Ed the Diver - Diving, Clean Waterways, and Social Media Career - Ep. #9

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Whatever, it's.
It's life.

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You probably make this Dr.
relatively frequently, huh?

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Yeah, I come down to Green Bay a
lot.

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So either to dive or for for
meetings a lot of this year it's

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been a lot of like news
stations, radio shows, podcasts.

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I've done a lot down here, but
I've done some from home also.

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Yeah, you're kind of in that
spot right now like where it

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it's like balloons faster than
probably you would have

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expected.
Yeah, that was kind of the goal

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cuz I this is my first year
doing this full time.

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So as soon as I quit my job at
the end of December last year,

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my full time job at intercom, I
was doing Underground Electric.

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As soon as I was done, I started
contacting a lot of different

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agencies and saying, hey, this
is what I do.

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And you're like, Oh yeah, we've
seen your videos, we've heard of

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you.
When can we meet up?

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So it was really cool, like like
January this year, I got a bunch

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of stuff, radio, some news.
January, January, March or

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January, February, March.
So I was really busy, even at

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that TV show. 2 episodes and
that'll air pretty soon here.

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So it ballooned.
Yeah.

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So a year you've been doing it?
Yep, So January 1st will be a

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year that I've been doing this
full time.

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I know it's slow in the middle
of the year, the lure sales and

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stuff, but I was able to travel
a lot and get a lot of footage.

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But now I'm like finally trying
to catch up.

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Now that it's winter, it'll be
editing time.

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I'm trying to catch up with
about 30 videos, 30 different

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dives.
Yeah.

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So how long had you been doing
it like part time before you

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started?
Just took the dive to just full

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time be at the diver.
So I think it was 2017.

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I started just going and you
know, that wasn't really diving

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and I was just walking, wading
through the water, picking up

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lures with a Golf Club Retriever
and in cold water had some

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waders on.
But then in the summer I would

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dive down underwater, hold my
breath about 3-4 feet of water,

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grab lures.
And then the next year I wanted

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to do it kind of get in the
water sooner underwater.

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So I bought a suit, wet suit.
That's why I started diving.

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And then I then I ended up
getting a camera for my go for

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my mask, got a GoPro, and then I
started learning how to edit

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videos and that was kind of
tough, but figured that out.

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And then after that, someone
taught me to scuba diving.

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So I got scuba certified and
just blew up after that, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.
So where did the IT sounds like

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the interest started then
finding lures like how did the

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interest start in this in doing?
It all right.

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So yeah, I was explaining this
yesterday out in Milwaukeea.

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So my kids, I want to teach them
how to fish.

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I've got two kids, they're 18
and 20 now almost.

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And so, you know, I lose lures
myself.

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And when you have kids, they're
going to lose lures.

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They're going to get snagged on
rocks, snagged on trees,

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everything.
So after having a tackle box

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full of lures, couple weeks or
couple months, you look back at

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your tackle box, it's empty
pretty much.

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So I had to get those back and
that was the way I got them back

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and instead of just getting mine
back, I was getting everybody

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else's back too and and cleaning
up the line, the lures.

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And then I seen the need for
picking up trash too.

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So then I started putting up a
basket on my board so I could

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throw bottles and cans and and
paper plastic in there and it

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just ballooned.
After that it kind of exploded,

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expanded, whatever you want to
call it.

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Yeah, such a it's such a unique
thing that you do.

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But there is in that niche,
there are some others that like

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have there's one on the YouTube
that I've seen that they they

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like dive and they the videos
that went big that I saw of

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theirs, they're like fine, like
conspicuous stuff, right.

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Like they end up calling the
cops and have to do that but

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I've never seen it.
It's so interesting to start

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with the fishing lure aspect and
I mean living in the area that

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you do like it's a really unique
way that works out like so many

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lures specific times a year.
It's very very busy.

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Do you make it a point to like
go down to the river when it's

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real busy and?
Yes.

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So in the springtime spring
walleye run where everybody's

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shoulder to shoulder, fishing,
combat, fishing.

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I try to get out there before
there's too many crowds.

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Or I try to get in the spots
where people aren't fishing and

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I keep my distance away because
usually they're throwing up

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current, they're reeling in the
lures, coming back.

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You know, it's just kind of like
a cycle, cast up, reel in, cast

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up, reeling.
So I'll stay away from that

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area, but I'll I'll start diving
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water is like 3233° or ice is
gone and it's cold, very cold.

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And I start collecting lures
then and people around the bank

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still fishing.
So I'll throw them lures that

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I'm that I'm I'm finding on the
water and then I keep of course

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some for myself for my business.
And it's just really enjoyable

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experience and there's many
places to go do it because Fox

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River, Menominee River,
O'Connell River, Peshtigo River,

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like Walleye are coming in all
these places.

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So they're just big treasure
troves, Kind, I guess.

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Treasure, trash, troves, all
kinds of stuff.

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Yeah, I'm sure we will talk
later about it.

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Some of the you had to find some
weird stuff, but I I want to

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know first like before we get
too far away.

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Like you said you were doing
some underground electric work

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before.
How How did your career in life

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lead to Ed the diver?
Like what?

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What was Pre Ed the diver?
So I actually, I graduated from

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Lena High School.
That's where I I kind of grew

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up.
I also graduated from NWTC in

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Green Bay with a associate
degree in law enforcement,

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criminal justice, law
enforcement.

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And I started when I was 18 but
finished when I was 27 because I

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got married, had kids, took a
break and then came back in full

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force, finished it off.
But I never became a cop.

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I ended up working at a couple
factories in Marinette and then

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was at Marinette Marine.
I ended up being the the

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security supervisor there for a
couple of years and then I

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decided hey, I've got my two
kids.

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I was married at the time, she
had two kids and I said I need

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to make more money, got a lot of
bills.

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So I decided to do Underground
Electric with my brother and it

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just it was awesome.
I mean make more more money than

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a cop would make doing that.
So and you don't need an

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education.
So I did that for like 9 years.

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But then on the last couple
years, I started diving and

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preparing for my own business
and it just just blew up.

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So yeah, so it was in your mind
for a while, like when from when

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you started making videos, like
how long was that till you

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started being like, hey, you
know, this could be a career,

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like you're probably started
making a little bit of money

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doing it.
But then how did that transition

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happen where you're like, man,
this I might be able to do this

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as a job?
So I started making the videos

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on YouTube and it wasn't really
my my dream to be a a YouTube

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star.
You know I just wanted to to get

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videos outlet people see what's
underwater, the effects of the

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line and the hooks that are left
underwater on the environment

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And it just my YouTube channel
didn't really blow up at all but

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I had a lot of people watching
from all over the world started

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getting comments people thanking
me for cleaning up the

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environment and I started
sharing stuff on Facebook and I

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got a lot of good feedback
there.

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But then I started a TikTok
account and that just blew up.

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And so I was ended up doing live
shows every week, doing a lot of

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giveaways to grow my audience
and you know, grow my all my

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followers and get people to
watch my live shows.

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And it just, I think TikTok was
one that really blew up.

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And then I got Instagram, tried
Twitter, but that's really

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tough.
It's still still hard to do that

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one.
But it's it's just been cool to

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to go through the cycle and
you'll learn about monetization.

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You learn about verification,
all this stuff, and you go

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through all those attempts of
trying to get verified different

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channels and they keep denying
you.

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Kind of stinky, but.
Yeah.

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So you were doing that even
before you decided to do it full

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time.
You were starting to.

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Yes.
OK yeah.

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So checking out a bunch of your
content, man, that that's one

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thing where we align a lot.
So sustainability is big passion

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of mine.
And it seems like that outside

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of getting your lures back and
saving some money, it seems like

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that kind of is what ballooned
your interest in doing what you

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do.
Like what?

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Did you just start getting down
there and just seeing how much

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stuff fishing actually leaves
behind or?

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Yeah, I mean, you never know
when you're fishing, you lose

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lures left and right.
You know, some guys will go down

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and lose $300 worth of lures in
a day or a couple hours and then

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they go to the store, buy some
more and go back and lose them.

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But when you multiply that
times, you know, a couple 100

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people fishing on the banks,
there's a lot of stuff down

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there and you never know until
you get down there and see it in

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person, whether they're stuck on
rocks, trees, logging cribs,

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bicycles, whatever is down
there, snagging them up.

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So it was a pretty, pretty big
eye opener.

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And a lot of people mentioned
that in my, in my videos, a

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comment like, oh, I never
realized there's so much stuff

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down there.
Didn't realize this really

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affected the water life that
much.

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So I'm trying to educate people
as they go along here.

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And and then looking for lures
in line, you start seeing all

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that trash and you start seeing
all the snags, bicycles, rims,

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sandbags, different stuff that
people throw in there that

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doesn't belong there that will
snag people up.

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And I try to get rid of all that
stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what, What are some of the,

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you know, you've had to find
things other than fishing lures?

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What else is down there you
know, that you were surprised to

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find?
So, so far I've only found one

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actual gun, a rifle that was all
wrapped up in plastic electrical

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tape.
They gave it to the Sheriff's

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Department.
They couldn't find the owner or

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any crime committed with it, so
I got it back after three

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months.
Oh really?

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You get it back.
I got got it back, yeah.

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Probably not operable.
No, it's it's kind of rusty.

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It could be refinished or you
know, worked on and made to work

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again, but I like the way it is.
Yeah, it's kind of like a

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trophy.
Yep.

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And I got a lot, a lot of
trophies at home.

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So I find found a couple BB gun,
handguns, a toy revolver, lot of

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phones, cell phones, Apple
watches.

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Let's see here.
You know, a hearing aid,

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jewelry, rings, drones, all
kinds of stuff.

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Just anything you can imagine
you.

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Found a whole drone.
I guess that makes sense.

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You're flying over the water and
it hit something a, you know,

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tree or a power liner, and
you're not getting it back.

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Yep.
Yeah.

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And I've had in the springtime
this, I think it was 2 springs

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ago.
Someone was flying their drone

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trying to get shots of people
fishing on the river, but they

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hit the power line and it went
right down in the river in the

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current.
And he asked me to go find it

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and I said, hey, it's the
water's pretty cold right now.

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The current is too strong.
There's too many people fishing.

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It's like I I won't be able to
go in there right now, but I can

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in a couple months or a month.
And but I went back there looked

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many times and the current must
have just took it way far away

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or something.
Yeah.

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So that had to be something you
said someone talked you into

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scuba diving how what's the
learning curve like for that and

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and how'd you because you talk
about the current and that has

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to be different like doing a
river than a lake like how did

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how did that play out?
So when I when I was just free

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diving in a wetsuit, you can
hold your breath and you're less

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of a current and you don't
really have to worry about too

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much have a little weight, extra
weight on my waist to hold me

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down because your suits buoyant.
It'll make you float and you

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need to wait to get down.
But I think when I started scuba

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diving, another scuba diver was
out there and he saw me just

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hold my breath and he I went and
talked to him and he said, hey,

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why don't you get scuba
certified?

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And my excuse was, well, I don't
want all that stuff on my back.

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I don't want the stuff in my
mouth and all that extra stuff

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looks scary.
So and he talked to me.

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No it's not.
I used to go go to M&M diving

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and I already knew of the place
in in Menominee next to me and

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he said, dad, just go talk to
him, set up a class and he'll

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answer your questions.
So I did that and I got

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certified.
I think it's 2019 in the in the

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fall and I just when the waters
get pretty cold and I was

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already used to the cold water
but then after that it just it

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just exploded.
You know, I I was finding more

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stuff, I was safer.
I was able to go deeper and not

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worry about getting hooked or
something underwater and being

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stuck there trying to come up
for air because I could breathe.

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So just the best, the safest
option was doing that, getting

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certified.
Yeah, so how That's one thing I

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thought of while watching your
videos is like how often does

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your, like wet suit get hooked
on not only fishing hooks but

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anything down there because you
like you navigate through some

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tight areas and and like how how
often does your wet suit get

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hooked and and.
So, well, my gloves, they're

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part of my gear.
They I go through a lot every

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year, probably like 3 or 4
pairs.

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But the hooks will tear my my
fingers apart, especially on my

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left hand for some reason.
So I've got all these gloves

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with the left hand's bad, the
right's still good, but so I

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think it must be how I grab
them.

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But they hook them there and
you're always ripping them out.

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And then once in a while you'll
look down you'll you'll see a

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hook on your leg or or a lure
stuck in your leg or your arm.

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But it happens, and you just you
just take it out.

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And when you're underwater,
navigating through all that, the

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rocks, all the line and
different stuff, you'll feel it

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on your fins, the line stuck
around there.

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And you have to get it off right
away, otherwise it's going to

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wreck your fins from rubbing
back and forth.

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It'll wreck your gear and your
hoses.

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Which I'm sure isn't the
cheapest stuff on on earth.

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No, I think.
I think the setup I wear when I

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dive is probably around $2500
Between my suit, my gloves, my

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camera mask, my, my BC
regulator, octopus, and, you

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know, everything else.
Yeah, so it's not definitely not

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cheap.
And then it wear the wear and

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tear.
You got to always have new

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stuff.
So I got like 11 suits and a lot

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of gloves, probably about 10 air
tanks and a couple extra

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octopuses and regulators just in
case.

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So how often do you dive?
Like how often do you actually?

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How many dives would you say you
did in the past year doing this

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full?
This year probably like 50 or 60

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and that's that's traveling,
traveling all across the

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Midwest.
Usually I do more, but this year

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I've been like I said, I was
working more on social media

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stuff and working on getting on
the public, traveling more.

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But a lot of times I'll just
stick around.

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The first couple of years I was
just sticking around about an

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hour and a half from my house
and so it's easier to travel,

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dive, travel, dive.
But this year I did longer trips

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where you're traveling more,
less diving and and then it's

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also with social media and with
all this other stuff, it takes a

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lot of time out from your diving
because you got to do all that

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stuff too.
Isn't that interesting?

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You started doing it as a full
time job and now you actually

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dive a little bit less than you
were previously.

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You know, actually our last
guest we talked about that a

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little bit how like passion and
career, when they align,

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sometimes it like changes things
a little bit.

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Has it changed diving for you at
all yet?

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Diving is the the funnest thing
of of my job.

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But it it like you said it's I'm
getting doing less and less of

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it and it's it's it's kind of it
makes me want to get out there

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again and more but and I I need
to find help.

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So I need to find somebody to
edit for me, and I need to find

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somebody to scrub lures and
scrub bottles and all these

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frisbee golf disc so I'm not
sitting there for hours.

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Then trying to find owners of
stuff that takes a lot of time,

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research, investigation.
But once I find those people,

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I'll be able to get out there
more and just do what I love to

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do, Dive.
Yeah, so that's a pretty regular

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thing.
How like you would you find

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these random things and you try
to find who they belong to.

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How does that?
Even if it's not like a cell

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phone or so, how does it work?
Even if it is a cell phone, how

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do you find?
It so you just say you just find

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a random cell phone.
It doesn't work.

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I'll bring it home.
I'll dry it out.

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Now I'm starting to take them
apart, learning how to take them

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apart, so then you can actually
try them out better.

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Then after that you try to power
them up, after you think it's

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safe, then you try to get any
information off a picture or you

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try to get the medical ID off
that.

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When you go to close your phone
down, there's like a medical ID

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you can look at and it'll give
you, give you their name, age,

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emergency contact and stuff like
that.

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And that's kind of the same with
Apple Watches also.

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You can do that, but I mean,
sometimes they don't work.

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So the batteries expanded a
little bit or something's off

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with it or something got fried
so you can't get it to work.

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So just goes in the trophy shelf
just as a decoration.

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But I get a lot of people that
since I find a lot of Apple

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Watches, a lot of people see a
black Apple Watch I found and

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say, hey, that's mine, I lost it
at this place.

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And then you get three or four
other people.

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It's my black Apple Watch and
you can't really figure it out

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unless you get it working,
unless you get the information

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on it.
And I think that the last one I

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did, I couldn't get it working
and I had four people trying to

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claim it, so whatever.
Yeah, it's weird that there's so

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many Apple Watches.
I wonder how, how and why that

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ends up being a lost in the
water item phones.

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You can see, you know they're
coming out but how does the the

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watch come off your?
Hands so Apple Watches, they're

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they're they're waterproof up
just certain amount of certain

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depth.
But what they are not is like

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slap proof or like when you jump
in the water and your hand hits

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the water, the band just opens
up and falls off.

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So whether you're coming down a
slide and hitting the water,

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whether you're jumping off a
rock or, you know on a zip line,

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you fall in the water, it's most
likely going to come off.

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And we find a lot of them.
Got you from swimmers.

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Yep, swimmers, yeah.
That makes sense.

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Maybe you'll find my phone
someday.

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Man, I I got my phone got stolen
a while back when I was at a

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park and I found my phone case
on the side of the road.

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But once they figure out you
can't do something with that, it

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probably just gets hooked out
the window.

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You know, yeah.
So I don't know much about phone

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tracking.
And I mean if you have find your

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phone like on another phone or
something, you, you could

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probably do that.
But I think most of the time I

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do recoveries for people that
call me and say, hey, I dropped

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my phone, you know, off the boat
in this area and usually they'll

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pin it.
I dropped it off a dock right

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over here.
I can go find it pretty easy,

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pretty quickly, even in mud.
I've had a lot of jobs where

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you're digging through mud, you
can't see nothing, it just stirs

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it all up and you're just
underwater, just probing around

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like that until you find it.
Yeah.

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And that that's a whole another
part of your business, right?

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Like just specific calls or from
singular people saying hey can

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you die for ABC item I lost.
So on call.

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So people call me say hey, I'm
at the Marina what do you charge

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to come look for my phone or my
keys or whatever and I'll, I'll

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tell him, OK, this would I cost,
that's what I charge just for

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this area.
But if I have to travel like

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hours away I tell him my my
travel time or my travel fee and

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my diving fee and give him an
option say, OK, this is going to

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cost you probably about 600
bucks.

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Is your thing worth that much?
I know my time is but I've done

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a lot of free stuff to to kind
of advertise, get it out but now

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it's time to be more business
minded.

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So it's kind of tough giving
those estimates out, but if

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you're going to take my time
away and my skill my, you know,

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everything, my equipment,
everything, I got to get money

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back for it.
Yeah, for sure.

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Well, you talked about how much
the equipment costs like it's

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like running any business and
but it's just it's not the

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business that people come into
contact with every single day of

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their life that you understand.
But like so 2019 you started

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SCUBA, how long did it take like
to get that certification and

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become like comfortable doing
that?

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Since I was already underwater a
lot it was pretty easy just to

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have that gear on and it figured
out.

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But it was like I think 4/4
dives with an instructor and

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then you had to watch a DVD go
through a book.

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So I mean I think it was about a
month, month and 1/2 it took.

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OK.
So yeah, I mean that all goes

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into it, but I I assume that's
probably a a big hurdle that

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others have to go over that you
not, not a whole lot of people

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are diving underwater holding
their breath and looking for

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fishing lures, you know that's
already a pretty unique thing

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you had going on.
It's a it's like it's a obstacle

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you got to overcome when you got
to have the money for the class.

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And I was able to since I had a
full time job, I had money

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coming in but then I was selling
lures too so that actually

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helped too.
But then after you take the

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class you got to buy your own
gear and that's another big

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thing try to say do I want to
buy used gear?

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Do I want to buy new gear?
And the best thing for beginners

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to buy used gear because new
gear is really really expensive

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I.
Suppose, yeah.

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So that's another thing I
noticed talking about selling

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those fishing lures you put
together like boxes, right?

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That people buy is the holidays.
Are you expecting the holiday

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season?
Be pretty busy for that.

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Yeah.
And I they actually I used to

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sell, sell them separately most
of them.

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But I did like singularly
singular when you know, I put on

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my website just the different,
the variety of brands and you

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know, let them pick what color
they want and stuff.

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But now I just decided it's more
efficient to put them in trays.

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They don't label the trays and
stuff, put them on my website or

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sell them at shows with the
whole tray because people want

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to buy it for their family
member or for the friend for

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themself.
They want to have like a mystery

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tray or they want to have a
certain type of lures in one

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tray and it's shipping wise.
It's better to buy them in bulk

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other than you buy one.
Lure shipping is 450 so that

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$2.00, three dollars you're
saving and that one lure you

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just paid over it and shipping.
So but yeah it's it's been

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working a lot lot better.
Last Christmas was crazy.

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I was.
I had my whole table just filled

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up with orders and I expect the
same this year and I'll probably

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run out of lures, maybe this
year before the spring walleye

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run.
So I really got to get back in

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the water.
Really.

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You You'll sell out of all of
them that you find.

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Well, last year was was pretty.
I was cutting the line close by

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the time I got just to the to
the river to sell during the

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walleye run.
Had a decent amount, but every

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year it's been getting less and
less, especially with my online

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sales, social media and stuff in
different events I do locally

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where I'm out selling at craft
shows.

444
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,520
So I hope to have some left, but
you know the usual have like a

445
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,960
couple thousand and I think
it'll be down to a couple 100 by

446
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,240
the time Walleye run comes
around.

447
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,440
Yeah, something the everyday
fisherman just doesn't think

448
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,880
about, right.
Like how much money's worth of

449
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,280
lures is just under you in the
water, That's that's why.

450
00:22:58,360 --> 00:23:01,280
So what, do you just do your
boxes by like species then?

451
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,280
Because I mean walleyes, huge
around where you dive, but I'm

452
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,160
sure you find some musky stuff
and, you know, bad stuff and

453
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,360
things like that.
Well, musky stuff.

454
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040
I keep on my walls.
Decorations.

455
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,080
I think I sold two of them so
far in the last couple years,

456
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,720
but I'm kind of a holder of
musky lures.

457
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,240
OK, but yeah, everything is
pretty much musky and maybe

458
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,640
sometimes trout in the rivers
where I go to, but I'll try to

459
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,040
just put a variety in some trays
are some trays.

460
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,600
I'll just do one of a certain
type, but a bunch of different

461
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,960
colors.
People like rip and wraps from

462
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:34,680
Rapala.
A lot of people use those in

463
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,120
strong currents because they're
they're lipless, they're

464
00:23:37,120 --> 00:23:39,480
heavier, they can get down to
the bottom where the fish are

465
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,200
more.
And I find a lot of those blade

466
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,160
baits spoons, so those are the
main ones.

467
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:53,000
But also like shallow diving,
shallow dive HJ Husky jerks and

468
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,560
then deep diving Husky jerks,
Those are some other ones that

469
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,400
are out there.
Have you had any of those

470
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,360
companies like reach out to you
and like you, you would think

471
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:03,960
that's a prime opportunity,
right?

472
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,320
So it's for like pairing up.
Have any of them reached out to

473
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,160
you or anything?
So good question.

474
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,280
I actually contacted Rapala a
couple years ago.

475
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,720
I sent him an e-mail and said
hey, my name is Ed the diver.

476
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,040
I make videos cleaning up the
rivers and the majority of the

477
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,840
stuff I'm cleaning up are your
lures.

478
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:25,800
And I'm, I'm, I'm saving fish,
mud puppies and crayfish from

479
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,880
the lures and the line.
But they never I I said, do you

480
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:34,800
want to work together to kind of
to advertise or help help out in

481
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,440
some way.
And they never got a hold of me.

482
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,520
But I had Northland Jigs from
Minnesota.

483
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600
They contacted me and they love
what I'm doing.

484
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:47,120
And then I visited them.
It was at this last year in in

485
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,960
Bemidji where they're located.
But we don't have anything any

486
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,000
kind of working agreement going
on whatever.

487
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,200
But they they follow my
channels, they watched my videos

488
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:59,120
and I I did a little video with
them when I was over there, but

489
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:00,640
I don't have anything going on
right now.

490
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,400
Yeah.
So it's probably like this weird

491
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,840
double edged sword for them,
right, Because the whole world,

492
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
business world is about PR and
they start thinking about the

493
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,600
negative PR that could come from
that.

494
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,480
But like smart businesses get in
front of it, you know, and

495
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,880
address the issue before it
topples the business.

496
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,600
You know, has it changed your
outlook on fishing at all?

497
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,480
You started it, you know,
thinking about the lures you

498
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,040
were losing personally.
Has it changed your outlook on

499
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,200
fishing?
Really hasn't changed my

500
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,560
outlook.
It has changed my habit so I

501
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,120
don't fish anymore, really.
I've got thousands and thousands

502
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,640
of lures, fishing rods and reels
that I find that I can't return

503
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,040
to.
The owners got a bunch of those,

504
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,680
but if I have time to fish, I
have time to clean up the

505
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,920
waterways.
That's kind of my mindset now,

506
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,560
you know.
And when you're down there

507
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,360
looking at the fish, you know,
bass follow you around, you feed

508
00:25:53,360 --> 00:25:57,960
them crayfish by hand, you kind
of grow a relationship with

509
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,040
them.
You kind of have like you feel

510
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,080
bad for just going to fish and
ripping up their ripping their

511
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,320
lips up or ripping their throats
up with a hook.

512
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,160
It's like I really don't have an
ambition to do that anymore.

513
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,200
When you're underwater, they're
peaceful, they're just chilling

514
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,000
out and it's.
I just don't want to go out for

515
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,120
fun and just, you know, catch
them and throw them back, catch

516
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:18,200
them and throw them back
anymore.

517
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,960
Yeah, I assumed it had to
spending that much time down

518
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,640
there with them.
You you proximity is a big thing

519
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,880
with our our kind of outlook on
anything.

520
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:34,160
I think like the closer for
instance the closer people are

521
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,280
to the food that they eat and
the the animals you end up

522
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,000
ingesting, our outlook changes
on a little bit.

523
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,840
So I I assumed it had to be the
same thing with fishing.

524
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,240
That's so feeding bass crayfish
by hand.

525
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,280
Yeah, they'll just eat it right
out of your hand.

526
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,520
So they whenever I'm underwater
or other divers, just you're

527
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,640
looking for lures, you're moving
rocks and then also you have a

528
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,280
audience of bass, big bass,
little bass.

529
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,800
Because when you move a rock,
there's crayfish, there's

530
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,960
minnows, stuff that hides
underneath there.

531
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,880
So as soon as you move it, they
go flying over, grab it, and

532
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,720
then they'll just follow you
around for like an hour.

533
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,040
And everywhere you go, you're
grabbing lures in line, they're

534
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,480
swimming underneath you, they're
swimming across your face.

535
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,040
They're they just looking for
free food.

536
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,920
And there's been a couple
instances where you you see a

537
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,840
certain fish and you notice a
scar in their lip or something

538
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,440
that's different.
I've seen the same fish a few

539
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,640
times that they come find you,
so it's pretty cool.

540
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,000
Right.
They start getting to know you a

541
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:39,000
little bit.
So how?

542
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,680
Like how?
Well of course that makes sense.

543
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,760
You know like they they don't
see you as a predator.

544
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,640
They don't often see a you know
a human sized thing swimming

545
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,920
around in the in the lake.
So they they know you're not a

546
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,160
predator.
How I guess how are there more

547
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,200
or less than you would expect
down there when you start

548
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,960
diving?
Like are there more fish like

549
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:04,400
like it has to be crazy during
the walleye run but like in

550
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,920
normal times too?
Is there Are there more like

551
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:09,200
fish around than you would
expect or?

552
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,960
So during the spring and the
fall, there's more because

553
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,720
they're they're coming up to do
the spawn or you know, do

554
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,760
whatever.
And so the springtime, you're

555
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,480
running into a lot of walleye,
sucker, sturgeon and sometimes

556
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,760
sturgeon.
They're like 5-6 feet long and

557
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,960
depending on the visibility,
when I'm down there looking for

558
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,480
lures, also need to see this big
old logs from across your face

559
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,200
and then this big old tail
following it.

560
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,440
It's it's pretty crazy, makes
your heart skip a beat.

561
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,040
But sometimes you can swim right
up on those on on sturgeon, you

562
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,880
can pet it, you can grab try to
hold on to the tail but they're

563
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
so strong they just whip your
hand right off it.

564
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,240
But now walleye, they they're
kind of finicky they if they see

565
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,160
you first, they're gone.
But you see trout, salmon, all

566
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,400
kinds of different fish.
And that's something I'm

567
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,320
learning about is different
types of fish.

568
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,240
And it's kind of kind of cool
seeing the different types

569
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,800
underwater, the size of them and
their habits of a kind of

570
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,440
interacting with humans
underwater.

571
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,040
Some are brave, some are scared
so.

572
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:19,000
Pretty cool.
So how like how what is the

573
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,080
visibility like around here?
Like it seems like that would be

574
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,160
maybe a struggle that in other
areas maybe like we don't have

575
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,800
like the Crystal Clearwater that
you see sometimes, is that a

576
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,160
struggle?
It is definitely in the Fox

577
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,040
River in the springtime, when
it's cold, you've got a

578
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:40,720
visibility of, you know, three,
maybe 5 feet sometimes.

579
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,280
But then as the water gets
warmer, you got all the algae

580
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040
blooming in the in the water or
you got more stuff coming off

581
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,840
the roads and out of the ditches
and getting in the river and

582
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,960
kind of mixing it all up gets
worse during the summer.

583
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,800
I've done recoveries and 0
visibility green water and it's

584
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,320
possible to still find stuff,
but you're not going to see

585
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,720
anything, so.
Sure, and that's all by.

586
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,200
Field by field or with a a metal
detector?

587
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,240
Underwater metal detector.
OK.

588
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,720
So and I won't go out anywhere
over my head where I'm not

589
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,160
familiar with and dive blind but
you know if it's off the edge of

590
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,720
a pier or a a dock or something
and you know I'm used to the

591
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,200
area, I'll go down there and do
that.

592
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,680
I'll I'll search.
But then you're running into

593
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,960
fishing line and you get fishing
line in your in your mask and

594
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,200
your camera.
Then you got to get it out

595
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200
before it rips your mask off.
You'll get it in your hoses.

596
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,680
So you just got to kind of go
clean up the area before you

597
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,560
start searching.
And you'll come up with handfuls

598
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,520
of line hooks will start popping
out of everywhere, and then you

599
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,840
clean them up.
Then you start searching, and

600
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,160
it's been pretty successful in
finding stuff.

601
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,440
That sounds like not doing that,
not being able to see sounds

602
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,280
like the most terrifying and
frustrating thing I've ever,

603
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,840
I've ever heard.
What?

604
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,880
That's a It's got to be right?
So if you're claustrophobic,

605
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,760
it's not going to work out good.
But it's another thing is to not

606
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,040
really to be too scared about
bumping into a fish.

607
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,880
Because, I mean, I've done that
and there's still big sturgeon

608
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,760
swimming in there.
So you'll be searching all of a

609
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,240
sudden you'll you'll feel
something and you'll know it's

610
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,720
just a monster sturgeon.
But they don't freak out, you

611
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,320
just bump them then you move
back over.

612
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,360
One of my fears is bumping a big
snapping turtle or like maybe

613
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,000
just bumping its mouth and it
reacts and reaches over and

614
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,840
grabs my arm or something.
So you never know.

615
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,640
That's one thing I was going to
ask you about today.

616
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,520
I've thought about that since I
started watching your content

617
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,640
snapping turtles.
They got to be there, like I'm

618
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,480
sure you've seen them right.
Yep, I've seen them this year.

619
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,240
Saw like three of them, but
they're all pretty cool

620
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Experience.
One of them, I actually reached

621
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,240
my hand.
I was reaching for a bottle.

622
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,200
I was focused on bottles and
tunnel vision.

623
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,120
Visibility is awesome.
But there's this turtle just

624
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,160
sitting on a rock and I put my
hand right in front of his face

625
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,760
and he just blinked.
Didn't snap on my hand, nothing.

626
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,280
And as soon as I grabbed the
bottle, I I realized it.

627
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,840
Or I was about to.
I pulled my hand back and I was

628
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
just like, whoa, it's pretty
scary, but it's pretty cool.

629
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,920
I guess in my mind I was
thinking, anything goes in front

630
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,120
of their mouth, they're going to
grab it.

631
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:15,720
Yeah.
But it didn't do it.

632
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,120
Because even like even
underwater they can, I think

633
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,840
they can move their heads
really, really fast.

634
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,520
They're fast, yeah.
And you can't even react to how

635
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,280
fast they are.
It's crazy.

636
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,640
Yeah, that's one thing I've been
thinking about since I started

637
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,640
watching your content.
Because, like, you know, people,

638
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,600
especially ones that aren't like
fishermen or something, would

639
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,640
probably think about like
muskies and like, Oh yeah, big

640
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,360
old fish, big old teeth.
But I don't think that would

641
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,480
really, They're probably not
that scary, right?

642
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,320
Like.
I've never even seen a muskie

643
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,920
underwater yet.
I've seen northern, northern

644
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,240
Pike, but they as soon as they
see you, they're gone.

645
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,440
You can't.
I've never got within like four

646
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,160
or five feet from a northern
Pike.

647
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,480
OK, so they're kind of finicky
too, like a walleye.

648
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,160
And the muskie, I've seen seen
people pull some huge muskie out

649
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920
of there, like, you know, over 4
feet long.

650
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,160
And I mean, when they open their
mouth, it's huge.

651
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,840
I mean, they could bite your
hand.

652
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,680
But I've never had that issue,
never seen one.

653
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,040
Nothing ever attacked me.
Yeah and I, you know, they're

654
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,000
just out there to eat, you know,
And maybe it's the same way with

655
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,360
the turtle, but for some reason
the turtle to me, I was thinking

656
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,640
about snappy turtles watching
your stuff and just specifically

657
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,840
that scenario you just laid out
reach into grab cuz they're very

658
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480
good camouflage too.
Like you can't see them, really.

659
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Definitely.
So then next thing you know,

660
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,520
like Wham.
So I assumed you had to be

661
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,320
thinking about that.
Yeah, I do.

662
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,240
Expression and low visibility
are, you know, under a bridge.

663
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,040
I do a lot of bridge cleanups
too.

664
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,960
So a lot of times I'll stay in
the light where the lights

665
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,680
coming down.
But then you got the edge, the

666
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,200
shadow from the bridge, and
they'll actually hide there to

667
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,040
hunt for another wait for fish
to come by and they'll just, you

668
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,160
know, minnows or crayfish and
they'll grab them.

669
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,320
So it's like when I'm working
around there, I'm trying to be

670
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720
really careful to kind of stay a
little bit away from the shadow.

671
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360
But then I do go under bridges
too.

672
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,320
So you go under bridges, you
close your eyes, you let it

673
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,400
adjust, or if you have your
flashlight with you, you just

674
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,520
use your light.
But there's been this year, I

675
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,400
went to reach for something in
the in the dark, off the edge of

676
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360
the shadow of the bridge.
And I seen it was white, kind

677
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,159
of.
And it ended up being a snapping

678
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,320
turtle's leg, like the the white
color underneath it.

679
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,320
And I just, it just creeped me
out.

680
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,159
It's just I I think I scared it
as much as I was scared, 'cause

681
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:29,520
it, it took off.
I took off, yeah.

682
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,400
Yeah, man.
No talking about that.

683
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,880
You're talking about price
earlier.

684
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,960
Oh, my goodness, that price just
keeps on creeping up.

685
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,440
What?
Do you?

686
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,760
Think about that.
There's not a not a whole lot of

687
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,159
people.
I think that would feel a whole

688
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:48,440
lot of comfort in that scenario.
But yeah, the visibility thing,

689
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,440
man, the the visibility thing
really like that terrifies me to

690
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,400
think about just being so you
said around your head height,

691
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,520
that's where you'll go with no
visibility.

692
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,280
Yeah.
If I have no no visibility, I'll

693
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,760
just stay shallow or you just so
I can stand up if I have an

694
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,040
issue or something.
Or you know if I have a bunch of

695
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,600
line and I need to stand up and
and pull it all up and get it

696
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,040
off my gear just so I can be in
control.

697
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,360
So I'm not like trying to tread
water and then the lines get

698
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,520
stuck on my feet and my feet are
stuck together.

699
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,120
So I it just try to stay out of
dangerous situations like that.

700
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Yeah, that's probably one of the
bigger dangers, right?

701
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Like somehow being confined or
stuck to an area that you can't

702
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,160
get off of.
Yep, and with there's different

703
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,560
kinds of fishing line.
You got mono and braided and I

704
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,840
think there's other ones too.
But monoline it's easy easier to

705
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,480
snap with braided line you that
start get that wrapped around

706
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080
your fins or that your your
attachments on the side your

707
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,400
fins and it starts wrapping your
feet up.

708
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,560
The more you struggle then then
you can't really control your

709
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,080
feet too much.
But if you do have any issues

710
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,200
you can just put more air in
your BC float up the top or you

711
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,560
know I always have a knife on me
have a player's a scissors got

712
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
stuff you know to help cut it
all off and stuff.

713
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,520
So never been really confined to
the bottom or confined where I I

714
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,600
was freaking out or anything.
You just stay calm and take care

715
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,840
of the the problem.
Then you keep keep working.

716
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,280
Yeah, what are some of the more
precarious situations you found

717
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,800
yourself in since starting to do
this?

718
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,800
I just explained this the other
night.

719
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,960
I was in the Fox River and it
was still springtime and there

720
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,320
was a bunch of current coming
through and then there was kind

721
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,120
of a a calmer area and I was
staying in the calmer area.

722
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,360
Water was really cold, my hands
were freezing already.

723
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,240
My feet were freezing, but I was
trying to stay on the edge of

724
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,000
the current and my board.
It must have been moving around

725
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,600
on the edge of the current back
and forth.

726
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,560
So then my my line coming down
that I was holding on to get

727
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,760
wrapped around both my legs and
so then I was the current

728
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,760
started to pull me.
I couldn't really move my feet

729
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,680
because it was all wrapped up
for my my line coming down and I

730
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,360
had ended up just.
It kind of caught me off guard

731
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640
because I'm like, man, this
isn't isn't good, this isn't

732
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,920
normal, I'm not used to this.
So it pulled me down a little

733
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,360
bit.
There's nothing to hit or

734
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,960
anything, just rocks here and
there.

735
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,240
So I just ended up sinking down,
grabbing some rocks and then

736
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:16,440
just calmly unwrapping my feet.
But then when I came back up, I

737
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,680
realized that the current had
pushed me down a little further

738
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,920
away.
So I just got out of the current

739
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,480
and then went back to do what I
was doing.

740
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,520
But it was one of those
situations where it's like, OK,

741
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,280
what if something happened?
And what if the current pushed

742
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,120
you uncontrollably?
You couldn't move your feet and

743
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,240
yeah, run into a rusty rebar,
you run into something sharp and

744
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,320
metal, you're impaled.
So that's kind of the situations

745
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,760
you think about and you don't
want to get caught up in it.

746
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,000
Yeah, how does the current
affect it being in the river?

747
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,160
Like can you still in most
places be where you want to be?

748
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,440
Or are there places you can't
even get to because the current

749
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,520
is too strong?
So the springtime that there's

750
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,160
more dam dam gates open, so
there's more water flow.

751
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,200
But later in the year when the
gates are closed, you can get up

752
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:05,160
really close to dams.
And usually the dams that I go

753
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040
to, they'll, they'll sound the
alarm or something 3 minutes

754
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,200
before they're going to open a
gate.

755
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,640
So if I hear that or if I know
it's going to be opening, I'll

756
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,600
stay away from that.
But I stay in Menominee River,

757
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,920
I'll stay off the side more
where they know it's not going

758
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,160
to get, you know, be a dangerous
situation.

759
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,320
And I don't want to be a bad
example either and I want to go

760
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:25,560
home every day.
So there's.

761
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,320
Yeah.
There's some situations I won't

762
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,800
put myself in, but you kind of
get to know the cycle throughout

763
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,160
the year when the current's
going to be stronger, when the

764
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,200
visibility is going to be worse
and you know different factors

765
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,240
like that.
So that's you can get up right

766
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,280
close to dams sometimes.
Yep, Yep.

767
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,320
So I'll blow it.
And like I'll I'll never dive

768
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:46,640
above.
There.

769
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,080
Not above, yeah, but below the
dam.

770
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,520
You can get there with your
scooping gear.

771
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:54,560
Yep.
So in Menominee, the Menominee

772
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,160
River they have most of the
year, they have the like 9 or 11

773
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,880
dam gates and they'll just keep
like the one on the further end

774
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,000
open throughout the year.
Sometimes it's closed completely

775
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,400
but and there you got all this
extra space where the the water

776
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,840
will go out but it'll like
fishbowl, like it'll kind of

777
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,280
come back like this, but it's
not very strong.

778
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,840
So you can go down there and
search for lures in line and not

779
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,320
worry about getting sucked in
over there.

780
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Yeah, because that's got to be a
huge collection area.

781
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:23,720
Right.
Right under where the

782
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:25,520
waterfalls.
Down and that's where

783
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,040
everybody's fishing because
that's the furthest place the

784
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,280
fish the fish can go to.
Yeah, and they all get piled up,

785
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,240
right?
There, yeah.

786
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:35,640
One of my one of my favorite
fishing spots back when I used

787
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,160
to live in a different place.
I would catch crayfish and then

788
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,880
fish against the dam where the
water came off and I would slay

789
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,920
them.
A lot of fish there too.

790
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,120
They love crayfish and I used to
do that too.

791
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:50,600
You know, you go catch a couple
crayfish, you hook them on.

792
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,240
I don't think you can even do
that, but.

793
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:53,280
Yeah, I know.
I don't think.

794
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:54,520
So I was a kid.
I didn't know.

795
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,120
Yeah, I know.
I don't know what state it was

796
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,000
in.
You could probably do it

797
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,720
somewhere, yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I didn't.

798
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,880
So that's interesting that you
can get that close to the dam.

799
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,560
I assumed that that was kind of
like a a dangerous area, but

800
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:10,800
that's to the layperson, I
guess.

801
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,680
I have no idea.
Yeah.

802
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,640
I haven't been in trouble yet
and I don't want if I'd somebody

803
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,840
does come out and say like an
authority figure says, hey we

804
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,040
don't want you dive in here you
know off the just do what they

805
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,960
say and you know move on.
But that's definitely one of the

806
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,560
place that needs to be cleaned
up the most.

807
00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:30,160
Yeah, is up there and I find so
much lead from the years of

808
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,560
people throwing those big snag
hooks out with the lead on them.

809
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,800
The Hooks have have rusted off,
but you just get hundreds and

810
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,880
hundreds of pounds of lead
sitting up there.

811
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,920
Yeah.
So get rid of that.

812
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Absolutely.
And then what do you just sort

813
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,360
of like recycle that probably
right?

814
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,160
I've got a a bunch in my
basement and I have projects

815
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,240
that I want to do.
I've got forms to tell you me.

816
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,360
I got things to pots, to melt
it, to do stuff, but I just

817
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,280
don't have the time.
Yeah, I started painting lures.

818
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,680
I'd make time for that in the
winter time to do custom

819
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,360
painting, but now that it now I
outsource that to save me time.

820
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Yeah.
So yeah, there's a lot of stuff

821
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,120
going on.
Yeah, well that's probably been

822
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,480
maybe to get off the diving
topic a little bit, but that's

823
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,600
probably been one of the more
interesting thing in that to

824
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,960
navigate in your first year
transitioning to doing this just

825
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,600
full time is like where to put
your energy and and what to do

826
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,640
because you don't have
identified like the cash cows

827
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:26,800
yet.
Probably there isn't you're

828
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,240
making bits of money from
different places.

829
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,640
How you how you working through
that?

830
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,640
So that is that is a good point.
I've I've been trying affiliate

831
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,120
marketing for the last year and
a half and I just decided like,

832
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,840
hey, I look at the statistics,
how many clicks I'm getting, how

833
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,480
much people are buying off my
links that I have.

834
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,480
I'm like it's not really paying
off of me taking the effort to,

835
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:50,720
you know, keep keep the links
updated and do all this stuff.

836
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:54,200
So I'm just going to keep it,
but I'm going to not touch it.

837
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,520
I'll just like you don't have
the links, I'm not going to keep

838
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,840
them up to date.
I need to focus on stuff that's

839
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,320
actually making money right now.
And that right now, for me,

840
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,920
that's social media and phishing
lures.

841
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,040
And as I grow my channel, social
media, of course, will make more

842
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,520
money than, you know, local
sales, because you're making

843
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,720
money when you're sleeping.
People across the world are

844
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:17,080
watching your videos, you know,
for the rest rest of your life,

845
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,080
they're they're on the Internet.
They're going to be there until

846
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,840
the Internet shuts down.
I don't know if that'll happen

847
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,800
or it could happen.
Yeah.

848
00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:29,200
And you probably you're at that
spot I'm sure like you have

849
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,960
worldwide watchers that probably
contact you probably made some

850
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,720
cool relationships out of it I'm
guessing, right?

851
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,360
Yep.
So I like people from all over

852
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
the world do watch.
And there are people that are

853
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,800
continue to comment and stuff
and but you get a lot of people

854
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,000
that always are begging.
They'll send you messages.

855
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,000
They'll send you comments, send
me money, send me some lures,

856
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,240
give me a gift card.
And you know you're rich, man.

857
00:42:53,240 --> 00:42:55,320
Help me out.
I need this for that.

858
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:59,200
And so you get a lot of those in
in the US too, but.

859
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,280
At the diver Rich.
Yeah, maybe.

860
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,440
Maybe sometime.
And yeah, it's like when your

861
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,000
when your face is out there that
much, people think you're rich,

862
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,040
they think you're millionaire.
And it's like, no, I'm not, not

863
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,920
yet.
Someday.

864
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah, you you applaud the, you
know, the 11 year old and you're

865
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,400
up for sending the message.
Yeah.

866
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,040
Yeah.
So, yeah.

867
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,360
So really it's just you're
trying and testing and seeing

868
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:25,720
what works.
Yep, it's kind of.

869
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,040
Exactly.
Now, this year was something

870
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,280
different.
We went to a Cory and Green Bay

871
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,040
here, Pampering park, they've
got a Frisbee golf discourse and

872
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,280
they've got this quarry in the
middle of the course where

873
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,920
people lose their Frisbee golf
discs in this quarry.

874
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,400
And I've been asked to go dive
it many times over the years.

875
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,840
I contacted the the park system,
said, hey, can I come dive it?

876
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,040
And they said, oh, you need
$1,000,000 in business insurance

877
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,840
policy and you need this and
that and sign this waiver and

878
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,880
like, well, I'll try to get this
policy.

879
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,880
So I try to get the policy,
couldn't get it through my

880
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,320
insurance.
So I just decided, OK, I won't

881
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,640
dive there.
But then they contacted me like

882
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,160
a year or two later and said,
hey, we've been watching her

883
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,760
videos, you know could you come
dive here?

884
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,240
And I'm like, what about that
policy?

885
00:44:11,240 --> 00:44:13,200
They're like, oh, we can work
around that.

886
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,000
Yeah, so is the the park
director got a hold of me and he

887
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,960
asked me to come clean up trash
and he want to know if there's a

888
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,640
car down there and just collect
all the the trash and the

889
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,720
frisbee golf disc.
So we did that, didn't find the

890
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,320
car.
We got 280 discs out of there,

891
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,360
me and my buddy, and we were
able to find a phone.

892
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,840
We saw like 4 bikes down there,
a safe refrigerator.

893
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,200
I can't even talk a
refrigerator.

894
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,240
And it was just really cool
seeing what was in there after

895
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,000
all the years of, you know, kind
of being in the area and

896
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,120
wondering what was down there,
how deep it was.

897
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,080
And we were able to figure all
that out.

898
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,280
And someday we'll be back there
to get the bikes out the safe

899
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,000
and the mic the refrigerator.
So you are.

900
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,840
So I watched this one.
I I know which one you're

901
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,720
talking about.
So you are making plans for the

902
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:04,880
fridge.
You're going to try to get that

903
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,520
out of there.
I would like to, but I think it

904
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,400
would require a crane or some
many lift bags.

905
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,440
Yeah, so.
So lift bag, That's a what?

906
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,160
Like something that what I'm
picturing is something that

907
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,480
puffs up into a bunch of air,
brings it to the top.

908
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,400
Yep.
So you you attach it to whatever

909
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,480
you're going to lift up, you
take your regulator, fill it

910
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,120
full of air and then it expands
and then I'll lift it up.

911
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,000
But I think my biggest one I
have is 125 lbs that it'll it'll

912
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,640
lift up.
So I would need something that

913
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,640
would lift 6-7 hundred pounds
up.

914
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,560
So I think, but it's an old
fridge, so you know, I'm sure

915
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,160
it's pretty heavy.
Oh, I'm sure.

916
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,240
And full of mud and full of
junk.

917
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,720
And who knows what's inside of
it?

918
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Yeah.
So it might be a crime.

919
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,880
Maybe there's someone, someone
inside, something inside.

920
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,000
But.
Man, So what?

921
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,840
What'd you do with all the the
the disks?

922
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:02,800
I put them all on my website.
Oh, OK, OK.

923
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,240
For this, for first day that I
had them, we washed them.

924
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:11,680
Second day I contacted 100.
I texted 100 different numbers

925
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,480
that were.
There's names and numbers on a

926
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,840
lot of them.
Because I know, yeah, I know a

927
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,080
lot of people do that.
Yeah.

928
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:20,680
I spent like 10 to 12 hours the
next day doing that and I

929
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,720
actually was sick when I was
doing that.

930
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:27,000
I from diving, I dove at the
quarry and then after that I did

931
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,840
a phone recovery in that green
water and I ended up like I was

932
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,440
throwing up.
I was the bathroom like multiple

933
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,760
times and then also trying to
contact these people is a really

934
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,760
rough day.
But I was able to get about 25

935
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,160
back to the owners and we had
about 1520 that people said, oh

936
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,360
hey, we watch your videos, we
like that you're cleaning out

937
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,080
the environment.
You can just go ahead and keep

938
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,680
keep the disk, my disk, keep it,
sell it, give it away, whatever

939
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,120
you want.
So then after I gave everybody

940
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,480
two weeks to respond my text or
Facebook message, however, I got

941
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,800
a hold of them and then I ended
up putting them on my website

942
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,120
and started selling them like
that.

943
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,880
Gotcha.
OK, So is that something that

944
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,840
happens like, you know, there's,
I mean, there's times everywhere

945
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,240
where you can't swim and things
like that.

946
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:13,920
The water's not always healthy
to be in, but if you get a

947
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,840
recovery, sometimes you do it.
Is that is that what you got

948
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,280
sick from?
And is that something you have

949
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,240
to keep in your?
Mind it was getting sick.

950
00:47:21,240 --> 00:47:25,600
It happens a lot, even just when
I'm just doing cleanups, if I

951
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,520
swallow a little bit of river
water in the springtime, you

952
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,440
got, you got walleye particles
coming from, you know, eggs or

953
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,200
walleye semen coming through the
water.

954
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,800
And you're like, you come up for
air, you come up to do work.

955
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,880
Also, you get a little water in
your mouth and you start

956
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,160
gagging.
Just swallowing that little bit

957
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,040
of water will make you sick for
three days and it's I'm used to

958
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,040
it, so it's part of the job.
I like to tell people that I got

959
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,840
worms in my stomach.
That's why I can eat all the ice

960
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,400
cream I eat and whatever else.
After a long day of diving,

961
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:57,800
that's the indulgence.
Ice cream, yeah.

962
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,080
Well, once in a while as I get
older, I'm like, is this really

963
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,280
good for me?
Like, am I going to sleep

964
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,840
tonight?
Am I going to have a heart

965
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,080
attack?
Am I sleep if I eat all the

966
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,760
sugar?
So that's that's the kind of

967
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,200
stuff that crossed my mind.
But the ice cream videos have

968
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,880
kind of helped my grow my
audience and make people laugh

969
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,360
more so.
And So what like thinking about

970
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,360
that weight thing, what's what,
how heavy a thing can you bring

971
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,240
up?
Just like because that's it's

972
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,680
not like lifting something out
here like how heavy you think

973
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,280
can you bring up from the water.
So I brought if I have something

974
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,960
heavy.
I've done 2 anchors before, like

975
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,160
two 2530 LB anchors, so I'll
have them in front of me.

976
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:39,600
I'll pump a bunch of air in my
BC, which will inflate it, put

977
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,760
more air in it to make me float.
And then I'll grab the two

978
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,640
anchors and I'll kick my feet,
get them up here and come up the

979
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,880
kayak and toss them in.
So like 5060 lbs.

980
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,800
That that works.
But I've had boat motors where I

981
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:55,440
couldn't do that.
I've had to drag the boat motor

982
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,680
underwater for like 6080 feet
back to shore over rocks, You

983
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,400
know, it goes up, down, up,
down, and that's tough.

984
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,080
You're breathing hard, you're
sweating.

985
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:07,360
But it's nice to get it out
because it's not a snag anymore.

986
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,280
Sure.
And a boat motor, is that like a

987
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,280
like a personal recovery or do
you just find?

988
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,080
Boat motors.
I've done one person recovery

989
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,000
for a boat motor, which is it
was a lighter kicker.

990
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,960
But then I found another one and
the there's gas tanks on some of

991
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,320
the older ones too.
So there's fuel still in them

992
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,280
and you want to get them out of
there so you don't have fuel

993
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,960
floating down the river, but you
just randomly find stuff so you

994
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,680
never know.
You could be, you know, looking

995
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,600
for lures or trying to do
recovery else and you see

996
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,880
something weird over there,
something weird over here and it

997
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,360
just get it out of there.
That's funny.

998
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,120
So where did some of those trips
take you?

999
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,280
Like you said, you're starting
to expand your range a little

1000
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,400
bit.
Where are you starting to dive?

1001
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:52,040
So I made it down to Illinois
last year and this year, but

1002
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,160
this last time I was in
Illinois, I wasn't able to dive

1003
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,680
because the water quality is
horrible.

1004
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,600
So I just ended up doing
cleanups, shore cleanups, bank

1005
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,120
cleanups.
And you know that needs to be

1006
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,360
done too, because birds,
wildlife around the shores get

1007
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,720
all tangled up in fishing line
the trash.

1008
00:50:07,720 --> 00:50:10,560
Any trash on shore is going to
blow in the water, most likely.

1009
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,880
So I did that in Illinois, went
up to Bemidji, MN this year

1010
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:20,400
again and I went over to the
Mississippi River in Alma, WI.

1011
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,680
Visibility is horrible, but we
we try to die, but it's it's

1012
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,800
still fun.
Fun trip.

1013
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,240
I go up to the UP once in a
while.

1014
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,400
One of my goals is to get all
the way up to Lake Superior and

1015
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,920
do some dives for those yooper
lights, those glowing rocks,

1016
00:50:35,720 --> 00:50:37,480
when you shine a blue UV light
on them.

1017
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,080
They have all these cool that
looks like lava inside of them,

1018
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,880
but they're apparently worth
some money and a lot of people

1019
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,280
collect them.
But it's it'd be pretty cool to

1020
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,640
do.
But I mean, yeah, just across

1021
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,840
the whole Midwest and we've been
traveling kind of expanding more

1022
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:55,120
but also trying to hit the
hundreds of spots I already have

1023
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,880
marked on my map that people
love.

1024
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,320
Asked me to go dive, either by
dams, by old bridges, by places

1025
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,400
where they used to be a a dump,
You know, find old bottles, find

1026
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,240
trash, get out of there.
Yeah.

1027
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,720
So that.
OK.

1028
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:13,360
Two things I want to talk about
1 Superior that like that's a

1029
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,080
lot clearer, right?
At least when I've like.

1030
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,080
When I've been in superior like
it's a lot clearer water.

1031
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,000
That seems like something that
would be a little bit like.

1032
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,320
Destination.
Spot.

1033
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,160
Yeah, it would be more enjoyable
dive.

1034
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:31,400
I'm not used to enjoyable dives.
I mean, I still enjoy them, but

1035
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,160
you know, they're low visibility
is what I'm used to.

1036
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,400
That's you're going to find a
lot of stuff that other divers

1037
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,120
that like recreational diving,
they're not going to come in and

1038
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,360
you know, clean up, clean up the
kind of stuff I do, but some do.

1039
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,160
So it's like up in superior.
I've been up there once.

1040
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Is it last August?
Not this August.

1041
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,280
Last August we went up and it
was so cool being being being

1042
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,080
able to see like 30-40 feet,
that's pretty neat.

1043
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,080
But there's other places along
the Pictured Rocks up there

1044
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,400
where people go up there, they
swim, they lose stuff.

1045
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,320
I want to go try that out and
also try to find those those

1046
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,280
Yooper Rocks or Yooper Light
rocks I'm.

1047
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,200
Going to have to check that out.
I'd, I'd never heard of those.

1048
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:17,440
So yeah.
And then like that's what I

1049
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,880
before coming across your
content, that's what I picture

1050
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,720
as scuba diving.
It was like, you know, the

1051
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,440
swimming along a coral reef
where you can see to, you know,

1052
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,200
5060 feet, how deep can you go
And like is that an aspiration

1053
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,720
of yours to do that kind?
So my for my training right now

1054
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:41,680
it's I have basic open water
training so I can go up to 65

1055
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,640
feet deep.
My instructor is trying to get

1056
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,160
me to get more training done so
I can go down, you know to

1057
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,520
hundred or past that.
I have done that in Jamaica on a

1058
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,000
shipwreck.
But it's it's not hard to do,

1059
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,560
but it's it's not something that
I really need to do with my

1060
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,760
business.
You know my basic open water

1061
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,360
cert helps me to do everything
that I'm doing already and it's

1062
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,720
like do I want to spend more
money on training right now?

1063
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:09,040
Because I don't need to, but I
kind of want to.

1064
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,920
I want to get the the, the
deeper water one done.

1065
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,320
Then I want to do ice diving,
rescue diving, but in time.

1066
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,000
But I've talked to a lot of
different people who dive

1067
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,960
already for like a law
enforcement rescue diving.

1068
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,040
And I get way, much, way more
practice than them because I'm

1069
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,520
in there every day pretty much.
And then whenever they get a

1070
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,560
call there, they get one day of
training a year.

1071
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,560
So they go to look for something
in the dark or low visibility

1072
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:35,880
and they're just kind of freaked
out.

1073
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,120
They're not used to it.
So I talked to a lot of

1074
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,440
different people that dive and
they asked me a lot of questions

1075
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,560
and they kind of share with me.
Oh yeah, I really enjoy doing

1076
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,240
this.
I don't like doing that because

1077
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,960
of this, but I just try to help
them talk, talk them through a

1078
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,080
little bit.
Yeah.

1079
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,040
I need to drink.
Water.

1080
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:56,440
Yeah, that's fine.
Yeah.

1081
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:02,160
So the, like the shipwreck
thing, I know that's something

1082
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,520
that gets talked about, right?
Like there's shipwrecks in Lake

1083
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,840
MI all over there.
Shipwrecks in Lake Superior.

1084
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Can can you even do that around
here?

1085
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:14,160
Or does visibility stop you from
exploring those shipwrecks?

1086
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,960
No.
So in the Bay of Green Bay,

1087
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,480
there's a bunch of shipwrecks,
and that's what my instructor

1088
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,200
brings his his students out to
get certified or to to get more

1089
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,360
comfortable, he brings them out
there.

1090
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,320
There's also some some
shipwrecks kind of out from the

1091
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,800
mouths of rivers then that are
easier to see.

1092
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,920
There's also some smaller boats
in the rivers that you can see,

1093
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,760
but a lot of them in the rivers
are going to be lower visibility

1094
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,560
out in the Bay.
You're going to be able to see

1095
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,040
them a lot better.
So when you dive out in the Bay

1096
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,920
that change, that's a
significantly better visibility.

1097
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,440
Oh, yeah, OK, definitely.
I suppose it was moving.

1098
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,840
It's not like the same type of
moving water and everything.

1099
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,360
So what's visibility like out
there?

1100
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,520
So sometimes depending on the
the wind direction or the the

1101
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,480
temperature of the water, like
the first couple feet, like the

1102
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,360
the warmer layer will be a
little less, let less

1103
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,280
visibility.
But then once you hit that

1104
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:09,160
thermal climb towards colder
water you can see really, really

1105
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,800
good, really far.
So I mean, I'd say like 20 feet

1106
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,280
maybe on a good day.
But you it doesn't sound like

1107
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,680
you spend too much time out
there.

1108
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Most of your time is in the
rivers.

1109
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,440
Most of my time is in the
rivers, but I have done searches

1110
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,280
for shotguns.
You know, duck hunters.

1111
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,480
Lose them out in the Bay, and
then what else did they do out

1112
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:30,840
there?
Just a couple.

1113
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,400
They're just fun.
Fun dies with with buddies or

1114
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,440
something, but I don't go up
there too much.

1115
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,480
Most of my my work is in the
river system, smaller lakes and

1116
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:46,520
stuff like that.
OK, why it seems like you know?

1117
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,080
I love doing it.
You know, I it's not my my

1118
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,680
passion to go and do
recreational diving just to look

1119
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,520
at stuff.
I always tell people I'm a

1120
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,800
grabber.
If you're doing a recreational

1121
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,080
dive, you can't grab stuff off a
shipwrecks because it's

1122
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,720
historical and it's like, it'd
be cool to see it, but I want to

1123
00:56:03,720 --> 00:56:06,560
be be in the water making a
difference, You know, cleaning

1124
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,120
line up lures, getting trash out
of there, finding cool stuff

1125
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,960
that you can take.
Yeah man.

1126
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,640
And you know, doing what I do
and you know I have people ask

1127
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:21,760
all the time like about being
like YouTube influencer stuff

1128
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:26,960
like that.
So many of the the successful

1129
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:32,280
ones are like you, like you
didn't aspire to do that, became

1130
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,560
really passionate about
something that just happens to

1131
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,840
be very interesting to watch and
see.

1132
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,040
So that makes complete sense.
You know that you're not just

1133
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,640
you know the views are a
byproduct of what you do, and it

1134
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,320
just happens you'd like to enjoy
doing what you actually do.

1135
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:51,560
Yep.
And that is, yeah, it's true.

1136
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,920
It's like when you start
growing, you're looking at those

1137
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,280
numbers, you're looking at those
numbers and you put all the hard

1138
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:01,440
work into a video all the time
and you hope for a lot of views.

1139
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,080
But I think that what I'm
learning is like I'm, I'm

1140
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,400
looking for more of more
comments.

1141
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:09,360
Like I want people to say, oh, I
never knew this or thanks for

1142
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,440
sharing.
You know, now I want to go, I

1143
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,880
want to go clean up the banks or
I want to clean up any water.

1144
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,560
So my goal is to educate,
inspire and inspire right now

1145
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:22,320
and that's kind of more
important to me than getting

1146
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,240
views.
I just want to, you know, if I

1147
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,480
can be in a an impact and
somebody to to start cleaning up

1148
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,000
their area where they're at.
And a lot of people want to come

1149
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:32,480
meet up with me and do it with
me.

1150
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,960
But I'm like, well, how about
you just start in your area and

1151
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:36,960
work your way out because that's
what I'm trying to do.

1152
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120
Like with my logo, I have it has
my mask and has some ripples on

1153
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:41,680
it.
My goal is to, you know, just

1154
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,440
start here and then ripple out
and what's cool is that I'm able

1155
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,680
to do that.
Oh yeah, to think about the

1156
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,240
people that have even just like.
So the next time, after watching

1157
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,440
your content that walk down the
river and pick something up that

1158
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,000
they wouldn't have otherwise,
that's awesome.

1159
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,760
To think about and I get people
send me pictures they'll they'll

1160
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,480
send me a picture oh, I just
cleaned this bag of trash off

1161
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,920
the bank while I was fishing.
Like awesome job.

1162
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,240
Thank you.
So they kind of want to share

1163
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,520
that they're doing doing
something too and it's I really

1164
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,400
appreciate that they're doing
that and and then whenever I'm

1165
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,520
out there I get kids I do beach
cleanups too.

1166
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:20,880
So I'll just in the summertime,
I'll go to the beach.

1167
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,680
I'll start walking with a bag.
I'll start throwing trash in

1168
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,360
there.
Pretty soon.

1169
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:26,720
I have other people like
grabbing trash, throwing in

1170
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,680
there too.
And that's one of the ways I try

1171
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,880
to inspire people, too, just to
do, you know, local cleanups in

1172
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,720
the beach.
Yeah, absolutely.

1173
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:37,320
Yeah.
So I know recently you were

1174
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,800
telling me that you're kind of
branching out a little bit and

1175
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,240
now you're going to kind of move
into like some speaking

1176
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,880
endeavors and and things like
that.

1177
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:51,120
What type of, what type of
content are you going to do with

1178
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,120
that?
Like what?

1179
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,880
What did you do the other day or
what are your plans?

1180
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,160
Like you have I'm sure all of
these stories that we can't get

1181
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,720
to today, but how are how are
you going to turn that into

1182
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,200
that?
So I I've been speaking for a

1183
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,000
couple years now but this, this
last one I did was more of a a

1184
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,120
higher paid when I'm starting to
charge for speaking more.

1185
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:19,560
But it was it's I want to do it,
you know one to educate more

1186
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,560
people on a wider scale.
You know I can just make a

1187
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,800
video, put it out and 10,000
people could watch it and I

1188
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,360
could educate 10,000 or I could
go make it a private event when

1189
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,840
it was 20 to 100 or 300 people
and just do it there.

1190
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,400
I don't really, I don't really
want to record it myself because

1191
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:40,120
then I got edited after, but
other people record it and they

1192
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,160
make videos out of it too.
But I want to keep doing that.

1193
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,640
I've got some more stuff coming
up soon and I've got a a kind of

1194
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,040
a marketer guy that I'm going to
be working with soon going to we

1195
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,720
have a phone call today.
We got ATV show opportunity

1196
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,360
coming up soon trying to get a
whole season.

1197
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,320
So then it'll be less work on me
and more work on their

1198
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,680
production side, so.
There's a lot of stuff coming up

1199
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,480
that I really can't say too much
about, but I'm just kind of

1200
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,920
cross my fingers hoping it all
falls into place and I'm just

1201
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,320
going to keep doing what I what
I do until it does happen.

1202
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:16,480
Yeah.
So like some of the speaking

1203
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,160
arrangements, it's focused on
the importance of clean up.

1204
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,160
Clean up our business strategies
that was the one I just did

1205
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,520
recently was business strategies
for my own private business,

1206
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,760
social media.
So I was able to to go over a

1207
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,000
bunch of slides and my own
personal story with them and

1208
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,680
they up.
They all liked hearing it, had a

1209
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,800
lot of questions after, and
they're all a bunch of

1210
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,320
millionaire businesses wanting
to hear from someone small like

1211
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,800
me, so.
Well, I mean, Small's a relative

1212
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,960
term, right?
And I think there's so much

1213
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,760
value that that's the value of
the conversation we were talking

1214
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,120
about earlier.
But like for a year you've been

1215
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,800
kind of throwing darts and
seeing what sticks and seeing

1216
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,400
what works.
And every year that passes,

1217
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,120
you're going to have like that
knowledge is going to be

1218
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:06,920
exponential where you can then
share.

1219
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,320
I mean, obviously social media
changes by the day, but like the

1220
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:14,480
strategy around that doesn't
always, you know, like there's

1221
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:19,880
certain things like you always
have to keep in mind about like

1222
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,840
who's watching your stuff and
you know where they are and how

1223
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,240
you can reach them and things
like that.

1224
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,880
But yeah, that's of course
people want to hear that, man.

1225
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:33,760
Like, you know, there's there's
all kinds of people that do fell

1226
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:37,720
into something by passion like
you did, and then they want to

1227
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,480
build it or realize they can
build it into something.

1228
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,840
But so many people, which is a
bummer.

1229
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,600
So many people are like I don't
know how can't do it.

1230
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:47,560
And that's, yeah, that's the
thing.

1231
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,600
It's you got to push yourself to
learn more stuff.

1232
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:55,200
For me, learning how to edit,
learning how to market, promote

1233
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,120
other other businesses other
people, collaborate with other

1234
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:01,520
people, interview people.
There's so much stuff that I'm

1235
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:07,080
learning computer stuff and then
just trying to sell, sell what

1236
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,200
you're doing to help you do it
full time.

1237
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,320
And sometimes you really don't
have to try too hard to sell it.

1238
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:16,160
It's just going to automatically
for like for what I do in

1239
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,960
environmental cleanup,
entrepreneur, you know,

1240
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,920
recycling lures, frisbee, golf,
disc bottles, anchors, all the

1241
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,520
stuff that's already in the
river and it's going to recycle

1242
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,120
next year.
You can go back and repeat and

1243
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,600
you clean up, resell, clean up,
resell.

1244
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,760
And it's it's been a cool
business and it it gets to a lot

1245
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,240
of people, young and old, that
are that love fishing, love

1246
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:42,240
outdoors, love clean up, all
kinds of stuff.

1247
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,680
Is there going to be an Ed the
diver storefront?

1248
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,440
Is that in the?
Is that in the future?

1249
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:51,560
Well, I have Ed the diver, Ed
thediver.com, so I already sell

1250
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,280
stuff on there, and I even
recently put some my daughter's

1251
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,120
candles on there.
She's got her own business too,

1252
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:01,640
but a lot of stuff on there.
And I actually just I I have a

1253
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,240
lot of old gear and since I have
a lot of a big following, I

1254
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:07,640
started like putting some of my
old gear up for sale.

1255
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,960
This is like a memorabilia, like
someone have a hang one of my

1256
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:14,400
old suits up on their wall and
say it's from Ed to die

1257
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,560
everywhere back when it started
so.

1258
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,560
Yeah.
So do you remember, I know it's

1259
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,960
kind of circling back to where
we started, but do you remember

1260
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:28,160
the like, was there a concrete
day or time that you remember

1261
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,720
that you that you made the
decision to say like I'm going

1262
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,560
to leave my job and I'm going to
do this?

1263
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,760
Like do you is there anything
specific like that?

1264
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,200
That is a really good question
and I've got to answer.

1265
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:43,200
So I've worked a lot of jobs.
I got really comfortable, my

1266
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,920
last one making a lot of money,
Awesome insurance, awesome

1267
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,480
benefits.
But as I'm aging my my hands and

1268
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:53,320
my feet, I've got Reynaud's
Syndrome, so they get cold

1269
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,000
really fast.
And I just had shoulder surgery.

1270
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,560
But working in the ditches all
the time, it's a lot of hard

1271
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,080
work.
You're working in the elements.

1272
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,600
Cold weather I don't do good
with anymore.

1273
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:07,200
So operating machinery and
working out with your hands in

1274
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,720
like 10° or 0° weather, it was
so miserable because it it just

1275
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,120
hurt my hands and my feet,
they're just frozen icicles.

1276
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,840
And I just decided, like, how
long am I going to do this for?

1277
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,800
You know, like the 1st 10
minutes of the day your hands

1278
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:23,320
are frozen.
They're frozen until you get

1279
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,560
home at 6:00 at night.
It's like I can't keep doing

1280
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:27,880
that.
I don't want to keep wrecking my

1281
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,880
shoulders. 3 hernia surgeries.
It's like really really wrecks

1282
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,560
your body.
So I'm like what price am I

1283
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,440
going to beat up my body just to
keep working this job for

1284
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,960
another 20 years and then my
body doesn't work.

1285
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:44,800
So that was kind of one of the
main factors that I decided,

1286
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,240
hey, I want to work myself, do
something less, less physical,

1287
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,720
but something that I really have
a passion for, I love doing and

1288
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,160
that I can make money from, make
a difference around the world.

1289
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,480
And it's kind of what made me
want to do it and and start it

1290
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:03,120
full time and I so I built up
over a couple years and started

1291
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:04,240
this year full time.
Yeah.

1292
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,000
So it was kind of a slow build
up to finally, like, you know,

1293
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:12,680
nipping away at you to then
this, this opportunity in a way

1294
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,360
kind of presented itself, right?
Like it's not something you

1295
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,920
started doing with the
intention.

1296
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,040
You started doing it because
you're passionate about it and

1297
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:21,520
it was cool for other people to
see.

1298
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:25,600
And then like, there was this
weird crossing paths of like,

1299
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,760
you thinking about all that
stuff you were just talking

1300
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,360
about and then at the same time
being like this was building and

1301
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:32,920
building.
Building OK.

1302
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,960
And it's after I quit my job, I
didn't have insurance for for a

1303
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,520
couple of months.
So that it was kind of a really

1304
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,600
worry in your mind like, OK, I
got to be really careful now and

1305
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:45,920
don't get sick, don't get hurt,
don't do this.

1306
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,040
And so I made it through that
period.

1307
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:52,000
You have insurance now, but it's
just one of those things like as

1308
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:55,440
a parent, as a adult, you're
like I need insurance, My kid

1309
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,160
needs insurance.
So you worry about that.

1310
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,600
And and then with having your
own business, you got to worry

1311
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,840
about, you know, keeping track
of everything, your income, your

1312
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:06,920
expenses, your taxes, all that
stuff.

1313
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,640
And then when another the
government comes and say says,

1314
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,040
OK, how much do you make, how
much do you spend?

1315
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:15,800
And then you try to tell him,
OK, I I made this much but it

1316
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,640
looks like a lot but I have a
lot of bills and I put it in my

1317
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,000
business and so it's it's all
kind of frustrating but.

1318
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,800
Yeah, man, that's that's a
microcosm you just laid out, you

1319
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,960
know, the, the laundry list of
things that stop people from

1320
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:31,960
taking the leap to to do what
you did.

1321
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:33,880
You hear about all that stuff,
right?

1322
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,480
You hear about the insurance.
You hear about like, oh, I'm not

1323
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,480
a numbers person.
I can't, you know, manage and

1324
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,280
balance my Ledger.
You know, like I can't, but but

1325
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,280
you can.
Like you can do it.

1326
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:48,520
And a year later I'm guessing.
Are you?

1327
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:51,360
Are you happy?
Oh yeah, I'm definitely happy.

1328
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,720
And like I said, I got a lot of
stuff coming, coming into

1329
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,920
fruition or coming up next year
and it's just kind of a waiting

1330
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:00,640
game.
You know, you're getting more

1331
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,040
people talking about contracts
and and lawyers and account,

1332
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,440
Like you get all this stuff that
you got to start thinking about

1333
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,640
and it's like, OK, I need to
start looking.

1334
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,720
I'm a diver man, Yeah.
And that's like my, my business

1335
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,480
is called Bieber's Underwater
Recovery.

1336
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,480
For my official business, it'll
be an LLC starting in 2024.

1337
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,840
So then I can start hiring and
having employees and stuff and

1338
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,960
you know, it kind of just
protect my assets in my, my home

1339
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,240
and all that stuff.
But there's so much other stuff

1340
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,440
that's, you know, coming in the
mix like, OK, I want to public

1341
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,280
speak more.
I want to do more commercials

1342
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,840
for companies.
So that's why I want to get in

1343
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:40,800
in in hooked up with an agency,
something that can market me,

1344
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,720
advertise for me, get me more
clients and then now they get

1345
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,000
like a Commission out of it.
So, but it also saved me time

1346
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,960
from searching for all that
stuff because they do it.

1347
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,680
Well, and that girl's starting
to be on display, right?

1348
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,960
You said you were doing a dive
with Charlie Barons the other

1349
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,320
day.
Yeah, we did one in October, got

1350
01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,920
that.
And then he, he wants to come

1351
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,960
back up to my area and do it and
I want to get to.

1352
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:03,920
I want to get a couple of guys
up there, but.

1353
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:08,560
Yeah.
So I guess a little bit earlier

1354
01:08:08,560 --> 01:08:11,800
you mentioned that you had a
bunch of spots on the map.

1355
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:15,720
Those are those are probably
just interested people sending

1356
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:18,720
you these locations, right?
I can show you really quick

1357
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,479
here, but I get everywhere I go.
People say, oh, can you come

1358
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:23,800
here?
And if you come here, can you

1359
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,920
let me know?
Because one, they want me to

1360
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,200
come come see what's in their
waterways, and two, they want to

1361
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,840
meet me.
So there's those are the spots.

1362
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:32,880
Oh wow.
Yeah.

1363
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,920
And there's a lot of spots that
haven't marked but.

1364
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:38,840
There's got to be 50 or 60 just
right there.

1365
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,120
Yeah, there's so many just in
this area here within an hour of

1366
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:46,880
Green Bay.
But there's never, never an end

1367
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:50,200
to where you can dive or where
you can go every, every place

1368
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,279
with water.
There's mysteries, trash, you

1369
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:54,720
know, treasures, something cool
to see.

1370
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,880
And people in the area that
drove by there every single day

1371
01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,800
of their lives, they want to
know what's underwater so they

1372
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:04,720
get to see it.
Private like water bodies do

1373
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,319
people, that's probably more of
like a paid thing, right?

1374
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:08,960
Unless they think there's
something really cool there.

1375
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,880
But people come, come, have you
like dive their private body of

1376
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,160
water.
Like a private lake.

1377
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,439
Yeah, I've, I've tried to do
cleanups at some of these and

1378
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,880
you talk to somebody and they're
like, no, it's a private lake.

1379
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,160
We have an insurance that we get
to pay for and you can't come

1380
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,240
dive here.
And I'm like and I say, well, I

1381
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,279
just want to clean up the trash
here at your beach.

1382
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,120
And no, no, we can't do that.
OK.

1383
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:29,160
I'm moving on.
See ya.

1384
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:32,560
But then I get people that will
lose stuff a a homeowner on that

1385
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:36,120
lake will say, OK yeah, we
dropped our our phone or keys

1386
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,720
off the dock or in the middle of
the lake.

1387
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,439
Can you go look for it?
Then with their permission I can

1388
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,279
do it.
But if somebody says no, then I

1389
01:09:43,319 --> 01:09:45,840
can't.
Yeah, well, and even like like

1390
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,840
if it's a lake, you know, there
are very few actual like private

1391
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,160
lakes that that people that, you
know, people that live on them

1392
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:56,680
think they're private sometimes,
but very few of those.

1393
01:09:56,680 --> 01:10:00,040
But even like ponds and stuff,
you know if someone does, but

1394
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,880
I'm assuming that's probably
more of like a lost thing in

1395
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,800
there.
I've I've done a couple things

1396
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,240
in ponds.
Somebody hired me to come look

1397
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:11,640
for a a grate from their dock
got really windy and it blew one

1398
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,280
of the aluminum grates off and
it was really tough because they

1399
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,760
dye their pond blew to keep the
algae out.

1400
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,880
So when you have blue water and
you're going on deeper, it's

1401
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,480
just completely black.
And then they had a flashlight

1402
01:10:25,480 --> 01:10:27,560
and it didn't there.
It's really bright, but for some

1403
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:31,240
reason it wasn't really working
too well down there but ended up

1404
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,600
finding the great.
But while doing that you got all

1405
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,360
these half dead black weeds
hitting in the face and you're

1406
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,640
diving.
It just feel so gross and it's

1407
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,440
just like, you know, you come
up, it's just.

1408
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,720
Man, I do not envy it.
I I'm going to leave, I'm going

1409
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:52,800
to leave the diving to you, man.
But so interesting though, and

1410
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,400
like, it's it's just, it's
awesome to hear your story about

1411
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,000
taking the leap.
You know, 'cause so many people

1412
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,240
don't.
And that's a lot of reason why I

1413
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:05,720
like sharing stories, why I
thought about the podcast and

1414
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:09,320
sharing people's stories is that
there's so many people that are

1415
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,560
on the cusp of that, you know,
that have something that's

1416
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:16,200
working, but there's all these
things that keep us not taking

1417
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:17,640
the leap.
And it's awesome that you did,

1418
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,000
man.
Yeah, it's a lot of fear

1419
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,240
involved.
Then you say, what if I fail?

1420
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:23,560
What if this happens?
What if?

1421
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,120
A lot of what if?
What if?

1422
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,720
What if you succeed?
What if you make a difference?

1423
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,440
What if people love what you're
doing and it's just kind of how

1424
01:11:30,440 --> 01:11:34,800
it is, and I'm going to mess up.
I'm going to get discouraged by

1425
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,880
negativity.
Negative comments, but the

1426
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,960
positive comments definitely
overwhelm it.

1427
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,400
When you get somebody post
something, false or negative,

1428
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,560
you get all the all your
followers that sit there and

1429
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,280
kind of tear them apart and
like, why would you say that

1430
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,080
you're wrong.
It's all it's pretty cool.

1431
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,240
Yeah, and that's one thing that
that's probably a good kind of

1432
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,760
last topic to hit here today
that I wanted to talk about.

1433
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:59,480
As your presence online grows
and your your following grows,

1434
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,600
of course, like the keyboard
warrior side, on the other side

1435
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:08,200
just trolls grow too.
And as much as you know that

1436
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:11,000
most of the time it's somebody
that there's no, like, there's

1437
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:13,800
no true meaning behind what
they're saying.

1438
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,040
They're just quite literally
being a troll and just trying to

1439
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,720
send negative thoughts and stuff
out into the world.

1440
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,480
What's that been like dealing
with for you as a as a person

1441
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:28,680
who got into this with a passion
not to be a social media star,

1442
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,520
but to to have it come along
with it.

1443
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,840
What's that like dealing with?
At first it's kind of tough when

1444
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,120
you know when you're trying to
show people like you try to show

1445
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,800
them proof video footage and you
have all these videos of all

1446
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,600
this proof, yet they come into
one video just to come make a

1447
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:49,320
stupid comment and then leave.
Are they make a comment, block

1448
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,960
you and then leave.
So it's just it's really

1449
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,440
frustrating, but for a little
while I kind of, I really would

1450
01:12:56,440 --> 01:12:59,400
Stew on it, you know, I would
try to message, message him,

1451
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:01,400
message him back or say
something nice to him.

1452
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,920
I'm like say hey, could you
watch more of my videos before

1453
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,560
you make this kind of statement
or judgement?

1454
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:07,680
But then they block it and you
can't say anything to him.

1455
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,840
And then and then other people
would be able to message him,

1456
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,640
they'd say stuff to him.
But I just, I just stopped

1457
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,360
responding to people like that.
And I was deleting them at

1458
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,160
first, but now we just leave
them, let other people take care

1459
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,400
of it.
And it was kind of like it would

1460
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,440
bother me for hours.
I would, you know, just kind of

1461
01:13:26,440 --> 01:13:27,720
laugh at it.
Then I would be driving.

1462
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:29,840
I'm start thinking about it.
I'd go to the bathroom.

1463
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,440
I'd think about it, just it's
like is dumb, But now I'm kind

1464
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,120
of learning how to overcome it.
Everybody.

1465
01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,200
You say it's dumb.
It happens to everybody.

1466
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,680
Yeah, and then I mean then
people.

1467
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:45,080
I was going to say people that
spam people will send any

1468
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,960
messages.
I posted a picture one one day

1469
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:52,480
and within a couple days I had
3000 spam messages on my my

1470
01:13:52,480 --> 01:13:55,760
messenger and so I would did a
lot of business on there.

1471
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:00,200
So all my business opportunities
were lost in the 3000 messages

1472
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,000
because I couldn't go through
every single one and delete them

1473
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,760
because they kept coming.
As I was deleting them, kept

1474
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,440
coming and I do a lot of stuff,
my phone, my iPad and it's like,

1475
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:13,200
I don't know how to manage it
And there's they're still coming

1476
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,760
so.
But it seems like some of my

1477
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,560
business leads are kind of
separated.

1478
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,280
So people get a hold of me, say
hey, can you come find my phone?

1479
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,440
Or if I just go on the search
and say lost, like type in

1480
01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,440
keywords and I can find those
messages in there.

1481
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,360
Yeah, OK, yeah.
You know, it's such a strange

1482
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,680
thing.
Social media platforms are like

1483
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:38,240
the best worst thing that could
have happened to humanity,

1484
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,040
right?
Like there's so much positivity

1485
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,760
that comes out of it.
And like talking about the power

1486
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,200
of, you know, you doing what you
do, you know, you, you.

1487
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,960
It's on a small scale, you say,
but still think about the

1488
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,760
exponential impact that it's
going to have over the time that

1489
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,160
you do it and then at the same
time you have that person where

1490
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,640
it's a lot like that, you know,
the the old adage says, like the

1491
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,720
the outward expression from
people that are in the negative,

1492
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,800
you know, mindset or sending out
that negative type of stuff into

1493
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,720
the world.
It's more about them than it is

1494
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,120
about you.
And social media allows that to

1495
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,400
happen under the guise of like a
blanket right, Like nobody truly

1496
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:22,280
knows who like this fake name
is, but that doesn't change the

1497
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,080
impact it has on the receiver.
You like, you know, you started

1498
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,720
doing this just to make a
positive impact and then it's

1499
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:33,600
like this, you know, like this
chipping away at it.

1500
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:36,480
It's like that sends people a
different direction too.

1501
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,840
So I'm glad to hear you know
you've come to a place of

1502
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,920
resilience, but man, that's
tough too.

1503
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:46,040
Yeah, well, it happens.
It's not just online.

1504
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:51,200
You get local, some local people
or businesses that are jealous

1505
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,640
or maybe you're taking away
business.

1506
01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,200
They'll they'll say stuff to
public people, then you hear it

1507
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:00,000
through them.
So that's I've learned to

1508
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,800
overcome that so.
Yeah, that type of stuff is, you

1509
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:04,920
know, that's a little bit
different.

1510
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,280
You social media maybe amplifies
that, maybe it doesn't, but like

1511
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,440
whatever.
Like come by at the divers lure

1512
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:15,320
for $3 cheaper and it's fine.
Yeah, yeah, It's just lose it

1513
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:20,720
again, then I'll find it again.
Yeah, well that's awesome, man.

1514
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,400
I I really appreciate you coming
on.

1515
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,440
It was nice getting to getting
to know you a little bit and

1516
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:29,040
hearing about your story.
I I wish you continued success,

1517
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,800
man.
I and I I was kind of surprised

1518
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,760
to see when you you parked in
the driveway like people know at

1519
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,840
the diver your your car or your
truck is like set up so they can

1520
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,640
keep an eye out for your decals.
Yep.

1521
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,400
And that's that's one of the
things that helps with my

1522
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,960
business.
Advertising for for, you know,

1523
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,800
smaller businesses, bigger
businesses.

1524
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,840
And that's one of the things
that I started doing too,

1525
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,920
promotion, promoting small
businesses through my channels,

1526
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:55,640
advertising my truck.
And just something I never

1527
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:57,960
thought about Intel.
I was like, OK, I need to make

1528
01:16:57,960 --> 01:17:01,080
more money working for myself.
Lure sales are slow.

1529
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,280
So then you you start
brainstorming.

1530
01:17:03,480 --> 01:17:06,040
It's pretty cool.
That's those stories, man.

1531
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:09,080
That's what matters to all those
business owners you just talked

1532
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,560
to the other day.
Because everybody, you know,

1533
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,160
everybody that starts that
business, there's no great, well

1534
01:17:16,160 --> 01:17:19,560
there is probably, but there's
no like certain or specific

1535
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:23,360
prescribed way to like take a
step by step growth in that.

1536
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,760
It's like everyone's going to be
unique and you got to decide

1537
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,080
what works for you and what
doesn't.

1538
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,800
Yep, exactly.
Yeah, Well, thanks Ed.

1539
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:31,800
It was nice having.
You on, man.

1540
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:33,200
Thanks for having me.
Absolutely.