David Paul Martin - Driftwood, Music, Faith, Gardening & Pearls to Swine - Episode #74

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What's up friends, Welcome back
to Rooter Wisconsin.

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Today's episode is with David
Paul Martin, musician from

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Wisconsin.
Awesome conversation.

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I start off the pod telling the
story about the first time I saw

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DPM and it was in the cellar of
335.

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And since then I've been excited
to have this conversation.

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Super pumped up.
He's dropping a new album coming

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up in May, and we talked about
some of the inspiration from

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that coming from places like
northern Wisconsin and Lake

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Superior.
We talked about his reflective

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view on life and where creative
inspiration coming comes from.

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And we talked about balancing
life as a father of two, painter

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and musician who is incredibly
talented, but trying to navigate

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the waters of putting that
talent into practice while still

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supporting his family and
everything else that comes with

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life.
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Let's get into the episode DPM.
anyway.

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Same.
We tried to do glass for

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everything.
I actually chose a peanut butter

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the other day.
They like the the place that I

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shop at had a new peanut butter
OK but it was in a plastic

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container.
Everything about it was good

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except they put it in a plastic
container so I didn't buy it.

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You got your free range organic
peanuts, but you want some micro

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plastics along with that?
Exactly.

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There you go.
Yeah, yeah.

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So I think a cool way to start
today is a little bit different

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than I do some of the episodes I
kind of want I kind of want to

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pre sell how I came across to
you.

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The first time I saw you play,
you probably remember it was

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after a show.
I don't think it was Jeffrey at

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3 through 5.
I think it was a is a different

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band, but it was, you know, 3:00
in the morning probably.

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And you were, you busted out the
guitar down in the cellar.

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And it was like, I can't
remember the funny line you had,

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but I was sitting there and by
that time of night, most folks

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were having their conversations
and they were a little further

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from the chairs and stuff.
And I was like this far from you

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just Oh yeah, entranced in it.
And I was like, nobody, how how

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aren't these people paying
attention?

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Come to learn that like most of
them had probably seen you

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before.
Maybe, yeah.

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But or left because it was 3 in
the morning.

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Right, but tricky time to hold
the crowd.

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Yeah, attention span at that
point is generally out the

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window, but you certainly had me
part of it.

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Probably because I don't drink
so I was still in tune.

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Yeah, yeah.
There's a lot of that going on.

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Yeah, but in between songs, I
just mentioned something to you

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about how good it was and how
great you were doing.

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And you had this awesome line
that I can't remember, but it

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was something like like it the,
the concept of it was like, you

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know, feeding, feeding steak to
the peasants, you know, or

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something like that.
It was so hilarious and it was

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spot on for the moment.
Do you happen to remember it at

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all?
Yeah, pearls to swine.

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Pearls to swine.
Nothing against anyone who was

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down in the cellar that night.
You guys are all amazing.

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Yeah.
But it was.

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Yeah, I think that's a, that's
a, that's actually a biblical

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analogy, I think.
I think Jesus says like, don't

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he's like teaching.
He says, like, don't throw your

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pearls before swine.
Like, like, you know, at some

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point, like people aren't going
to accept the message that you

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have, you know, so like you can
only like try so hard.

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I don't know.
Anyway, it's an interesting

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concept, but I feel like that
actually, there's a song on the

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new record.
It's the songbird's eye view.

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And there's a line in it that
says, oh, shoot, is this verse

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3?
This would be really great if I

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could remember my own lyrics.
But yeah, it there's just a line

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that says like referencing, like
throwing my pearls, you know,

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And I guess I'm like remembering
just like all the times in my

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life that, you know, maybe
whether it was like a

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relationship or just a change in
season, but it's like, or just,

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you know, choices you make that
you wish you wouldn't have and

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how that affects others.
And anyway, we can go down that

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rabbit hole.
But it's, I guess that's what I

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said, Something like that, yeah.
That we're all about rabbit

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holes, man.
That's what we do That and like

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that, that in the moment
response was just so great,

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dude, because you're a meeting
with it.

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And to finish kind of setting
the table for this, like I, you

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know, I probably watched you
play for over an hour that

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night.
It was a while you played a lot

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of music and it was just like
everyone after another was just

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a banger after a banger.
And I was like, I've never heard

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any of this.
How do I hear it?

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And it was me and one of the
guys from the band that had

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played that night.
We're sitting across from each

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other just like entranced.
Oh, I think you know, that night

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was with Griffin Sherry.
That's what it was.

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From that he was with the band
goes to Paul Revere.

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But then he came and did a solo
tour and he played at 335 and

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maybe I opened for them that
night or maybe I just was

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playing in the cellar, I can't
remember.

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I don't I don't think you had
opened because I remember the

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first time I had seen you was
down there.

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That's right.
So you're probably running sound

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and and and then did that and
that was just part of the part

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of the depth of experience that
is that place.

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You know we got some cool shows
coming up and stuff, including

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you, right?
Nothing on the calendar yet

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officially confirmed, but
hopefully yeah.

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Oh, maybe that was secret
information I wasn't supposed to

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say.
Like, I don't know, Chris, if

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you're listening right.
Yeah, but that's since that,

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that night I've I've listened to
a lot of your tunes.

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I've probably watched that
version in the room of Skin and

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Bones, right.
Skin and Bones, it's called Yeah

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on the YouTube version of it 20
times.

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Oh, in the library, yeah.
Yeah, I'm wearing a stormy

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Cromer in that.
I know.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I know.

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Shout out to Stormy Cromer.
Yeah, sponsor me.

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Yeah, sponsor us.
Awesomey Cromer.

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Yeah, absolutely.
And that's probably a cool place

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to start, right?
Because the the single you just

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dropped off of the album, I saw
a thing that you had online

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about that being tied to Lake
Superior.

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Oh yeah, right.
OK, so what's the story?

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Yeah, so the first single off
the record is called Driftwood.

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And yeah, it's a tune I wrote
inspired by one of my favorite

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beaches up on Lake Superior.
Like really fond memories every

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summer going up there with
family, summer nights on the on

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the lake at different spots.
And it's just such a special

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beautiful, like pure place, you
know, Pure Michigan, right?

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Anyway, the actually the one
place that we go is actually in

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Wisconsin.
So take that, Michigan.

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Yeah, the UPS ours anyway.
Right.

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Yep, we should just join
together we can.

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Share it, but I mean by label it
should be ours.

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So we have a cabin up there and
it's on property that's been in

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my family for a couple
generations now.

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A few generations, My great
grandfather, my dad's

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grandfather immigrated from
Finland, settled, farmed the

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spot in Saxon, Wisconsin, which
is not too far from Ironwood,

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MI, if you're familiar with the
area.

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So we go up there, we're only
like 10 minutes from the lake.

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And so you got these really
interesting pockets of

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Lakeshore, you have like sandy
beaches, then you go like a

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couple miles down all rocks, you
know, whether it's like solid

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rocks or like, you know, pebbles
that are small or big.

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And we go out there and look for
agates all the time.

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And then there's a one spot in
particular where a river comes

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into the lake and it's just
covered in driftwood.

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And I guess just the the concept
of going out, finding a unique

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piece and choosing it from
amongst thousands of pieces just

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always spoke to me Like how
great does that feel when

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someone comes along and they
encourage you, lift you up, you

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know, single you out, like
invite you into their world,

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right.
And so that was kind of where my

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head was at in writing the song.
And there's also that, like,

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classic Midwest like, decorating
thing where people, like, grab

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their chunk of driftwood that
they found at one of the Great

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Lakes, They bring it home and
they stab it in their garden,

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you know, and make a place for
it, you know?

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And if it's at your grandma's
house, maybe it's right next to

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the wagon wheel leaning up
against the house or something

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like that, you know?
But yeah, just like finding a

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piece and making it your
treasure, like, you know, you

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can apply that to life and
relationship and all that.

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So that's that's a little bit
behind the song, yeah.

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That's awesome dude that's so
funny.

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We don't have any at our current
house, but our last house was it

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had rock landscaping around the
entire thing and in the entire

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rock landscaping was driftwood
from Lake Superior.

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It's like, can we make our front
entryway like a beach?

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Yeah.
Exactly.

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Yeah, Lake Superior beaches are
underrated, man.

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They're.
It's amazing.

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It's like a tropical paradise in
the summer.

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It really is, Yeah.
Yeah.

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And I mean the water never gets
that warm, but like.

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Right, minus the water type.
Yeah, minus the water type.

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It's super tropical paradise.
I love walking Lake Superior

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beaches.
I remember the same day we

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picked up a lot of that
driftwood.

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It's hilarious.
I, I always like, I love

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walking.
I, I love what when, whenever we

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travel, all I want to do is walk
because I think it's one of the

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coolest ways to explore.
Like if I'm in a car, I'm not

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paying attention the same way
and you're not as in tune.

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And I think like 70% of the time
it drives my wife nuts because

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I, I want to walk like 4 miles,
do a bunch of different stuff

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and she's like, can we just get
an Uber?

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And I remember this day walking
down the beach and I probably

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went further than anybody else
wanted to go, but it's just, to

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me, that's the way to take in
the environment.

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And that's that Like my
mindspace gets to that mindspace

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when you can think about stuff
through a more like whole lens

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as opposed to just like
sprinting everywhere you go to

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get to your favorite restaurant
and then you go home and you're

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like, but what was in between?
Right.

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Yeah, the journey.
Yeah.

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Yeah, the process, Right.
Yeah, the in between is

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important.
It is.

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Yeah, that's a cool story, man.
So when?

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When I so this episode will drop
pretty soon.

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It's only going to be like a
week or two from now.

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When does the album come out?
The full album.

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Yeah, the full album comes out
on May 1st.

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OK, Yep.
And it's going to be we're doing

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a release show at Gibson Music
Hall in Appleton and it's going

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to be at 730.
Doors open at 7:00, I think, and

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the band Natural Satellite,
Carly and Jason, they're a like

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jazz pop duo.
Saxophone, cello, vocals, really

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cool stuff.
They're going to open the night

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and then they played a lot of
the songs on the record with me

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too.
So they're going to join us on

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stage and we'll be like a little
super group for the night.

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But yeah, the album comes out
that night exclusively on vinyl.

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So obviously there'll be the
four singles available in the

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digital realm for people to
listen to.

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But if you want to, if you want
to own the whole the whole

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record and be one that has my
music on vinyl for the first

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time ever, got to buy the
record.

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So and then eventually I'll,
I'll probably release the album,

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you know, in its entirety on
places like Spotify and what

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not.
But yeah, it'll be a vinyl

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exclusive for a little while.
That's the way to do it.

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Combine like, you know, that's a
really we can go a lot of

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different directions as an
artist and talk about Spotify

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and digital streaming now like,
you know, as somebody external

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that from the outside looking
in, I don't know, there's good

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and bad to it.
Like most of life there, there's

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good and bad, but to leverage
that first couple weeks of like

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because I mean, especially
buying a record of someone's is

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one of my favorite ways to just
support them as an artist.

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It's like it seems like one of
the like easiest barriers to

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entry.
I just started this little

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collection that I'm really
excited about, you know, making

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more.
There's there's more at home.

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I'm trying to have a four year
old and I bought him a couple.

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He, he really likes Sierra
Ferrell.

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So I got him a Sierra Ferrell
record for Christmas and he was

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all pumped up.
But yeah, it's, it just seems

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like one of the best ways to
support an artist.

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And kind of the way you do that
with, you know, a month or

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however long you're going to do
it, just vinyl.

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It kind of incentivizes that a
little bit for people to kind of

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just remind them like, hey, you
know, grab a T-shirt, grab a

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record.
Exactly.

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Yeah, we're going to have Tees,
we're going to have hats

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records, so.
Stormy Cromer.

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No, unfortunately.
That would be so cool though.

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Maybe it maybe a future release
we could partner with them and

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do a custom embroidery on a
Stormy but.

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The DPM version.
The DPM what would be?

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What would be the design?
What would be the color scheme?

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Oh, I don't know.
I mean, I'm actually trying to

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figure out what I want to put on
my hat right now, OK.

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And so if you were going to wear
a DPM hat or like, do you have

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like a favorite hat that you
wear or do you you're not a hat

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guy?
Yeah, I am.

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I have a a select few that I
would consider my favourites.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I just wonder if they have

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like an image on them or if they
have like text on them mostly.

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Generally text when I created
this one.

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Yeah, the Wisco and you.
Know actually it's another band

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hat who I think did a really
good job with one is actually

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they're going to be a 325 arts
fishing club.

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Have you ever seen the one where
they have the muskie on it?

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No, but that it's.
Embroidered, it's just a musky

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and it says Arts Fishing Club.
I'm kind of like about

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simplicity.
Yeah, a lot.

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So that would be my trend.
And I dig cream colour.

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So I kind of knocked off their
style with that.

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To tell you the truth, I just
put my words on it and said

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yeah.
So yeah, I mean, definitely

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buying the merch, buying a
ticket, that's like the best way

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to support, you know, Spotify
and other streaming services

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kind of feel like, I mean, yeah,
there's good and bad.

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Kind of feels like a necessary
evil a little bit like, what an

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amazing way to share your music
with the world, you know?

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And to be able to like, look on
there and be like, somebody's

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listening to me in Bangkok right
now.

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What in the world you know?
And turns out it was my neighbor

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who is travelling, who was,
yeah, who was travelling in

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Bangkok.
Oh, he was there.

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Yeah, it was like 1 listener in
Bangkok, and it was him and his

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parents live across the street
from me.

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So it's just like, what a weird
small world.

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But yeah, streaming is great,
but you know, nobody makes any

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money from that.
Yeah, like, unless you're a

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select few, I suppose.
The way that it's tiered and the

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way that the structure works is
very strange.

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Like not everyone gets the same
amount of money per play.

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So like, I might get this many
fractions of cents, but then

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this artist who's like really
popping off or whatever they're

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getting, you know, more based on
engagement and stuff.

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So it's not a, it's not like a
doesn't feel like fair

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necessarily.
It's just kind of like rigged, I

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suppose.
But I'm not one of those people

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that's going to be like, yeah,
I'm taking all my stuff down off

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streaming services because why?
Like at this point in my career,

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it's like the more people that I
can share with, the better.

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So, you know, win some, you lose
some, I guess.

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Yeah.
For.

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Sure, Similar to making money on
social media.

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Exactly.
Save the sponsorships that I'm

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talking about through the actual
platforms similar to that, you

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know?
It's well, and you know, I think

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people need to be reminded of
this, but like, if you follow an

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artist on Instagram or Facebook
or TikTok or whatever, like

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you're not going to see their
stuff unless you're actively

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engaging in it.
So like you miss so many things,

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which is I think why?
And I want to drive this point

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home by joining my mailing list
is like the best way to stay in

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touch for me to be able to,
like, tell you about a show or

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tell you about a new release or
something.

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Because otherwise, it's like,
OK, I have this many followers,

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but like, only ten of those
people saw it, you know, because

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I'm not posting enough or I'm
not spending enough money on

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promotion on those platforms.
You know, it's all, all money.

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So anyway, yeah, it's tough to
know, like, how to balance those

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things in the midst of, you
know, work and family life and

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like trying to do a release, but
you want it to be as successful

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as possible, of course.
But like, how much time am I

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spending on my phone like, you
know, making sure I'm putting

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out enough stuff or whatever.
It's like, is this a waste or is

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it, you know, profitable?
Like is you know, what do I do?

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So because I'm doing a lot of it
myself.

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Like nobody's the dream is we
have a manager and all the

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things someday.
But yeah, you know, it's very

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DIY at this point.
Absolutely.

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So with.
That's what makes it satisfying

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when it happens, man is all that
You'll think back to the day and

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be like I was doing it all
myself.

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And then, you know, most things
that we get true enjoyment out

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of in life.
It was the journey we talked

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about earlier.
When you think about it, it's

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not, you know, it's great to get
to the top of the mountain.

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Right.
You can't forget the steps, you

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know?
And I think that's what makes me

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appreciate stuff when things do
well.

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For sure, for sure.
And I think like another side of

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that is like, and I was just
listening to a podcast actually,

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where they were interviewing a
singer-songwriter, Dave Barnes.

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I don't know if you've ever
heard of him, but he has stayed

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very rooted in his faith and in
his family while being a

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successful writer and Co writer
and artist and comedian as well.

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He's very funny, but he's like,
yeah, at some point I had to

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like, I realized like, yeah, OK,
I've gotten to this point and

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it's really exciting and like
things are really happening for

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me.
But like, what's next?

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And I could get it.
It could grow this even bigger,

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even bigger, even bigger.
And he's like, I got to a point

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where I had to realize like, I
don't want to lose what I love

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the most, which is my family.
And this grounding like by just.

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Doing more, more, more, more,
more and scaling it up bigger

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and bigger because he's like you
always can, but you actually

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have to like say no to stuff,
you know, and like stay true to

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what what is most important.
So that's something that I

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always wrestle with and keep in
mind, you know, as I'm thinking

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about this, because it, you
know, music is my passion.

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Like, I really want to do this,
but like, I got to, I've got to

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love and serve my family and
I'll be gone all the time, you

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know, So it's tough to want to
be a musician and feel like,

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well, you know, the way you make
money is playing shows and

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selling stuff.
And so you got to like, get out

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there and do that.
But, you know, I, the Dave

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Barnes was like, yeah, you know,
I made a choice to get married

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and have kids and like, I want
to raise them well.

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And, you know, at the end of the
day, like I'm going to, you

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know, I'm going to wish that I
had gone to that soccer game,

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you know, instead of being on
this or that stage, you know?

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So like I want to say that's my
heart in it too.

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And yeah, so it's a balancing
act and it's.

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And it's a lot to the juggle,
you know, especially when it's

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not like full time yet.
Like it would be a beautiful

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thing to be able to wake up in
the morning and like be like,

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well, I'm going to the studio,
you know, and I'm going to make

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a song today or I'm going to
work on this and that

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promotional thing today or
whatever.

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But right now I'm a full time
painter.

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So I get up and I put on my
painting pants and I go paint

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houses.
So, you know, it's a good time.

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And it's a, it's a, I'm, I'm
figuring out little kind of

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niche things in that industry
that make it fun for me.

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Like right now I'm doing a, like
a marbled checkerboard floor for

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someone in their kitchen.
So it's like, it's, it's cool

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'cause it's like very hands on.
It's like, I'm not just like

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rolling a wall or like spraying
out an apartment.

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You know, it's, you know, you
got to use your brain and you're

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like, actively like making it's,
it's, it's kind of art artsy,

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you know, so.
Yeah, there's a lot to that,

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man.
First, how many how many kiddos

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do you have?
I have two.

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Two, yeah, a three-year old boy
and a four month old little

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girl.
In the thick of it.

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Yes, it is the thick of it and
like just it feels like perfect

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time, you know, to release a
record and try to go play a

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bunch of shows, right?
Is the three-year old still in

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diapers or out of diapers?
He's working on that.

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Working on it in the transition.
It is a tough transition, man.

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Yeah.
He, he he seriously regressed

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when our little girl was born
because I think he realized he

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wanted to be a baby again.
Like her.

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Yeah.
It's like, oh, she's getting all

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the attention now and like, what
do I have to do to get some of

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that back?
Oh, yeah.

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I remember when I was, you know,
they, you know, it's a whole

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thing.
But it's just, again, part of

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the process.
Yeah, got to embrace it and try

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not to, you know, be frustrated
or something that that's where

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we're at.
You know, it's like in love.

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Just come alongside of them and
yeah.

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Yeah, support the best you can,
manage emotions the best you

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can.
It's.

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Yeah, and I mean, while we're on
the topic, like shout out to my

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wife who does so much to just
keep our home running.

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And like she has a way harder
job than Oliver dream of having

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like and more beautiful too,
because she gets to like first

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hand invest in, you know,
bringing up kids that, you know,

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love people, love God.
And yeah, she she has a way

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harder than I'll ever have.
So I'm thankful for that.

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Absolutely not for that, but for
her.

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Yeah, yeah.
Is she a stay at home mom then?

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Yeah, she is.
Yeah, my wife is too.

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That's man, you like we get
these fleeting glimpses of it,

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right when we try to give them
time to be an adult and a normal

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human and stuff away from the
children.

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And you get these glimpses where
it's like, you know, a couple

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times my wife has travelled for
four days or, you know, 3-4 days

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gone And, and it's just me and
riff and you get these glimpses

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of how taxing it, it really is.
Like it, it is so much work to

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to stay present with them as
much as you can and and manage

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emotions like I was talking
about and and just have all that

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mental space that goes to
keeping this little like crazy

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bowling ball alive that is just
constantly trying to kill

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themselves.
Yeah, figuring it all out.

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Yeah, so I agree, man, that was
the that was the biggest

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blessing for us when for like
the first probably seven months

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or nine months or something that
Riv was alive.

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My wife was working OK.
And then she went through a

445
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,080
shift at work where she got a
new supervisor.

446
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,280
The mesh wasn't great and stuff.
And I was just like, you know,

447
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,640
you don't really have to do it.
We can, we can make it work, you

448
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,440
know, cut corners here and there
wherever you can save nickels

449
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,840
and Dimes and we can make it
work.

450
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,520
And man, I, I know it's, I know
it's not something that

451
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,720
everybody can do because
fiscally it's very difficult,

452
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,240
but man, was it a positive
transition for us just to see

453
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,960
the change in Rivers
development.

454
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,920
And just like her, even though
they are long days, like man,

455
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,320
there are times when I think of
the long days that I've had with

456
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,320
him and like, I wouldn't trade
him for anything.

457
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,880
And she's going to have this
whole not only supporting an

458
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,640
individual hopefully into a, you
know, successful and kind and

459
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,800
compassionate human, but at the
same time, like all that stuff

460
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,760
in the memory Bank of those, you
know, those long days of lunches

461
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240
and go fish games and playing,
sitting outside in the kiddie

462
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,160
pool and stuff.
Yeah, Yeah.

463
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,720
It's cool, man.
Has.

464
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,800
How would you say the transition
to fatherhood being three years

465
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,480
into it, how is it shifted you
as an individual?

466
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,320
That's one thing that I like to
talk about a lot.

467
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:09,920
Oh man, it's been obviously like
a really difficult thing, but I

468
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,680
think it's like the best thing
ever.

469
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,680
It's a it's very, you know, it
grows you and it, it betters you

470
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:27,280
and really matures you, you
know, and actually the the next

471
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,360
single I'm putting out is called
1st and it's just all about like

472
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,640
putting others before yourself.
And so, yeah, I mean, that's

473
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:43,560
something that I've really grown
in and still am just this like

474
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:53,320
dying to your own desires or
whatever and, and choosing to to

475
00:27:53,320 --> 00:28:00,320
invest and to love someone else.
And really that's, you know,

476
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,840
that's not just words, it's,
it's constant intentional action

477
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:11,680
and, and time spent.
And so, yeah, fatherhood has

478
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:22,600
definitely grown me just
emotionally, spiritually and,

479
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,840
and helped me to, I think just
see the world from a better

480
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:36,320
place, you know, in a more
compassionate and and selfless

481
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,160
place.
So yeah.

482
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Yeah, the selflessness part of
it is crazy.

483
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:49,000
It like there is no way to ever
know that you could feel this

484
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,920
type of way about something
until it happens, right.

485
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,360
And one of the one of the common
like go to like tongue in cheek

486
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,400
things, as they'll say is like,
you know, I, I love my wife to

487
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,000
death more than anything in the
world.

488
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,760
And I'm like, I thought I loved
my wife.

489
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Like I love this little guy is
crazy.

490
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,720
Oh yeah.
But I mean, in reality it it

491
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,040
just shifts how you look at it,
right?

492
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:14,560
I I like looking at life, like
just seeing what goes on and how

493
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,440
they perceive and see things is
a breath of fresh air for me.

494
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Every right to look at things in
a different way.

495
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,800
And it's really easy to get away
from that because we caught up

496
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,800
in the rat race of life and
doing the things you were

497
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,800
talking about earlier, like
setting goals, achieving goals,

498
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,360
making money, doing all this
stuff.

499
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,920
But then you you see, like, like
my little dude invented a new

500
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,960
game yesterday that he likes
playing it.

501
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480
It halfway makes sense too.
It was actually pretty

502
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:47,000
impressive and it's just like,
man, you have the time to like

503
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,960
that was where your focus and
intention was.

504
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,080
It was like, man, if I do this
different with my Go Fish cards,

505
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,880
we could play a different game.
How old is he?

506
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,760
He is 4 1/2.
OK.

507
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,400
OK.
So a little bit farther along,

508
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,800
yeah.
Yeah, a little bit.

509
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,080
Yeah, My little guy is always,
like, inventing stuff, like

510
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,520
pushing furniture together,
creating trains and, you know,

511
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,400
submarines.
And I'm in a submarine.

512
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,040
And he'd like, he stretched out
my tape measure on the floor

513
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,240
and, like, bent it.
And then he was like, this is my

514
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,920
rocket ship.
I'm like, you don't need much,

515
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,840
you know, to like to entertain
and keep yourself busy, you

516
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,480
know?
Yeah, yeah.

517
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,280
So still the songs on the on the
record, Have the bulk of them

518
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,320
been written in the past three
years since fatherhood, or are

519
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,440
there some older ones that have
been lingering?

520
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,640
Yeah, that's a good question.
Some of them are older.

521
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,400
For example, I just was like
scrolling through my photo

522
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:49,320
gallery and I found a video of
me like playing the bass line

523
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,800
from this next single that I'm
putting out first.

524
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,960
Oh, maybe it'll be actually,
it'll be out on Friday, so maybe

525
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:59,960
I don't know if it'll be out
yet.

526
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,600
But anyway, it's called 1st and
I was playing the bass line and

527
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,000
that video was from 2019.
So like that's an older one.

528
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,520
And but yeah, there's a song on
on the record called Little Boy

529
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,200
Blue that I wrote specifically
about having my son.

530
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,840
And so, like, you'll hear a lot
of those themes throughout the

531
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,960
record just, I mean, the
record's called soul geology.

532
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:29,040
And so, you know, just kind of
the idea of like digging through

533
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:35,120
layers of, you know, the deepest
parts of ourselves, you know,

534
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:40,880
and matters of the heart and,
and the spirit, you know?

535
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:47,360
And so, yeah, I hope that
resonates through the whole

536
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,120
record and.
Soul geology can dig a little

537
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,520
bit deeper into that.
I love that concept.

538
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,400
Like thinking of what comes to
my mind when I think of soul

539
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,680
geology.
It's exactly where I love my

540
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,680
brain space to be when I can get
there.

541
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Tell me your deeper intention
behind it.

542
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:08,240
So like I envision, Well, let me
you go first.

543
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Tell me no.
No.

544
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,960
What do you envision?
I just want to know.

545
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:17,440
For soul, like when I hear that
term, I I think of like diving

546
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:24,520
to the like the deepest parts of
your mind that are covered up

547
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,400
for one reason or another.
Yeah, yeah, I think of geology

548
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480
is like.
Maybe you covered them up or

549
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:31,920
yeah, maybe life covered them
up.

550
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,920
You know different things.
Exactly.

551
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,120
Yeah, It can happen for so many
reasons, right?

552
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,880
There's things we don't want to
think about because it's

553
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880
uncomfortable.
There's there's things we forget

554
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760
about that when it pops back
into our mind, it's like, that's

555
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,240
a pleasant thing.
Thank you for coming back today

556
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,480
and everything in between.
So I, that's what I think of.

557
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,800
I, I, I don't get to do it
nearly as much as I like, but

558
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,520
like one of my favorite things
to do is like this, the space

559
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,440
between rest and meditation.
It's like not full meditation,

560
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:08,880
but not full awareness either.
Just like in between of it's

561
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
kind of like the those before
bed thoughts.

562
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:13,760
But I'm a really quick to
sleeper.

563
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160
So like as soon as my head hits
the pillow, I'm gone.

564
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,920
Yeah.
But for that 3 minutes, the

565
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,120
things that I can think of, it's
that's where I that's where I

566
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,680
focus.
Like, yeah, I just imagine a

567
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240
little mini me walking around
inside my brain opening doors

568
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,200
that I forgot existed.
Interesting.

569
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,120
Interesting.
That's cool to think about it

570
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:37,680
that way.
I mean, on the geology front, I

571
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:42,560
was from a young age pretty
interested in like rocks and

572
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,640
minerals and my just a little
fun little story, like inherited

573
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:53,520
a lot of specimens from my
grandpa who knew people that

574
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,560
worked in mines and specifically
iron mines in northern

575
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Wisconsin, upper Michigan, and
some really cool pieces, you

576
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,360
know, and so was a part of a
geology club for a lot of years.

577
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,400
And so my dad, like my dad and I
and my parents and I have gone

578
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,040
on, you know, digs and different
geologic outings and stuff and

579
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,280
found some really cool stuff.
Like went to Colorado.

580
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,120
This was a highlight for me with
this.

581
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,400
We went to Colorado and had a
guy who knew a guy who had a

582
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,040
claim on some National Forest
and like gave us a map and like

583
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,639
we followed all these crazy
trails and we dug smoky quartz

584
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:40,360
and it's called Amazonite and
found some really beautiful like

585
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,679
microspecimens.
And anyway, so just on earthing

586
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,000
things and seeing things and
that beauty like that no one

587
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,159
else has ever seen, you know, is
pretty special.

588
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,560
And so it's, it's a fun like you
can go to a rock shop and buy,

589
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,720
buy a rock, but that's not as
cool as like literally, you

590
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:03,160
know, you're picking away and
you find this thing and you pull

591
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,960
out the specimen and it's like,
it's like it's being born, you

592
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,360
know, And so I've always loved
geology.

593
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:18,040
And I have also grew up in a
very like devout Christian home.

594
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:25,920
And, you know, my faith in, in
Christ has always been central

595
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,840
to my life.
And, you know, the day-to-day of

596
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,520
like dying to yourself and
following him and like doing

597
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:42,360
what he calls you to do, like
that's, you know, the spiritual

598
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,800
life or the spiritual ascent is
it's difficult and it and it

599
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:52,160
forces you to go within and, you
know, deal with things that you

600
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,600
don't really want to deal with,
you know.

601
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:59,880
And so, yeah, soul geology.
I don't know when that kind of

602
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,960
just clicked.
That title just clicked for me

603
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,160
one day.
I was like, this is so cool.

604
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:10,440
Like this is a neat, you know,
meshing of different ideas and

605
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,520
different parts of my life that
are also intrinsically linked,

606
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:20,960
you know, and interestingly
enough, like grew up in a, it

607
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,880
more like a Protestant Christian
background.

608
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:30,960
And over the course of the past
3-4 years, my wife and I have

609
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,520
actually landed in Orthodox
Christianity, Eastern Orthodoxy,

610
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:44,560
and it's just totally expanded
my, my understanding of, of God

611
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,880
and, and the spiritual life and
the beautiful way.

612
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,560
And shout out to Saint Matthew
Orthodox Church in Green Bay

613
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,680
right here.
That's where we are a part of.

614
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:59,880
It's a beautiful community and
but yeah, like, you know, the,

615
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:11,480
the work of, of uncovering and
and pursuing spiritual Wellness

616
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,880
and like healing for your soul
is, you know, it's a it's a

617
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,920
cooperation between God and man.
It's not like I think I used to

618
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:29,800
think like along a little more,
you know, Western thought in in

619
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:36,560
terms of like, you know, God
being the one that like chooses.

620
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,320
This is kind of how I I think I
grew up.

621
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,640
God chooses you and it's almost
sort of a, you know, robotic,

622
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:51,520
like predestined type idea.
And, you know, I've come to

623
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,680
realize that that is like that's
not the case.

624
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,720
There's obviously tons of people
that interpret, you know, this,

625
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,560
this book, the Bible so
differently.

626
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,920
And that's why we have so many
different churches and so many

627
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:09,360
different beliefs.
But like, you know, I don't want

628
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:10,440
to lose my train of thought
here.

629
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,480
This is this is big.
What where am I going?

630
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Yeah, just the, the, the working
out of your salvation and like

631
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:26,440
your, your, your life with God
is a very active process, you

632
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,320
know, and it takes it, it takes
spiritual work, you know.

633
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:42,240
And so, yeah, like digging down
and and mining is just those,

634
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:44,800
those visuals are, are big for
me.

635
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,640
So yeah, yeah, I don't know
where I was going with that.

636
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:57,240
Probably a lot of rambles,
sorry, but but yeah, it's, it's

637
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:02,840
been a really like full,
interesting, challenging season,

638
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:08,480
you know, of like parenthood
and, you know, spiritual alert,

639
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:14,360
growing, growing, growing and
learning and maybe some groaning

640
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:14,720
too.
I don't.

641
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:16,600
Know you can find spiritual
groaning out there.

642
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,680
I was going to say yeah, you
absolutely can.

643
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Yeah, but but I think that's
simblematic or representative of

644
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,400
a lot of types of self
improvement whether you know it,

645
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,320
it's your spiritual or faith or
how you act towards others.

646
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,880
Yeah, anything.
Which is very linked.

647
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,560
Very linked.
Yeah, absolutely.

648
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,880
It it always takes more work
than it seems like it should,

649
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,880
right?
Like it we have these great

650
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,360
thoughts of aspirational
thoughts of what we could be or

651
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,680
what we could do or what we'd
like to be.

652
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,160
And then if you don't follow
that up with the work that comes

653
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,440
behind it, it it can.
Those thoughts can often be for

654
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,240
not if if if you don't
steadfastly.

655
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:13,200
Do the the work of the you know
the the the geology part of the

656
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,320
soul geology.
Yeah.

657
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,320
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, it's, I don't know.

658
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,320
I had a it reminds me it's it's
not faith-based.

659
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,320
I did AI had a chance.
This is 45 years ago now to do

660
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,280
this work.
It was called positive

661
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,320
intelligence.
So a dude from he taught at like

662
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Harvard or Stanford or something
and Ivy League school wrote a

663
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,360
book.
It's at at the core level, it

664
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,560
seemed kind of like emotional
intelligence repackaged a little

665
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,600
bit.
But when I dove down into it,

666
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000
there were some things that like
opened the door for the work

667
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,560
that needed to happen because a
lot of that stuff is like, OK,

668
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,440
think, reflect and then try to
do.

669
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,600
But in this specific thing, it
lasted so long.

670
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,400
It was like 6 or 8 months.
And there were some of the core

671
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,000
pieces were like one of the
foundational things was to

672
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,480
imagine yourself as a kid
actually talking about seeing

673
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,320
your, seeing your 3 year old
self.

674
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,160
And I think a lot of that was
from like the building empathy

675
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,960
side of things, right?
Like you, it's, it's hard to

676
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,280
look at a three-year old get
upset about something that you

677
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,480
know, they shouldn't be upset
about or, you know, it's not

678
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,880
that big of a deal per SE.
But at the same time, like to

679
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,160
that three-year old, it's the
entire world and, and he or she

680
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,080
is working through that in the
same way that we do our issues,

681
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,360
right.
And I think that that was the

682
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,160
picture he was trying to share.
But when I think about the

683
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,760
person I was when I was done to,
when I started, it was

684
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,480
drastically different.
It was one of the better things

685
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,400
I've done in my life in that
realm, but it was six months of

686
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,960
solid work, you know, a lot of
thought time, a lot of like

687
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,640
cognizant actions and similar in
the faith realm.

688
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,120
I, I'm, I'm a bit more wayward
in my, in my faith.

689
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:03,720
I I've clung the most towards
some Eastern philosophical

690
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:06,960
principles over my life.
Eastern Orthodoxy, man.

691
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,680
Check it out.
Yeah, I've heard about it.

692
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,840
So I, I actually had a really a
couple deep conversations

693
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,000
recently with another person
here from Green Bay.

694
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,920
She was going to come on the
pod, but we had to reschedule.

695
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,760
Actually, you may know where you
may even go to the same church.

696
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,360
I don't know the name of the
church she goes to, but there

697
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,320
are some things that, you know,
she said that kind of a line

698
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:32,120
with my thought system.
And I've, I'd like to say that

699
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,400
as I age, I'm becoming less like
headstrong and, and stubborn,

700
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040
but that's another one of these
things that's work.

701
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:44,040
And so tell me what, what's the
why do you say that?

702
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Why?
Why?

703
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
So when I say like Eastern
philosophical principles, I'm

704
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,640
talking like Confucius,
Buddhism, things like that.

705
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:51,960
Sure.
Is the what?

706
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,600
What brings that connection in
your mind?

707
00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:02,560
Well, I think a lot of us have
grown up, you know, here in

708
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:12,200
America with a very like Western
spiritual mindset, which comes

709
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:21,840
from, I mean, ultimately like
the the Western world, like

710
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Rome, Catholicism, you got the
Reformation, all those guys

711
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:33,240
break off comes over to America.
Like, you know, I grew up in

712
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,840
more of a Baptist, you know, non
denominational type Christian

713
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:43,760
tradition and Eastern Orthodox
Christianity, which is, you

714
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,600
know, which I'm learning is one
of the most, if not the most

715
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:53,720
rooted historical church that
goes back to like Jesus and the

716
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:58,200
apostles.
Like it's, you know, it was

717
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:05,560
doing its thing in Greece and
Russia and kind of in the

718
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,160
eastern side of, you know,
Europe and, and beyond.

719
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,320
And so like the Orthodox Church
actually came to America.

720
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,080
There were from Russia.
Like there was a guy who came

721
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,400
over and started a church on
like a little island in, in

722
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Alaska area.
And and from that it has spread.

723
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,240
So like, it's definitely, you
know, it was new for us to, to,

724
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,480
to, to dive into, but it's
definitely worth checking out,

725
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,520
especially if you're someone who
has grown up in church, whether

726
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,800
that, you know, be Catholic or
Protestant and you're just sort

727
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,960
of like burned out or you're
like hurt or you're like trying

728
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:54,760
to figure out, you know, why it
didn't work or, you know, and

729
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,760
because I know a lot of friends
and, and who maybe grew up in

730
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,320
church and then they sort of
just, you know, fell away or

731
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,160
whatever because life gets busy
And, but then you start having

732
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,800
kids.
And I see all these people who

733
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,320
are like, what do I do now?
Like, what do I teach my

734
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,280
children?
Because now it's like, they have

735
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,760
this, you know, great
responsibility to like bring

736
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,520
them up and raise them.
And how do I want to do that,

737
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,520
you know, and how do I want to
teach them about the world and,

738
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,240
and, and existence?
And so.

739
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,320
Yeah, I would just say it's
definitely worth looking into

740
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:40,520
because it, it's a, it's a
different, I feel like it's a,

741
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040
it's not just a different side
of a coin.

742
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,320
It's like a different coin, but
it's, I mean, it all goes back

743
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:56,240
to the person of Jesus.
And it's like it's, I think I

744
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:59,320
grew up, well, I grew up in a
Bible church that really held up

745
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:05,520
the Bible.
And like, I think I started to

746
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:11,640
think that my whole religion was
based on the Bible and based on

747
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,520
a book.
But actually it's based on a

748
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,760
person which was like, you know,
I believe God made flesh coming

749
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:23,240
to dwell among men and like to
take on that, to take on our

750
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:30,240
nature while also remaining God.
Like, whoa, knock over the mic.

751
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:34,760
You know, it's, it's, it's a,
it's a mind blowing and

752
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,400
beautiful thing to, to think
about like the love of God and

753
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:44,960
seeing him has as a like loving,
pursuing figure rather than

754
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,840
someone who is sitting up there
judging and standing far off.

755
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,680
Like he's not a God that's far
off.

756
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,320
He's one who like comes in and
dwells with us.

757
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:00,400
And I don't know, it's crazy
that we're here on this podcast

758
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,320
right now because I didn't
expect to be talking about this.

759
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,360
And I am no theologian.
And so if I'm saying anything

760
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:12,800
that's that's weirder, you know,
forgive me, but yeah, I'm just

761
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,280
learning and, and, and walking
through it myself.

762
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:24,480
And it's definitely, it's cool
to be able to do that alongside

763
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:28,520
your kids because they obviously
teach you things.

764
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,400
This Mike Stan really wants to
fall.

765
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,760
Yeah.
Just sit here.

766
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,120
There we go.
Yeah, man, and go ahead.

767
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Yeah, there's a line in in
Little Boy Blue, one of the

768
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,160
songs from the record that says,
like, you and I are both

769
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,760
learning to walk, you know, and
it was like I wrote it when he

770
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,400
was when he was learning to
walk.

771
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:59,040
And I was also like dealing with
a lot of my own stuff and, you

772
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,920
know, working through failure
and, and, you know, broken

773
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,320
relationships and stuff.
And so to find that commonality,

774
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:16,520
like with your own child and to
like feel like you're you're

775
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,080
learning alongside of them, you
know, is is a powerful thing.

776
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Yeah, yeah.
And I, that's probably some of

777
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:29,320
what circles my attention back
to it because I'm, you know, I'm

778
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,320
pretty comfortable with the
waywardness of myself, but I

779
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:38,080
also feel the weight of
providing the on roads for him,

780
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,560
for what he decides.
My son, if there is an honor

781
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,160
like I remember my off road, my
off road was, I can't remember.

782
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:53,200
It was in a Methodist Church I
believe.

783
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,440
And I was young, probably like
10 or something.

784
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,280
And it was Sunday school and we
we were watching these.

785
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,080
I'm trying to remember the name.
I think it was called Veggie

786
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:06,240
Tales.
And the.

787
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:07,640
Oh yeah.
Veggie Tales.

788
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,320
And I just remember like
cognitively just being like, why

789
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,880
am I even here?
And then I had a conversation

790
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,600
with my parents.
I was like that this isn't what

791
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,680
I want to do.
And and they similarly to what

792
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,200
I, I kind of plan for myself is
they were supportive of my

793
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,000
decision.
Like I said, I didn't want to go

794
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,040
anymore and they didn't make me
go, which I'm thankful for it.

795
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,840
Like they didn't force me to be
somewhere I didn't want to do.

796
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,720
But you know, the on road was
there if I wanted to take it.

797
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:41,400
And as it stands right now, his
on road will be through

798
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,560
conversation with me, which is
wayward, You know, it's it's,

799
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,120
it's wayward.
I pluck.

800
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,240
Peace better than Veggie Tales.
So I think I also, I mean, for

801
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,200
those of you who don't know
about Veggie Tales, this is also

802
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:54,680
a big part of my childhood, too.
It was a lot of Veggie Tales.

803
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Yeah.
Like Phil Vischer, the guy who

804
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:03,480
wrote a lot of the the program
material and a lot of voice

805
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,160
acting.
It was like his brainchild, you

806
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:09,840
know, was like, let's teach kids
about the Bible and about God

807
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,480
through this like little cartoon
show.

808
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,520
And it's like funny stuff.
And a lot of it's like good

809
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,320
stuff to learn.
But it's funny because he

810
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,400
actually has a podcast now
called The Holy Post.

811
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,680
I haven't listened to it in
forever, but I think he's sort

812
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,720
of like maybe half apologize for
some of the things that he did

813
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:33,160
on that show because he's like,
I realized I was teaching just

814
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:39,600
moralism instead of like
actually about following Christ,

815
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,960
which is what he was trying to
do.

816
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,160
So it's interesting.
I mean, it's not a bad show,

817
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:45,640
but.
The balancing between those two

818
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,160
things is fascinating to talk
about because that's another

819
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,080
thing that kind of pushed me
away in certain instances is the

820
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,120
kind of like the the hypocrite
type folk that, you know, say

821
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,080
one thing and do another thing.
And when you're 10 years old,

822
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480
dude, you're really perceptive
to that stuff.

823
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,400
That's a hard thing to that's I
mean, it's like 90% of people

824
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,560
that leave the church or find
themselves kind of in a, you

825
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,360
know, spot where they feel like
they've fallen away, like they

826
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,960
experienced some sort of
hypocritical thing.

827
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,080
And then it's easy, you know, to
point at somebody.

828
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,880
And I mean, doesn't you can just
go like this and point it

829
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,400
yourself, you know, and I think
that's the most important thing

830
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,800
to remember is like you can get
caught up in the failures of

831
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,840
others, you know, because we're
all like broken, you know,

832
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:50,240
imperfect people, like trying
our best to get better, you

833
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,920
know, and get back to right
relationship with God and with

834
00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:01,040
others.
And so, yeah, it's tough to see

835
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,680
when people fall.
And but I've I've had to just, I

836
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,320
remember that like, yeah, that's
me.

837
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:19,360
And like the, the, the church
should not be a place where that

838
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,240
you expect to find perfect
people.

839
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,280
It should be a hospital for the
sick, you know?

840
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:30,760
And so if you look at it like
that, I think it you can drop

841
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,600
some of those walls down and
kind of like, yeah, just look at

842
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,520
it in the right way, yeah.
Yeah, for sure.

843
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,440
Maybe this can be a fork in the
road that I think there's a

844
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,400
Jason conversation here.
One of the things that I picked

845
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,040
up from Melissa, who I chatted
with about this a couple times,

846
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:54,160
is in in this religion
specifically, one of the things

847
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,400
that resonated me with the
connection between like Food for

848
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,160
health and seemingly a lot of
the people's belief systems.

849
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,880
And just in our little
conversation, we're talking

850
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,440
about microplastics or yeah,
like, like.

851
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,320
Well, my wife and I are pretty
crunchy, so.

852
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,720
We're very crunchy too.
Yeah, super.

853
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,880
What are we with the granola
dads or whatever?

854
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,840
I wear that as a badge of honor,
man, because if it if it means

855
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,600
I'm trying to eat as little like
herbicides as I can and not have

856
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:25,960
plastic in my body and just try
to, you know, take vitamins,

857
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,400
just try to do things that make
sense.

858
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,080
It, it seemed like it and it
there's probably a little bit of

859
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,320
like bias or tunnel vision, more
like tunnel vision's probably

860
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,280
more right word in it because
like that's part of her work

861
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,360
too.
Is is like eating and and

862
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,720
restorative health and stuff
like that.

863
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:49,320
But anytime that something
entails that being a crunchy

864
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,680
person, it, it, it piques my
interest a little more than

865
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,600
other things.
It, it's not, you know, there's,

866
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,720
there's a, there's a
tangibleness to that that I can

867
00:53:59,720 --> 00:54:04,600
cling on to that I can say like,
OK, this aligns with, it makes

868
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,400
sense to me.
It aligns with the belief system

869
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,480
I I encompass.
And there probably is some tie

870
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:16,320
to like, you know, there's a lot
of cool research on the gut, the

871
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,240
connection between the gut and
the brain, yes.

872
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,440
And I don't know what it is, but
I guarantee like there is

873
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:31,080
whatever the creator was like.
There is a certain power doesn't

874
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,720
feel like the right word, but
there there's a, a deeper layer

875
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,480
to that that we can't understand
that we that we don't know as

876
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,720
far as like that the process of
what food does when it comes

877
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,520
into our body and what it turns
us into and, and how we work on

878
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,640
a day-to-day basis and through
life.

879
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,920
So that was one of the things
that kind of struck me.

880
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,600
But what are what are some of
your what are some of your

881
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,240
crunchy things that you do that
make you crunchy?

882
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,000
Oh man, you know, we're into
like raw milk and stuff, OK.

883
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:06,160
And you know, we try to eat
organic as much as we can and

884
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:07,440
you're.
Buying the black market raw

885
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,720
milk.
Yeah, behind.

886
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:13,720
I'm not telling you my story.
Yeah, anyway, maybe I shouldn't

887
00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:15,520
have said that.
Cut this part out of the

888
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,040
episode.
I hope they're not chasing down

889
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,440
raw milk drinkers, but baby.
There's better things to do.

890
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,320
Yeah, for sure do.
Anyway, yeah, we have our own

891
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,800
garden.
I mean, I grew up gardening.

892
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,920
My dad is a is a huge gardener
and really instilled that in me.

893
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:35,720
It's funny because I always been
like, he's retired, you know,

894
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,840
and he can like, just dink
around in his garden and make it

895
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,800
amazing.
And I'm like trying to work and

896
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,840
like raise kids and like release
music.

897
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,600
And still I'm like, I got to get
those seeds in the ground, you

898
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,240
know?
And like, I got to get out there

899
00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:51,880
and like, just the other day I
was out there with my son and I

900
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,040
have a neighbor who he's kind of
a collector and he has like all

901
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,320
this interesting stuff out in
the side of his yard that who

902
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,360
knows if he'll ever use.
So like sometimes I'm like, hey,

903
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,800
are you going to use that?
And he had like 2 old sliding

904
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,360
glass doors that were just like
leaning up against a tree.

905
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,760
And I'm like, can I have those
for my garden?

906
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,840
And he's like, yeah, take them.
So I made 2 cold frames like

907
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:19,720
where you can start seeds like
really early on in the spring

908
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,600
because you know during the day
sun heats it up and.

909
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,200
Like the greenhouse effect?
Right.

910
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:29,360
It's the greenhouse essentially.
So yeah, we do that this year.

911
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,440
We're looking to, I think grow a
lot of tomatoes, a lot of

912
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:37,280
Peppers, do some canning, do
some preservation.

913
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:40,520
So hopefully focus on like a few
things.

914
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,480
Well, one thing we do really
good is garlic, and I'm excited

915
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:48,320
about our garlic this year.
Planted 85 heads, which is the

916
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,520
most I've ever.
And I try to do more every year

917
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:55,080
because you save cloves from
last year's harvest for the next

918
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,440
year, which, you know, it's a
bummer because you don't get to

919
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:00,960
eat it all and you have to like
sit.

920
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,560
And it really it's about saving
the best ones.

921
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,160
Like the the biggest cloves are
going to give you the biggest

922
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:11,640
head.
So you set all those aside and,

923
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,040
and plant them in the fall and
then cover them with leaves.

924
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,560
And then they're already coming
up.

925
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:21,720
They're like this high.
So yeah, those are some crunchy

926
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,200
things.
We do good things, though.

927
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:30,800
I mean, it's all like just, it's
great to connect with the earth

928
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,440
and know where your food comes
from and it's therapeutic.

929
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,960
We're so.
Disconnected, get your hands in

930
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,600
the dirt and and grow some
seeds.

931
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,200
And it was just so special to
like be out there with my son.

932
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:47,080
And, you know, it takes
patience, of course, to watch

933
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,480
him plant seeds.
And he's only three, you know,

934
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,200
And I'm like, hold your hand
out.

935
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,160
And it's like, put him in there.
And they're like dropping all

936
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,400
over the place.
I'm like, no, no, no.

937
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,720
And then like, just put 1 here.
And then he puts it in.

938
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,360
And then I had like a measuring
stick and like, OK, the next one

939
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,840
right here and like, had him do
a few whole rows.

940
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,800
And I'm just so sweet, you know,
And I hope, I hope he, he grows

941
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:15,040
up having like fond memories of
that with me, just like I did

942
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,360
with my dad, so.
Absolutely.

943
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,760
Yeah, Yeah, My dad's a huge
gardener too.

944
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,600
He does like I think last year
he had like 150 tomato plants in

945
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,120
like wow every year towards the
end of the season.

946
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:27,840
That's a lot of tomatoes, man.
Does he sell them?

947
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:28,920
No.
No.

948
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,560
What does he do with them?
Gives them to people, they they

949
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,160
can a lot.
OK my my parents.

950
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,680
My parents are really good at
that type of stuff, like

951
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:41,520
sustenance living.
They can a bunch of different

952
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,280
things.
So my mom will make like tomato

953
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,000
juice, red sauce, just different
things that you can salsa.

954
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,560
Yeah.
Yeah.

955
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,400
And he still has far too many
for them to use.

956
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,800
So they end up giving 5 gallon
buckets to people.

957
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,680
And so he just enjoys his
garden.

958
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,160
I I think it's kind of, it's one
of his like retreat zones, you

959
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:06,720
know, and to me, wedding a
garden is not a retreat, but I

960
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,680
think sometimes maybe it's that
for him.

961
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,920
Yeah.
But man, 80�� in August and

962
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,680
you're plucking out leaves from
the garden.

963
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,480
That's a chore.
Yeah, that's not not it.

964
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,480
But yeah, he's got 2 massive
gardens.

965
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,920
I've I've delved my toes in the
garden water a couple times.

966
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,600
I was excited when we bought our
last house.

967
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,760
There's a perfect area that
actually the people that used to

968
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:35,440
own it had like this big fenced
in in ground garden that was

969
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,680
probably 20 by 30.
Like it was pretty good size and

970
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:43,360
the then there was one very
short term owner in between US

971
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:47,280
and she took down most of it,
most of the like fencing.

972
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,440
So I was like, I'll just put in
a few garden boxes and kind of

973
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,520
start small and try not to Cause
the first time I did a garden, I

974
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,920
planned this massive garden that
ended up becoming overgrown with

975
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,320
weeds because I was too busy and
it just wasn't successful.

976
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,880
So I was like, I'm going to do
this a little bit more

977
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,840
intentionally.
I buy started with three garden

978
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,440
boxes.
And then it just got ravaged by

979
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:13,400
deer, so.
That's like the worst blow ever

980
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,800
is things eating what you've
worked so hard.

981
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,360
Oh.
Dude, I had these beautiful

982
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,880
tomatoes and then I just came
out the next day and like plants

983
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,680
and fruits were gone.
But I got a really cool idea

984
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:28,440
from another friend of ours,
like this PVC Dome type thing

985
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,600
that I can build for my garden
boxes that I'll probably do

986
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,040
eventually, I just haven't done
it yet.

987
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:33,520
Kind of like a little hoop
house.

988
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,920
Yeah, similar.
Yeah, think about that.

989
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,800
Just in, in the the gaps are big
enough to let sunshine through,

990
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,560
but it's just that the deer
can't stick its head through to

991
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:43,720
to get it.
Interesting.

992
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:49,120
So yeah, it interests me.
I like the concept of something

993
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,160
you brought up of being closer
to our food.

994
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,440
We're so far from our food that
like, I, I think that's a, you

995
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,200
know, for a lot of reasons.
That's a really important thing

996
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:00,240
to learn as a kid.
Yes, is where our food comes

997
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,480
from.
I've had some fruitful

998
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:02,960
discussions over the years with
folks.

999
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:05,120
I'm a big hunter too.
Same same here.

1000
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:08,640
Yeah, I've had some fruitful
discussions about people who eat

1001
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,000
meat but are like, I can't
believe you can do that.

1002
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:12,840
And I'm like, well, you kind of
do it too.

1003
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,600
You just don't pull the trigger.
Yeah.

1004
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,560
You know, it's, it's different.
Yeah.

1005
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,800
So I don't know that that's a
point of emphasis for me to at

1006
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,240
least show the process.
Another thing we do is make

1007
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:26,440
Maple syrup.
So my dad does that, and I did

1008
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,040
it last year for the first time,
like on my own.

1009
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:30,600
Nice.
On very small scale.

1010
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:32,040
OK, you know how.
Many taps did you put in?

1011
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:34,320
Do you remember?
Oh, I think we had like 7 or 8,

1012
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,400
OK, you know, And so I don't
know how much I made you.

1013
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,400
Probably got a gallon or so A.
Gallon.

1014
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:43,200
Yeah, something like that.
And it, we boiled it too long

1015
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,400
and it got like molasses.
It was awesome.

1016
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,240
I mean, candy, it was pretty
good.

1017
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,280
Nobody else really liked it but
me, so I ate a lot of it.

1018
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,280
A little trick if there's snow
on the ground.

1019
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,160
I've never actually done this,
but I've had a couple of

1020
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,240
different people tell me it.
If you go too far on stuff and

1021
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:00,360
you or you want like a different
type of Maple product and

1022
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,720
there's snow on the ground, you
go too far.

1023
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,880
And if you dump it in the snow,
it turns into like a taffy, like

1024
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,640
a Maple taffy that people do
intentionally.

1025
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,640
Again, never done it.
Don't take my advice.

1026
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,800
And if it goes bad, you don't
blame me.

1027
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,920
But it's something that I've
heard people do.

1028
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:22,200
Yeah, we have our our scenario
has grown bigger than I thought

1029
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,000
it would.
We do like 200 taps now.

1030
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:28,640
Wow, I've been in hardcore.
Well, comparatively, I guess

1031
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,480
it's like anything else.
If you want to take the next

1032
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,320
jump, like we bought a big
boiling machine boiling.

1033
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:39,640
And I've actually been trying to
convince my pops now that I'm in

1034
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:42,920
a busy season of life that I
don't have quite, you know, I'm

1035
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,440
two hands that aren't there all
as much now.

1036
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,560
So I tried to get him to back it
down, but it's another thing he

1037
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:53,640
enjoys and I think this year he
he bore the brunt of it.

1038
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,800
He did 80% of the work himself
and it's a labor of love as you

1039
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:02,160
know it is, especially with the
big snowstorm we had trucking

1040
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,800
through knee deep snow.
Oh my goodness.

1041
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,800
We gather in buckets and stuff.
Snowmageddon.

1042
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,760
Yeah, it was wild.
Wild.

1043
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,240
We had to take care of our
neighbors eggs.

1044
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,400
That's another thing we do.
We have chickens, OK, but our

1045
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,040
neighbors also have chickens.
There's a lot of chickens around

1046
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:20,480
our house and which my 3 year
old loves he runs around and

1047
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:25,480
chases those things everywhere.
But yeah, bringing water,

1048
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,120
checking on them, food, egg
collecting everyday walking

1049
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:34,240
through like, I mean the drifts
were like 36 inches, you know,

1050
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,200
that's really deep.
So, yeah, yeah, it's interesting

1051
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,960
too, because there's like with
the gardening and even with the

1052
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,080
hunting, like a lot of that
makes its way into my music and

1053
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:50,120
writing process to like, there's
a song that I released called

1054
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,680
Overgrown, which is specifically
about like an overgrown garden.

1055
01:03:55,960 --> 01:04:00,320
But that being like your own
heart, you know, and the time

1056
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,200
and the care that it takes to
like go weed it out and make

1057
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,640
sure that like you're bearing
the fruit that you should be,

1058
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,840
you know, and it's, you're not
getting squelched by by things

1059
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,400
that you don't want in your
heart.

1060
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,440
And so that's not on the new
record, but you can go listen to

1061
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,480
it.
It's called Overgrown.

1062
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,280
And then, yeah, grew up hunting
with my dad every year.

1063
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:32,760
So that that was a huge, like,
learning experience for me.

1064
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:40,080
I think it was really good to
learn like not only like firearm

1065
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:46,880
safety, but like respect for
like animals and you know, and

1066
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,360
again, where your food comes
from.

1067
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,040
I mean, we'd bring that deer
home and my dad would process it

1068
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,720
all himself.
Like we'd have like legs of deer

1069
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:56,760
on the counter and like hanging
in the garage and all that.

1070
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,280
So I haven't gotten to that
point myself personally, but we

1071
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,600
I try to go with him every year
if I can.

1072
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,960
And there's actually a song on
the on this new record called

1073
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,080
Chickadee, which I wrote while
sitting in my tree stand.

1074
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:20,240
So I keep a little bird feeder
next to me for entertainment

1075
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,480
while I'm sitting up there
freezing.

1076
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:27,720
And, you know, you sit still
enough with sunflower seeds in

1077
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,600
your hand and you got birds
landing all over, especially

1078
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:33,840
chickadees.
Yeah, so friendly land on your

1079
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:35,480
hand.
They land on my knees on my

1080
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,000
head.
I mean, it's fun.

1081
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:42,160
So.
So yeah, that's a tune from it

1082
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,280
and kind of a just a goofy
aside.

1083
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,800
And you'll probably understand
this because you're a hunter in

1084
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,480
Wisconsin person.
Any anybody out there who's

1085
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,800
listening, who has any
connection to like Northern

1086
01:05:54,800 --> 01:06:01,440
Wisconsin or like Upper Michigan
Yooper Society this morning, it

1087
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,640
made me think of it because it's
like it was sleeting and ice was

1088
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:11,760
on everything and I was like
hooking up my trailer and like

1089
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,160
just messing around outside.
And you guys, you know the

1090
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:19,120
Yoopers, the band.
Yeah.

1091
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:20,840
Oh yeah.
Yeah, like the second week of

1092
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:21,480
deer camp.
Yeah.

1093
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,520
Absolutely.
So there's this every year when

1094
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:27,200
we'd go up to the hunting camp,
my dad and I would have to put

1095
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:31,840
in the cassette tape of the
Yoopers culture shock album.

1096
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:37,880
And on that help, there is a
like a fake radio show

1097
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,640
announcement thing.
It's called talk Time.

1098
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:46,200
And it's the the announcers
like, you know, hey, welcome to

1099
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,520
talk time.
He's like, oh, what a crappy,

1100
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:52,480
miserable, lousy day out there.
You know, I was, I got to get

1101
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:58,000
the accent right.
He's like my water pipes froze

1102
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:01,160
and you know, I had to go to the
store to get some elbows and

1103
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,000
unions.
And so I jumped in the Plymouth.

1104
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:04,520
But then on the way I went in
the ditch.

1105
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,000
So I had to go to the go to the
bar and get the wife and, and

1106
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,880
she had to come and then we went
in the ditch with the Chevy.

1107
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:16,840
And then anyway, it never, it
never did get those water pipes

1108
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,680
fixed anyways.
Like, all right, you got

1109
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,880
anything to buy, sell or trade
and it goes into the next little

1110
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,480
thing.
And so I was like living out my

1111
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:24,720
own version of that this
morning.

1112
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,600
I was like, I'm hooking up my
trailer and ice is falling.

1113
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,560
And, you know, anyway, pretty
funny.

1114
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,640
That's so funny.
Shout out to the Yoopers.

1115
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:39,440
So, random fun fact, I hosted a
show in the UP called Telephone

1116
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,000
Time for seven years.
No way.

1117
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:45,560
I'm 99% sure it was the
inspiration for that song.

1118
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,800
Really.
Yeah, it almost had to be when I

1119
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,680
worked there.
The one of the adages, what it

1120
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,880
was, it was the longest running
talk show in the country.

1121
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,080
It is called Telephone Time and
I did it for like 7 years and

1122
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,320
that was one of the first things
I thought of.

1123
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,240
Like I had never listened really
before I took the job.

1124
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:08,280
Like they offered me the job and
then I listened a few times and

1125
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,640
that was the first thing I
thought it was the Yooper song

1126
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:15,960
about that and it almost has to
be the inspiration for it.

1127
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,040
But I've never like come across
the Yoopers.

1128
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,160
I don't know.
I never had the motivation to

1129
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,200
ask or anything.
But.

1130
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:29,040
Super funny, man, I there's
there's a lot of pieces I miss

1131
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,600
about UP culture when because I
lived up there for a long time

1132
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:37,120
and there's AI don't know there.
It's a different way of life,

1133
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,040
man.
They're unique folks and and

1134
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:44,800
that song is got is definitely
representative of a lot of the

1135
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,160
parts that it is.
Yeah, for sure.

1136
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:51,160
Yeah.
I mean, at our deer camp, there

1137
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,240
was no beer.
So it was, it was a little bit

1138
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:58,880
of a more pure experience for
me, but, you know, but it was

1139
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:04,520
still fun to like, you know,
just embrace that culture and,

1140
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:10,800
you know, go to the go to the
Saxon pub for fish fry on Friday

1141
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,840
night before opening day and,
you know, talk to all the

1142
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:18,120
hunters.
And yeah, it's fun.

1143
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:21,760
Both my parents grew up up
there, one in Ironwood, one in

1144
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,960
Saxon.
And so I'd all my, I'm like I

1145
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,040
said about like superior, we'd
go up there every summer to

1146
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,920
visit family and spend time up
there.

1147
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:34,160
And my mom's dad, he was a huge
Maple syrup guy.

1148
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:39,120
He made lots of Maple syrup.
And so her at her childhood

1149
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,720
home, there's a little falling
down building way up in the

1150
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,520
woods now that's called the SAP
camp.

1151
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,000
And that's where he had the
boiler and did all his all his

1152
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,920
stuff.
And there's no fancy piping and

1153
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:52,720
tubing.
Then it was just all walk in

1154
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,200
with buckets, metal buckets.
Yeah.

1155
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:03,640
So, yeah, it's, it's really
special to see like just the way

1156
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:11,440
that all the different facets of
my life, you know, and the

1157
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:17,400
people who have invested in me
and carried me along, like have

1158
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:19,880
and it made their way into my
music.

1159
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:26,040
And yeah, it's, it's a really
special life.

1160
01:10:26,440 --> 01:10:27,880
Yeah, yeah.
It is.

1161
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,520
Do you think the like the best
songwriters that I know and love

1162
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:40,760
and enjoy seem to have like this
ability to reflect on and see

1163
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,640
life from different angles,
similarly to this conversation,

1164
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:45,160
do you think that comes natural
to you?

1165
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,680
Is it something you've worked
on?

1166
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,480
How do you consistently remind
yourself to look at life through

1167
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:57,160
that lens, of telling a story
with it?

1168
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,280
You know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, it's tough.

1169
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,560
I feel like I go through
different seasons of, you know,

1170
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:11,400
creativity and, you know, having
bandwidth to, like, invest in

1171
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:13,040
it.
You know, there are times we're

1172
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,360
not like be in my notes app way
more or like carry a actual pen

1173
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:21,720
and paper with me and like, you
know, try to be intentional to

1174
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:26,440
like be looking around and
observing and like taking note

1175
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:28,160
of the things I see and
experience.

1176
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,280
Do you find when you do that
though, it comes less, do you

1177
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,680
think when you when you try to
make it happen?

1178
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,240
It depends.
There have been times where,

1179
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,840
like, I'm intentional about it
and you put in the work and you,

1180
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:44,160
you know, try to write something
everyday and, you know,

1181
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,440
eventually you come on something
that sticks and that you can

1182
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,880
develop.
But yeah, I think some of the

1183
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:55,480
best songs actually have sort of
just, you know, fallen out of

1184
01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:57,040
the sky, if you will.
Yeah.

1185
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,360
You know, And they feel like, it
feels like this holy like moment

1186
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,640
where you're like, is the song
even mine, you know?

1187
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:04,640
Delivered it to you.
Yeah.

1188
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,720
And I would, I could say that
about one of the recent singles

1189
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,040
for the record that I just put
out called Janet.

1190
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:14,560
It's in do.
It this morning.

1191
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,800
Oh, OK.
Yeah, it's in honor of a late

1192
01:12:18,520 --> 01:12:24,880
aunt of mine was my mom's sister
and, yeah, left the world too

1193
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,320
soon, you know, at least from
our point of view.

1194
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:35,440
And but I, I've grown up around,
you know, my cousins and my

1195
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,600
uncle who, you know, though they
though they experienced such

1196
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:46,080
devastating loss, have like been
such beautiful, like shining

1197
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:52,200
lights in my life of, you know,
steadfast faith and, you know,

1198
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:58,840
resilience and hope, you know.
And so, yeah, that song started

1199
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:07,160
as a, as just an idea totally
disconnected from from her and

1200
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:13,800
from that whole story.
And then I just all of a sudden

1201
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,040
realized that like, what I was
writing about was her.

1202
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,560
And like, you know, so it wasn't
something that I tried to do or

1203
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,400
tried to manufacture.
And I think there's a lot of

1204
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:27,320
music these days that you can
tell when it's manufactured and

1205
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,840
then you can tell when a song is
like really special.

1206
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:36,640
And it comes from this place of
just, you know, experience or,

1207
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:47,720
or loss or, you know, learning.
And so, yeah, I, you know, like

1208
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,520
I said, go through different
seasons, try to try my best to

1209
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:53,400
be a writer, you know, whatever
that means.

1210
01:13:53,400 --> 01:14:01,960
And and also to take note of
musical ideas apart from lyrical

1211
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:07,200
as well, has been important for
me too, to just keep a audio

1212
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:10,520
library of like whenever I
stumble upon something on the

1213
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,120
guitar or on the piano, which
are kind of the two places I

1214
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:18,880
write mostly to just stash it
away and and then go back on a

1215
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:22,360
different day when I'm totally
in a different mindset or a

1216
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:26,360
different world and listen to
it.

1217
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:31,240
And then maybe something
connects or like you've got the

1218
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:33,680
lyrics and you've got the music
and then you try to connect

1219
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,920
them.
So that's a little bit of my

1220
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,600
process, I guess.
But yeah, can be different for

1221
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:41,680
different writers, I know.
I'm sure it is.

1222
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:43,160
I'm sure it's different for
everybody.

1223
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,280
Yeah.
Where does the, where do like

1224
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,280
the, the funk undertones of your
music come from?

1225
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,080
I I love that piece of your
music.

1226
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,400
Is that the part of your like
what is that what you listen to

1227
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:57,600
or where does that come from?
Yeah, that's a good question.

1228
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,840
I feel like my, I mean, growing
up, like I said, I grew up in a,

1229
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:05,000
you know, conservative Christian
house.

1230
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,000
And most of the time it was like
the radio was on the little

1231
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,120
radio that's mounted to the
bottom of the cabinet in the

1232
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,200
kitchen, you know, the little
dial that was on playing like

1233
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,400
whatever gospel or like
Christian station and, you know,

1234
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:21,520
and then church.
So I was pretty immersed in that

1235
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,160
world.
And, you know, I had, I have

1236
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,680
four older sisters and they were
all involved in choirs and, you

1237
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,760
know, musicals.
And so there was kind of that I

1238
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:37,400
watched them, you know, kind of
lived through them doing that

1239
01:15:37,480 --> 01:15:44,320
growing up.
And, and then when I was

1240
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,840
probably 10 or 11, I discovered
Guitar Hero and I started

1241
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,280
playing Guitar Hero and like,
you know, Led Zeppelin and all

1242
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,560
these like classic rock bands,
like we're introduced.

1243
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,160
It's funny that I, that's how I
kind of came across them.

1244
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,840
I would like to say that I grew
up like listening to my parents

1245
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,720
record collection, but they,
their collection was, you know,

1246
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,120
not curated and was very
eclectic and just weird, you

1247
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:16,080
know, it like just random stuff,
you know, and they weren't big

1248
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,000
like music junkies or anything
like that.

1249
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,280
It was very like church music
and gospel music was kind of

1250
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:23,800
like the thing in the house.
So.

1251
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:32,440
But yeah, when I, when I was
10/11/12 started playing, well,

1252
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,520
I grew up doing piano lessons,
kind of being forced to do piano

1253
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:41,760
and didn't really love that.
But yeah, started doing guitar

1254
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:48,200
and drums like around that
10/11/12 range and, and actually

1255
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:51,160
started writing around then too.
And it the kind of the catalyst

1256
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,280
for that was getting really
sick.

1257
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:59,960
Actually, I dealt with Crohn's
disease for quite some time.

1258
01:17:00,440 --> 01:17:04,960
And especially during that like
into middle school, high school

1259
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,480
period was just rough, like a
really rough time of life for me

1260
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,680
and was really unwell for a long
time and in and out of hospitals

1261
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:19,840
and tons of medications.
And, you know, that was the

1262
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,600
opposite of crunchy time in my
life.

1263
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,840
Like, I was shot up with so
much, you know, artificial,

1264
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:31,480
like, you know, medication stuff
and whatever my body is probably

1265
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:37,560
just a walking cocktail of meds.
Hopefully I've purged some of

1266
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:41,680
that out at this point.
But I've been doing well and and

1267
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:46,880
better, thank God.
But yeah, just like through that

1268
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,560
time of difficulty and trial,
just writing and expressing

1269
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:55,280
myself and working through
those, through those things on

1270
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,160
an instrument became really big
for me.

1271
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:02,360
Ended up going to music school,
played in jazz.

1272
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,200
And so I started listening to
like, you know, Sonny Rollins

1273
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:09,480
and Coltrane and all the big
boppers, you know, and jazz.

1274
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:11,640
And so I think that jazz
influence really kind of and

1275
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:18,400
funk started to come in there
and, you know, and then you get

1276
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,920
your first MP3 player or
whatever.

1277
01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:26,600
I think my first MP3 player was
when I was, you know, probably

1278
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,680
12 or something.
My sister gave it to me and it

1279
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,880
had a bunch of music on it
already, so I just kind of

1280
01:18:31,880 --> 01:18:33,400
listened to whatever was on
there.

1281
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:43,240
And so, yeah, just a mash up of
influences, I suppose, and the

1282
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,480
jazz and the funk probably comes
from that.

1283
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:51,000
That's early college years of
playing in playing jazz bands

1284
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,160
and stuff like that.
Cool.

1285
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,840
I think it's it's one of the
pieces that it's interesting

1286
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,000
because the first time I saw
you, the story that I told to

1287
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,560
kick off the show, that was
singer-songwriter acoustic style

1288
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,160
like I didn't get any of those
notes like those hints there.

1289
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,200
But then when I listen to your
album music, I was like, Dang,

1290
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:10,640
this has got a little funk
about.

1291
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,600
I'm always kind of walking the
line between that, that that

1292
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:19,040
singer-songwriter like acoustic
folk world and then the more

1293
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:27,400
like, you know, I don't know,
like soul funk world, just more

1294
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:32,040
groove based, I guess.
Because it, yeah, it's hard to

1295
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:37,160
know like what to call myself
genre wise.

1296
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,920
I'm a singer-songwriter, but
that's that's pretty nebulous.

1297
01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:42,880
Like it's like, what does that
sound like?

1298
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,840
You know, and.
That's a good thing though,

1299
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,320
dude.
Yeah, it's always tough to like,

1300
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,040
compare yourself to everyone
wants to know, like what you

1301
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,240
sound like, what is your music
like?

1302
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,600
But.
Just say it sounds like me.

1303
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:57,360
Yeah, sounds like me.
Listen to it.

1304
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:04,960
Yeah, there's a yeah.
And sometimes that I know that

1305
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:07,600
bugs people like when they are
creatives, when they get asked

1306
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,040
to like compare themselves to
other people or whatever.

1307
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,520
But, you know, there's nothing
new under the sun.

1308
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,760
I just saw like recycled and
yeah, just.

1309
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:19,680
Putting things together in a new
way.

1310
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:23,200
And so that's, I think the
beauty of of writing and

1311
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:28,720
creating pieces of music as you
get to cherry pick from so many

1312
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:34,040
great artists and creatives and
make it your own, you know?

1313
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:38,880
So, yeah.
Four older sisters that were in

1314
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,520
choirs.
That way you can sing falsetto.

1315
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:41,920
So good.
Probably.

1316
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:47,960
I don't know if it was because
of them or what I feel like I

1317
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:52,320
remember getting into singing
early, even before my voice

1318
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,800
changed, you know, so I was like
singing in church, singing this

1319
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:00,760
thing, that and very high voice,
you know, just little boy voice.

1320
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,960
And I remember being like so
bummed when it changed.

1321
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:08,600
When I like finally hit and it
finally changed, I was like, I

1322
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:13,520
can't do this anymore.
So I had to like relearn, you

1323
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,600
know, how to sing.
And I'd already like, started

1324
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,720
writing songs and I was like, I
had to change all the keys to my

1325
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:24,680
songs now and all that stuff.
And so, yeah, I don't know the

1326
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:28,640
the falsetto thing, I've always
kind of had that like that like

1327
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:33,240
ability to sort of like break
into that like yodel space.

1328
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:38,360
I find it incredibly difficult.
And when I was in in music

1329
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,920
school, I was in applied voice.
And so I was like doing more,

1330
01:21:42,200 --> 01:21:48,240
you know, classical voice stuff
and, you know, solos and

1331
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:51,920
ensembles and things.
And I was, they were like really

1332
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,480
trying to challenge me to like
sing in a certain way and like

1333
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:58,920
find this middle voice which was
like this, this vocal space

1334
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:02,840
between your chest voice, which
is your talking voice and then

1335
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,160
your, you know, your falsetto.
And I could just, I could never

1336
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:11,200
like, like figure it out, like,
or like really feel comfortable

1337
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:15,800
with it.
And so I just kind of do my own

1338
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:17,800
thing, but.
It works, dude.

1339
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:21,000
Yeah, it works.
I find it incredibly difficult.

1340
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:25,720
I don't know, I think it's a
hard thing to do and I'm nowhere

1341
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,200
near as proficient or like
educated as you in the music

1342
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:35,240
realm.
But just when I, when I try, I'm

1343
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:36,480
wearing a Tyler chiller shirt
today.

1344
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:40,400
I love Tyler and and he'll in
some of his songs, I'll catch

1345
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,360
myself trying to mimic that
country thing of that, you know,

1346
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,320
where it's like you branch in
the yodel space.

1347
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,360
It's kind of like that.
It's that it, it brings you

1348
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,080
higher and I just, I don't know,
I never feel like I do it

1349
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:57,720
justice when I when I play him.
It's tough to do.

1350
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,560
Yeah.
Another angle I want to go here,

1351
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,840
there's something you brought up
that I'm I'm kicking the tires

1352
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:05,040
on and it's going to meld a
bunch of stuff we've talked

1353
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,080
about.
And you said you were kind of

1354
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,480
forced to play piano and you
didn't really love it.

1355
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:19,040
I am navigating the line between
like, you know, forecasting my

1356
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,760
life and being a dad.
I'm navigating the line between

1357
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:28,280
the value of that and like maybe
not force, but incentivizing in

1358
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:30,520
different ways music and
learning it.

1359
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,800
And right now, 4 1/2, I bought
my dude, a little dude, this

1360
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,960
three string guitar by this
company called Luke.

1361
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,400
It's super cool.
I've, I've seen it.

1362
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:39,080
You've seen it.
Yeah.

1363
01:23:39,080 --> 01:23:40,200
The Luke guitar.
Yeah.

1364
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,000
And they have the Luke piano
too.

1365
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:43,040
Do they really?
Yeah.

1366
01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:45,400
Oh, I didn't see that.
Yeah, I'm.

1367
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,720
Oh, sidebar.
He might be more interested in

1368
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:49,960
that.
I might have to check that out

1369
01:23:50,360 --> 01:23:54,720
because as of now he's been he's
been singing a lot, which is

1370
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,760
great to see.
Like he's and very, very this

1371
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:02,240
this morning he was singing a
song by Fantasia Barrino.

1372
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:05,560
My wife likes R&B.
So he was singing a song by

1373
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,280
Fantasia and it's funny. 4 1/2
like he he can already like he

1374
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,120
understands melody and he tries
to mimic it and stuff.

1375
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,400
It's pretty cool to see.
Like discernible pitch and like,

1376
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:18,680
yeah, that's great.
It's great, Yeah.

1377
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,920
It gives me a little pause
because I am completely

1378
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,440
untrained.
So, like, he listens to me play

1379
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:27,280
guitar and sing all the time and
I don't want to show him bad

1380
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,480
habits and lessons.
But I guess my, where I'm trying

1381
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:38,800
to get to is I, I want to know,
like, more about your experience

1382
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:41,840
in that being forced to do
something that you didn't want

1383
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:43,240
to do at the time.
But then it's interesting

1384
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,960
because you ended going to music
school, like going to college

1385
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:46,920
for music.
Yeah.

1386
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,600
So what was that path, dude?
Did you ever hold any, any

1387
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,680
animosity for it?
Did it make you not want to do

1388
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,040
it at times or what Did How did
that work?

1389
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,200
Yeah.
I mean, I probably, I don't

1390
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,040
know, probably started when I
was like, you know, 5 or 6 or

1391
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,160
something like that.
Oh Dang, super young too.

1392
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:09,360
Maybe it was more like 6.
Yeah, just took lessons.

1393
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:15,560
And I think it was like the John
Thompson method, the red, red

1394
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:21,520
and white piano books.
And yeah, it was just a lot of

1395
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:28,400
like obviously sight reading and
like dumbed down versions of

1396
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:33,960
classical songs and things.
And I remember there was 1 and

1397
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:39,560
I, yeah, just putting in the
practice, going home, working on

1398
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,920
it.
Never something I wanted to do.

1399
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,200
I just wanted to play or draw.
I was very into art like, you

1400
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:50,560
know, and drawing and painting
and more so than music for like

1401
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:56,600
a long time of my younger years.
And I remember at one point my

1402
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,560
mom tried to like, pay me a
dollar to like play the piano or

1403
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:01,600
like do my piano practice or
whatever.

1404
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,840
But it was a very like, you
know, you, you put in the

1405
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,480
practice and you go back to
lessons and if you can play it

1406
01:26:09,480 --> 01:26:13,040
through at a certain tempo and
certain proficiency, then you

1407
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,320
get a star or a sticker, you
know, and then you move to the

1408
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,560
next thing.
And that just kind of became

1409
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:23,040
like very like routine.
And I just, I don't know, I

1410
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,960
didn't love it.
And then I remember I had a

1411
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:32,840
substitute teacher who like came
in and started like teaching me

1412
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:36,000
a little bit of music theory.
I remember going home being like

1413
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,120
mom, like I had this new teacher
and she's a substitute and she

1414
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:44,120
taught me about like this chord
and how it goes to this chord.

1415
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:48,240
And so like unlocked something
of like, oh, there's a whole

1416
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,360
language that we can use to
actually create.

1417
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:53,040
We don't just have to like
reinterpret what other people

1418
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,840
have written.
We can make our own stuff.

1419
01:26:55,360 --> 01:27:00,360
So that I think resonated with
me as a creative.

1420
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:05,680
You know, I think like I just
always gravitated toward making

1421
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,720
things and drawing things and
wanting to create beauty, you

1422
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:22,160
know, So I, I at the time I was
given a drum set by a guy in our

1423
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:29,120
church who shout out to Jim for
just like being such a huge

1424
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:34,400
encouragement in my life.
And I mean, he had a band.

1425
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,280
His sons were in his band.
They were a rock band and they

1426
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:44,200
were so cool, you know, and, and
Jim can totally can totally

1427
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:46,120
shred.
Played a Paul Reed Smith and was

1428
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:51,200
like, you know, had this band
called one way ticket and gave

1429
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:54,640
me this old drum set and I was
like, mom, I really want to take

1430
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,680
drum lessons.
Like, or maybe I had wanted to

1431
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,680
take drum lessons 1st and was
like practicing on couch

1432
01:28:01,680 --> 01:28:03,640
cushions.
I can't remember what it was,

1433
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,840
but he knew that and he was
like, Oh, I'm going to help him

1434
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,200
out.
And my first drums were actually

1435
01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,800
given to me by my
brother-in-law, And he gave me a

1436
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:18,680
set of Latin drums, timbales,
which are like these steel, you

1437
01:28:18,680 --> 01:28:20,920
know, one head on the top, open
on the bottom.

1438
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:23,320
And usually there's a cowbell in
between.

1439
01:28:23,320 --> 01:28:27,040
And anyway, so he gave me those.
And that's kind of where I

1440
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,120
started and then moved down to
the drum set.

1441
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:33,240
And my mom was like, OK, you can
take drum lessons.

1442
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,840
And so I did about a year of
drum lessons.

1443
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:38,640
And that was the time that I,
like, started getting really

1444
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:39,920
sick.
And then I had to stop doing

1445
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,400
lessons.
And so then I kind of was on my

1446
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:46,600
own after that and picked up
guitar and mandolin.

1447
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,360
I had an uncle who played, Man.
Oh, that's another side of my

1448
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,280
musical background is one side
of my family is really into

1449
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:53,800
bluegrass.
I was going to say, you got some

1450
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:55,400
bluegrass roots too.
Yeah, yeah.

1451
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:59,800
So like mandolins, fiddles, you
know, guitars and banjos, like

1452
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:02,920
all that was was big for them.
It was always fun when we could

1453
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,480
get together with them and jam.
And, you know, they knew all

1454
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:08,880
these fiddle tunes by heart that
I had like, no idea.

1455
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,240
Like, what are we doing, you
know, and everyone just like

1456
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:15,760
memorized these really fast,
like cool songs and.

1457
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,240
But yeah, I think I, there's
definitely a balance of, you

1458
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:28,920
know, wanting to, like, you want
to expose your kid to certain

1459
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,560
things and give him certain
experiences.

1460
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:38,880
And, you know, my hope is that
he would just find what he loves

1461
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:43,520
and is passionate about and can
and can do that and do it well.

1462
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:51,080
And yeah, maybe that's in music,
maybe it's not, but I think

1463
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:54,480
piano's a great foundation.
And I think it's always a good

1464
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:59,280
thing to, to at least get
exposed to and, and, and try for

1465
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:03,840
a while because it's such a good
foundation for learning theory

1466
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,280
and learning music.
Because it's very like visually

1467
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:11,440
laid out in a, like, you know,
with the guitar, it's a little

1468
01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:18,840
different because you've got 6
strings and you've got like, you

1469
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:22,920
know, 5-4 or five different
places you can play the same

1470
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,360
note, you know, But on the
piano, it's like middle C is

1471
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,720
middle C and it's not moving.
And so it's very easy to like

1472
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:34,800
learn about intervals and chords
and scales and things because

1473
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,840
it's like very visual.
And I think that's big for a

1474
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:39,960
young person.
Yeah.

1475
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,160
You know he's just learning.
So it sounds like you were

1476
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:44,760
interested in the end goal.
You did enjoy the art.

1477
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,840
It was just the specific process
with that one you were going

1478
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:48,400
through.
Yeah.

1479
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,560
I didn't jive with where with
where you were at.

1480
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,160
Yeah, and that is an interesting
thing about guitar.

1481
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,680
That's exactly where I'm at.
It like that opens the door to a

1482
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,200
higher ceiling.
Like you can become very

1483
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,280
proficient on the guitar knowing
no theory right First position

1484
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,880
chords and you can play
virtually anything.

1485
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,960
Paul McCartney can't read music?
Yeah.

1486
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:10,520
You know, yeah, that's in,
that's crazy to think about, you

1487
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:17,160
know, and but it I'd also like,
he's a very unique specimen,

1488
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,240
right?
Where a lot of the vast majority

1489
01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:24,440
of people are capped by that,
where it's like, OK, I can't

1490
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:27,560
jump on the stage with any band
playing anytime and just come

1491
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,960
in.
I have to know what I'm playing

1492
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,800
and I have to know kind of what
the chord structure is and what

1493
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,760
we're doing.
Whereas like people who know

1494
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:37,720
that side of it, and often times
it is people that started with

1495
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:41,040
piano or have piano in their
background, then it turns into

1496
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,320
the language you mentioned and
it's just like, oh, you're just

1497
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,680
talking through instruments.
It's where I don't talk through

1498
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,920
instruments.
It's an accompaniment to my

1499
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,680
words.
Sure, You know what I mean?

1500
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:51,720
It's a that's two whole
different ball games.

1501
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:55,640
Yeah, and I think the biggest
thing for me was like, you know,

1502
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,680
growing up in church and, and
starting to play in bands in

1503
01:31:58,680 --> 01:32:00,240
church.
So I had to like start to like

1504
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:05,920
interact with other musicians
and, you know, learn when to not

1505
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,560
play and learn when it was my
time.

1506
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:13,480
And so that's really important.
And then, you know, and then all

1507
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:19,040
the jazz and you know, music
that I did in, in college was,

1508
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:24,840
was great for that too.
And just learning our, our jazz

1509
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:31,680
ensemble that I was in was very
improvisation based, which I

1510
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:35,000
loved.
You know, it wasn't like, let's

1511
01:32:35,000 --> 01:32:36,680
just reproduce these jazz
standards.

1512
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:42,120
It was let's play the, let's
play the head or the melody or

1513
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:46,680
the, the, you know, the hook of
the song.

1514
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:50,160
And then everyone gets a chance
to express themselves and play a

1515
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,760
solo.
And then so you have to learn

1516
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:56,640
the form, you know, which is a
repeating structure and you have

1517
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,360
to learn that.
And then where you all fit

1518
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,520
harmonically in that let people
have their space and, and then,

1519
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:09,960
and then you have to learn the,
the scales and the notes that

1520
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:14,960
work within that structure.
And then how to navigate those

1521
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:21,320
in a way that you decide, you
know, and how to kind of like

1522
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:28,960
not just play for the sake of
playing or making noise, but

1523
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,680
like, how do I say something,
you know, through what I'm

1524
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:38,400
playing, you know, convey an
emotion or play a melody that

1525
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,280
take someone somewhere.
So.

1526
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,760
IE the beauty you were talking
about earlier, that's where the

1527
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,760
beauty is often found, right?
Even for folks that don't have

1528
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,360
the, you know, they don't
understand the entire process of

1529
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,320
what got them there.
But it's like this makes me feel

1530
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,360
a certain way.
And a lot of times they don't

1531
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,800
know.
That's why that's the plan.

1532
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:03,280
It's supposed to make you feel a
certain.

1533
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:05,000
Way.
Yeah, exactly.

1534
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,160
It's fantastic.
It's a mystery.

1535
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:08,440
It's a beautiful mystery for
sure.

1536
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,840
Yeah, and that makes that makes
folks like McCartney or Jimi

1537
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:19,760
Hendrix or somebody that makes
them more fascinating to me

1538
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:23,120
because it was like they did it
because they felt it.

1539
01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,880
They didn't know it.
They they felt it right.

1540
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:30,120
And how much like, and I think
of the trial and error that

1541
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:34,800
comes with that, you know, and
then but you contrast that or

1542
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:39,560
compare it to the ability of
like there's so much power in

1543
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,360
that to be able to just do that
because you felt it, not because

1544
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:44,920
you know, it's the right thing
to do.

1545
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:49,120
You know what I mean?
It's interesting dude.

1546
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,200
Great conversation man.
Absolutely.

1547
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:53,760
I I appreciate you spending the
time.

1548
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:56,320
Of course.
So album drops in May.

1549
01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:59,120
Yep, May 1st.
Any other like summer shows or

1550
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:00,840
anything on the bill to plug
yet?

1551
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:05,040
Yeah, I mean the release shows
the biggest one May 1st.

1552
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,520
If you want to, you know, be
first to get your hands on the

1553
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,000
album.
You can actually pre-order the

1554
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000
album right now at my website,
davidpaulmartin.com.

1555
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:24,080
And but yeah, then shows will be
ramping up more in like June,

1556
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:30,600
July time.
I will be doing the August Haven

1557
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:37,520
broadcast with 91.1 The Avenue,
which is in a furniture store in

1558
01:35:37,520 --> 01:35:38,680
Appleton.
Are you familiar?

1559
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,760
Yeah, yeah, I listen to the
Avenue quite a bit.

1560
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,040
Yeah, same.
But that's pretty cool.

1561
01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,040
That's on May 28th.
I actually had Steve March

1562
01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:47,800
Tormey on the show a while back.
Oh, did you?

1563
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,840
A long time ago.
This is probably this is like

1564
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,960
two or three studios ago.
It was probably two years ago

1565
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:53,160
now.
But yeah, Steve came out and

1566
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:53,680
jaded for.
A while.

1567
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:55,480
Very cool.
Yeah, well, I'm excited that

1568
01:35:55,600 --> 01:35:59,000
they'll be spending some of my
tunes more now leading up to the

1569
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:01,920
release and and after for the
August Haven thing.

1570
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:08,480
And yeah, that's May 28th.
And then yeah, there's a lot in

1571
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:13,120
the beginning of July.
So we're going to be, and this

1572
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:17,760
will be with the band, with my
trio, which is fun because I

1573
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:22,120
play solo a lot.
But then to be able to play with

1574
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,600
drums and bass and make a big,
big noise is pretty cool too.

1575
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:32,200
So we're going to be doing WASA
on July 1st.

1576
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:39,360
We'll be potentially up here in
the Green Bay area on the third.

1577
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,000
Haven't nailed down anything
yet.

1578
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:45,720
Maybe back in Neenah Community
Fest for 4th of July.

1579
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,920
Later in the month we're going
to do Madison, Sheboygan.

1580
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:54,680
So making sort of a little
Wisconsin loop, you know, as

1581
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:58,240
much as is possible with just
life and schedule things.

1582
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:03,840
So yeah, you just stay in touch
via either the website, all the

1583
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:08,240
shows are listed on there, or
the mailing list, you know, so

1584
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:11,920
I'll be putting out more updates
as we get closer to summer, but.

1585
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:15,120
And next summer is probably, you
know, if we forecast this out in

1586
01:37:15,120 --> 01:37:17,960
manifesto, right?
Next summer is the DPM headline

1587
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,920
tour, right?
I mean, yeah, that'd be cool.

1588
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:27,280
One thing that I'd love to do is
support bigger artists, you

1589
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,880
know, and get out in front of a
different audience.

1590
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:35,520
You know that because like I've
been kind of working the, you

1591
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,360
know, Eastern Wisconsin, Fox
Valley, Green Bay scene for a

1592
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:43,360
while.
And, and when I say working the

1593
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:51,360
scene, I'm like, I'm not super
prolific, you know, but yeah,

1594
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:55,320
we'll, we'll see what, what,
what next year holds.

1595
01:37:55,320 --> 01:38:01,440
But I've got a lot of new, new
music formulating and coming.

1596
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:06,440
So I'm excited about what I can
do next and how to do it better

1597
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:10,600
and more sustainably, you know,
as we move forward.

1598
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:17,120
And because it's a lot, you
know, it's, it is a lot taxing

1599
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:22,000
to not only make a creative
work, but then to like try to

1600
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,360
sell it and market it, you know?
When you're in the business of

1601
01:38:26,360 --> 01:38:29,560
attention, the business of
attention is very hard.

1602
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:35,000
Yeah, meeting needs in industry
is a lot different when it's,

1603
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,480
you know, someone needs a new
air conditioner, someone needs a

1604
01:38:37,480 --> 01:38:38,920
paint job, they need a paint
job.

1605
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:42,040
They don't need to listen to
your song, right?

1606
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:44,680
And we're competing for space
and time.

1607
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,560
Yeah, I'm in the trade.
So it's like, that's what it is.

1608
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:49,040
It's like you need something
done and you go do the thing and

1609
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,600
the work is there and it keeps
kind of like everybody needs

1610
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:56,880
paint, you know?
And but I think everybody needs

1611
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,320
music too.
It's just not the same.

1612
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,000
It's not the same like immediate
need.

1613
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,400
It's it's, yeah.
The choice is different.

1614
01:39:05,400 --> 01:39:08,440
The process to choosing is much
different.

1615
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,880
Like if you have good Google
reviews and you get people that

1616
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:14,240
can click on your website or
whatever you have, they're going

1617
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:19,520
to hire you to paint the house.
It's a lot more emotionally

1618
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:24,200
charged and like human right to
spend your time with someone

1619
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:27,160
listening to their music.
The cool thing about it, dude,

1620
01:39:27,160 --> 01:39:30,560
as you say, you're not prolific,
but you have you have the

1621
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,920
capability to be.
Yeah, when I say that, I just

1622
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,880
meant like in terms of getting
out and playing.

1623
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:37,760
Shows I know it should be yeah,
yeah, I know.

1624
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,880
But but that's that's such a
powerful thing, dude, that can

1625
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:48,280
unharness yourself at times of
like, I find it fascinating

1626
01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:51,760
about I actually talked this
talked about this on the last

1627
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:54,200
episode.
But like even scrolling through

1628
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:57,360
TikTok, you'll have people that
are just like unbelievable

1629
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,920
musicians that are just playing
to their phone and trying to

1630
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:03,040
capture an audience.
And I find it fascinating how

1631
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:07,880
many people I've ran across in
my life that have the thing you

1632
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:11,920
do that awed me in the cellar of
335 at 3:00 in the morning.

1633
01:40:12,440 --> 01:40:16,480
And it's like how many people
have it that.

1634
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:20,480
Just say, yeah, this is part of
me, but it's not, it's not

1635
01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,960
something that I intend to.
Yeah.

1636
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:26,480
Chase, you know what I mean?
There's a beauty in that.

1637
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:32,200
Yeah.
You know, and not chasing it,

1638
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,840
yeah.
So hard that it becomes the

1639
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:38,760
thing that breaks you or
something you know.

1640
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,040
Yeah, or becomes all consuming
or.

1641
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:43,800
Or gives away.
Yeah, gives away some of the

1642
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,840
stuff you talked about at the
beginning of the episode, the

1643
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,000
other importances in life.
Yeah.

1644
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:52,640
Because you know, when we get
that tunnel vision, we can have

1645
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:54,360
some misses in other places.
And.

1646
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,880
Right, sometimes people look at
that as like a sacrifice for

1647
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:00,040
success.
And I love that you're building

1648
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:03,360
it alongside each other and
saying 1.

1649
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,480
You know, it doesn't have to be
a sacrifice for success because

1650
01:41:08,040 --> 01:41:13,440
with that capability comes the
ability that it will happen if

1651
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:16,360
it if it goes right.
Well, and ultimately, like

1652
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:21,000
everybody has to define what
success is first and then chase

1653
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,760
that, you know, and for some
people that's, you know, going

1654
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,640
full on into, you know, touring
music career.

1655
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:34,880
And some people that's, you
know, planting peas with their

1656
01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:41,640
son, you know, or I'm just being
faithful to support their family

1657
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,200
and, you know, their churches,
their communities, whatever.

1658
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:56,720
And yeah, it's a bit, it's a
balancing act because like as a

1659
01:41:56,720 --> 01:42:00,600
creative and artist, you can get
caught up in comparison and

1660
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,560
like, what should I be doing?
What other people doing?

1661
01:42:04,200 --> 01:42:06,200
But I mean, of course you have
to compare yourself because in

1662
01:42:06,200 --> 01:42:13,160
any like thing, you it's you.
That's where beautiful things

1663
01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:14,400
happen.
You know, it's like, like I

1664
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,240
said, you cherry picking from
all these other artists and like

1665
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,040
drawing inspiration from all
these different places.

1666
01:42:20,040 --> 01:42:29,120
And but yeah, it's a it's a
beautiful thing to have to have

1667
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:42,600
music and to have just that,
that experience just in your

1668
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:46,560
home with your people, with the
people you love, you know, and

1669
01:42:47,080 --> 01:42:50,200
there are songs that, you know,
I'll probably never play it

1670
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:55,760
anybody else, you know, but or
it, you know, and, and just

1671
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:01,400
giving space for that, being OK
with that something that I'm

1672
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:07,440
working on, you know, probably
always will be to kind of just

1673
01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:13,840
like keeping the things and the
people that you love close and

1674
01:43:17,200 --> 01:43:20,880
not getting so focused on
scaling the thing so big that

1675
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:25,800
it, you know, consumes you or,
you know, breaks you, you know.

1676
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,320
Yeah, so we'll keep working on
it, man.

1677
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,240
I'm pumped up that hopefully a
bunch more people are going to

1678
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:32,800
hear your stuff coming up pretty
soon.

1679
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,800
And man, it's good luck with
everything.

1680
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:36,960
Thanks, Brad.
Yeah.

1681
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,440
Thanks for coming on.
Yeah, of course.