
money, he doesn't need it, blah

861
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,200
blah blah.
It was all fake.

862
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,520
It was all a crafted narrative.
Just so he won't get busted for

863
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,240
spending like copious amounts of
money.

864
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:38,840
Because he's getting it from
these?

865
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Yep cuz at that time he like
they show a clips of him like he

866
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,920
was the biggest star in in
America.

867
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,160
He was he was partying with
LeBron.

868
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,880
He was they have a clip of Drake
talking about being great

869
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,800
friends with Johnny Menzel like
it seemed like everywhere he was

870
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,760
like he was flinging money.
So his pseudo manager, I he his

871
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,200
best friend, crafted this
narrative about him coming from

872
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,000
oil money that was completely
not true.

873
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,040
I mean, that friend is a real
one.

874
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,240
Like he definitely put out for.
It was like I got your back, but

875
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:13,680
yeah, and that takes a turn.
I'm not going to throw that

876
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,920
story out at the end, but that
takes a turn.

877
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,320
But yeah, circling back to what,
you know, what we were talking

878
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,870
about, the, I think the the time
that we find ourselves in with

879
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:32,310
the ease of finding information
and what people can do and how

880
00:42:32,310 --> 00:42:34,950
quickly that information can
spread is a good thing.

881
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:36,950
I think that holds marketers
accountable.

882
00:42:37,630 --> 00:42:43,230
And I I think it's really,
really important to make sure

883
00:42:43,230 --> 00:42:49,030
you're telling the authentic
truth because now and probably

884
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:51,270
always to a certain extent at
least the people who've done it

885
00:42:51,270 --> 00:42:56,630
well over the years, those two
things are synonymous with

886
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:58,390
organizational or business
success.

887
00:42:59,750 --> 00:43:04,110
Whatever you're trying to do,
being authentic about what that

888
00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:08,790
is, knowing what and why you
want to do what you're doing and

889
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:13,230
then marketing, it's their job
to share that story.

890
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:19,190
So how content is created and
shared, I think is bigger than

891
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:23,910
ever in in marketing.
And what that content is has to

892
00:43:23,910 --> 00:43:27,830
reflect and embody the activity
and the value of the

893
00:43:27,830 --> 00:43:30,030
organization.
And if it doesn't, you need to

894
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:32,710
have those hard conversations
you were talking about and that

895
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:36,390
can be difficult.
The great thing about it is that

896
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:39,990
if you're doing that, there's
always a landing spot for you

897
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:43,430
and that's easy to convey.
If you're with an organization

898
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:45,390
that says that, you know that's
not it.

899
00:43:45,390 --> 00:43:48,860
If they want, if they want to
try to deceive or something,

900
00:43:48,860 --> 00:43:51,060
which I think happens
significantly less than it did

901
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:53,540
at some point.
But you know, the stories like

902
00:43:53,540 --> 00:43:56,780
that still say that it can.
You know, if everybody,

903
00:43:56,860 --> 00:43:59,980
especially with like if you're
shooting for the PR angle of

904
00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:03,980
marketing, if you know how to
pull those strings and wires a

905
00:44:03,980 --> 00:44:07,220
little bit, a lot of those
people are talking heads, man.

906
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:10,620
They they got it on a prompter
and they're going to read it and

907
00:44:10,620 --> 00:44:13,140
they're really good at
emphasizing it in a certain way.

908
00:44:13,140 --> 00:44:16,670
Or like I always kind of joke
that like some of some of those

909
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:21,190
people, although I respect their
craft, their craft is being good

910
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:28,190
at emoting and reading as
opposed to like the the actual

911
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:31,830
telling the story of it.
And if you can still tug those

912
00:44:31,830 --> 00:44:33,430
wires, you know, it's a little
bit different.

913
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:39,880
But I think, to get back to the
original point, that there's

914
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,960
always a landing place for the
person who can do that

915
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,520
effectively and tell the story.
Yeah, I feel like we have a lot

916
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,360
of great orators in our time,
right?

917
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,760
They can speak, but there's not
a lot of substance once you dig

918
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:51,720
sometimes.
Sometimes.

919
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,680
Yeah, that's a gross
generalization.

920
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:57,200
But just to that point of that
person that you're describing

921
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,680
and actually Speaking of like
crazy marketing, like authentic,

922
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,360
amazing.
Did you see?

923
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,200
I think it was France's Woman's
World Cup.

924
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,640
Like add no.
I've got to lay this up cuz it's

925
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,240
just crazy.
I saw this and I was like

926
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:13,720
sharing it with my team.
I was like this is like

927
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,560
authentic, amazing inspirational
marketing.

928
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,160
So they had a whole highlight
reel, like maybe a 15 second

929
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,680
montage of it looked like the
men's team their best plays of

930
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,160
the year.
And I mean like bicycle kicks

931
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040
into the goal like they're doing
like some crazy stuff, just just

932
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,960
amazing.
And I'm not a huge soccer

933
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:35,000
football fan, but I was like
drawn in.

934
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,880
I was like, yeah, this is sick
highlight reel and it says like,

935
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,280
you know, This is why we
support.

936
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,960
And then in in French it was the
men's team and then it showed.

937
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,880
But really and it was all
edited.

938
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,240
They were all highlights from
the women's team and they just

939
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,760
edited it.
They do in post to have the

940
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,110
men's faces on them.
So then it went through the

941
00:45:56,110 --> 00:45:59,750
highlights, the real version.
And you're like, oh Dang, like

942
00:45:59,790 --> 00:46:02,990
this is like, they got us, but
I'm in it now.

943
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:06,430
I want to watch like, it was
just so authentic and like, you

944
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:08,310
know, we shouldn't just care
about men's sports.

945
00:46:08,310 --> 00:46:10,710
Like, this is a big moment for
our country and there's so much

946
00:46:10,710 --> 00:46:13,230
national pride.
And like, so just it was such a

947
00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:15,950
great idea, so well executed.
I was like, like, so I had to

948
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:17,270
share with my team.
I was like, you guys gotta check

949
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:19,390
this out.
So that was sweet.

950
00:46:19,550 --> 00:46:21,150
That's great.
I'll have to check that out.

951
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:24,670
So what they do?
They superimposed or like change

952
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:28,270
the visuals to men's bodies?
Yeah, they in post, they change

953
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:32,830
the faces and like everything.
And then you find out, right, I

954
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:35,390
have the big reveal is this is
the women's team all along and

955
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:39,310
you're like, why would I care
any less about these highlights

956
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:40,910
objectively, right.
Yeah.

957
00:46:41,150 --> 00:46:42,670
But men's sports are bigger,
right?

958
00:46:42,670 --> 00:46:44,220
It's a bigger market.
Yeah.

959
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:47,020
So they were just trying to feed
on that market and like I said,

960
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:50,620
super well executed and all
props to the women's team.

961
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:53,740
I mean, obviously they're super
talented and like the wins World

962
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:55,020
Cup has been interesting to
watch.

963
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:57,380
I got up.
I got up early one night,

964
00:46:57,460 --> 00:46:59,340
certainly like 1:00 AM, three am
first.

965
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:01,700
I haven't watched any.
Yeah, well.

966
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:06,350
Didn't turn out great for us.
Yeah, if you didn't miss, so you

967
00:47:06,350 --> 00:47:08,230
got up early to watch the US.
Yeah, just.

968
00:47:08,750 --> 00:47:10,270
A little bit.
Or like, was it the one they

969
00:47:10,270 --> 00:47:13,630
lost in the round of 16?
No, it was the last pool play,

970
00:47:13,870 --> 00:47:15,830
OK Yeah, they got in.
But their last pool play when

971
00:47:15,950 --> 00:47:16,390
they tied.
Yeah.

972
00:47:16,830 --> 00:47:19,190
And then they, like, looked like
they were happy about it.

973
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:21,470
Like, yeah, I don't know.
I know there was some

974
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:25,670
controversy about, like
sportscasters, like berating

975
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:28,230
them for celebrating, just
making it like you should be

976
00:47:28,230 --> 00:47:31,160
dominant.
And I actually don't mind that.

977
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,040
I think you need to keep people
honest.

978
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,200
And if you're like, hey, in a
competition, you celebrate the

979
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,480
winner.
This is the World Cup.

980
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,560
You don't get participation
trophies.

981
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,560
I don't know.
Is that really bad to call out?

982
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,160
Yeah, I don't think so either.
You play, You play sports to

983
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,880
win.
Yeah.

984
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,600
You know, Yeah, there's a lot
of.

985
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,640
That's why I play.
Yeah, it's completely fine to do

986
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,790
so Yeah, there's a I don't know
much about the conversation but

987
00:47:59,110 --> 00:48:01,190
it sticks in my head cuz just
cuz I saw it like yesterday, the

988
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:03,470
day before.
My wife likes watching that.

989
00:48:04,190 --> 00:48:06,630
I think it started off as
YouTube content and now it's on

990
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:09,430
Hulu where they eat like the hot
wings and the interviews.

991
00:48:10,270 --> 00:48:13,670
With Sean Evans, I think, I
don't know, is that what it is,

992
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:14,950
the hot wings?
Yeah, where they eat the hot

993
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:16,590
wings and there's the, you know,
it's across the table.

994
00:48:16,590 --> 00:48:20,820
But Terry Crews was on there and
Terry Crews, I I was just like

995
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:22,300
in passing.
I didn't watch the whole episode

996
00:48:22,300 --> 00:48:24,020
or anything.
But I saw Terry Crews and he

997
00:48:24,020 --> 00:48:27,820
said something about he doesn't
believe in competition or he

998
00:48:27,820 --> 00:48:31,500
doesn't believe in competing.
I've heard others say that I

999
00:48:31,500 --> 00:48:34,660
don't know the, I don't know
like the methodology behind

1000
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:37,220
that.
I'm I'm sure there's like a more

1001
00:48:37,220 --> 00:48:40,540
than just that concept, you
know, like that comes into you

1002
00:48:40,540 --> 00:48:43,060
know, existence from somewhere.
I don't know if you ever heard

1003
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:49,150
of that, but I I don't, you
know, I I like, I like

1004
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:50,510
competing.
I enjoy it.

1005
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:55,030
And I I think there's a there's
a certain amount of that

1006
00:48:55,030 --> 00:48:57,910
scenario is kind of weird
because like, they did make it

1007
00:48:57,910 --> 00:48:59,750
to the next round.
Although they were the glaring

1008
00:48:59,750 --> 00:49:02,110
favorites, they didn't lose.
And that's a weird thing in

1009
00:49:02,110 --> 00:49:04,830
soccer cuz you can tie.
That's a weird thing in general.

1010
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:06,350
Yeah.
But I mean, I don't think I've

1011
00:49:06,350 --> 00:49:08,910
ever been excited about not
losing, Right.

1012
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:11,590
Right.
Like that's yeah, you made it

1013
00:49:11,590 --> 00:49:13,230
like that is good, right?
You, you made the cut.

1014
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:15,980
You are advancing.
Granted, you didn't make it any

1015
00:49:15,980 --> 00:49:17,980
further really.
Realistically, like had you

1016
00:49:17,980 --> 00:49:20,460
played another game or not, you
still went home well before.

1017
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:21,980
You probably should have.
Yeah.

1018
00:49:22,860 --> 00:49:26,140
And part of it was that it made
their next game significantly

1019
00:49:26,140 --> 00:49:27,780
harder, right?
Like there was this path.

1020
00:49:27,980 --> 00:49:33,780
I read a story about how kind of
like the FIFA powers that be had

1021
00:49:33,780 --> 00:49:37,820
scheduled around when they
thought the the games would be

1022
00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:39,220
because they thought the US
would be there.

1023
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:42,580
So I guess that kind of threw
their plan for a loop when they

1024
00:49:42,580 --> 00:49:44,940
lost because they were the
favorites.

1025
00:49:45,380 --> 00:49:49,660
So there's still a loss in that
non loss, right?

1026
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:53,060
Yeah, yeah.
No, it's it's interesting.

1027
00:49:53,380 --> 00:49:56,500
The Terry Cruz thing though, the
competition, I can kind of

1028
00:49:56,500 --> 00:50:01,260
empathize a little bit, but
maybe not in the way that he

1029
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:01,980
meant.
I don't know.

1030
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,310
I don't know the context.
But I think that neither do I.

1031
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:06,510
That's good.
That's even better.

1032
00:50:06,510 --> 00:50:08,910
Let's go on that then because
it'll be more fun to just like

1033
00:50:08,910 --> 00:50:14,070
assume we know this all.
So Terry CUSA, like, I think we

1034
00:50:14,070 --> 00:50:16,150
get stuck up in everything's a
competition.

1035
00:50:16,830 --> 00:50:19,430
Yeah.
Like we we take that mentality

1036
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:22,350
and apply it to our life.
Like you don't have to win every

1037
00:50:22,350 --> 00:50:24,430
argument.
You can disagree and that is

1038
00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:27,590
totally acceptable and you can
give a valid reason and you

1039
00:50:27,590 --> 00:50:29,780
know, talk to someone and.
If they don't see eye to eye

1040
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:31,860
with you, like at least they
have a new perspective.

1041
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:35,180
Maybe when they go and analyze
their side or their belief and

1042
00:50:35,180 --> 00:50:37,180
they can say, well, he brought
up an interesting point, they

1043
00:50:37,180 --> 00:50:40,020
brought up an interesting point
or even in the workplace, right

1044
00:50:40,020 --> 00:50:42,220
you don't have to win.
It might be you need to

1045
00:50:42,220 --> 00:50:45,940
accomplish a goal or you have to
do your job, but that doesn't

1046
00:50:45,940 --> 00:50:49,100
mean that you have to beat other
people or put them down to do

1047
00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:50,540
it.
Granted, that's the extreme

1048
00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:53,060
case, but I think there's
something to be said for that

1049
00:50:53,060 --> 00:50:56,620
mentality and that might be just
being optimistic or whatever

1050
00:50:56,620 --> 00:51:00,100
that looks like.
But I kind of appreciate that if

1051
00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:02,100
that's what the context it was
meant in.

1052
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:03,620
That's glaringly true.
Yeah.

1053
00:51:03,740 --> 00:51:07,060
And I mean, I think that's a,
that's a piece of the

1054
00:51:07,060 --> 00:51:11,820
conversation, important part of
of that that whole that whole

1055
00:51:11,820 --> 00:51:17,380
conversation because there's a
place for competing.

1056
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:20,300
So when I say that, Yeah, when I
say that, I mean I should say I

1057
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,420
like competing in sports, you
know?

1058
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:26,900
But at the same time,
competition does bleed over to

1059
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:30,800
places where it could be more of
like a all for one, one for all

1060
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,480
mentality would be better for
everybody.

1061
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,280
That's a really good point.
Yeah, and I'm not saying that

1062
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,560
you shouldn't have tenacity or
drive like it's good to have

1063
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,120
goals in life and to go for
them.

1064
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,400
Like I'm all for that, or like
to take risks and you want to

1065
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,600
better yourself for your
situation or whatever your

1066
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,120
motivation is, right?
Like that is amazing.

1067
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,280
I think those are all admirable.
But yeah, So what you're saying

1068
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,840
like that, what's collect around
a goal and accomplish it

1069
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,200
together that could be missed
sometimes in that competition?

1070
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,720
I don't know, like win a nine
hole golf league.

1071
00:51:58,430 --> 00:52:03,350
Well, I mean, not to toot the
horn, yeah, but if the horn

1072
00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:05,110
could be tooted.
I think we should mention it at

1073
00:52:05,110 --> 00:52:07,030
least three more times.
Just so you know.

1074
00:52:07,470 --> 00:52:12,670
I'll wear a medal from now on.
Just waiter, actually.

1075
00:52:12,670 --> 00:52:14,710
I haven't been too insufferable
at home about that.

1076
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:17,700
I'll have to really dial that up
this weekend.

1077
00:52:17,700 --> 00:52:19,740
Make sure Brooke really gets the
brunt of that one.

1078
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:23,180
Brooke has a competitive drive,
right?

1079
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:24,780
You said she's quite the
competitor.

1080
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,140
Definitely more competitive than
me, but she's also more

1081
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:30,180
athletic.
So I think like, her skill cap

1082
00:52:30,500 --> 00:52:33,620
is higher.
Like I'm probably getting close

1083
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:35,620
to mine for most things like,
you know?

1084
00:52:36,300 --> 00:52:39,220
But she has like she's very
athletic, she's very driven.

1085
00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:42,780
So I think that also is like she
wants to be good at everything.

1086
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,480
And she's willing to try and get
there.

1087
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,720
Like she'll put in the work.
Like we just got a mat for our

1088
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,920
backyard so we can hit golf
balls in our backyard and you

1089
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,240
can hit a full sand wedge and
that's it.

1090
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,720
That's how much yard space we
have.

1091
00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,200
And then we have a net and stuff
like that so we can hit some

1092
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,840
other clubs.
But she every night out there

1093
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,280
practicing her swing, she got a
lesson like it's awesome to see

1094
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,800
and also to share in that
journey.

1095
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:10,200
And it's fun that now she well,
I don't know if this is fun, but

1096
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,760
now I get some critiques.
Like, you know, when I got my

1097
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,320
instructor.
Lesson You're not really doing

1098
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,200
this the right way and I'm like
I was self-taught and it goes

1099
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,120
straight.
So like well mostly straight.

1100
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,960
Well, three out of five, I don't
know.

1101
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,520
There was one yesterday.
Went almost 90 degrees right.

1102
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:27,000
Yeah, well, that was one.
You're allowed to have one bad

1103
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,920
shot around.
Yeah, that was bad, though.

1104
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,320
That was like bad.
But I haven't done that in a

1105
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,440
while.
That was, it almost was like a

1106
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,680
boomerang.
I thought it was gonna start

1107
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,400
coming back, actually.
But no, it's not fun to share in

1108
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,620
that.
You know, passion or sport or

1109
00:53:41,620 --> 00:53:43,740
whatever.
So, yeah, you know, before we

1110
00:53:43,740 --> 00:53:46,260
move on from the marketing stuff
too much, I wanted to talk a

1111
00:53:46,300 --> 00:53:48,260
little bit about, I've been
intrigued.

1112
00:53:48,260 --> 00:53:51,100
We've talked a lot about like
how we both got to where we are

1113
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:53,260
in our careers and our
educational journeys.

1114
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:56,580
I want to talk a little bit
about yours.

1115
00:53:56,580 --> 00:54:02,060
There's so much value in there,
like how how did you diagnose?

1116
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:06,740
So you started off in it's
aeronautics engineering,

1117
00:54:06,860 --> 00:54:08,780
aerospace, aerospace
engineering.

1118
00:54:08,780 --> 00:54:11,260
Yeah, aeronautics is like
strictly planes.

1119
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:14,540
OK, nautical.
Well, oh, and you were gonna go

1120
00:54:14,540 --> 00:54:16,780
see the lizard people.
Yeah, we were going to Mars.

1121
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:20,500
No, There actually was like a
poll in one of my first classes

1122
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,140
ever.
Like, I think 80 were in my

1123
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:25,220
cohort through the aerospace
program.

1124
00:54:25,700 --> 00:54:28,060
And how many people wanna go to
Mars?

1125
00:54:28,060 --> 00:54:30,340
And like, I was one of only
three that didn't raise my hand.

1126
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:32,830
I was like, I kinda like.
Earth.

1127
00:54:34,990 --> 00:54:36,470
Yeah.
So aerospace engineering, it

1128
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:38,870
was, I mean, their focus areas
within there.

1129
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:44,230
But it was anything from, you
know, fuselage build for planes

1130
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:50,030
to rocket propulsion to
supersonic math, which after

1131
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:51,830
like Mach 5 and six gets really
wild.

1132
00:54:52,550 --> 00:54:54,790
Not even going to try.
Yeah, no.

1133
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:58,710
So yeah, I started.
That's a term like supersonic

1134
00:54:58,710 --> 00:55:03,240
math is something that's.
Well, the math models for

1135
00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:06,680
supersonic speeds.
OK, what happens in colliding

1136
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,840
particles is like really hard to
model.

1137
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:12,960
It just flight is hard at really
fast speeds.

1138
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,520
We'll just ended at that.
Like, there's a reason like the

1139
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,920
Blackbird, the, you know, our
best stealth fighter ever made

1140
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,840
any like Kelly Johnson and Skunk
Works would fly like 80,000

1141
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,440
feet.
There's a reason that it would

1142
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:28,320
leak fluids when it was on the
runway because the friction when

1143
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,760
you fly that fast.
Causes everything to expand, so

1144
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,680
that would close up the gaps in
the fuse lodge.

1145
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,520
That's crazy.
So like just the the what

1146
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,160
happens with friction and air
and aerodynamics at high speeds

1147
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:44,600
is crazy Mind boggling.
Like shreds planes.

1148
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,520
So yeah.
Anyway, that's not what you

1149
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,400
asked, but I just don't know.
I wanted to talk about all of

1150
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,080
that because there it's clear
you're clearly still passionate

1151
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,160
about it at places and it's
something like you keep your

1152
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:56,760
active pilots license, I know
that.

1153
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:58,880
So we'll probably talk about
that a little bit too.

1154
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,360
But like the, I think the very
unique part about it, like a lot

1155
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,600
of people go through that,
right, that that transition of,

1156
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,080
you know, trying to figure out
what you want to do and then

1157
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,200
ultimately landing somewhere for
a little while and then you

1158
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:12,720
probably change again as you
move on.

1159
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,720
But I think the really
interesting thing about yours is

1160
00:56:15,720 --> 00:56:18,040
that you're still passionate
about it and you know a ton

1161
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:22,400
about it and you did it like a
lot of people in that scenario.

1162
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:27,110
So, like, to take my scenario in
the example, like, there's no

1163
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:29,830
way I was going to keep doing it
because I just stopped, you

1164
00:56:29,830 --> 00:56:33,510
know, Like, I just stopped.
And no one was ever going to let

1165
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:35,430
me be an engineer because I
stopped trying to be an

1166
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:38,270
engineer.
You were like three years in,

1167
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:40,990
you had passed all your classes.
You did a good job.

1168
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:42,190
Like, of course you did.
You.

1169
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:44,190
You was extremely smart
individual.

1170
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:47,070
You passed all your stuff.
And then three years into the

1171
00:56:47,070 --> 00:56:49,230
thing, you're like, I'm going to
be a creative writer.

1172
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:53,110
Like, that's really unique, man.
Well, I mean, so I didn't really

1173
00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:56,230
know.
So it starts further back.

1174
00:56:56,660 --> 00:57:00,500
Like high school for me, I was
good at math and science.

1175
00:57:01,060 --> 00:57:04,660
I I took like I didn't have math
classes I could take at my high

1176
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:06,660
school.
Like dual credit really wasn't

1177
00:57:06,660 --> 00:57:09,860
an option in the UP, Wasn't a
very well funded school.

1178
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,380
So they're just like, well,
you're good at math and science,

1179
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:13,980
like engineering is the logical
path.

1180
00:57:13,980 --> 00:57:17,460
A buddy of mine was a year old.
They're really looked up to him.

1181
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:19,380
Super great guy.
He's an engineer, super

1182
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:22,620
successful now.
And I just like, yeah, like he's

1183
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:24,540
doing it like I've been all his
classes.

1184
00:57:24,540 --> 00:57:27,050
Like I'm going to do it too.
I didn't really know another

1185
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:29,210
option and I knew that my
parents said how did I mean,

1186
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:31,090
you're going to college, you're
going to college.

1187
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:33,130
That wasn't something that they
did.

1188
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:35,930
My mom had a one year
certificate in baking.

1189
00:57:35,930 --> 00:57:39,890
Management opened a bakery for a
few years, but really they

1190
00:57:40,210 --> 00:57:42,170
weren't full time.
College students didn't have any

1191
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:44,730
degrees like associates or.
Anything like that.

1192
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:45,970
So that was, you're going to
college?

1193
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:48,650
So I was going to college.
I applied to one school, the

1194
00:57:48,650 --> 00:57:52,170
University of Michigan somehow
got in, and I was like, the only

1195
00:57:52,170 --> 00:57:54,490
reason I picked them is they're
the closest aerospace program.

1196
00:57:54,730 --> 00:57:59,650
Because it's it's pretty.
It's pretty nonchalant to say

1197
00:57:59,650 --> 00:58:03,330
somehow got in.
Because I think there's there's

1198
00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:06,970
very few listening with the
academic accolades that that you

1199
00:58:06,970 --> 00:58:08,970
had.
Maybe, Yeah, I was.

1200
00:58:08,970 --> 00:58:11,170
I was involved.
But I I wanted to go there

1201
00:58:11,170 --> 00:58:12,730
because the next closest school
is like.

1202
00:58:13,310 --> 00:58:15,270
Across the country for
aerospace.

1203
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:17,190
And the reason I wanted
aerospace is cuz I googled at

1204
00:58:17,190 --> 00:58:19,750
the time what the high paying
engineer was cuz of course if

1205
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:21,230
I'm gonna be it I wanna make
money.

1206
00:58:21,230 --> 00:58:22,630
So I was like well what's the
highest paid one?

1207
00:58:22,630 --> 00:58:24,510
Like yeah, why not?
I could like do that.

1208
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:27,070
So I wasn't like super
passionate about planes or

1209
00:58:27,070 --> 00:58:30,750
anything until I got in one.
And then between my freshman and

1210
00:58:30,750 --> 00:58:32,710
sophomore year I was able to
knock out my whole pilot's

1211
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:35,390
license and I was like, yeah
flying's cool but I don't really

1212
00:58:35,390 --> 00:58:38,710
like the engineering part.
Like I had internships, didn't

1213
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:40,590
like them.
Had a few of them worked at a

1214
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:43,510
startup, which was.
Really cool, fast-paced, weird

1215
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:46,350
consulting, but it wasn't
something that I could see

1216
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:48,950
myself doing.
Worked at United Airlines, a big

1217
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:51,590
company, saw that side of it and
I was like, I don't want to do

1218
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:54,030
this for the next 30 years.
And I had.

1219
00:58:54,030 --> 00:58:57,390
At that time I was working
towards a minor in the history

1220
00:58:57,390 --> 00:59:00,910
of ancient or philosophy of
ancient religion.

1221
00:59:01,900 --> 00:59:04,620
And I did a lot of writing.
And just like, I mean, what do

1222
00:59:04,620 --> 00:59:06,380
you think you're going to write
about when you're talking about

1223
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:07,540
that?
Like, it's silly stuff.

1224
00:59:07,780 --> 00:59:09,980
Like if you actually look back
at, you're like, this stuff's

1225
00:59:09,980 --> 00:59:12,220
been argued about for like 2003
thousand years.

1226
00:59:12,220 --> 00:59:14,740
I'm not adding anything new, but
it's fun.

1227
00:59:14,740 --> 00:59:17,660
It's like a mental exercise.
And I was like, I really like

1228
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:20,060
that side of like, writing and
just engaging.

1229
00:59:20,060 --> 00:59:21,540
So I started like looking up
things.

1230
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:26,100
And yeah, I don't know.
I took a creative writing class

1231
00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,580
at another college and I was
like, this is fun.

1232
00:59:30,070 --> 00:59:32,110
I like storytelling.
I like speaking.

1233
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:35,430
And I was like, I like all of
the things that this encompasses

1234
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:38,950
and I'm not terrible at it.
Like let's go this way.

1235
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:41,550
I don't know why I think I gave
my parents a heart attack.

1236
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:44,030
Like lost a lot of scholarship
money.

1237
00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:47,670
Like that was also, I think a
decider was my scholarship was

1238
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:51,790
engineering specific and I
wasn't able to afford or going

1239
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:53,950
to afford going to the
University of Michigan without a

1240
00:59:53,950 --> 00:59:57,050
scholarship.
So if I got out of engineering,

1241
00:59:57,050 --> 00:59:59,370
and I probably didn't advocate
my myself, I probably could have

1242
00:59:59,370 --> 01:00:01,650
talked to people about finding
other money.

1243
01:00:01,650 --> 01:00:05,330
Like, that's one thing that I've
learned now is that there's a

1244
01:00:05,330 --> 01:00:07,330
lot more help.
Like, I just felt helpless.

1245
01:00:07,330 --> 01:00:10,370
I stopped going to class my
last, like, semester, so I

1246
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:12,130
passed every class until that
last semester.

1247
01:00:12,130 --> 01:00:14,570
I ended up skipping a final for
one so to set the record

1248
01:00:14,570 --> 01:00:16,170
straight.
OK, so that was a fail.

1249
01:00:16,170 --> 01:00:18,410
Yeah, yeah.
But if you don't go to the

1250
01:00:18,410 --> 01:00:21,480
final, it's.
It's a little tough, but at that

1251
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,560
point I decided that I wasn't
gonna be an engineer and I

1252
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,000
didn't know how else to do it
cuz I was too immature.

1253
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,720
Besides, like I failed out.
I didn't know I could just

1254
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,360
switch, cuz college was my goal
and I was told that I was gonna

1255
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,880
be an engineer and I was like,
yeah, I'll be an engineer and I

1256
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,160
didn't know there was an
alternative or I felt at the

1257
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,420
time that's so stupid.
It's stupid when I say this out

1258
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:45,420
loud, but that's really what I
felt like and I needed that to

1259
01:00:45,580 --> 01:00:47,660
spur me in a new direction.
Yeah, absolutely.

1260
01:00:47,660 --> 01:00:49,260
So that's.
How I got to creative writing

1261
01:00:49,260 --> 01:00:51,820
and then marketing.
Yeah, and well, identifying that

1262
01:00:51,820 --> 01:00:56,280
is awesome because that, like,
the process there got you to

1263
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,800
somewhere that you were happy
about.

1264
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,000
It's funny because the the
overlaps of our two stories are

1265
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,600
nearly identical.
Also an engineer or perspective

1266
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:06,520
engineer.
Perspective engineer academic

1267
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:12,200
scholarship only for engineering
and failed out unknowingly at

1268
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:17,280
the time probably on purpose
hadn't didn't have the capacity

1269
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:23,440
to identify that yet which is a
whole another conversation

1270
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,320
right.
Because like like we think about

1271
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,320
talking about the Johnny Manziel
until that's a 20 year old kid

1272
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:32,040
making grown person decisions.
Same thing for us.

1273
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:33,960
You know, I was, I was 19 at
that time.

1274
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,520
I I wasn't.
I I wasn't in a position to have

1275
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:44,200
the ability to make the
decisions I needed to.

1276
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Yeah.
Which is a large reason about

1277
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,570
why I decided to transition
careers, you know, even a little

1278
01:01:52,570 --> 01:01:55,130
bit later in life.
Again, because I I wanted to do

1279
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:59,610
something where I could help
people in that situation because

1280
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:02,970
there is there, there are so
many ways out of that situation

1281
01:02:03,050 --> 01:02:07,250
other than other than that exit.
But at the time, I can

1282
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:09,330
completely understand what
you're saying.

1283
01:02:09,690 --> 01:02:13,970
The way out is to say, oh
couldn't do it fail, just

1284
01:02:14,250 --> 01:02:17,050
couldn't do it.
When really could have done it,

1285
01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:20,250
didn't want to do it.
Yeah, Not not passionate.

1286
01:02:20,250 --> 01:02:23,610
Couldn't, couldn't even muster
the the gumption to be like just

1287
01:02:23,610 --> 01:02:25,890
get this one more assignment
done and go to the exam.

1288
01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:29,690
Like, yeah, yeah.
So I mean that that's

1289
01:02:29,690 --> 01:02:32,210
fascinating.
But like the the identification

1290
01:02:32,210 --> 01:02:35,530
factor is key about being able
to pick out what you did

1291
01:02:35,690 --> 01:02:40,170
actually like and and move on
from that and then who knows

1292
01:02:40,170 --> 01:02:41,970
what the next thing is.
It might be something completely

1293
01:02:41,970 --> 01:02:44,370
different.
But that skill, that ability to

1294
01:02:44,370 --> 01:02:48,140
be able to identify that stuff,
I think comes with a certain

1295
01:02:48,140 --> 01:02:52,500
level of a combination of
experience and maturation,

1296
01:02:52,580 --> 01:02:58,460
right.
And experience is a large piece

1297
01:02:58,460 --> 01:03:03,180
of that, that, like you said,
high schools in smaller towns,

1298
01:03:03,180 --> 01:03:05,700
you're good at math and science.
Here's what you should do.

1299
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:08,940
Nothing against that person.
That's probably the that's the

1300
01:03:08,940 --> 01:03:12,500
best advice they could give.
That's the same exact stuff I

1301
01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:13,980
got.
You're good at math and science

1302
01:03:13,980 --> 01:03:16,690
here.
You engineers and I was always

1303
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:18,770
relatively decent at
communicating with people, so it

1304
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:21,450
was told to me if you can be an
engineer and communicate with

1305
01:03:21,450 --> 01:03:23,090
people, you can make a lot of
money.

1306
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:26,970
So same thing like engineering
managers in your future, like

1307
01:03:26,970 --> 01:03:30,130
you've got all these things like
also probably the only guy in

1308
01:03:30,130 --> 01:03:33,690
engineering that got a
philosophy minor and like was

1309
01:03:33,690 --> 01:03:36,930
trying to do writing on the
side, but that's neither here

1310
01:03:36,930 --> 01:03:38,010
nor there.
But yeah, same thing.

1311
01:03:38,010 --> 01:03:40,770
It's like all the path is made
for you, like not only you're an

1312
01:03:40,770 --> 01:03:43,250
engineer, you have a
personality, which I take

1313
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:44,770
exception to.
I have a lot of friends.

1314
01:03:44,770 --> 01:03:47,210
Our engineers have 100
personalities 100%.

1315
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:49,650
They're just maybe not as
outgoing all the time.

1316
01:03:49,650 --> 01:03:51,250
Like I don't have an off switch.
Yeah.

1317
01:03:51,250 --> 01:03:52,770
Or they communicate a little bit
differently.

1318
01:03:52,770 --> 01:03:54,130
Yeah.
But yeah, absolutely.

1319
01:03:54,250 --> 01:03:57,370
I I agree.
I agree wholeheartedly where

1320
01:03:57,610 --> 01:04:00,410
they, they get kind of undersold
at times a little bit.

1321
01:04:01,410 --> 01:04:05,370
But man, you know, you you think
about that, that journey and

1322
01:04:05,370 --> 01:04:08,370
everybody goes through it.
So I thought it was important to

1323
01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:10,930
dig a little deeper into what
we've talked about.

1324
01:04:10,970 --> 01:04:14,690
Yeah, and I think what I've
learned since and over the years

1325
01:04:14,690 --> 01:04:17,200
now is.
Taking that time from

1326
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:21,400
identifying I don't like to
taking action and shortening

1327
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:24,040
that as much as possible.
Cuz it was probably a year and a

1328
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,880
half where I was like starting
like my grades.

1329
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,880
I was still passing but now I'm
instead of A's I'm at B's or

1330
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:30,960
like I'm not putting in the
work.

1331
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,440
I'm not going to the labs
anymore.

1332
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,160
Like I just knew the minimum to
get by cuz I was already like I

1333
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,320
don't like this.
I was so disengaged, but I

1334
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,120
didn't know that I should switch
and.

1335
01:04:39,660 --> 01:04:41,260
Over the time now, I'm like
okay.

1336
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:44,380
I don't like something.
I can either stop, I can change

1337
01:04:44,380 --> 01:04:46,540
something, or I can go in like a
new direction.

1338
01:04:46,540 --> 01:04:48,900
There are options, and
shortening that time from

1339
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:52,620
identification to action is like
something I really strive to try

1340
01:04:52,620 --> 01:04:55,620
to be mindful of when I
encounter situations like that.

1341
01:04:55,740 --> 01:05:00,700
Yeah, absolutely the the.
So spending a while as a career

1342
01:05:00,700 --> 01:05:05,980
advisor, that time frame
frustrated so many people of

1343
01:05:06,620 --> 01:05:10,100
that you can't, you know you
can't make this decision in the

1344
01:05:10,100 --> 01:05:12,180
day.
You need to, you need to consult

1345
01:05:12,180 --> 01:05:14,620
people around you.
You need to take some time

1346
01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:16,980
reflecting and think about that
stuff.

1347
01:05:17,300 --> 01:05:20,220
And it's all unnatural things,
things that we don't allow

1348
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:23,780
ourselves in our culture to do.
In general, people don't allow

1349
01:05:23,780 --> 01:05:27,140
themselves time to reflect on
themselves and think and

1350
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:32,020
consider what they like and
enjoy and why they enjoy those

1351
01:05:32,020 --> 01:05:34,100
things.
Because you could still enjoy

1352
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:38,390
math, but maybe in a different
way or for a different reason.

1353
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:42,270
Maybe it's because you're really
methodical in liking doing

1354
01:05:42,270 --> 01:05:44,190
things in order or something
like that.

1355
01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:48,710
In that time, frustrated people
so much, man, because I'd be

1356
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:52,110
like I'd they'd leave our
meetings with a, you know, a

1357
01:05:52,830 --> 01:05:55,830
short to medium list of things
to do that I would recommend.

1358
01:05:55,830 --> 01:05:58,230
Like talk to this person in your
circle.

1359
01:05:59,030 --> 01:06:01,190
Think about why you like doing
this.

1360
01:06:02,770 --> 01:06:06,570
Think about why you told me, the
three people that you'd go to

1361
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:09,890
dinner with, why you picked
those people, not just who you

1362
01:06:09,890 --> 01:06:12,130
picked.
And then we're going to talk in

1363
01:06:12,130 --> 01:06:14,770
a week.
And a lot of times emails would

1364
01:06:14,770 --> 01:06:18,650
come in that week saying, you
know, I'm so glad I took this

1365
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:20,970
time.
Can we meet earlier?

1366
01:06:21,530 --> 01:06:24,890
Can we do that?
But there's always that.

1367
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:30,490
It's that unavoidable reflection
and thought time that's Uber

1368
01:06:30,490 --> 01:06:32,530
important.
That is not easy.

1369
01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:35,410
That's another slow burn.
Yeah, and I don't like that.

1370
01:06:35,650 --> 01:06:37,610
You know, me.
My personality is like, go, go,

1371
01:06:37,610 --> 01:06:39,130
go.
Like, I just want to move.

1372
01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:41,690
Yeah, I have trouble with this,
like sit still, be

1373
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:43,410
introspective.
I just want to do the thing.

1374
01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:47,050
Yeah, like 100% do the thing.
Yeah.

1375
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:52,130
Yeah, man, that's wild.
Boy, we could go a lot of

1376
01:06:52,130 --> 01:06:53,210
different.
What do you think about this

1377
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:54,690
table?
I like it.

1378
01:06:54,770 --> 01:06:57,580
I was.
I was wondering if we could

1379
01:06:57,580 --> 01:07:00,260
count the rings and figure out
how old I am or how old is that.

1380
01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:01,740
Might be that math part coming
out though.

1381
01:07:01,740 --> 01:07:05,900
Like I like to quantify things
but it looks as sweet.

1382
01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:12,140
We could probably estimate you
know if I do this is five rings,

1383
01:07:12,740 --> 01:07:20,780
so if I do 101520308540 and they
get tighter in the middle.

1384
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:24,100
So I think you're probably had a
pretty good guess, I bet it's

1385
01:07:24,450 --> 01:07:27,490
between 80 and 100 I would say.
Yeah, that's impressive.

1386
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:33,450
It was massive.
It was weird buying this because

1387
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:35,450
I bought it.
How do you find this?

1388
01:07:35,770 --> 01:07:38,090
Yeah, well that actually is a
good question.

1389
01:07:38,090 --> 01:07:41,770
Really good question.
I was looking for a unique table

1390
01:07:41,850 --> 01:07:45,170
for the podcast and I knew I
wanted it to have something to

1391
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:47,090
do with Maple.
Like I wanted it to be made of

1392
01:07:47,090 --> 01:07:49,240
Maple.
You're a Maple syrup producer

1393
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,240
too, like you.
You get to the scale of the I

1394
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,120
learned some lessons from you.
You have an operation, just you

1395
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,720
have good equipment too.
I mean, equipment makes a huge

1396
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:00,040
difference to cut down time.
Yeah, I knew I wanted it to be

1397
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,840
something to do with Maple, so I
was searching for and I love,

1398
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,920
I've always loved live edge
stuff like this.

1399
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:12,400
But I was thinking more along
the lines of, like potentially I

1400
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:15,120
would cut down a tree that was,
you know, nearing the completion

1401
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,200
of its life or something and
make a table out of it.

1402
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:22,479
And I found this from a really
cool dude just South of Green

1403
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,760
Bay away is kind of in between
like Green Bay and Oshkosh

1404
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:31,359
geographically.
And he had a different one that

1405
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,760
was really unique looking.
It was significantly smaller

1406
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:35,359
than this.
And it was completely done.

1407
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,840
And we had sent some messages
back and forth.

1408
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,970
He's like, you know, I got some
bigger ones too, Okay, Let's see

1409
01:08:42,970 --> 01:08:44,810
what you got.
So he sent me the pictures of a

1410
01:08:44,810 --> 01:08:47,810
couple and and there was this
one that from the picture looked

1411
01:08:47,810 --> 01:08:52,770
massive, like Okay got to see
that relatively impulsive.

1412
01:08:52,770 --> 01:08:56,569
So drove down there the next day
and like this thing was sitting

1413
01:08:56,569 --> 01:09:00,649
there and I didn't really
explore the opportunity.

1414
01:09:00,649 --> 01:09:03,010
It was unfinished at the time.
It wasn't done.

1415
01:09:03,010 --> 01:09:06,170
It didn't have the epoxy on.
It had this big gap in it.

1416
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:08,569
That's filled.
That's filled, yeah.

1417
01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:11,140
And some character.
Yeah, absolutely.

1418
01:09:11,420 --> 01:09:13,939
Seeing some things.
Yeah, dude, that's the coolest

1419
01:09:13,939 --> 01:09:16,899
part about trees.
Obsessed with trees.

1420
01:09:16,899 --> 01:09:20,899
But went down there, saw this
thing, knew I was going to have

1421
01:09:20,899 --> 01:09:23,620
to have it.
He the price he had given me was

1422
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:28,260
a completed table.
And my motherinlaw's husband is

1423
01:09:28,260 --> 01:09:30,020
relatively handy with this kind
of stuff.

1424
01:09:30,020 --> 01:09:32,300
So I said, what would you, what
would you part with it for?

1425
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:34,899
Just the stand and this big
chunk of wood.

1426
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:40,160
So we came to a deal and I
bought this chunk of wood, which

1427
01:09:40,160 --> 01:09:42,760
is a weird thing to do because I
have Maple trees everywhere.

1428
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,319
Make Maple syrup.
Yeah, but nothing this huge that

1429
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,720
was cut so well, Like, he cut it
to make a table out of it.

1430
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,200
Yeah, So it was well worth it to
me.

1431
01:09:51,109 --> 01:09:56,430
And then Kevin was able to, you
know, do some epoxy work to the

1432
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:59,830
top of this, filled it in and it
just turned out awesome.

1433
01:09:59,830 --> 01:10:03,310
And he, he messaged me about
this dripping stuff down the

1434
01:10:03,310 --> 01:10:04,430
side.
And he was like, do you want

1435
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:06,830
this epoxy too?
Like he could have epoxy inside.

1436
01:10:07,390 --> 01:10:11,230
And I was like, that looks
exactly like dripping Maple SAP.

1437
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:13,790
Like we have it does.
We have to leave that.

1438
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:16,550
I was trying to lick it before,
yeah, where the camera came.

1439
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:18,630
I'm glad we just waited till I
was done with that.

1440
01:10:18,670 --> 01:10:23,990
But yeah, so that's that's the
story behind the table, and I

1441
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:25,590
couldn't be more excited about
it.

1442
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:28,350
It's a statement piece.
Yeah, man.

1443
01:10:28,430 --> 01:10:32,070
It brings the space together.
Yeah, So that was pretty cool.

1444
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:33,070
How long have you?
How long?

1445
01:10:33,310 --> 01:10:37,430
Like, when were you introduced
to making Maple syrup?

1446
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:41,230
Like when do you first remember
seeing Maple SAP being boiled

1447
01:10:41,230 --> 01:10:42,790
and collected?
Really young.

1448
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:46,840
I mean four or five.
But I did a science fair project

1449
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,880
on it in like 6th grade where I
took a little stump and I

1450
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,120
drilled a hole and through the
top and through the side and put

1451
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,880
a sponge in there and filled
with water so it would drip out

1452
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:57,080
at like a speed that was
consistent.

1453
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,080
So not very scientific.
I just put more sponges until it

1454
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,120
slowly dripped.
But then like I really got into

1455
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,760
it and I made candy and like all
the kinds of stuff with it.

1456
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:08,240
So then I was a little more
active help.

1457
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:12,560
My my grandparents were the ones
that had the sugar shack and the

1458
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,610
Maple trees and.
Between like 80 and 120 trees or

1459
01:11:16,610 --> 01:11:18,570
something.
I'm not sure on the exact

1460
01:11:18,570 --> 01:11:20,050
number.
I was just the helper always

1461
01:11:20,050 --> 01:11:23,130
when I was younger and then as I
got older I was at college or

1462
01:11:23,130 --> 01:11:26,690
whatnot or working now and so
yeah, I don't know, but it was

1463
01:11:26,690 --> 01:11:28,890
young.
Did you always make it with your

1464
01:11:28,890 --> 01:11:33,330
family too or no, we're only
you'd never know it by like

1465
01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:36,330
joining the Sugar Shack now.
But we started I think, I think

1466
01:11:36,330 --> 01:11:39,910
this year was our sixth year,
something like that.

1467
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:42,430
And did you make it with someone
else first or did you just like

1468
01:11:42,430 --> 01:11:44,030
research?
And like, I want to do this.

1469
01:11:44,150 --> 01:11:47,190
It was always me and my dad, my
dad and I from the beginning.

1470
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:49,430
I did most of like the research
about it.

1471
01:11:51,190 --> 01:11:54,230
And my dad is like, he's a he's
just a real handy dude, you

1472
01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:56,070
know, like, he can, he can make
stuff out of.

1473
01:11:56,150 --> 01:11:58,070
He's a Wisconsin gent.
Absolutely.

1474
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:59,190
He can make stuff out of
nothing.

1475
01:11:59,190 --> 01:12:02,510
He but it still amazes me.
He built our whole sugar shack

1476
01:12:02,510 --> 01:12:05,230
out of pretty much just stuff he
had like laying around in his

1477
01:12:05,230 --> 01:12:07,630
woods.
It's fantastic.

1478
01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:13,850
And so he brought like that side
of that that like and still does

1479
01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:17,290
brings that like creative
building side to it.

1480
01:12:17,730 --> 01:12:23,210
And then I'm I just bring like
that that constant continuous

1481
01:12:23,210 --> 01:12:25,930
improvement mentality to it.
We're like, I just like to do

1482
01:12:25,930 --> 01:12:27,450
things as efficiently as
possible.

1483
01:12:28,050 --> 01:12:31,410
So I love learning new things
and I search it out and then I

1484
01:12:31,410 --> 01:12:34,970
get obsessed with it.
And now the combination of those

1485
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:37,940
two things has us in a place
where we make quite a bit, and

1486
01:12:37,940 --> 01:12:40,340
it's just super, super fun.
And it's great that it's just

1487
01:12:40,340 --> 01:12:42,180
something I get to do with him
every year.

1488
01:12:42,180 --> 01:12:45,300
And it's a great time to get out
of the, you know, out of the

1489
01:12:45,300 --> 01:12:47,180
house.
By that time, you're ready to

1490
01:12:47,180 --> 01:12:48,860
get outside.
You're itching to be out of out

1491
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:51,580
of the house.
Winter tends to drag on some

1492
01:12:51,580 --> 01:12:52,380
years.
Yeah.

1493
01:12:52,500 --> 01:12:56,540
Sometimes I I laugh sometimes
because I like, I like and I

1494
01:12:56,540 --> 01:12:58,820
like winter.
Like I firmly belong in

1495
01:12:58,820 --> 01:13:01,940
Wisconsin or like here or north
of where we are.

1496
01:13:01,940 --> 01:13:05,920
Because, like, you know, July
doesn't treat me well.

1497
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:06,960
Really.
So I'm.

1498
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,120
I'm here.
But at at the same time there is

1499
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:14,000
a certain freshness about spring
that you're ready to change and

1500
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,120
and just like, start that new
year.

1501
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:19,200
So that's a great time to do
Maple syrup.

1502
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,560
But that's why that's why I
decided to buy the table.

1503
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,640
I knew I wanted something.
Maple by happenstance.

1504
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,680
Life's a really weird thing that
points you in the directions

1505
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:30,120
that you don't know you should
find.

1506
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:32,960
And I connected with this dude
who had this big old Maple.

1507
01:13:33,410 --> 01:13:36,010
I think he called it a cookie.
That's a word.

1508
01:13:36,010 --> 01:13:38,890
I guess I a word in what he does
because he made some

1509
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:42,730
unbelievable looking stuff and I
think he called this a Maple

1510
01:13:42,730 --> 01:13:44,930
cookie.
I I couldn't believe like how

1511
01:13:44,930 --> 01:13:48,810
thick it was and how.
Heavy is this.

1512
01:13:49,410 --> 01:13:51,170
It's pretty heavy.
You can ask producer Dan.

1513
01:13:51,170 --> 01:13:54,010
He helped me carry it up before
we started Today.

1514
01:13:54,810 --> 01:13:57,010
It's it's heavy enough.
It's.

1515
01:13:57,570 --> 01:14:01,520
Not like it's heavy enough and
fun fact, it's not even

1516
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,920
connected to the pedestal yet.
Just sitting on there, yeah.

1517
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:09,280
So I'm gonna put some like lag
bolts in it later today or maybe

1518
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,600
over the weekend.
I'll try not to break it.

1519
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,840
Yeah, it's probably it would
shake, but it's heavy enough

1520
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:17,920
that it's not gonna fall and if
it does, like whichever way it

1521
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,720
goes like we're not going to be
a happy.

1522
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:23,080
No, I'll flip instead of Bush.
Yeah.

1523
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,200
Yeah.
So you all you talked about

1524
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,160
Maple candy in there?
I saw something cool.

1525
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,480
This was years ago and this is
something that's like floated to

1526
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:35,160
the the back burner for me.
But what was your candy process

1527
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:35,960
like?
How'd you do it?

1528
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,080
So take the Maple syrup, bring
it inside and then put it on the

1529
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,640
stove to get it really, really
hot.

1530
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,160
I don't, I don't remember the
temperature.

1531
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:47,960
It's been a while now, but there
was a certain temperature point

1532
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,760
we're shooting for.
And then just boil it.

1533
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,520
I mean like almost like you're
gonna make like.

1534
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,640
Caramel or something like that,
right?

1535
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,720
You've got your butter and your
brown sugar and you're going

1536
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,880
after it.
That's a really weird

1537
01:14:59,880 --> 01:15:03,240
description for that process.
But do that.

1538
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:05,360
And then I just poured it into
molds, like cool.

1539
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,440
And I made suckers.
So you'd put sticks in there or

1540
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,000
just molds like little.
I don't know, look like rip your

1541
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,560
barrels or something like just
little circular molds or

1542
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:15,360
cylindrical molds.
It was.

1543
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,200
It was easy.
It's just all temperature.

1544
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:18,840
Same as actually making this up,
right?

1545
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,600
You're looking for certain
temperature points, You're

1546
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,400
looking for certain sugar
content.

1547
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:24,400
You're trying to get that when
you're trying to get to

1548
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,200
crystallized too, Yeah.
Well, don't tell the hardcore

1549
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,160
Maple there's that, because it's
density you're looking for which

1550
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:32,480
creates a temperature.
That's that.

1551
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:35,600
Sugar content though is a
measure of density, cuz it's the

1552
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,480
amount of sugar content per
whatever instrument you're

1553
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,480
making.
A lot of people go wrong because

1554
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,820
the the temperature can be
different even by the day.

1555
01:15:43,940 --> 01:15:45,420
Yeah, well, that's barometric
pressure.

1556
01:15:45,420 --> 01:15:47,420
Like all that.
It is more nuanced than I'm

1557
01:15:47,420 --> 01:15:49,380
making it sound.
I'm not trying to disparage

1558
01:15:50,220 --> 01:15:53,580
Maple syrup and makers or
enthusiasts.

1559
01:15:54,860 --> 01:15:59,060
Yes, yeah, but yeah, it mostly
is temperature.

1560
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:02,620
But the I asked because a few
years ago I saw this thing.

1561
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:04,420
Still don't know if it's true,
haven't explored it.

1562
01:16:04,420 --> 01:16:06,900
But it's something that's one of
those, like little worms that

1563
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:09,900
like dug into my mind and stuck
where they.

1564
01:16:10,580 --> 01:16:13,700
All they did to make the Maple
candy was boiled it too far, got

1565
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:15,940
it too dense and dumped it in
snow piles.

1566
01:16:16,420 --> 01:16:24,740
And it made like this moldable
kind of like kind of like a

1567
01:16:24,740 --> 01:16:30,220
taffy consistency that they
rolled onto a stick and then it

1568
01:16:30,220 --> 01:16:35,250
hardened like that and that.
That was the Maple candy one,

1569
01:16:35,290 --> 01:16:37,210
you know.
One kind of bummer about that is

1570
01:16:37,210 --> 01:16:41,170
that would be an expensive
sucker, You know, because if you

1571
01:16:41,170 --> 01:16:43,690
go too far, you have less
product as is.

1572
01:16:44,010 --> 01:16:48,410
And say you have 1/2 / 1/3 of a
pint in there.

1573
01:16:48,810 --> 01:16:52,050
You know that's like a $5 sucker
that you're having, but it might

1574
01:16:52,050 --> 01:16:54,290
be worth it.
You never know, but I've always

1575
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:57,250
been curious if that would work.
I don't remember how long they

1576
01:16:57,250 --> 01:16:59,170
lasted, so I don't know if
they're worth it like the

1577
01:16:59,170 --> 01:17:01,330
suckers themselves, like it
might have only been like 10,

1578
01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:04,360
like 10 minutes.
I don't know what your price

1579
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,000
point for 10 minutes of
enjoyment are Maple syrup, but

1580
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,920
it depends on the day.
I think that would work, cuz

1581
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,360
I've ever seen like people like
with the taffy hooks, because

1582
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,980
I'd be the same concept right?
Yeah, how fun does that job?

1583
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:17,740
Look dude, I could do that for a
while the with the taffy hooks

1584
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:20,620
and doing the different.
Colors does sweat make it taste

1585
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:23,580
better?
Because I would not be cut out

1586
01:17:23,580 --> 01:17:27,580
for that job unless they have
like a whole sweat band or on my

1587
01:17:27,580 --> 01:17:29,740
forehead and like a catcher
under my chin.

1588
01:17:29,980 --> 01:17:31,740
It would be extra salty.
That's taffy.

1589
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:34,340
I'm done everything.
Like, is this like salted

1590
01:17:34,340 --> 01:17:35,900
caramel?
I was like, no, it's that's a

1591
01:17:35,900 --> 01:17:38,060
Garret.
That's a Garret product, man.

1592
01:17:38,060 --> 01:17:39,660
That's where saltwater taffy
comes from.

1593
01:17:39,980 --> 01:17:43,650
That's that could be.
Cuz it's gotta be hot, right?

1594
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:46,850
Cuz it's warm, but it's cool to
a certain temperature where it's

1595
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:50,010
still pliable because when it
fully cools it gets pretty hard.

1596
01:17:50,090 --> 01:17:52,890
Yeah, I don't think I could do
it.

1597
01:17:53,090 --> 01:17:56,210
I think the radiant heat I would
turn into something disgusting.

1598
01:17:57,490 --> 01:18:03,870
Yeah, you do get moist.
Makes, I think.

1599
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:05,870
I sweat.
Glands work.

1600
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:08,310
I think we talked about that one
time you came, played basketball

1601
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:11,230
a couple times, and that's a
that's an untalked about

1602
01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:13,870
advantage in basketball.
No one ever wants to guard the

1603
01:18:13,870 --> 01:18:15,030
dude the.
Slippery dude.

1604
01:18:15,310 --> 01:18:19,070
Yes, shirts versus skins.
I'll be skins all day, even if

1605
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:21,710
it's not like I'm not Pete
Garrett physique right now.

1606
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:25,230
But I would do it because yeah,
you can't.

1607
01:18:25,230 --> 01:18:27,670
You try to put a hand on me.
Like hand check, like great pass

1608
01:18:27,670 --> 01:18:28,750
me.
It works.

1609
01:18:28,830 --> 01:18:31,150
It works.
We all know it like that is

1610
01:18:31,150 --> 01:18:34,150
definitely throwing me off my
game and playing pick up all

1611
01:18:34,150 --> 01:18:38,390
we're like if someone slimed
right up I'm not coming like I'm

1612
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:41,310
gonna do the old age you go
right by and I'll try to block.

1613
01:18:41,390 --> 01:18:43,030
Out I'll try to swipe as you
pass.

1614
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:45,950
Make it look like I tried.
If I don't get it, your big man

1615
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:49,150
downstairs problem because I'm
not trying to play that game and

1616
01:18:49,150 --> 01:18:52,750
like.
Yeah, that's no, I sweat a lot.

1617
01:18:52,830 --> 01:18:54,830
I don't know if it was like,
that's why I was conditioned

1618
01:18:54,830 --> 01:18:56,510
growing up and my dad was always
like.

1619
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:59,190
I can't take more off.
Y'all can put more on if you're

1620
01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:02,830
too cold and that was that was
our house model or motto.

1621
01:19:03,070 --> 01:19:06,270
So we always kept the A/C low
and I I like that to this day.

1622
01:19:06,270 --> 01:19:11,510
Like oh me and heat.
Yeah, not really matching, man.

1623
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:14,070
My wife's in the same boat.
Samantha says the same thing.

1624
01:19:14,150 --> 01:19:17,270
She likes a cold house.
And we didn't think about like

1625
01:19:17,270 --> 01:19:19,910
buying a two-story house, how
the second story stays a little

1626
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:22,070
bit warmer to where you have the
thermostat set.

1627
01:19:22,110 --> 01:19:25,430
You know she doesn't.
Bedroom on the first or second

1628
01:19:25,470 --> 01:19:27,960
floor for you second.
Yeah, it's tough.

1629
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,080
Look, we got the same situation.
That's how I know it's a tough

1630
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,560
look.
It's like I'll go sleep in the

1631
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,760
basement tonight.
Yeah, absolutely, man.

1632
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,000
Yeah, the weird things that our
bodies do.

1633
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,120
All I can think about now is the
the taffy making process.

1634
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:48,360
Like I I've seriously thought
about that in my life.

1635
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,000
Like do though, does that kind
of like work ever appeal to you,

1636
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:56,980
where it's more of like that you
can see an immediate product

1637
01:19:57,220 --> 01:20:01,860
from your output?
I just had a conversation.

1638
01:20:01,980 --> 01:20:04,620
Just it was a few months ago, I
had a conversation and one of my

1639
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:07,460
engineering friends, he's a
computer scientist, does a lot

1640
01:20:07,460 --> 01:20:10,830
of code and he's like, you know
how hard it is to develop a

1641
01:20:10,830 --> 01:20:12,350
product that you can never
touch?

1642
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:15,190
And I never thought about that
job specifically, right.

1643
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:17,470
But then I started thinking
about even, you know, marketing,

1644
01:20:17,470 --> 01:20:19,710
Like, I get to read what I write
or other people do.

1645
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:21,710
So there's like sometimes
something tangible or there's a

1646
01:20:21,710 --> 01:20:24,390
magazine or some publication
like, that's cool, right?

1647
01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:28,710
But I'm not building anything
that will be useful as a

1648
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:32,190
physical commodity.
I'm not saying what I do isn't

1649
01:20:32,190 --> 01:20:35,470
useful or beneficial at times.
I do it because I think it can

1650
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:38,680
be, and it is.
But the fact of building

1651
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:41,000
something that you can, like,
hand to somebody, like here,

1652
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:46,360
enjoy this thing, seems awesome.
And I wish sometimes I'd like

1653
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,840
sometimes I think about just the
gratification of even like, I

1654
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,680
like messing around with some
carpentry, like made a nice

1655
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,600
headboard for Brooke and I with
switches and lights and all this

1656
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:56,800
stuff.
We can plug our phones right

1657
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,400
into the headboard.
We've got.

1658
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,210
It's nothing crazy, but now I
get to see everything like,

1659
01:21:02,210 --> 01:21:05,410
yeah, like I we use that, like
that is such a benefit like that

1660
01:21:05,410 --> 01:21:07,650
has some great features that we
didn't have before.

1661
01:21:08,090 --> 01:21:10,330
So yeah, I I can identify at
that.

1662
01:21:10,370 --> 01:21:12,650
Are you in the same boat like?
There's such an appeal to it.

1663
01:21:12,770 --> 01:21:16,050
There's such an appeal to it
that like I make it a point to

1664
01:21:16,050 --> 01:21:20,290
do stuff like that because I
have to get that outlet

1665
01:21:20,450 --> 01:21:22,370
sometimes because there's such
an appeal.

1666
01:21:22,650 --> 01:21:26,410
I think that go and even past
having like the tangible product

1667
01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:32,050
at the end.
Just having it be a more a more

1668
01:21:32,250 --> 01:21:35,890
active thing to do.
So I think a really relevant

1669
01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:39,170
thing to this right now is the
whole UPS conversation.

1670
01:21:39,450 --> 01:21:43,050
Where have you seen all that
their wages are getting raised?

1671
01:21:43,330 --> 01:21:47,460
Yeah, which is awesome.
Really livable minimum wages now

1672
01:21:47,460 --> 01:21:49,900
for full time.
Like high salaries, right?

1673
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:52,140
Super high salaries, yeah, full
time U, PS:.

1674
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:55,500
Drivers, I think they're raising
it to like $44.00 an hour from

1675
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:57,780
like 40 or 41, something like
that.

1676
01:21:59,780 --> 01:22:03,980
And one, there's a couple couple
layers to that conversation that

1677
01:22:03,980 --> 01:22:08,300
we could talk about.
But one, it's weird to me to see

1678
01:22:08,740 --> 01:22:12,700
the, like the people comment to
like the web trolls, you know,

1679
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:17,050
comment on that stuff and say.
If they make 44, I deserve 54

1680
01:22:17,050 --> 01:22:20,410
because I do this and I do that.
It's like, well, that's a really

1681
01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:22,170
weird thing.
Like, I looked up how much money

1682
01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:25,490
UPS profited, and it's plenty.
So they're doing just fine.

1683
01:22:25,490 --> 01:22:27,970
Why can't the employees have
some of the people actually

1684
01:22:27,970 --> 01:22:32,930
doing it, Which is awesome.
It's a valued commodity.

1685
01:22:32,930 --> 01:22:36,570
We all need stuff delivered.
Places like and since Amazon

1686
01:22:36,570 --> 01:22:39,690
like if it's not next day or two
day, you're not competing in the

1687
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:40,730
market anymore.
Yep.

1688
01:22:41,170 --> 01:22:44,890
So it's a crucial need because
like we are conditioned to think

1689
01:22:44,890 --> 01:22:48,250
that now a. 100%, yeah, we we
are the puppets on the strings

1690
01:22:48,250 --> 01:22:53,210
that now expect that because
we've gotten it, but what we can

1691
01:22:53,210 --> 01:22:54,890
maybe talk about that more in a
in a second.

1692
01:22:54,890 --> 01:22:56,170
So I don't forget what I'm
getting at.

1693
01:22:56,170 --> 01:23:03,890
But no, the the, the aspects of
that job, the actual job,

1694
01:23:03,890 --> 01:23:07,610
thinking about doing that all
day has a certain appeal to me.

1695
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,240
At the end of the day, you know
exactly the outcome.

1696
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:17,120
There's really not a whole lot
to bring with you past that.

1697
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:21,560
You know it it's start again the
next day which has an appeal,

1698
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:26,680
right.
And just the the activity now I

1699
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,320
saw now we can dive into that
whole money thing because I

1700
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:30,880
think it's an interesting thing
to talk about.

1701
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:35,440
We could probably geek out a
little bit, but the the classic

1702
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,840
media spin that we've been
talking about in the show.

1703
01:23:38,380 --> 01:23:42,420
The headlines have been like
$170,000 a year are what you

1704
01:23:42,420 --> 01:23:44,460
know they make.
Well, if you do the quick math

1705
01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:47,220
and you had 40 bucks an hour
isn't getting you $170,000 a

1706
01:23:47,220 --> 01:23:49,300
year.
That's total compensation

1707
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:51,660
package.
So they have a really aggressive

1708
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:54,620
pension that they put a
significant amount of money in

1709
01:23:54,620 --> 01:23:58,820
every year for the employees.
That's added in, of course,

1710
01:23:59,260 --> 01:24:01,540
Health insurance benefits, stuff
like that.

1711
01:24:02,230 --> 01:24:05,670
And another thing is that UPS
drivers work a ton of overtime

1712
01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:08,550
from what I understand like
especially busy times.

1713
01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:11,030
My holidays peak times, I'm
sure.

1714
01:24:11,230 --> 01:24:12,790
Prime day?
Absolutely.

1715
01:24:12,790 --> 01:24:13,750
Just get.
Slammed.

1716
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:16,870
Yep.
So you're thinking about, OK, 44

1717
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:19,990
dollars is going to turn into 66
really quickly.

1718
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:24,040
Now that's a boatload of money.
But to me, again, I've always

1719
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,800
been kind of a workers rights
junkie.

1720
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,200
Like, I like people making
money.

1721
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:30,880
Like, you know, we've seen CEO
salaries raise and raise and

1722
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:31,840
raise.
Let's pay the people.

1723
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:33,920
So that's great.
I think it's awesome that

1724
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:36,440
they're getting paid, but like,
it's worth time.

1725
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:40,480
And 1/2 when they're on, you
know, I'll wear 11 away from

1726
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:44,240
their family and let that person
make their money.

1727
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:46,480
It's weird to me that the online
trolls get after him.

1728
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,600
And they're like, Oh my
goodness, I need this because I

1729
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:50,080
do this.
Yeah.

1730
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,000
And it's so that that might be
that competition that Terry

1731
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:54,720
Crews was talking about, like
that one.

1732
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,840
Yeah.
Like, does that really impact

1733
01:24:56,840 --> 01:25:00,360
you?
And why am I mad about it?

1734
01:25:00,520 --> 01:25:03,800
Because like you said that for
everything that we're talking

1735
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:05,360
about, it's a benefit to the
employees.

1736
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,400
Why don't we want more companies
to create benefits for their

1737
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:12,000
employees or livable wages or
increase salaries?

1738
01:25:12,460 --> 01:25:14,660
I don't think anyone's gotten a
pay raise and be like, darn, I

1739
01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:16,500
got a pay raise this year.
I wish they would have cut it.

1740
01:25:16,740 --> 01:25:18,780
No, that's never happened in the
history of the world.

1741
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:21,780
I feel like what?
So why are you jealous?

1742
01:25:21,780 --> 01:25:25,100
Like it's not a competition.
Go be a UPS driver, then then

1743
01:25:25,100 --> 01:25:26,940
you can compete with them and
like, get your route done

1744
01:25:26,940 --> 01:25:27,820
faster.
I don't know.

1745
01:25:28,220 --> 01:25:30,820
I don't know what your metric
is, if there's bonuses for that,

1746
01:25:30,820 --> 01:25:33,740
but just like, OK, then you can
do something about it though,

1747
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:35,780
like you can change.
Yeah, I don't know.

1748
01:25:35,900 --> 01:25:37,860
I always get mad when you
complain and don't have a

1749
01:25:37,860 --> 01:25:41,070
solution, or if you critique and
don't have a good solution

1750
01:25:41,070 --> 01:25:43,350
because I was just complaining
or I don't know, I came up with

1751
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:45,510
some quote that I thought
sounded smart and I regurgitated

1752
01:25:45,510 --> 01:25:49,430
sometimes.
Yeah, and that's a thing.

1753
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:52,230
I another thing I saw, I don't
know how true this is, but it

1754
01:25:52,230 --> 01:25:55,950
takes them a long time to be the
full time certified status.

1755
01:25:55,950 --> 01:25:59,870
A lot of people kind of toil
through the part time for years

1756
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:02,910
waiting for that full time
positional because I don't know

1757
01:26:02,910 --> 01:26:04,670
if they have specific routes or
how they do it.

1758
01:26:05,190 --> 01:26:10,690
But yeah, I think that's a.
That's a common misconception.

1759
01:26:10,690 --> 01:26:15,370
I think and I think some of it
comes from, I don't know that

1760
01:26:15,410 --> 01:26:19,130
everyone has a really solid
understanding of like corporate

1761
01:26:19,130 --> 01:26:21,090
profit structure and things like
that.

1762
01:26:21,090 --> 01:26:25,330
Because I think a lot of our
lenses come from small business.

1763
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:28,690
That's what we are like.
We all have a neighbor.

1764
01:26:28,690 --> 01:26:30,930
We all have a friend.
We all have a family member that

1765
01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:34,690
owns a small business and
understand the.

1766
01:26:35,670 --> 01:26:39,430
Some of the hurdles that that
can be to pay somebody what you

1767
01:26:39,430 --> 01:26:41,910
wish you could.
As a small business owner

1768
01:26:42,670 --> 01:26:45,670
working broadcasting for a
while, I saw that first hand of

1769
01:26:45,670 --> 01:26:49,670
how small business is impacted
compared to when you know what

1770
01:26:49,670 --> 01:26:53,470
your bottom line is and you know
what the place is making that

1771
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:57,510
can be really tough.
That's a very, very different

1772
01:26:57,510 --> 01:27:00,430
thing than U PS:'s goes through
on a daily basis.

1773
01:27:00,860 --> 01:27:03,740
And they've made the decision to
treat their employees well

1774
01:27:03,740 --> 01:27:06,940
because they know it's going to
end up good for business in the

1775
01:27:06,940 --> 01:27:09,540
long run.
We hear about everybody.

1776
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:12,020
This war for talent have been
struggling to find people.

1777
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:15,740
I guarantee they're not at a
loss of applicants to be full

1778
01:27:15,740 --> 01:27:18,140
time delivery driver.
No, I mean if you can increase

1779
01:27:18,140 --> 01:27:21,980
your wages by what is that 10%,
a $4.00 increase at $40 or

1780
01:27:21,980 --> 01:27:25,740
something like that, yeah.
Who's not going to take a 10%

1781
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:27,380
increase?
Yeah, that's unheard of.

1782
01:27:27,380 --> 01:27:31,570
I feel like in like besides like
maybe where you have big bonus

1783
01:27:31,570 --> 01:27:33,530
structures and day trading or
something like that when you're

1784
01:27:33,530 --> 01:27:38,050
hitting quotas or sales, but in
a regular 9:00 to 5:00 or maybe

1785
01:27:38,050 --> 01:27:41,450
in this area six to two like in
manufacturing, you're not seeing

1786
01:27:41,450 --> 01:27:44,050
that, you're over, you're seeing
your cost of living increase.

1787
01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:46,770
And if you're lucky and it might
not even keep up with inflation,

1788
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:50,170
especially these last few years,
like, yeah, no, good for you.

1789
01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,170
UPS, You said UPS.
Yeah.

1790
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:53,690
OK, Yeah.
Yeah.

1791
01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:56,450
No, I'll have to look into that.
I feel so uninformed.

1792
01:27:57,890 --> 01:27:59,850
Man, But yeah, that so kind of
get back.

1793
01:28:00,510 --> 01:28:03,190
That type of work, there's a,
there's a draw, there's a draw

1794
01:28:03,190 --> 01:28:07,390
to it, and I think that outlet
comes out, you know, for

1795
01:28:07,390 --> 01:28:09,950
everyone in different ways
probably, yeah.

1796
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:12,630
Tell me about that.
So you made a headboard and you

1797
01:28:12,630 --> 01:28:18,070
put outlets and stuff in it.
Yeah, well, I it works.

1798
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:20,350
It has, though.
I put a power strip on the back

1799
01:28:20,910 --> 01:28:24,190
and then I ran chargers that
came out.

1800
01:28:24,190 --> 01:28:27,790
And so there's individual, like
instead of night stands, they're

1801
01:28:27,790 --> 01:28:30,710
built into the headboard.
There's little shelves, and then

1802
01:28:30,710 --> 01:28:34,550
they have little chargers that
sit and a little adapter, so you

1803
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:36,550
can just plug your phone right
into the headboard, flush with

1804
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:38,710
it pretty much, and then you've
got your phone charging.

1805
01:28:38,710 --> 01:28:41,030
And then we've got individual
lights with switches right on

1806
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:43,550
the side.
So like, I read a lot, something

1807
01:28:43,550 --> 01:28:45,470
I really enjoy.
So if I'm reading at night, I

1808
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:47,750
can just toggle my switch on and
off just by reaching over.

1809
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:49,270
I don't have to go flip a switch
anywhere.

1810
01:28:49,470 --> 01:28:51,670
So everything's wired.
So it comes directly to your

1811
01:28:51,670 --> 01:28:53,710
side.
So I don't know.

1812
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:56,190
You know what boggles my mind is
that you do it most of your

1813
01:28:56,190 --> 01:28:59,920
reading on your phone.
Oh well, I get the Kindle

1814
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,800
Unlimited app.
It's a monthly subscription and

1815
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,080
I am the customer they didn't
plan the app for.

1816
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:09,560
I make sure I get every dollar
worth cuz I read as much as

1817
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,440
possible.
Yeah, so that's why I probably

1818
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:15,910
read most on my phone.
I have every library membership

1819
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:19,150
in the county too, but rarely do
I pick up a physical book

1820
01:29:19,150 --> 01:29:21,030
nowadays.
Samantha's been doing that too,

1821
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:23,550
but I do.
You have a Kindle too?

1822
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:25,150
No, you don't.
So you don't even have the

1823
01:29:25,150 --> 01:29:26,350
Kindle.
You have Kindle Unlimited and

1824
01:29:26,350 --> 01:29:28,910
you just do it on your phone.
Yep, See, she has the Kindle and

1825
01:29:28,910 --> 01:29:32,910
the phone and there will be
strategically placed throughout

1826
01:29:32,910 --> 01:29:36,180
the house, I've noticed.
Having a 2 year old, it's

1827
01:29:36,180 --> 01:29:38,580
different when you get time to
do something.

1828
01:29:38,580 --> 01:29:41,500
So she'll have him placed like
okay if he's sitting and eating

1829
01:29:41,500 --> 01:29:43,020
for a while.
Bang, I'm gonna read on my

1830
01:29:43,020 --> 01:29:45,140
Kindle for a little bit.
If she gets a chance to sit on

1831
01:29:45,140 --> 01:29:47,060
the couch for a minute, boom,
she can read her phone there.

1832
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:52,740
Yeah, Ida.
And it's probably.

1833
01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:55,290
Easier than I think it would be,
because it's the same as

1834
01:29:55,290 --> 01:29:57,770
strolling, scrolling, you know,
Like you just, yeah, and you can

1835
01:29:57,770 --> 01:30:00,170
adjust the text size, everything
like that.

1836
01:30:01,050 --> 01:30:03,970
I do it cuz I like I'm the weird
guy, like I'm waiting at a

1837
01:30:03,970 --> 01:30:05,370
concert.
There's an hour we got there an

1838
01:30:05,370 --> 01:30:07,370
hour early.
I'll SWIP up my phone and read

1839
01:30:07,970 --> 01:30:09,610
like, I don't know, I need to
pass the time.

1840
01:30:09,610 --> 01:30:12,410
And if I'm not with a group,
people like, whatever, I'll just

1841
01:30:12,410 --> 01:30:14,610
read.
So I like just having it on me

1842
01:30:14,610 --> 01:30:16,330
all the time.
I got that thing on me.

1843
01:30:18,210 --> 01:30:19,610
Keep it loaded.
Lots of books.

1844
01:30:21,290 --> 01:30:23,510
Yeah, man.
Well, yeah, So that's that's

1845
01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:25,390
probably why I read on my phone.
Just convenience.

1846
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:28,230
Yeah, I'm wondering if.
I'm wondering if we're going to

1847
01:30:28,230 --> 01:30:31,190
be able to hear my cat eating
right now.

1848
01:30:31,190 --> 01:30:33,470
I forgot to.
I forgot to lock the cat door

1849
01:30:33,630 --> 01:30:35,790
and luckily he's leaving.
That one.

1850
01:30:35,790 --> 01:30:38,030
Doesn't really.
That one cares so much about

1851
01:30:38,030 --> 01:30:40,230
what people think.
Yeah, don't touch that one, I

1852
01:30:40,270 --> 01:30:42,150
was told.
Yeah, he does this.

1853
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:46,870
So he's the classic cat where,
like, he tries to intimidate

1854
01:30:46,910 --> 01:30:48,910
anybody that comes in the house
that doesn't live here.

1855
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:50,990
Like he literally thinks he's a
lion.

1856
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:54,370
And he's ��3.00 or ��7.00 or
whatever a cat is.

1857
01:30:54,810 --> 01:30:57,130
So his couple of his go to
moves.

1858
01:30:57,130 --> 01:31:00,050
Someone will come over and like
sit on our couch and he'll like

1859
01:31:00,410 --> 01:31:04,450
perch right behind their head
and just be like, I'm here, I'm

1860
01:31:04,450 --> 01:31:07,490
here and he'll like look at him
monitoring, monitoring,

1861
01:31:07,490 --> 01:31:11,290
watching.
And then he does this.

1862
01:31:12,330 --> 01:31:16,450
He plays this possum.
Or like he's very fluffy and

1863
01:31:16,530 --> 01:31:20,610
he's incredibly soft.
And he just looks really cute.

1864
01:31:20,890 --> 01:31:24,330
So he'll do this thing where he,
like everybody thinks that he

1865
01:31:24,330 --> 01:31:28,370
wants you to pet them All signs
point to pet me, I'm a Kitty.

1866
01:31:28,970 --> 01:31:35,210
And then as soon as the hand
touches a cat, complete 180 and

1867
01:31:35,210 --> 01:31:39,210
you're bit.
So yeah, he he plays this, he

1868
01:31:39,210 --> 01:31:41,610
plays this part really well of
the villain.

1869
01:31:41,770 --> 01:31:44,970
I think he thinks that he he
could probably take down the

1870
01:31:44,970 --> 01:31:49,110
wildebeest by himself, but.
Yeah, he's something else.

1871
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:51,510
You don't touch.
That one was a fellow cat

1872
01:31:51,510 --> 01:31:52,430
person.
Yeah.

1873
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:55,070
Like, I came in right away.
And what's the Gray one's name?

1874
01:31:55,150 --> 01:31:56,910
Leo.
Yeah, I was scratching Leo's

1875
01:31:56,910 --> 01:31:57,630
chin.
I'd.

1876
01:31:57,910 --> 01:31:59,550
I don't know.
My cat woke me up by sitting

1877
01:31:59,550 --> 01:32:02,190
like, literally on my face today
and the fluffy one.

1878
01:32:02,190 --> 01:32:05,070
And I'm like, like inhaling
cattail.

1879
01:32:05,070 --> 01:32:08,350
And I was like, what is this?
So I was like 4:00 AM and I was

1880
01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:10,750
like, alright, like.
We're putting you outside?

1881
01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:13,710
No, just outside our bedroom.
Like, occasionally, like,

1882
01:32:13,710 --> 01:32:15,030
alright, we gotta actually
sleep.

1883
01:32:15,790 --> 01:32:19,480
So yeah, no, I I was going to
pet them, but I will not.

1884
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,800
Cats are interesting creatures,
man.

1885
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:27,760
They're a great patent companion
and who says otherwise is a

1886
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,120
liar.
It's like any creature that they

1887
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:31,880
all have their own
personalities, though, and

1888
01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:35,320
that's what's so wild to me.
Like, we have one that is the

1889
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:38,760
biggest cuddler ever.
Our little cat, our tabby Oliver

1890
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,080
and adorable and just if you are
on the couch, he is on your lap

1891
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:44,960
or he's right next to you.
If you're in the bed, he's in

1892
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,280
the bed laying against you.
Like he just wants to be pet.

1893
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,880
You bring him to the vet, he was
gonna bite everyone.

1894
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:51,720
Like it's just like it's just
crazy.

1895
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,320
The other one doesn't want to be
by you, goes to the vet, doesn't

1896
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:55,680
care.
Like it's just crazy their

1897
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,200
personality, like how much it
switches in certain

1898
01:32:58,200 --> 01:33:00,320
circumstances.
Or just from cat to cat.

1899
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:03,200
Yeah, I've come around.
I've come around like.

1900
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:08,080
Samantha is the cat person of
the two the cat she's the you

1901
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:11,000
know she the cat came with her.
Leo originally and then I've

1902
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,000
turned into a cat person.
Like I'm like the I'm the come a

1903
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,000
longer you know I came with a
dog.

1904
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,000
Sadly he's gone.
But I was always, you know, I

1905
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,880
grew up with a dog same.
And it didn't.

1906
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,800
It didn't take much.
It didn't take you hear.

1907
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:26,960
You hear people like disparage
cats a little bit.

1908
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,920
You're right.
They they they're the people

1909
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,840
that don't understand cats.
They don't get the vibe, Yeah.

1910
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,390
And they're so low maintenance.
I don't want to have to like, I

1911
01:33:35,390 --> 01:33:37,470
don't know, I can go for a
vacation.

1912
01:33:37,470 --> 01:33:40,070
I don't have to worry about
finding like a dog sitter.

1913
01:33:40,630 --> 01:33:42,910
And we got like 5 litter boxes.
It feels like around the house

1914
01:33:42,910 --> 01:33:45,750
we got automatic feed or water
fountain, like they're living in

1915
01:33:45,750 --> 01:33:46,790
luxury.
It's great.

1916
01:33:46,950 --> 01:33:48,190
Like good for them.
Yeah.

1917
01:33:48,350 --> 01:33:51,030
So I don't know, I'm cat person
with you.

1918
01:33:51,030 --> 01:33:53,830
Producer Dan recently got a cat
within the past few years, and

1919
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:59,150
he's come around too.
We're slowly, slowly

1920
01:33:59,150 --> 01:34:01,270
assimilating more people to our
side, yeah.

1921
01:34:01,670 --> 01:34:02,950
Yeah, they're cool little
critters.

1922
01:34:03,670 --> 01:34:06,430
Funky, strange.
Same scenario, that one, you

1923
01:34:06,430 --> 01:34:07,950
know.
And then Leo is like the

1924
01:34:07,950 --> 01:34:10,390
ultimate needy cat.
He constantly wants to be

1925
01:34:10,390 --> 01:34:12,950
petted, constant anywhere you
are.

1926
01:34:12,950 --> 01:34:16,790
Like he's trying to dig in and
and get his clothes as possible.

1927
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:19,070
And it's wild.
Yeah.

1928
01:34:19,590 --> 01:34:21,830
No, I I love pets.
Having a pet in the house

1929
01:34:21,830 --> 01:34:24,030
though, it's like I don't think
I could do no pet.

1930
01:34:24,430 --> 01:34:26,620
Yeah, I don't know.
I've always grown up with pets.

1931
01:34:26,620 --> 01:34:29,780
Like I had dogs growing up and
parents always had labs

1932
01:34:30,340 --> 01:34:33,500
predominantly.
I'd say it'd be quiet, but cats

1933
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:37,500
are relatively quiet so it'd be,
I don't know, mine are always

1934
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:41,420
knocking shit over like we're
waking up in the middle of

1935
01:34:41,420 --> 01:34:43,460
night.
There's a big crash and like he

1936
01:34:43,460 --> 01:34:45,740
knocked over one of our chairs
from our table.

1937
01:34:45,740 --> 01:34:48,620
Like how does a whole chair?
How does a nine pound cat do

1938
01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:50,900
that?
Apparently if you slam your body

1939
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:53,220
at the back of the chair hard
enough, it falls over, is what

1940
01:34:53,220 --> 01:34:54,540
we've learned.
Cuz he's now done it multiple

1941
01:34:54,540 --> 01:34:58,600
times the whole like a wooden,
like a wooden hardwood chair

1942
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,440
this gas a psycho.
He's like human like he's a he's

1943
01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:05,360
a kitten Wrecking Ball, a furry
furry machine of destruction.

1944
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,640
I don't understand.
And like we have, Brooke bought

1945
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:12,360
like a 36 pack of their favorite
toy one day and they're all

1946
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:14,000
under the couch.
Not even one day.

1947
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,120
It's six hours.
It's like, what are you doing?

1948
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:17,120
Like, come on.
What?

1949
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:18,320
What's the favorite toy?
What is it?

1950
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:21,440
It's a little like fluff ball.
It's literally just a yarn ball,

1951
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,000
multi colored.
And then the other one is like

1952
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:25,520
little plastic springs.
So each cat has their favorite

1953
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,720
toy and they'll carry them
around in their mouth and meow

1954
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,120
until you throw and play fetch
with them.

1955
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,960
So you can just sit there and
play fetch with them for minutes

1956
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,720
on end.
Yeah, and I'll just go get it.

1957
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,840
Oliver, the older one for a long
time, like until you stop

1958
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,680
throwing it and then he'll
continue to meow until he gets

1959
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,200
sick of it.
The younger 1 Onyx one or two

1960
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:49,040
times, he's not as trainable.
He's got, he's the one that

1961
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:50,440
knocks over the chairs and
stuff.

1962
01:35:50,440 --> 01:35:53,400
It's like a tornado every night.
That's great.

1963
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:55,480
So he doesn't when he gets like
the some people call it the

1964
01:35:55,480 --> 01:35:57,520
zoomies, some people we call it
getting in a mood.

1965
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,920
He does it when he starts
running around and then yeah, we

1966
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:03,400
just hear things like crashing.
We don't know what they are cuz

1967
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,280
we don't have that many things
like out in our house.

1968
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:07,480
Like it's just my wife and I
like freaking.

1969
01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:09,320
I don't have that much stuff I
feel like.

1970
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,360
But it's a good thing you don't,
like, have your address.

1971
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:15,160
Outwardly, you know, it'd be
easy to break and enter just

1972
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:16,280
Oliver.
Just the cat.

1973
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:20,560
Or just Onyx, Just the cat.
Yeah, I mean, we do lock our

1974
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,970
doors, but he might he might
tear someone up though.

1975
01:36:23,970 --> 01:36:25,850
He's a little psycho.
He really is crazy.

1976
01:36:26,090 --> 01:36:29,130
Yeah, we just found out.
I I just saw it earlier in the

1977
01:36:29,130 --> 01:36:34,770
week on our son can now reach
the deadbolt of the of the door

1978
01:36:35,290 --> 01:36:37,170
to get outside.
So that'll be a whole another.

1979
01:36:37,690 --> 01:36:38,930
You got a runner?
Yeah.

1980
01:36:38,930 --> 01:36:39,490
Where?
Yeah.

1981
01:36:40,050 --> 01:36:42,850
He walked out into the garage
all by himself yesterday.

1982
01:36:44,090 --> 01:36:47,210
I was upstairs and I heard
Samantha say, where you going?

1983
01:36:47,690 --> 01:36:49,450
And she had to run out of the
garage.

1984
01:36:49,450 --> 01:36:52,750
He was out there all by himself.
Just taking it, going for a

1985
01:36:52,750 --> 01:36:57,590
drive off.
Crazy.

1986
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:59,470
Yeah, it.
Was awesome having you on the

1987
01:36:59,470 --> 01:37:01,390
show, man.
I appreciate you having me.

1988
01:37:01,390 --> 01:37:01,990
It was fun.