Dan Infalt - Chasing Mature Bucks, the Values of Hunting & Sharing the Craft - Episode #65

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What's up friends, welcome back
to Ruder Wisconsin.

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Appreciate you for clicking
another episode.

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Grateful to have you here.
Really excited for today's

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episode with Dan in Fault AKA
The Hunting Beast Wisconsin

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whitetail hunting legend.
We talk a lot about the XS and

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OS of hunting and we also talk a
lot about Dan's story.

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I learned something new about
Dan I didn't know about the the

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DVDs that started his full time
career in hunting.

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IG was introduced Dan to Dan
through his YouTube content.

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Awesome, informative stuff that
helps everyday hunters in a

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really authentic and genuine
way.

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And you'll find that in the
conversation today, the same Dan

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that sat in the chair is the
same Dan on YouTube and the same

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one that's been harvesting
monster white tails in Wisconsin

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for a long, long time.
Enjoy the conversation And I'm

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looking forward to hopefully by
the time this drops, I'll be on

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one of I'll be a have attended
one of Dan's workshops.

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Dan in fault.
So have the ways we try to lift

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our neighbors.
Where did the love go?

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Yeah, that's a new addition to
the studio.

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I added that I think 2 recording
days ago or something.

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I, I got it as a gift from my
mother-in-law and I just kind of

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sat in my basement for a while.
And then I have a four year old.

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So I like, like, I like him
doing tangible things with his

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hands that he can see.
We don't like, let him use many

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like tablets or do TV time or
much or anything.

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So I bought him a record player
for Christmas and then I got my

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wheels turning about.
OK, well, maybe this could be

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like a together thing.
It could also be a cool vibe for

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the studio.
So yeah, it's a lot cooler than

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just a table sitting there.
And I can put a little music on

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for the guests while we're
waiting to do new stuff.

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So yeah, man, I am excited to
chat.

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Like I said, I watch your stuff
a lot.

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I appreciate not only like the
the message that you have and

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like all the knowledge, man.
Like obviously that all that

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stuff is all good.
But I think what immediately

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drew me and was just like your
authenticity in doing it.

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Like I can just tell like it
screams from you how much you

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enjoy it.
And I've been an outdoorsman for

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a long time.
And I'm, I'm kind of a person

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where I, I hunt, I've been
hunting with my dad since I was

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young and I didn't, I'm just now
becoming a proficient hunter in

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my life.
It took me a long time to get

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there because the environment
that I grew up hunting in, it

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was we you walk to the same
stand you haunted from the

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middle of October through the
end of November.

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And you just like think it's
luck that a big buck is going to

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walk by.
And as I've developed as a

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hunter and now that I'm getting
more proficient at killing

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mature bucks and seeing mature
bucks like someone with your

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knowledge base and not only
having it, but being willing to

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share it is so valuable.
And that's what called me.

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And I could just like from the
day one that I'd like.

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I remember the first video I saw
of yourself.

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Like this dude loves hunting
more than anybody I've ever

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seen.
And having those two things,

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that's a really rare
combination.

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There's a lot of there's a lot
of folks that are really great

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hunters that zip their lips and
don't say a word about it.

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And there's also a lot of people
that say they're really good

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hunters and they walk to the
same stand 40 times in the same

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season.
So I guess my kind of where I

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thought we could start is like
some of your, some of your

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videos are from a long time ago.
You started documenting hunting

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before many people were
documenting hunting.

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Correct, you know.
How did you decide to do that?

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Well, I think there was a point
where like, you know, if you

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take a look back into where I
came from, you know, I grew up.

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I'm 59 years old.
So I grew up at a time, not a

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lot of money.
Deer hunt was not what it is

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now.
You know, like I lived in

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southern Wisconsin, everybody
drove up north to hunt.

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Now it's the opposite, you know,
but it wasn't easy to get deer

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and big deer especially, you
know, and I kind of strives it

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to, to kill deer, you know, and,
and to get deer.

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And I, what really set me apart
from everybody else is everybody

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had mentors in, in you're of an
age you can remember everybody

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haunted back then.
It was, it was just rooted into

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our tradition.
And it was the deer didn't grow

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to old age.
If you got a 2 year old 8

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pointer, it was a big deal.
And our, our you know, you go to

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school and your teacher would be
like, you got an 8 pointer.

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Everybody Dan got an 8 pointer.
Now they shunned the kids for

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killing an 8 pointer.
It was just wild.

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Right.
It is wild.

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It's a, it's a whole different
world.

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But the main thing that drew me
or made me better, let's say,

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right, I think, was that I
didn't have a mentor.

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My dad did not.
He, he shot like 2 deer in his

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life.
He worked 2 jobs to, to have our

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family outside of the city to
get us into the country.

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So he, you know, there was not a
lot of money.

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I mean, I remember as a kid, I
thought it was normal to have

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dinner and eat like cucumber
sandwiches or tomato sandwiches

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and stuff.
But really, that was depression

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food.
You know, I was just talking to

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my kid about that yesterday,
talking about how I grew up.

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And he was like having a hard
time believing that we did that.

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But he knew a little of it from
my my mom when she was alive.

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But but with no mentor, I didn't
have anybody to teach me the bad

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habits.
And back in those days, most

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people taught to always stay in
the same spot until deer came

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by, never go near bedding areas,
not do any of that.

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And I, you know, people would
tell me that stuff, but they're

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not your dad, They're not your,
you know, your mentor and just

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going out on my own and hunting
in the backyard, you know, going

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out into the, to the fields, you
know, in the, in the farms and

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stuff.
And hunting is what taught me

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what I know.
And, and any good hunter you

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ever meet that's really good at
hunting, the main ingredient

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they have is want, they want it
so bad that they'll, they'll

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figure it out, you know, and
that's what I had as a kid.

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I just wanted it so bad.
I wanted to, you know, get big

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bucks and, you know, that kind
of thing.

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So it drove me into that.
You know, I think I wandered off

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your question a little.
Bit no, that's it's perfect

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because I think that with the,
you know, talking about the

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access to mentors that will
share knowledge to actually make

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it happen, it's few and far
between.

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So I think that's probably a
commonality.

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Like very proficient hunters.
They either found one person

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that was willing to share some
secrets with them from that

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generation, I'm saying, or they
figured it out themselves.

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And finally, you're on your 5th
day of sitting in the same tree.

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It's probably a guy gets bored
and looking at the same trees

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and you're saying, OK, I know
there's probably a big buck over

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there that I've been trying not
to disturb.

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Let's see if I can get a little
closer, little closer.

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It's funny to bring that up.
I was talking with my dad

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recently and he was telling me a
story that I forgot about that

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he told me when I was a kid
about how he had, he was one of

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five kids.
Yeah, similar situation.

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And he was talking about how
they didn't have indoor plumbing

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until his two oldest sisters
were out of high school and they

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lived in a 2 bedroom house.
That's how they grew up.

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And that just brought me to that
moment.

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I kind of off topic, but yeah,
it's and that's what I think

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that's why I'm drawn to your
content.

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That's why I think it it does so
well and and like it's just so

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awesome because we hear
constantly about Hunter numbers

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dwindling and and less licenses
being bought and less people

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doing outdoor activities.
And it's something that's sore

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so core to my being that I love
when things try to flip that

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script, you know?
And man, I'm telling you, like

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anybody who watches, you know,
watch four of your videos, you

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will be able to kill a mature
buck next year.

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Like, you'll do it, you know,
and that's all.

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And then, of course, there's all
the great stuff like, you know,

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ripping on Ricky walking through
the woods and stuff like that.

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That was going to be my opening
joke today, but I forgot I was

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going to tell you.
Thanks for taking some time away

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from ripping on Ricky.
But like, that is a tremendous

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value because I think, you know,
like anything in life, if, if it

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doesn't go well right away,
people can be more apt to quit.

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There's less mentors, less
people of the adult age that are

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getting youth into hunting, and
then less people overall.

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So I just love it, man.
You know, from my perspective,

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as you grow in the hunting
realm, if you're, if you're

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trying to be somebody in
hunting, which a lot of people

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are now, you see all these
podcasts popping up, all these

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shows, all these YouTube
channels.

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They didn't have that in the
past.

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In the past, you had to have 1/4
of $1,000,000 to get on a show,

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you know, on TV.
Now anybody can, can be in

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hunting.
But as you see them grow that

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you know there's a lost my
track.

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That's OK.
I'm sorry.

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No, that's OK, but I mean you do
get to see develop people.

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Well, you just had, you just had
a cool collaboration with the

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like 5 different people like the
hunting public and stuff.

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You did a hunt down South that
was a really cool.

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Yeah, that was a great hunt.
But that's another example.

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Like they started from
grassroots just for a passion

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about something and they kept
going.

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But you bring up something I was
going to ask you about today.

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Those first like captured hunts.
What was your setup in the tree

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stand?
Like what?

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What was it?
What was your video camera like?

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How?
Where?

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Did you have stuff I've never
shown because it's just too beat

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up and stuff?
Some of it I've lost because

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it's the tapes and stuff that we
used to use got deteriorated.

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Yeah.
But my very first cameras were

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to VHS.
That's what you know, that's

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what you could afford.
And that's what there was.

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And they were giant.
They were like 10 lbs and

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they're like a foot and a half
long and.

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Yeah.
And made noise.

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Yeah.
I'd carried it around and film

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and but I wasn't very good at
it, you know?

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But I filmed anyways, you know,
and I've gotten better over

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time, but I've never tried to be
this pristine video guy.

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As a matter of fact, I think it
takes a little away from the

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videos of guys got like drone
footage of people walking in and

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stuff.
I mean, when I look at that,

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what I see is they're more
worried about how they look than

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they are about what's going on.
You know what I'm saying?

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What keeps me on track and keeps
me from becoming, and this is

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kind of what I was getting into
before you, you look at these

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other people that are getting
into this and they strive to be

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somebody so hard that they're
just looking for a sponsorship

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or somebody to attach to or
somebody to give them that, you

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know that boost.
And you got to be careful of

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that because you start becoming
fake, you know, you start

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becoming a representative of
this company or this guide

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service or or whatever rather
than a hunter.

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And there's nothing wrong with
that.

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But for me, I don't want that.
I, what's kept me on the

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straight and narrow is I came up
with a motto for myself.

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I, I always think you should
have something you live by, you

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know, and mine was to make
people better hunters while

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making hunters better people.
So I'm striving to help people

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and I keep that in mind and and
you know, when somebody comes to

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me and you know, how would you
like that go?

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Hunter guided, you know, place,
we'll let you have the biggest

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buck and stuff.
Instead of going there and

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shooting that buck and make it
believe I'm some kind of hero

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because I killed a buck somebody
else scouted and put me in the

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tree stand.
I look at that as like, well,

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you're taking that buck away
from one of these guys.

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That's pain.
You know, I would rather just go

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out and if I'm, I'm, if I fail,
I fail and document the, the

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experience.
You know, when I look at my

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walls, I don't see the biggest
buck as being my biggest

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accomplishment.
The matter of fact, I've got,

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you know, like 50 miles now and
I can't even have them in my

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house.
So I have them at a taxidermy

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shop.
There's a cool video of it with

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you going through them.
And I don't even see them that

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often.
You know, maybe once a year or

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something, I'll go in there and
talk to the guy or something.

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Probably when I'm bringing a
buck.

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But I went in there the last
time, maybe the time before

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that, but I went in there and I
looked at that wall while I was

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waiting for him.
He was with a client and I'm

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staring at those bucks and
there's real big bucks in the

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wall.
And I'm like, when the hell did

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I shoot that?
And you know, I don't remember

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the ones where you just walked
out to a stand and kill the

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buck.
The ones I remember are the ones

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you worked for, the ones that
were hard.

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And the size doesn't matter to
me, you know, I want mature

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bucks.
I want I want an older buck.

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I want to experience animal
you're hunting.

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And I want it to be on like an
equal playing field, same as

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everybody, that I'm not locking
everybody off of a piece of

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property.
And that's not to say I wouldn't

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hunt private or I wouldn't
sometimes go on a guided hunt

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for the fun of it, but I don't
want to portray it as something

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that's not.
And I think by staying real and

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always be in where other people
can do it, it gives them hope it

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get, you know, there's a lot of
people out there like you're

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just saying that haven't gotten
anybody to give them answers.

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And then when they do go look
for answers to get conflicting

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stories.
So what I want to show them is

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that there's two ways that you
can kill a big buck, a mature

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buck in a place like Wisconsin
with the pressures we have.

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You can do it either by buying
it or you can earn it.

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So you're not necessarily out of
the picture just cuz you don't

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have money.
You just have to put in the

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work.
Yeah.

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And I think it within that
authenticity, it becomes real

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for someone, right?
Because I think even even

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someone who's just getting into
it can see like when it's not

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that sure it's fine, it's a
different, but it's a different

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thing.
And that becomes an access

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thing.
Like do you have 8 grand to

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spend to go to a, you know,
spend on a guide or something

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like that?
Or do you have a set of four

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wheels and some legs that you
can find some public land to

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download on X and find yourself
a spot?

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Yeah, it's funny you bring that
up the, the size thing.

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I had a story I was going to
tell you today.

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Two years ago I was hunting and
there's been a couple times I'm

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glad I didn't end up taking this
buck because I filled my tag

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with a really good buck later in
the season.

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But I had this one hunt where I
was went way deep in on public

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and it was this really, it was a
spot that you would love because

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it was like very tight.
There was one shooting window I

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was going to have and that was
the only deer I was going to see

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if it came through.
And I was laying on the ground

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and I so I use a crossbow.
I'm a crossbow guy, but I was

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laying on the ground and I had
my crossbow sitting next to me

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and at this little, I think it
was 5 pointer if it had brows,

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it was either three or five came
walking in and it did exactly

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what I wanted it to do what I
thought was going to happen.

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I was 3 miles from my car.
I beat a ton of brush and water

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to get in there and there's
several days that I've woken up

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and thought about like kind of
wishing I would have taken that

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buck because it was like a
really hard one.

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I, I got lost walking back to
the car.

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It my GPS died.
It was a it was a nightmare, but

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like that, that's the type of
story I think you're getting out

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when you say something like
that.

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Like it ended up walking up to
me and it smelled my crossbow

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and I just flickered my fingers
and that's when I realized I was

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a human and it ran away.
But like that's, I don't know.

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I, I could tell and that's what
I'm getting out.

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Like from the first videos I saw
from you, It's like that you

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that is what you are and I, I
don't know.

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That's the type of content I
look for it, not just in

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hunting, but in life.
Just someone in being who they

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are and just like you know it.
I didn't know you had that

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mission, but that mission
screams out and it's like living

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with purpose and like trying to
do something that you feel

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matters.
And I just get that from you.

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It's awesome.
You know, so I was in high

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school in the early 80s.
So at that time frame in

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Wisconsin, everybody was smoking
pot or drinking and getting in

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trouble.
You know, everybody always says

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that kids are worse now.
They're not.

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They just sit in the basements
now and play on computers.

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I actually kind of wished my
kids would get in a little

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trouble.
You know, It's like, come on, go

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do something, you know?
But you look at when I was a

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kid, everybody was getting in
trouble, you know, and there

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was, like, a click.
And if you weren't smoking the

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pot, if you weren't drinking, if
you weren't, you know, going out

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doing the things they were
doing, you know, and some

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something's worse than that,
that you weren't part of it.

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And my escape was hunting.
And I think a lot of kids have

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that or like, like they're like,
I don't want to say it this way,

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but the loser kid in in their
own minds, you know, like

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they're the ones that's that's
picked on it.

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Nobody likes them.
Whatever they have an escape.

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You know, there's something
about getting in the outdoors

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where it's like one-on-one with
nature and you're, it's like

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you're forced to sit there and,
and look at God, you know, look

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at what's around you and see the
life and death struggles and

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stuff and things start to click
and you start to understand how

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the world works.
You know, I think if everybody

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haunted, haunted deer, the world
would be a friendlier place.

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They could all get along.
A. 100% yeah, I I had I had a

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lot of times I'll explain
especially to the non hunter.

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I'll explain like the all day
rut sits as like an 8 hour

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meditation.
You know, you're in the tree.

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I, I try not to scroll in the
tree stand.

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I try to, you know, be in tune
of my surroundings in another of

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my go to lines is like that's
when I feel most alive.

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The further I am from the car or
people in in the woods is when I

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feel alive.
Like 6 years ago I had a chance

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to.
This is the only destination

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hunt I've ever done.
I had a chance to go to Kodiak

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and hunt Black Tail and like
there was nothing like standing

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at, you know, 2000 feet of
elevation after being dropped

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off on a folk plane at sea level
and knowing I was going to be

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there for 10 days.
There's nothing like it, and

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just that experience alone would
shift the perception of a lot of

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people and.
You're right, man, and I think,

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you know, hunting's, you know,
there's a lot of dudes that hunt

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that are like the the manly
thing of it, like but yeah, when

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you spend hours in a tree
sitting there with your thoughts

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and that's about it, you get a
lot of places.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

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And then there's the whole thing
of, you said, the life and death

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that, you know, there's a,
there's a lot of heaviness that

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comes with taking an animal as
big as you are, you know?

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Yeah.
Yeah, Speaking of that, do you,

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what do you remember that?
What was your, what's the story

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of your first buck?
I don't think I've ever seen

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that.
My very first buck.

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Yeah, I don't think I've ever
seen that in any of your

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content.
I'll be honest with you, I

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wasn't even old enough to haunt,
but things were different back

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in those. 100%, yeah.
I went out behind the house and

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haunted and my parents were OK
with it, but everybody was doing

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it, My neighbors, everything.
Yeah.

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And you got to remember, this is
in the 70s, you know, we were

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feeding families, you know?
Yeah.

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It was a literally it was eating
cucumber sandwiches.

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For supper, yeah.
I remember waiting for the bus.

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I didn't have gloves in the cold
weather.

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My mom would make me wear socks
on my hands as a little kid.

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And it was so embarrassing.
As soon as she wasn't looking,

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of course, it'd come off and go
in your pocket.

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But you couldn't talk back to
your mom or tell him this is

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tell her this is embarrassing
because, you know, she doesn't

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have the money to buy you
gloves.

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Yeah.
I mean, that's how bad it was.

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So getting a deer was a huge
deal.

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So my dad would buy A tag and
I'd go hunt.

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OK.
You know, And I went back and I,

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I shot a button buck.
I was laying in a field.

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And I just kind of, I think it
was nine years old, you know,

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and back then you had to be 12.
But I kind of was just laying

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there looking around and I look
over and I don't even know how

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it got up to me, but it was
standing about 10 feet from me

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looking at me.
And I remember how much I was

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shaking as I aimed at and shot
it.

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It was like day before
Thanksgiving or something.

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And that was our Thanksgiving
meal for everybody, you know,

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And obviously we had some
leftover right for the for the

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family.
But that was my first deer and

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that one still is locked in my
memory.

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It's hard not to have it be my
for my first year was a button

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buck two shot with iron sights
out of a 3030 I got for my

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grandpa.
You know that that's one that

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always sticks with you, but that
adds some, that adds some weight

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to it.
You know, like when it, you

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know, I, I've heard a lot of
stories from old timers about

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that, about, you know, you hear
today, if we hear a story about

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someone shining a spotlight out
a window and shooting a deer,

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we're going to tear that hunter
apart in 1970.

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You hear an old timer telling
about that, or you hear your

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story you just told about.
You're old enough to understand

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that some of the people listen
and I think, what's wrong with

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him?
Yeah, I won't turn that one into

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a clip, don't worry.
But, you know, people that did

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come from that era know exactly
what I'm talking about.

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Yeah, it you were, you were much
closer to sustenance living of

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when hunting meant a whole lot
different.

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It had a different meaning to
people than it does now, for the

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most part.
Right.

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And you know, when that goes
back to the conversation I think

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we're having before we started
about like a quick clip thing

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and like, you catch 30 seconds
of someone's life.

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Well, someone sees the hunting
beast, you know, talking about

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doing that.
But it's like 1970.

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And, you know, we need a whole
picture of life to develop a

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true like perception or like
opinion about about things.

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And we don't often get that.
So that's why I talk with people

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for an hour and a half sit here.
But I think it's important.

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You know, it's kind of funny if
you look at the whole cycle of

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things.
I don't think a lot of people

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realize it until they're older,
but hunting changes for people

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through their lives.
Oh, yeah.

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You know, it starts out as like,
it's you're proving your

444
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880
manhood, you know, like getting
invited into camp to hunt with

445
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,280
the adults.
It's, it's kind of like you're

446
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,120
part of the manhood thing.
Then it gets about like, you

447
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:06,640
want to kill a deer to show that
you can do it, and then you want

448
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,520
to kill a buck, right.
And then you get your buck and

449
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,280
then you want a bigger buck and
then you want to shoot multiple

450
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,360
deer.
And then you get into this ego

451
00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,480
phase where it's about how big
it is.

452
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,000
You start measuring them,
putting them in books and stuff

453
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,080
like that.
And then after a while, you come

454
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,080
around to calming down a little
bit.

455
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,320
And it's more about just
hunting, getting a good buck and

456
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,720
enjoying the thing and, and
living life.

457
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,320
And, you know, it gets to a
point when you're even older,

458
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,000
you, you start kind of rooting
for the deer.

459
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,000
Yeah, I'm kind of happy when
they get away.

460
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,320
You kind of laugh about it.
You know, when I was in my 20s,

461
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,560
I probably couldn't laugh when a
big buck ran away, but I can't

462
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:47,840
now, you know?
It changes throughout your whole

463
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,520
life, you know.
Do your kids hunt?

464
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,440
My son James does OK.
My son Danny did when he was

465
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,440
younger.
Not against it, just don't.

466
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,960
Yep, James still haunts.
He broke his back last year.

467
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,200
I saw in a car.
Accident.

468
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:10,600
So he didn't get out this season
at all and he's had some issues

469
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,320
in life.
I'm hoping that he comes back

470
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,040
around.
Yeah, he said.

471
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,840
He, he he's real interested in
hunting, you know, so he shot

472
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,440
some pretty nice bucks right off
the bat.

473
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,560
I mean, his first 3 deer were
all box and all real nice.

474
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Nice.
You know, So you got a little

475
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:28,840
spoiled.
Don't get used to it.

476
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I asked.

477
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,000
Because I think that's the,
that's the natural progression

478
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,680
that I'm in right now.
You know one of the things that

479
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,400
I hate to cut you.
Off no do it.

480
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,800
But we got on that subject, 1 of
the things that bothers him the

481
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,720
most about hunting is he just
wants to go out and hunt.

482
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,480
He he'll tell me this in
confidence.

483
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,440
He'll probably get mad for me
telling you this, but he should,

484
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,520
he should hear about it.
He'll tell me in confidence that

485
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,520
he just wants to go hunt and
have fun.

486
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,160
And everybody's got this
expectation of him to shoot big

487
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,680
bucks because of who his dad is.
Yeah.

488
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,280
And I'm like, James, you just go
do what you want.

489
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,160
You got to be your own person,
you know?

490
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,360
But he looks at me as like, kind
of like, it's it's a bad thing

491
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,520
that, you know, he's he's
represent me.

492
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,320
And I'm like, you're not, you're
representing James, you know,

493
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
and it's, it's harder than you
think.

494
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,600
You know, think about if you
were some famous actor's son or

495
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,480
something.
Yep, you'd probably have that,

496
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:25,160
that issue, you know, not that
I'm famous or anything, but

497
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,960
around town.
And so he's going to hear about

498
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200
a lot.
Yeah, well, I mean, your name

499
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,440
and the phrase Wisconsin hunting
legend has certainly been used

500
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,280
in sentences.
So and that's a that's a burden.

501
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760
You know, it's a it's certainly
is absolutely.

502
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,960
It's a, you know, we build up,
we build up all kinds of

503
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,720
psychological barriers for
ourselves that don't need to be

504
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,040
there.
But it's humans, It's our

505
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,480
nature.
You know, we have to fight to

506
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,680
get through them.
Yeah, that's all that's good.

507
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,840
But like, so the, the one on the
wall on on that side, that was

508
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,480
the first buck that I shot that
I would consider a mature buck.

509
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,080
And I, I was probably, you know,
20-3 at the time or something

510
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,840
like that.
And speaking to your point from

511
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,360
early, I remember walking with
my chest high, man.

512
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:15,200
That was my first good one.
And now Fast forward to why I

513
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,840
asked the question about your
kids.

514
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,600
I have a four year old now and
last year I, he had, this year I

515
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,080
took him out with me for the
first time.

516
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,120
We sat for like an hour.
It went OK, he liked it, but he

517
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:29,480
got cold and stuff.
But last year I got a chance.

518
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,400
I, I got, we had a good opening
day of rifle season.

519
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240
It happened quick.
It fit that he could come out

520
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000
and check out the deer
afterwards.

521
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:43,800
And just that experience shifted
my it shifted my motivation and

522
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,880
like my intention for hunting as
you're talking about how you go

523
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:50,840
through seasons of life hunting
different things.

524
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:56,600
After seeing that, if he ends up
being interested in hunting, I

525
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:01,320
will not care if I ever shoot
another deer again, it'll be

526
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,560
supporting him.
And you know, you want to go to

527
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,360
this piece of land, you go to
the best spot.

528
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,440
I'll find a different spot.
Maybe I'll shoot one, maybe I

529
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,560
won't.
It's it's to the point where but

530
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,400
that 24 year old that shot that
one, that one was real proud of

531
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,040
the having that and it was ready
for the next one and the next

532
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:21,480
one and the next one.
And it's just the that the

533
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:27,800
seasons of a hunter are
important though, because I

534
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,640
don't know, I mean, you could go
through your whole life just

535
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,560
trying to get 2 inches bigger
than your last buck, but what's

536
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,520
at the end of the tunnel?
So if you look, I'm 59 years

537
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,440
old, right?
So I've been hunting for 50

538
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,360
years.
It's really not that long.

539
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,920
It's fifty seasons.
Yeah.

540
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,120
And we change this much over 50
seasons.

541
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,960
Yeah.
You know, it's, it's, it's kind

542
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,800
of amazing when you look back.
And how about the how about the

543
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,680
external life lessons you get
that aren't even hunting related

544
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,080
that come with it?
Right.

545
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,440
Or the camaraderie, one of my
one of my favorite videos of

546
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,280
yours.
I was watching.

547
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,160
I remember watching this with my
wife and I can't remember the

548
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,600
fellow's name, but it's the dude
with the big beard that you hunt

549
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:09,640
with.
And you guys were in the UP.

550
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,840
Eric, Eric, yes.
And you made these awesome, like

551
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,240
sandwiches were like the chunk
of meat on it was like, and my

552
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,080
wife was like, what are they
eating?

553
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,560
And like a memory like that, you
know, it's it's just adjacent to

554
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,040
hunting.
But like, I don't know, I almost

555
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,320
thought about like having some
sandwiches like that for us

556
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,160
today.
Just absolutely.

557
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,480
They were.
Comically big and, and just

558
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,920
awesome.
But like, I think about, you

559
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,960
know, the awesome conversations
I've had with my dad throughout

560
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800
the years because we hunt, you
know, we're at camp or whatever,

561
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,840
or just talking more of the
outdoors lens.

562
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,240
One of my best friends grew up
in a family that wasn't an

563
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680
outdoor family and it was
actually down by Milwaukee.

564
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,560
I, I used to live somewhat close
and I, I brought him like I

565
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,840
taught him how to fish.
And now like he told me a couple

566
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480
summers ago that he was showing
his kids how to fish.

567
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,240
And like, man, you hear
something like that.

568
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,560
It's, it's not about catching,
you know, a 30 inch walleye or

569
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,600
you know, a 5 LB largemouth.
It's about like that thing that

570
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,680
you share that comes with
hunting and all the lessons that

571
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,760
come with it about persistence
and, you know, motivation and

572
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,840
doing what others won't and all
that stuff, you know?

573
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,240
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.

574
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,200
So there's a bunch of different
directions we could go today.

575
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,440
I'm going to try not to allow
myself to go, continue to go in

576
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,560
the weeds of like picking at
your hunting knowledge because

577
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,480
that's what you do, you know?
And we're about sharing the

578
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,360
story of the person.
But one thing that might kind of

579
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,280
toe that line is you do these
cool like guided experiences

580
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,040
where you'll take a bunch of
guys out into the.

581
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,360
Workshops.
Yeah.

582
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,800
And and you'll, you'll scout the
land with them and show it.

583
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:58,800
How did those start?
And what do you, what do you see

584
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
develop out of those?
Because I bet it's more than

585
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,480
hunting too sometimes.
Yeah.

586
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,880
And I think it's more for the
person that comes.

587
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
I mean, I do get some things out
of that.

588
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,800
I, I meet some and experience
some very unique people.

589
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,880
You wouldn't believe the type of
people that show up because you

590
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,960
get the stereotype kind of like
you do in anything in life of

591
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:20,800
what that type of person is,
right?

592
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,440
But I, I, you know, I've had
people from every race, I mean

593
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,320
every gender, you know, from all
over the country show up people

594
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,000
you wouldn't expect.
And it's always fun to hear

595
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,800
their stories and see their
journey and hear about what

596
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,040
they're struggling about because
we, we get really into depth

597
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,280
about them personally and stuff
in these groups, you know, to

598
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,680
how they can advance, you know,
but we take them and we, we

599
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,080
actually go on public land where
I've been very successful.

600
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,440
And we go to spots where I've
shot the videos that you've

601
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,560
watched and, and look at where
the actual book they watched on

602
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,000
video got killed and how, how it
lived and where it went there

603
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,040
and how I figured out where to
hunt and how close I was.

604
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,120
You really can't see that
perception on video.

605
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,000
You know, a lot of times I'm
5075 yards for at least you're

606
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,080
about it because they don't move
as far as people think in

607
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,440
daylight, not when they're 6-7
years old.

608
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,080
But it's a real good experience
for the people that do come.

609
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:30,440
One of the strangest ones I
guess was I had a guy contact me

610
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,120
and he said he wanted to come on
a workshop and he said, but he

611
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,440
was scared to come.
And I so I asked him to call me

612
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,320
and he called me and he said
once he called, I could tell he

613
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
was Muslim, you know, by his
voice.

614
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,320
And he said he was Muslim and he
was scared to come because it

615
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,360
was right when all that 911
stuff was happening because I've

616
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,400
been doing this for 25 years,
you know.

617
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,640
But he said, I think people are
going to be prejudice or maybe I

618
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,280
shouldn't come, you know.
And I said, if anybody's got a

619
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,400
problem with you, they can
leave.

620
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,440
And he said, OK, I'll come.
So then he came and it was he

621
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,400
dressed in like the Muslim type
where that their clothes almost

622
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,880
looks like a dress.
You had a turban on and it was

623
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,920
very strange, but he drove a
truck covered in deer hunting

624
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,240
stickers.
That's so awesome dude.

625
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
It kind of bonds you, you know,
it brings all these different

626
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,280
type of people together.
Hunting does, you know, where,

627
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,040
you know, if you walk up to
somebody, once you find out

628
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,160
they're a hunter, it's it's like
they're OK.

629
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,600
Yeah.
We searched for commonalities,

630
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,120
people.
Yeah.

631
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:43,920
Well, that's kind of funny you
bring that up.

632
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,040
You asked me like, what Routed
was a Routed Wisconsin was all

633
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,120
about when he came in today
doing 3 episodes today.

634
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,240
One was the owner of of like a
health type restaurant where

635
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,800
it's all about like, eating good
whole food.

636
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,400
Second person was a musician,
third person was you.

637
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,840
But there's going to be
connection in every

638
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,960
conversation.
Yeah, I got that connection.

639
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,520
I eat real good.
I make those sandwiches.

640
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,239
Those sandwiches.
Absolutely there there is

641
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,400
certainly something to be said
about eaten wild game and the

642
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,280
Wellness benefits of it.
But that's a that's a

643
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,719
fascinating story.
Did he tell you how he started

644
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,280
hunting in the 1st place?
How he ended up with a truck.

645
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,400
Full of he, he didn't he, he
didn't we, we didn't get into

646
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,600
that because he was, he was a
little shy to talk, but I didn't

647
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,000
want to push him.
He was a great guy and we're

648
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,560
still friends.
I mean, he calls me all the

649
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,880
time.
He keeps trying to get me to go

650
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,760
down to Missouri and and hunt
and scout with him.

651
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,239
People have been like going to
Missouri to hunt.

652
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,760
I've I've talked to the
seemingly in the last like 2

653
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,159
years I've talked to several
people who either like bought a

654
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,360
place in Missouri or go to
Missouri to hunt.

655
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,840
I don't, I don't know why I I do
almost all of my hunting in

656
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,600
Wisconsin, but they must be a
thriving in in some way.

657
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,720
That's that's such a cool story,
though.

658
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,600
And I think that's some of what
we were Speaking of earlier.

659
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,720
Like not only do you get lost in
the outdoors and find yourself,

660
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,720
but you can find your people.
Yeah.

661
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,560
Last year I had a guy come from
India.

662
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:18,200
He moved from India to Canada
because he always wanted to be a

663
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,840
hunter and India wouldn't let
him haunt.

664
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,960
So he saved up and moved to
Canada and became a Canadian

665
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,600
resident.
And then from Canada, when he

666
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,320
got there, he didn't know what
he was doing and had no friends.

667
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,480
So he saw my workshop thing and
flew to Wisconsin to come to the

668
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,480
workshop to learn how to hunt.
That is absolutely amazing.

669
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,320
Yeah, his name is Dervish.
Man, end of that day you just

670
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,280
got to sit down and just reflect
on this.

671
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,440
You got to say to me, I must be
doing something right.

672
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,280
That's so cool.
It's.

673
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,040
Amazing how many people you
touch you know over the years.

674
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,400
Yeah, well, especially with the
size of the follower ship that

675
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
you've grown.
And I think that speaks to doing

676
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,440
things the right way and just
like doing it in a way that you

677
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,320
know it's true to you and makes
sense.

678
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,560
Like when you do that, people
gravitate towards you.

679
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,880
And then of course, like the
wealth of knowledge is

680
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,760
ridiculous and that's a draw
too.

681
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,400
But it's more than that.
It's.

682
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Oh now I lost my train of
thought second time.

683
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,960
Something you said in there
though really sticks out to me.

684
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,880
I know I see, look at I I just
said it 5 minutes ago that I

685
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,400
wasn't going to get in the XS
and OS but I have to though I

686
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,640
always wondered like you, you
always talk about getting as

687
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,440
close to betting as possible, so
you'll like you'll be 5075 yards

688
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,800
from where you're relatively
sure that is a better.

689
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,480
It depends on the terrain, but
yes, that's amazing.

690
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,200
So like in swamps and marshes
I'll get and sometimes in

691
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,080
farmland, depending, I'll get
that close.

692
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,480
But in Hill Country or or big
woods, you just can't get that

693
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,280
close.
You're going to be back like 200

694
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,920
yards.
But if you think of like the

695
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,560
wheels of a the spokes of a
wheel, you know if that deer is

696
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,280
bedded where the the hub is, he
go down any one of those trails

697
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,760
and the further away he gets,
the further he's outside of your

698
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,360
range or whatever.
Right now there ain't that many

699
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,600
spokes coming out of a bed and
area, but there might be 3 or 4

700
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,320
trails.
But the closer you are, less

701
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,200
likely he's going to veer off
and wander someplace else.

702
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,760
Not only that, but they just
don't move very far in daylight.

703
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,480
Now one day they might move 800
yards and you can't use that as

704
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,000
your example.
If you get within that range, if

705
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,280
he's there, he will move within
5075 yards in daylight.

706
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,640
So you will get a chance.
But if you're back further and

707
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,280
he comes through after dark that
day, you're there, he's going to

708
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,400
smell you were there and it's
over.

709
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,720
Like deer will not tolerate
human scent near a bedding area.

710
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:53,880
It's kind of funny because where
you leave your scent has a huge

711
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,600
impact on how deer impacted.
Like when you walk in on trails

712
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,040
and stuff like I know you have,
you see deer cross the trail and

713
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,920
you know what, 10 people walk up
that trail a day.

714
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,120
You're like, he didn't even
smell to see where the people

715
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,760
were.
Put that near his bed in there

716
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,400
and he'll freak out when he
smells you right?

717
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,480
And then he'll move to one of
his other bed in there.

718
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,520
So you got like one chance.
So that one chance you got to

719
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,280
make right.
And most of the really big deer

720
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,520
up shot I figured out in spring
when they weren't even home

721
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,280
because they're not bed in there
at that time.

722
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Then I come back and fall the
right day, the right time and

723
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,160
get right in there and kill
them.

724
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,840
But you have to, when you look
at those bedding areas, figure

725
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,600
out the timing and exactly when
is that deer you know, based on

726
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,320
what you're seeing in spring
using that bedding area.

727
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,360
Yeah.
How does that work?

728
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,120
How does that work in the marsh,
like when you're slopping

729
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,800
through, you know, your boot
makes the walk And then if it's

730
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:53,400
not a breezy day, like how do
you get so close in the in like

731
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,320
wetland condition?
You think you can go slow and

732
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,360
not make noise and that stuff,
but you make noise.

733
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,840
But you sound like a freight
train going through cat tails,

734
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,880
right?
Yeah, but to a deer, you don't.

735
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,640
You know why?
I'll tell you.

736
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Have you ever been in a marsh?
You get in marshes.

737
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,960
Yeah.
So if you're in there and a

738
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,000
pheasant hunter walks up on you,
do you ever notice they get

739
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,480
right up on you before you even
notice them?

740
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,120
You know why the cat tails act
as a sound barrier.

741
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,360
It doesn't go through the cat
tails that that fast.

742
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,400
I get up in a tree, I can hear a
deer coming for a mile.

743
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,320
I get on the ground.
I don't notice them until

744
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,200
they're right in front of.
Me.

745
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,360
That's interesting.
I've never thought about it that

746
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,760
way, but it makes complete
sense.

747
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,320
Got to go slow.
You can't make a lot of noise,

748
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,520
but you get away with more than
you think you're going to

749
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,440
yourself.
You sound like oh, I just blew

750
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,200
it.
I just blew it.

751
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,880
I mean you think about like
that.

752
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,280
I don't know if you watched it
but there's a hunt I did about

753
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,280
5-6 years ago in the marsh where
I shot an animal is after for

754
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,160
about 5 years.
There's a 7 year old buck and I

755
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,240
was trying to figure them out.
I went in there in spring and

756
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,600
because I had been hunting this
thing so hard.

757
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,200
I did see this one.
It's the one that he was on kind

758
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,320
of this little island with.
No, there was no trees around,

759
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,520
right?
You had to figure out how to get

760
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,480
to him.
Yes, I did.

761
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,600
Yeah, So when you get in there,
I mean, that's all water, all

762
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:10,760
cattles.
How do you kill them?

763
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Yep.
I had to find this bed near.

764
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,160
And what it was, was like you
said that that hump of grass

765
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,160
sticking out of the cattails
that had some Dogwood on the

766
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,440
side of it.
And you look in the Dogwood and

767
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,200
it's all ripped up or not
Dogwood, Willow brush to be

768
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,520
exact.
But it's all ripped up with

769
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,920
rubs.
And there's just beds in there

770
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,960
everywhere.
And you know that this is where

771
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040
that buck lives.
And those those rubs are from a

772
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,520
significant animal.
There's not that many animals

773
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:40,160
out there.
So I'm saying he bets here.

774
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,360
It's a matter of timing.
When is he betting there?

775
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,440
Well, those that Willow brush
loses its leaves in early

776
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,400
October.
So I'm putting the timing thing

777
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,520
together.
This is what I'm doing when I'm

778
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,680
skeleton, you know, and there
ain't no bucking lay on that

779
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,480
island in the bare open sun.
They'd move into the cattails.

780
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,440
So all those beds are being done
when they have hard antlers

781
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
because they're rubbing trees
and they might be there before

782
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,240
that, but they're the buck
that's doing this is betting

783
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,560
there when he has hard antlers
and before those leaves drop.

784
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
That's a pretty short window.
That's like a month.

785
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,280
So I know that that month frame,
all those beds were made that

786
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:20,280
have those rubs in them.
So I know what timing to be

787
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,040
there.
So then I got to figure out,

788
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,240
well, how's he coming out of
here?

789
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,360
Follow the trail back, find the
first tree I could hunt out of

790
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,800
that particular spot.
Get back to your first point

791
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,800
about the noise and stuff.
I have to go through that bed

792
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,280
near where the buck is to get to
the tree.

793
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,240
He's getting up on the, you
know, 100 yards in from private,

794
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,080
walking the private off of the
public.

795
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:46,360
I got to walk through him and so
I found a way to go all the way

796
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,040
around him and skirt a property
line.

797
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,840
But I'm getting within 100 yards
slip around him.

798
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,600
So I waited till it was a real
windy day because I was going to

799
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,640
be walking water up to my knees.
Yeah, you know, it's sloshing.

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,160
But I went in there and I set up
the very first time.

801
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,160
I didn't kill him.
I know you watched a video.

802
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,200
So I didn't kill him the first
time.

803
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,600
But what I did do was when I got
in there, after circling his bed

804
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,920
near, I got up a tree, I set up
a tree stand and all the sticks

805
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,680
and everything got set up and a
fawn got up like 15 yards for

806
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,320
me, bedded just before dark gets
up.

807
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,960
Never knew I climbed that tree,
set up the stand or anything.

808
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,880
A little while later, 20 yards
in front of me, a dole got up in

809
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,200
front of me.
So those deer, I was beating

810
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,880
them in the nasty conditions.
All that noise you're making,

811
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,240
I'm able to get into the spots
and that's what I credit to.

812
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,600
They can't hear you through
those cattails because I've had

813
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:42,440
pheasant hunters pop up all of a
sudden.

814
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,480
You're 10 feet from you're like,
where did you come from?

815
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,480
How did I not hear you?
But I can tell you if you, if

816
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,680
you hunt in that situation,
you're in a tree.

817
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,640
You say, well, I heard Pheasant
Hunter from 500 yards out before

818
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,720
I could even see his hat, you
know, But at ground level, you

819
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:02,760
can't.
Yeah, that's that makes complete

820
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,120
sense and something I've never
thought about my life.

821
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,960
I'm like I said, I'm just
getting to this point.

822
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,920
So now like my proficiency, I'm
really I can I can really get at

823
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,720
big bucks right now during the
rut because I understand how

824
00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:19,440
funnels work now and I can like
put myself in a really like high

825
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,760
percentage area.
My next area of evolution is

826
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,400
this thing.
It's it's like and IA lot of it

827
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,320
comes from watching your videos.
It's to your credit, like I want

828
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,280
to, I want to October 20th, I
want to be able to kill a mature

829
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,720
buck and I want to do it 100
yards from his betting area.

830
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:41,200
Whereas right now, like I've
I've developed a tactic that

831
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,400
works, but I haven't spent a ton
of time doing this.

832
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Like the story about me laying
on the ground and that that was

833
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,120
still in a wooded area.
It was just like, not a

834
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,000
climbable wooded area, you know?
You know, if you, you look at

835
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,640
the deer I've killed, if you, if
you look at the number of bucks

836
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:03,320
that are like big, what people
consider big bucks and shooters,

837
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,080
I've killed more during rut and
I obviously have a lot more

838
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,640
sightings during rut, Right.
But when you look at deer when

839
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,200
they get to blue, like 5 years
old and older, I've killed way

840
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:19,280
more in early season in
September than in rut and seen a

841
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,680
lot more.
I see a lot less deer.

842
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,000
Yeah, I see a lot less if you
include all the deer.

843
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,360
Like the nice deer.
Yeah, like, say, shooters.

844
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,680
I see a lot more shooters in
rut.

845
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,200
Well, you're talking big mature
bucks that are like 5 years old

846
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,840
or older.
That early season has been the

847
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
ticket for me.
And does that speak to having a

848
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,120
little bit more consistency
with, you know, where they're

849
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,280
going to lay down and you know
where they're going to be bedded

850
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,880
and you know exactly what
they're going to do?

851
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,520
You know, deer kind of
unpredictable about how they

852
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,400
bed.
You can figure out these bedding

853
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,600
areas and stuff.
But if it was rocket science,

854
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:52,880
I'd kill whenever we hunt,
right, because of how much work

855
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,200
I put into it.
But you, you know, I did like a

856
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,640
study where I put and I do
studies every year, but I I put

857
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,400
trail cameras in in all these
bedding areas and then just

858
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,640
didn't hunt them and watch the
bedding areas, you know, to see

859
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,840
what happens all year or what's
your bucks bed.

860
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200
And I and I was real surprised
to see it, see how it worked.

861
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,440
I did this couple years.
There's a timing thing.

862
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,800
It is like a two week window on
most bed and areas and they'll

863
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,680
look like a buck.
Beds are all the time.

864
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,440
There's like a two week window
where those bucks are there more

865
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,600
than the rest of the year.
And then it's not even every

866
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:32,160
day, you know, like say you got
14 days in that 14 days that

867
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,200
there's there six times you,
you, you know, it's still less

868
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,680
than 50% odds, right?
Maybe even less than 69, let's

869
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,280
say five times in that still.
Great odds as a hunter.

870
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,120
Comparatively correct.
Yeah.

871
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,480
So when you get outside of that
two week period where where he's

872
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,360
there four or five times, let's
say, right, he might be there

873
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,560
another four or five times
scattered through the year.

874
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,880
And then there's a lot of little
boxes stuff to come in and out

875
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,640
in between those times, right?
He's got a window of time at

876
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,160
each one of these bedding areas
and he's there for a specific

877
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,080
reason.
There's nothing he's doing, you

878
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,640
know, half assed.
It has to do with the cover at

879
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,360
that time of the year.
It has to do with the food

880
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,480
source.
It has to do with being adjacent

881
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:13,760
to doughs.
There's reasons he's in the

882
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
spots he's at, so he shifts
those spots and it can be a spot

883
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,200
has two different peak times,
but you got to hit those

884
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:23,120
windows, you know?
Goes to the story of the you

885
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,840
know the the thing we've all
said.

886
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,800
I've never had a picture of this
one, but he comes walking The

887
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Walking through.
Yeah, so that, that is one, one

888
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:42,360
question I had like diagnosing a
bedding area that like a lot of

889
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,400
times I, I, I as a hunter, I
can't get to a spot where I can

890
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,920
get in like a, you know, a 20
yard radius of something where

891
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,880
and it seems like you're able to
do that a lot.

892
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:59,040
And like I'll see the beds.
I can't, I can't see the, I

893
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,920
don't know if you'd call it the
bigger picture, but like it's

894
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,360
like, yeah, this is probably a
nice little bedding area, but I

895
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,760
can't drill it down that far.
Is there a like what?

896
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,040
That's the number one thing I
hear at the workshops.

897
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,520
We always discuss what you
learn.

898
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:17,680
Yeah.
And the number one thing that

899
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,560
said is I would have walked
right through all these bedding

900
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,560
areas.
I would have thought, this is

901
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,400
nothing.
OK, now I know how to look at

902
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,920
it.
And is it?

903
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,880
It's hard to explain.
I mean, I show it on video, but

904
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,920
it's like 1 dimensional.
Yeah, you know what I mean?

905
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,000
So it's hard to grasp.
You can't see your whole

906
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,000
surroundings, Yeah.
Exactly.

907
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:43,040
But it's really terrain based,
mature bucks bed and base on

908
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,840
terrain for wind, for cover, for
protection.

909
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:48,960
I mean, if you think about how
they lay down, it's going to be,

910
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,960
they look at an area like, OK,
somebody's trying to kill me,

911
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,360
how can I cover all my bases?
So they'll get on a long point

912
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,040
or something where they can
watch the human axis.

913
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,640
You know, if it's a swamp, say
there's a point that goes out in

914
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,520
the cat tails, they'll sit on
that tip.

915
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,080
They can monitor the anybody
coming down that point, which is

916
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,280
where coyotes, people, anything
that's coming out of them is

917
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,720
going to come.
If it comes from the cat tails,

918
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:14,400
they'll hear it.
And then they'll put the wind

919
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,240
from the cat tails to their back
looking up this point.

920
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,200
Now, if the wind blows down the
point, they'll still bed there.

921
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,400
They'll just get up and they'll
go into the cat tails because

922
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,200
now they can smell the point,
sure.

923
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,400
And they'll, they'll have
multiple beds in that area.

924
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,840
But a lot of times you can't
just you'll look at those beds

925
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,000
and you'll say, well, that ain't
nothing.

926
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,320
And different trains are
different.

927
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,800
Some trains or something like
lower areas, I'll buck my bed

928
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,080
there.
You know, let's say several

929
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,200
bucks bed there.
But over a year's time, maybe 40

930
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,960
* a deer bedded there, right?
The bed will just be worn out.

931
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,560
Or you get a bed like on a
hillside or something and you

932
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,680
can't even tell it's a bed, you
know, unless you got a really

933
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,640
trained eye.
But that buck's getting up,

934
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,800
moving constantly as the wind
shifts around because now he's

935
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,280
betting based on that wind
thermals.

936
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,320
So it's not always easy.
But what is consistent is the

937
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,080
terrain type that they bed in.
And and it differs from like

938
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,720
Hill Country to swamps or
whatever.

939
00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:18,400
But once you get an eye for
that, I get out of a truck and I

940
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,800
look at I look at where I'm
going to hunt.

941
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,000
I'm like the buck's going to
come from right there.

942
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,680
And that's generally if one
comes nine out of 10 times,

943
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,880
that's where it's going to come
from.

944
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:27,880
And sometimes I can't even
explain it.

945
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,320
But I've just trained my mind
into that from looking at so

946
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,680
many bedding areas that I know
what the train is and it differs

947
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,760
too.
So I can't explain it and say

948
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:38,960
this kind of points going to
happen.

949
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,200
That's because, you know, like
you go to, I travel all over the

950
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,560
country, as you know, you go
down to Iowa and you'll find

951
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,240
giant bucks and something that
wouldn't hold a rabbit in

952
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:53,520
Wisconsin.
But the common theme is it's the

953
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,240
best terrain they have that
offers some cover.

954
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,160
You know, so when you look at it
like it's a trap and and

955
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,880
they're, and they're like a
like, like you almost think of

956
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,120
them as like an army soldier
and, and the other army is US

957
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:12,680
trying to kill them.
They're setting themselves up to

958
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,640
see, smell or hear you and
they're going to they're going

959
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,040
to use the train to funnel you,
to give you away.

960
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:24,000
You'll, you'll find some of the
best buck beds overlooking the

961
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,920
trails where people access
properties.

962
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,800
They'll watch real close to the
parking lot where everybody

963
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,720
comes in to see where they go.
Like they want to know where the

964
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,960
where the enemy is.
You know, once you understand

965
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:38,640
that, you start to look at the
trains.

966
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,080
It's a repetitive thing and you
start to find those deer in the

967
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:50,360
spots and it's like these deer
are they like say when they're a

968
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,800
year and a half or a fawn or
whatever.

969
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,320
Let's just take a look at the
button buck you shot.

970
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:55,640
Your first deer was a button
buck.

971
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Mine was a button buck, right?
The reason we killed those deer

972
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,520
is cuz they're kicked out in a
rut and they're the stupidest

973
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,520
animal in the woods.
Yep.

974
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,360
They're just wandering around
without their mom now.

975
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,080
What?
Right.

976
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:13,320
They're very vulnerable during
gun season, you know, So when

977
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,400
they get to a year and a half,
they learn some lessons from

978
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,880
that.
Fun time, right?

979
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,280
Especially if you're on public
land.

980
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,680
They learn some lessons.
They get to a year and a half,

981
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,480
they're still pretty dumb.
They're going to run into some

982
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,600
hunters.
They're probably going to get

983
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,320
past a couple times, hopefully,
maybe not, but maybe they learn

984
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,920
some life lessons.
They get to be two years old.

985
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,560
They start to become a pretty
smart animal.

986
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,040
Oh yeah.
They get to three and four and

987
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,960
they really get smart.
You start getting mature bucks

988
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,640
and they're a whole different
animal.

989
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,880
It's like the difference between
hunting a rabbit versus a

990
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,760
squirrel.
That's a small bucks and big

991
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:51,440
bucks are two different things.
And what they do is they learn

992
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,000
from mistakes.
They learn that when they're

993
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,720
abetted, some coyote walked
right up to him.

994
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,120
Holy crap, where did this come
from?

995
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,800
And they start to get paranoid.
They start to change.

996
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,120
This is my my opinion.
Obviously I'm not talking to the

997
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,880
deer, but they're going to,
they're going to learn from

998
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,280
their environment what they're
doing wrong and they get better

999
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,600
and better at it.
So when I look at it like like,

1000
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:19,520
say I break down a 2000 acre
marsh, I might find $100 bedding

1001
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,800
areas that have ripped up rubs
in the beds, right?

1002
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,280
But if I look close, what I'll
find is a half dozen of those

1003
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,440
will be used by mature bucks and
they won't use the rest and the

1004
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,320
rest will just always have two
year olds.

1005
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,920
The older they get, the more
picky they get about their beds

1006
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,160
and exactly where they lay A lot
of times in in good terrains.

1007
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:43,080
When you get into and you find a
big bucks bedding area, when you

1008
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,680
look at it, the first thing that
comes in your mind it's like, Oh

1009
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,880
my gosh, he is set up so well.
How would you ever kill this

1010
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,200
thing?
This is crazy.

1011
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,240
I'm you know when you start
scouting in the spring and

1012
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,800
looking at deers bedding areas,
it's very eye opening.

1013
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,600
And that's one thing I've never
done yet.

1014
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,440
I I don't do.
I don't do it.

1015
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,760
I mean, I do until the until
like the spring vegetation comes

1016
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,320
in like once spring and summer
vegetation is there.

1017
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,680
I I just tend to lean on things
that I learned last fall.

1018
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,320
And get an opening invite.
Why don't you come to the

1019
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,400
workshops?
Absolutely, I would love to.

1020
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,000
Yeah, no charge.
Just come on out.

1021
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,960
I would love to.
That would be awesome.

1022
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,960
Actually I think I saw you post
something the other day.

1023
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,120
You got one cut.
Is it next month?

1024
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:31,640
I got 1/2 next week Saturday and
Saturday and Sunday and then

1025
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,800
there's a week in between
because I didn't want to do

1026
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,920
Valentine's Day the week after.
That's my last two.

1027
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,000
OK.
That's when you should come.

1028
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:39,920
I'll take you up on that offer.
You can go.

1029
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,480
I would I would love that.
There's so much and, and you're,

1030
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,440
I mean, you're dead on.
That's I love the analogy of,

1031
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,960
you know, the, the old buck
versus the young buck that is

1032
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:56,400
completely two different animals
like the, the, the three or five

1033
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,120
pointer that walked up and
smelled my hand.

1034
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,320
You know, that's not going to
happen with a 5 year old buck.

1035
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:07,360
But that's, I don't know.
It's, it's very, it's very

1036
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,600
tricky.
And and, you know, hearing the

1037
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,080
trained eye is, is what it's
like, you know, hunting for a

1038
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,960
mushroom or whatever it is.
Like once you kind of learn

1039
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,280
those things, I remember was
this two years ago, I was doing

1040
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,280
some scouting and I was walking
on this place where I, I got

1041
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,840
this feel that, you know, when
you, you get a feeling when you

1042
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,680
step into a place that you're
like, OK, deer spend a lot of

1043
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,320
time here.
Like you, you get one of those.

1044
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,440
And I had that feeling and I
never saw the deer.

1045
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,280
But you know, deer being a
creature of edge, I was kind of

1046
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,200
walking in an area that was
easier to walk.

1047
00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,640
And there was a little hill that
went down into this very thick

1048
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,160
brushy stuff.
And like 5 seconds before it

1049
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,360
happened, I was like, there's,
there's going to be a, there's

1050
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,240
monsters in here.
And I took 10 more steps and I

1051
00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,320
heard the heavy footed clunk,
clunk, clunk run away.

1052
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,560
And that's just such a
satisfying feeling when you can,

1053
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,000
when you make that start to make
that connection in your mind

1054
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,840
because the, the 20 year old
Brad Hunter wasn't doing that.

1055
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,440
Like I, I didn't put those
pieces together.

1056
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,880
I was looking at trails and more
than likely I was looking at big

1057
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,400
old doe trails and I'm getting
all pumped up that there's so

1058
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,800
many deer walking down, but
they're all, you know, doze in a

1059
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,920
year and a half old bucks.
But that's the trained eye.

1060
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:27,280
Yeah, I will definitely take you
up on that, man, because the you

1061
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,960
never.
I think it's one of the fun

1062
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,960
things about hunting too, is you
never stop learning.

1063
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,480
The you know, even you you, I'm
sure you come across every year

1064
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,360
something new or novel that you
never.

1065
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Would have thought of.
I mean one of the one of the

1066
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,440
most recent ones was the big
ones.

1067
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Was was it 2 years ago I shot
that real big buck in southern

1068
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,280
Wisconsin and buckthorn swamps.
Yeah, yeah.

1069
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,760
That one, I noticed a whole
bunch of cars in that parking

1070
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,880
lot.
There's never that many.

1071
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,680
There's always one or two.
All the sudden there's like 6:00

1072
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,640
or 8:00 every day.
I'm like something's going on.

1073
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,440
I come to the realization it's
all different world.

1074
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Everybody's using trail cams
now, and there's cell cams

1075
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,040
everywhere.
Everywhere I go there's cameras.

1076
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:15,400
So if there's something big,
there's going to be a lot of

1077
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,240
trucks.
OK, so then it's not like I'm

1078
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,200
scamming somebody's spot or
something.

1079
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,040
But you look at that and say,
OK, what are they missing?

1080
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,840
And that's what I did.
I said, well, they're not

1081
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:26,600
getting out in that buckthorn.
If there's something big here,

1082
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,600
that's where it's at.
And I shouted the first day I

1083
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,560
haunted there.
So bad ass.

1084
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,760
That's one thing I was going to
ask you about today because of

1085
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,560
the, the properties that I go
to.

1086
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,640
I, I, I'm kind of just trying to
perfect a couple public spots

1087
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,760
that I have that, that I know
that I can kind of get to

1088
00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:48,520
somewhere where other people
won't go.

1089
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,160
And in like I have the terrain
down.

1090
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,840
What's the, what for the common
hunter, somebody who's maybe

1091
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,520
even thinking about just
starting doing this in

1092
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,840
Wisconsin?
I think something that you know,

1093
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,280
you talk with an outdoorsman and
they talk about pressure on on

1094
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,480
public land being a negative
thing. two-part question.

1095
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,600
What what is the real the what's
the realism of that pressure

1096
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,360
right now?
Like is it truly like when you

1097
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:13,840
go to every piece of public
land, you're probably going to

1098
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,360
run across hunters, sometimes a
bunch of them.

1099
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,600
And two, I already know your
answer this, but I want

1100
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:20,640
everybody to know the answer
this.

1101
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:24,800
What is that always a negative
when that when that parking lot

1102
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,520
is full of trucks?
So sort of negative in a lot of

1103
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,360
lot of hunters is that if they
kill everything, there's nothing

1104
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,600
there to kill or if they push
the stuff off the land, right?

1105
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,200
But they don't always do that.
Hunters have a way of thinking

1106
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,560
in a way of access and property.
And a lot of guys just go to the

1107
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,560
same trees over and over again.
So if you look at a property,

1108
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,840
figure out where they're not
going, you know, for instance,

1109
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,240
the area where we go do the
workshop at, you know, I do that

1110
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,840
spot because I've killed a lot
of bucks in there and it's laid

1111
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,000
out in a way that's that teaches
well.

1112
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,880
But I've shot a lot of big bucks
in there.

1113
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,960
And I'll tell you what, you go
in there and rut and there's

1114
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,920
usually about 25 cars in that
parking lot, 25 trucks, and

1115
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,360
there's probably more than one
person per truck.

1116
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:19,040
I mean, an axis is a very large
area and I've killed I'd

1117
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:25,200
probably say 7 or 8 bucks bigger
than Pope and Young out of that

1118
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:26,800
parking lot.
Nice.

1119
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,880
So numbers of people isn't
necessarily a bad thing.

1120
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,520
Deer have to have a place to
hide and they have to grow up.

1121
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880
You know, the one thing I look
at, look for in Wisconsin,

1122
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,160
Wisconsin has a lot of pressure.
The one thing I look for is

1123
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,560
water.
You know, unless you're in a

1124
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,360
Hill Country, like in western
Wisconsin and it's a different

1125
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:48,440
ball game.
But if you're in this area, you

1126
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,880
know, northern Wisconsin,
southeastern Wisconsin, you're

1127
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,560
looking for water that has cover
in it because people just don't

1128
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:58,760
go in there.
They don't penetrate it.

1129
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:02,160
And generally there isn't
huntable trees and that stuff.

1130
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,480
I make them huntable trees.
You know, I've, I've pulled 3

1131
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:09,120
bushes together with straps to
make them sturdy enough to hold

1132
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,200
my stand so I get elevated
enough to shoot.

1133
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,720
Sure, but you got to get into
those areas where those deer

1134
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,880
live.
And when you look at a public

1135
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,680
property, the first thing I do
is like I'll study maps of an

1136
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:25,040
area and I'll pick up properties
based on the features I see on

1137
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,920
the map.
Then I'll do a drive around and

1138
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,240
look at the properties.
I'm looking for stuff where I

1139
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:34,200
look at it and I say, you know,
you couldn't take 30 guys that

1140
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,560
get together and do a drive and
push this land and kill a deer

1141
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,240
in there.
You can kill deer, but there's

1142
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,440
going to be deer that can get
around you.

1143
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:44,320
It's impossible to kill all the
deer in there.

1144
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,920
You know, those are the types of
properties I'm looking at.

1145
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,120
Then I'll dive in and I'll look
for sign.

1146
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,320
And for me, I want to find some
rubs that are, you know, waist

1147
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,400
higher, higher in the center.
And then I know there's a big

1148
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
buck that lives there where
there's been big bucks that live

1149
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,320
there.
Hopefully you find multiple rubs

1150
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,960
like that.
And if I take the best land

1151
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,960
features, I'm like, OK, there
should be bed in here and there

1152
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,160
should be bed in here.
And I go to those two features

1153
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:10,760
and that sign isn't there.
I'm not looking at the rest.

1154
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:12,320
Of the property back in the
truck.

1155
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,640
I don't want to waste my time
going to another property and

1156
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:18,440
I'm finding those features and
then when I find those features,

1157
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:19,840
then I'll concentrate that
property.

1158
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,120
Then I'll break that whole
property down and I'll figure

1159
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,520
out where all the bucks bet on
her.

1160
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,520
And then I'll I'll have setups
in mind for each one of those

1161
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,400
bed in areas.
And then that next fall, I'll go

1162
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,480
back and I'll go in there for a
hunt or two and see if the

1163
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,240
sign's there because sometimes
it's deer get killed, you know,

1164
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,880
and they're not there the next
year.

1165
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:40,760
But I'll see the sign and do a
hunt.

1166
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:43,560
And if I don't see what I like,
I'll move on to another

1167
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,200
property.
I might come back and revisit

1168
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,520
that.
But if I go in there and it's

1169
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,200
got the sign and I don't kill
them, then I'll start hunting

1170
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,680
that area down.
Or if I see the deer or if I get

1171
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:53,120
a trail camp picture of the deer
or something, then I'll take

1172
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,160
that swamp and I'll say, OK, I
know where all the bedding areas

1173
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,000
are.
This is what's going on now.

1174
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,360
The acorns are dropping over
here.

1175
01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,760
I'll check the bedding by the
acorns.

1176
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,360
I'll hit those beds when it
wins, right?

1177
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,080
You know.
Then I'll go over and I'll check

1178
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,840
this and I'll check that, you
know, and I'll just hunt that

1179
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,400
whole area down until I either
kill them or run out of spots.

1180
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:17,440
Yeah, that's the rub thing, by
the way, is something I'd never

1181
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,280
heard until I started watching
your stuff.

1182
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,040
I never concentrated on how high
or low the rub was on the tree.

1183
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:28,240
I would look at my focus.
Would, you know, a lot of sign,

1184
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,280
It's hard to tell.
Like it like it's very tough.

1185
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:35,400
But my focus would always be
like if wherever the main part

1186
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,560
of the rub is, if I could find
some little pieces of the rub

1187
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,360
that were outside of that,
that's what I would look for.

1188
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,440
Never even thought about.
OK, yeah, obviously a bigger

1189
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:47,840
deer is going to be taller.
I never thought to like, compare

1190
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,200
it to the level.
That's awesome.

1191
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:52,520
I'll tell you what, in Wisconsin
a 2 year old buck is usually a

1192
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,640
pretty good buck.
Likewise, they got a good solid

1193
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,720
rack.
Yeah, those deer will RIP up

1194
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,880
trees like you wouldn't believe,
and people think they're on a

1195
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,160
monster.
Yeah, for sure.

1196
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,160
Yeah, that's a we're kind of
we're a little bit spoiled in

1197
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:06,840
that realm, aren't we?
It's awesome to be able to see

1198
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,360
it to a 2 year old buck could be
a pretty good good buck.

1199
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:12,760
But that's very true.
Like I I do hunt like I have

1200
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:18,280
some private that I hunt a lot
and like that it's it's

1201
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,680
surrounded by farmland adjacent
is like 200 acres of swamp that

1202
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,800
is single owner and then the
private.

1203
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,240
So it's like, you know, a 2 year
old buck there could

1204
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,240
hypothetically walk 50 yards
into the corn every single day

1205
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,840
and walk back to the bed and
just grew into a giant without

1206
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:39,640
having any pressure in life.
It's a it's a good problem to

1207
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,200
have, right?
Yeah, yeah, the kind of the the

1208
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,000
property you were talking or
like the concept you were

1209
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,800
talking about earlier is, is one
of the public places that I go

1210
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,760
to a lot.
Very heavily pressured.

1211
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:57,280
I I find stands all the time,
but it's amazing what'll get

1212
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,000
what'll stop people from walking
through in this particular piece

1213
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,520
of property.
There's these beautiful, you

1214
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,200
park by these beautiful oak
ridges.

1215
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:10,760
There's it's all oaks hardwoods
it like and there's so many

1216
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,000
stands in there.
It's crazy.

1217
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:15,440
And then depending on the route
you take, you have to cross

1218
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,840
between maybe like 200 to at the
thicker parts, maybe like 500

1219
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:27,800
yards of like swampy cattail Y,
you know, small Alder tree brush

1220
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,480
type stuff.
And on the opposite side of

1221
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,520
that, there's a bunch of these
beautiful like little oak knobs

1222
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,240
that are higher than the other
places around.

1223
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:42,080
And I find 10% of the sign in
those that I do on that front

1224
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,920
piece because people don't want
to walk through that 200 yards

1225
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,280
of stuff.
And that's what I thought

1226
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,760
figured you were going to get
out of like often times it's

1227
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,160
just the a little next step,
like just do a little bit more

1228
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,600
than the other guy.
You don't have to walk to the

1229
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,920
back of the 2000 acres all the
time.

1230
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,680
Sometimes you do.
But what I'm trying to develop

1231
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:11,120
is the skill or ability to
realize what gets another

1232
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,720
Hunter's way actually, as
opposed to like trying to find

1233
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,560
the deer, because I think I can
do that now.

1234
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,520
But that's changed from the 24
year old guy that sat in the

1235
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,080
biggest oak tree I could find on
a nice Ridge.

1236
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,680
Like, it's just trying to find
out in those instances where if

1237
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,640
there's three other cars there,
where are those three guys

1238
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,240
compared to where I'm going to
go.

1239
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,160
And I just hope that that I
ultimately ask a question

1240
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:37,880
because I hope that that doesn't
keep too many, like aspiring

1241
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:41,560
hunters out of the woods to like
drive by the parking lot, you

1242
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,760
know, at 5:00 in the morning and
there's six cars there already.

1243
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:46,240
I don't want them to turn around
and go.

1244
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,440
Home, I've had people tell me
that they won't, they won't

1245
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,080
haunt in a parking lot or
somebody there.

1246
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,720
And my response to them is
almost always if if I drove by

1247
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,720
parking lots because there's
cars there, I wouldn't find a

1248
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,240
place to hunt.
You would not, yeah.

1249
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:04,560
I actually, one of the largest
deer I've ever shot, it actually

1250
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,480
bottomed out a £300 scale dress
that deer, I could have hit my

1251
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,040
truck with a rock and the that's
the parking lot that has 25

1252
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:16,200
trucks in it all the time.
Yeah, I was so close to the

1253
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,320
parking lot because I think live
right next to the parking lot

1254
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:22,720
because nobody looked at that.
Everybody would go and follow

1255
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,640
this long axis back into the to
the woods.

1256
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,560
And I think people generally
hunt the middle ground.

1257
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:34,600
They feel like an idiot next to
the road and the middle ground,

1258
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,480
they feel like they're getting
back a little ways.

1259
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,880
They find some sign.
They try to look for the train

1260
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:41,520
that they, their mind has been
taught deer should live in.

1261
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,480
Most people think woods, I think
deer don't live in the woods.

1262
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,400
They live in, in like the thick
cover, the brush, the edge

1263
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,320
stuff, right?
But they'll go look at those

1264
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,040
woods and stuff and they'll try
to find sign.

1265
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,120
And you know, you know, they
find a big rub, they put a stand

1266
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,720
over it.
You know, it's notorious.

1267
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,640
You go through the middle of the
woods and there's some huge rub.

1268
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:02,360
You look, where's the stand?
You know, But the far stuff, I'm

1269
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:03,920
starting to find a lot of
pressure and there's a lot of

1270
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:07,080
people getting more skilled at
getting back OK.

1271
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:12,200
I used to be able to canoe back
and kayak the stuff and wade

1272
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,360
through rivers and I'm fine and
sign everywhere I go.

1273
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,200
And I think the main thing
that's giving people that

1274
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:20,520
confidence well, there's two
things One of them is Onyx.

1275
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:25,200
Yep, Onyx has been probably the
biggest game changer for

1276
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,440
everybody in the country 100%.
The other thing is you know,

1277
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,040
that gives them the confidence
to get back here.

1278
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:32,440
But the other thing is trail
cameras.

1279
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:37,160
People eventually wander back
there, like scouting or

1280
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,960
whatever, but they won't go back
there for a hunt.

1281
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,280
But when they drop a camera
there and they start getting

1282
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,320
pictures, then it changes their
mind, sure.

1283
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:46,560
So I'm starting to see a lot of
the deep people.

1284
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:50,320
But no matter how much you
preach about it, you don't see

1285
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:52,640
many people by the road.
You just don't.

1286
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,000
Yeah, actually just found a
great spot recently.

1287
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,760
As I'm picturing it in my mind
as you're talking about it, it's

1288
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,080
300 yards from the car.
It's directly off the access

1289
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:09,960
trail, but everybody goes right.
And then I just one day I was

1290
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,360
like, I wonder what's left?
I went left and I found this

1291
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,280
awesome rub line there's and
it's funny because the bedding

1292
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:21,800
is actually closer to the road
that you come in on then the

1293
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,160
direction that everyone's going.
So it's what it's like, like

1294
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,800
it's one of those spots where
it's like, I think they're, you

1295
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:33,400
know, betting very close to the
road and then they let everybody

1296
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,280
walk in.
They watch him do it, stay out.

1297
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,400
And then I think they they just
kind of they can navigate

1298
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,480
getting to the food that I don't
think many people hunt because

1299
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:44,720
it's like it's very open and it
wouldn't be effective hunting.

1300
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,040
But I think they do it after
dark.

1301
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,960
But I'm pretty sure I found a
spot I can get them at 4:30 on

1302
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,880
their way there.
So I guess I, and I think you

1303
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,200
kind of answered this already,
but it sounds like, I mean

1304
01:07:55,200 --> 01:08:00,480
overall public in Wisconsin is
pretty heavily pressured, would

1305
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,520
you say?
Yes, yeah.

1306
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:06,560
Yeah, and it seems.
Like it's more pressured and

1307
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:10,840
more times too now.
So like it used to be nobody

1308
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:12,960
came out to rut or at least
until October.

1309
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:17,000
Now you see opening day, just 20
trucks in a parking lot.

1310
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,040
People realize that opening day
is good.

1311
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,520
You know, that didn't used to be
the case.

1312
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,040
But if you look at recent state
records and stuff, the the

1313
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,120
recent biggest bucks that have
popped up, they're coming from

1314
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,560
opening weekends.
OK, yeah.

1315
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,560
And like we said earlier, that
does make sense.

1316
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,120
You know, you can I the year
that we brought, we bought the

1317
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:37,560
private I was talking about
earlier.

1318
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:40,960
I wish I would have I wish I
would have haunted in that way.

1319
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,200
My my private, I leave till the
rut.

1320
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,600
Like I don't even go in there
because it doesn't, you know,

1321
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,560
why blow it out in October and
then not even be able to hunt?

1322
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,800
So I don't even go in there
during that, but the year we

1323
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:56,560
bought the property, we had two
giants that were on camera just

1324
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,920
about every night at a normal
time.

1325
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:00,920
And I was, I was just getting
excited for the rut.

1326
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:02,359
You know, I was like, oh, this
is going to be good.

1327
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,720
The rut popped off and they they
ghosted, you know, they

1328
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,359
disappeared, but I'm pretty sure
they were killable.

1329
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:11,600
You know, September 17th or
whatever opening day was a.

1330
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,560
Lot of guys will tell me like
that like with a certain

1331
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:18,720
property that they'll stay out
of it until rut because this is

1332
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,439
a really good spot.
So I'll stay out till rut and my

1333
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,000
question is usually why?
I try not to I, I at least for

1334
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,800
my aspect.
I try not to disturb the doe's

1335
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,760
that are there.
OK, because I think this one

1336
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,640
spot that I've killed several
deer in the past few years,

1337
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,680
there's betting areas on each
side.

1338
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,920
And then I I found this really
good pinch point where Buxel

1339
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:45,800
cruise the downwind side and I
can do several different wins

1340
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:49,399
from that stand because it it
they just access differently

1341
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:50,960
depending on which way the winds
blowing.

1342
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:56,840
And I at least this is my
theory, if I start climbing in

1343
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:04,800
that stand at, you know, early
October and my wind blows into

1344
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,000
one of those bedding areas, the
doze will figure me out, the

1345
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,280
doze will leave, and then the
bucks are going to cruise that

1346
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,200
once or twice.
You're doing that right.

1347
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:15,040
OK.
I wasn't implying something.

1348
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,280
Yeah, what I was implying is
that not everybody's doing it

1349
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,160
right.
So what I mean by that is, is a

1350
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,520
lot of guys just think because
there's some rubs and because

1351
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,720
it's a good area, they should
stay out till rot.

1352
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,640
And.
You got to look at when is the

1353
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,560
deer there, right?
Because like I said, that that

1354
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,240
there's a distinct period of
time when they bed in the spot.

1355
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:34,960
Yeah.
And they can leave a lot of sign

1356
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,080
in that time.
I mean, they can be in a spot

1357
01:10:37,080 --> 01:10:39,840
because of an acorn flat and be
competing for those acorns to

1358
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,560
leave a lot of rubs down.
And the guy I look at that and

1359
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,160
go, I ain't going in there till
rut, rut.

1360
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,280
There's no deer there.
In a lot of spots in Wisconsin,

1361
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:48,440
all the acorns will be eaten,
especially with swampy

1362
01:10:48,440 --> 01:10:55,240
lowlanders, limited acorns, you
know, So I wouldn't let that

1363
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:56,760
dispel somebody from hunting a
spot.

1364
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,840
What you said was you're you're
you're between 2 doe bedding

1365
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,160
areas and supply right there.
I'm out to rut.

1366
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,000
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.

1367
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,560
And that's this type of stuff,
man.

1368
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,440
Like, I, you know, I think about
all the time I spent in the

1369
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:13,240
woods to even get to that point,
to even know that or understand

1370
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:14,600
it.
And I just think about all the

1371
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:19,400
time I spent hanging in trees
where I had no shot, no shot of

1372
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,560
getting anything but A5.
Pointer, you know I can't, I

1373
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,520
can't even sit in a tree.
If if I don't believe I'm going

1374
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,040
to kill a big buck, I literally
go out in every setup.

1375
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,680
I think I'm going to kill this
buck tonight.

1376
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:33,800
Yeah.
And if I didn't believe that,

1377
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:35,360
I'd go home.
Yeah.

1378
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,080
And when I fail, I get up the
next morning and go out and

1379
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,160
believe that.
And that's why I'm successful

1380
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:42,720
because I can do that 20 times
in a row without it affecting

1381
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,800
me.
Some people, their morals are, I

1382
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,440
shouldn't say morals, but
they're they're self being is

1383
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:50,600
just destroyed if they don't see
a deer in 20 days.

1384
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,200
And you know, that's another
thing is a lot of guys got to

1385
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,560
see deer.
So when they're not seeing deer,

1386
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,360
they start gravitating back to
food sources.

1387
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,840
They start dating back to
funnels and stuff like that, and

1388
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,520
they'll see deer, but then
they're hunting deer, not big

1389
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,680
bucks.
They're two different animals.

1390
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:09,160
100% yeah.
Oh, I just had a question in

1391
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,000
there about that.
Oh, oh.

1392
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:15,200
What do you think?
Because I run into that too, and

1393
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,600
I don't know if it's the general
impatience of society or, but

1394
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,280
what do you what do you think?
Like the accessibility in the

1395
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,760
amount of like hunting footage
has to do with that people that

1396
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,480
don't do it like you, but people
that it's a you know, they do 20

1397
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:33,440
minute episodes and every
episode is when they kill a big

1398
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,200
buck.
Do you think that's had of any

1399
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,560
had of had anything to do with
that of people just like

1400
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,760
expecting it when it's really so
incredibly hard to do?

1401
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,160
I I think that actually has come
the opposite.

1402
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,160
I think it makes a guy think
what am I doing wrong?

1403
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,120
OK, interesting.
But you know, when you see those

1404
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,400
hunts, you got to realize those
guys are hunting on pristine

1405
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,120
managed land, right?
You know, and another thing I

1406
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,360
think that gets people to hunt
like field edges and stuff where

1407
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,240
you really don't in season see
very many mature bucks and field

1408
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:02,360
edges.
You can you can do it.

1409
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,240
There's there's cases where I'll
hunt like that, but not many.

1410
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:08,840
You know, most of the time I'm
in right where they'll move in

1411
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,360
daylight and that's it.
And a buck on.

1412
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,320
We talked about lessons growing
those deer and how they bed, how

1413
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,760
they act when they move based on
lessons.

1414
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,360
You know, most of the mature
bucks I've shot on public land,

1415
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,600
you can find projectile holes in
them.

1416
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,760
You can find wounds in them.
They got a little bit of a limp.

1417
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,440
Most of them you really broad
heads out of the shoulders.

1418
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,720
Yeah, when they get to be.
Not most of the deer I should.

1419
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,680
But when you shoot one of those
mature older ones that I'm

1420
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,880
hunting for years, when they
start to get in that 567 years

1421
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,000
old, even some of the four year
olds, I mean, I've seen

1422
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:41,880
broadhead holes.
A couple of my mounts have

1423
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:46,040
broadhead holes through the air,
through the ears, through the

1424
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,160
ears.
Two of them do.

1425
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:48,640
Two of them do.
Yeah.

1426
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,160
One of them has a wound in its
neck.

1427
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:51,920
And you know, I've pulled
broadheads out.

1428
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:55,760
I shot a buck one time.
I hit it in the leg.

1429
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,200
And I ended up having to track
it along with us tracking it.

1430
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:00,880
And I hit it bad.
I ended up tracking it for two

1431
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,920
days, just sparse snow.
And when I finally caught up to

1432
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,920
it, I don't know what it was
doing or why, but it ran right

1433
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,680
at me.
I don't know if it didn't know

1434
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,160
where I was or if it just it's
last rah.

1435
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:15,800
I have no idea.
But it was gun season.

1436
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,680
I picked up the gun and I shot
it right here, right in the

1437
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,120
middle of the neck there in the
white patch.

1438
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:22,400
And it's skilled to a halt in
front of me.

1439
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,560
And I was shocked.
It was a 3030 that there's no

1440
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:26,720
bullet hole in the back of the
neck.

1441
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:32,520
And when we butchered it, the
bullet just by chance, hit dead

1442
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,040
center in the middle of a
broadhead, which was a bodkin

1443
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,000
from like one of those ones that
they use in a wooden arrows.

1444
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:39,880
OK.
It hit the center of that

1445
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:43,080
broadhead, bent the broadhead
and pushed it into the spine and

1446
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,520
broke its spine.
That broadhead was grown into

1447
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,720
its neck, you know, But I find
broadheads, stuff like that in

1448
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,080
those deer all the time.
So now you get in that public,

1449
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,040
that private land that managed
land that you're watching these

1450
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,560
videos with, you know, one of
these higher end people like

1451
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,480
Drurys or something.
Not knocking him.

1452
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:01,920
He's got a great.
We'd all like to have what he

1453
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:02,480
has.
Yeah.

1454
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:04,640
But you watch those videos,
that's not reality.

1455
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,760
Those deer have never seen that.
They've never been shot.

1456
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:09,960
They've been watched your whole
life.

1457
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,120
And when they run into a hunter,
it's a good experience.

1458
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,960
It's not a bad experience.
Yeah, I've, I've haunted managed

1459
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,400
lands.
I've been a managed lands and

1460
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,920
you have 3 year old deer walk
out and look at you in the tree

1461
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:22,840
and go back to feed.
And you will not have that on

1462
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,640
public in Wisconsin, I guarantee
it.

1463
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,920
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I saw one of those recently.

1464
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:30,920
It was a cool video.
It was a, it was a guy's

1465
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:33,520
daughter.
And the guy had one of these.

1466
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:37,120
He had, you know, several 100
acres of pristinely managed land

1467
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,560
walked out and you could tell
like they were confident that

1468
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,760
they were going to shoot good
deer that day.

1469
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,920
And it was gun season.
And they I was, I was really

1470
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,560
impressed that they said it in
the episode that the guy said

1471
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,840
that that area like he had a
tower blind there and

1472
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,680
everything.
That area hadn't been accessed

1473
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:01,480
by foot in over a year.
Like no one had stepped in.

1474
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:06,520
It was this beautiful, lush food
plot with thick brush around it.

1475
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:12,120
And to have the ability to let
that sit for over a year until

1476
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:13,600
your daughter was going to come
and hunt it.

1477
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,880
You're right.
We all would like that because

1478
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,600
it it turns it into, you know,
we're talking a lot about the

1479
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:21,840
science of deer hunting that
turns it a little bit more into

1480
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:26,240
the experience of deer hunting
of that kind because like, I

1481
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:29,280
don't know it, it's not, it's
still not fish in a barrel.

1482
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:32,680
But you're right.
Like how many times in the

1483
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:37,440
daylight have Wisconsin hunter
in any type of pressure property

1484
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,120
seen a good buck in the middle
of the field in the day?

1485
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,840
It happens, but it's not a lot.
Very rarely, yeah.

1486
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:46,400
And generally it's, you know,
November 9th.

1487
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:49,040
And they've got a really
specific reason they're standing

1488
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:52,680
out in that thing.
Oh, man, you must put a lot of

1489
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:53,960
miles on your vehicle, huh?
Yeah.

1490
01:16:55,680 --> 01:17:00,080
I actually I just went out to
that legends hunt.

1491
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,200
This last one I did out in in
Massachusetts.

1492
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,240
I got an oil change before I
went and I put 6000 on on an oil

1493
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:09,720
change because I do the
synthetic.

1494
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,680
So do I, yeah.
I got home, I needed an oil

1495
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,720
change.
I was only out there for four

1496
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:18,360
days.
What are those ones?

1497
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:24,560
You were up in the UP You you
you 2 had a spot that was pretty

1498
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,080
good if I remember right.
And then I can't remember if the

1499
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:30,960
snow melted or something,
something happened and then you

1500
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,480
ended up just like, OK, we're
going to go check out another

1501
01:17:33,480 --> 01:17:34,600
spot.
And then in the video, you were

1502
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,200
like, yeah, this was two hours
away.

1503
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,920
We'll be lucky enough to make it
back.

1504
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,240
It didn't.
I'm not the afternoon, right?

1505
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:42,120
That might have been the same
one where you ate the

1506
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:43,800
sandwiches, actually, now that
I'm thinking of it.

1507
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,280
But man, there's.
I do that all the time.

1508
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:48,960
I love hopping around.
Yeah.

1509
01:17:49,480 --> 01:17:52,880
You know, for me a lot of these
travel trips are about

1510
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:59,800
experience in the areas you know
as a YouTube if you want to call

1511
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,160
me that.
Oh, you certainly are.

1512
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:06,320
Who travels in haunts?
The best way to have success

1513
01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,080
with people watching your videos
is to go to places that have

1514
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,440
high percentages of success.
I have a tendency to pick the

1515
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,600
hard place.
You said the UP, you know

1516
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,600
Michigan, you know, lower
Michigan, you know, you know, I

1517
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,160
love the challenge.
I love to do what people tell me

1518
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,320
I can't do.
Like when somebody says you

1519
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,840
can't come here and do that
here, These bucks ain't the

1520
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,040
same.
I'm like, Oh yeah, I got that

1521
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,760
little piece in me, you know?
Yeah, yeah.

1522
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:34,040
Well, sometimes that that
motivation is why you're

1523
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:37,160
ultimately good at something you
do anyway, because it's it's

1524
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,360
kind of that, you know, chip on
your shoulder like thing like,

1525
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:42,960
OK, yeah, I've always been that
type of person too.

1526
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,240
Like tell me I can't do
something.

1527
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:46,720
Like I like it when someone
tells me I can't do it because

1528
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:49,120
then it's going to push me a
little bit further than I would

1529
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:53,760
have went anyway to do it.
And man, to tell you the truth,

1530
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,520
I mean, this type of hunting,
the type of hunting you do it,

1531
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:01,320
it takes that because I mean it,
it, I don't know a whole lot of

1532
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,160
people that would call it fun
walking through that 600 yards

1533
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:09,080
of Alder brush with water up to
your, you know, middle of your

1534
01:19:09,080 --> 01:19:11,960
leg.
That's not the outdoors that I'm

1535
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,840
finding all this satisfaction
in, but it gets me there.

1536
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,000
But what what makes you walk
through that?

1537
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,640
It's that motivation to say, OK,
like I I want to do this for a

1538
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,480
reason.
And sure, the seasons of the

1539
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:28,440
hunter might develop the reason
differently, but something has

1540
01:19:28,440 --> 01:19:31,680
to drive you to do it.
Otherwise there wouldn't be 12

1541
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:34,680
guys sitting.
You know who you just walked by

1542
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,920
on the way you're.
Part of it is, you know, is to

1543
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:39,600
prove to yourself you can do it.
Yeah.

1544
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,360
You know, like, like, you know,
a lot of guys will tell me, I

1545
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,440
can't believe you hump actor.
What if you shoot a buck?

1546
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,360
Great.
That's what I'm there for, you

1547
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,320
know?
But I've never, ever worried

1548
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,080
about how am I going to get this
deer out?

1549
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,720
No, I shoot.
The deer.

1550
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,560
And then I may ask that
question, Oh my God, how are we

1551
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:02,000
going to do this?
I can't say in my later years,

1552
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:04,000
I'm pretty careful about where I
shoot a doe.

1553
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,200
But as far as bucks, if I want
to shoot that buck, I don't care

1554
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,840
where it's at.
We'll find a way to get it out.

1555
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,160
Yeah.
What do you normally do?

1556
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,360
Do you do you quarter them and
pack them out or are you know

1557
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:16,000
Wisconsin just started?
Allowing quartering recently,

1558
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,400
yeah.
And when they did even now you

1559
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,000
have to take the whole deer out
so you can only leave the

1560
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:22,840
entrills.
OK, so what's the use of

1561
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:24,080
packing?
Have you got to take the hide

1562
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:25,400
that the legs?
That's true.

1563
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:26,640
You still got to hold deer.
Yeah.

1564
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:32,760
So I usually use a sled and in
some cases a cart and a sled.

1565
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,560
OK.
The carts work well on dry land

1566
01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:40,120
if sled works on anything, but
you take the sled through the

1567
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,840
cattails and stuff like that
really easy through marsh.

1568
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,000
You can actually pull them over
logs and stuff.

1569
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,800
We use those like ice fishing
sleds, you know, they work

1570
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:55,120
really well for getting deer on.
Yeah, that and what the, the,

1571
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:58,240
the sled probably just rides in
your vehicle all season, right

1572
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,920
until it needs to come out and.
If I'm anywhere away from home,

1573
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,320
it's in the truck.
Sure.

1574
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:04,560
From your home, it's usually in
the yard.

1575
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,760
Sure.
So shifting gears a little bit

1576
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,600
here, you mentioned a couple
minutes ago about hunting all

1577
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,080
over the country.
This is going to take us away

1578
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:20,640
from the X's and OS of hunting a
little bit, but it like, how did

1579
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,480
how have you made that come to
life?

1580
01:21:23,480 --> 01:21:26,760
Like is hunting your is hunting
your job?

1581
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,160
Like is that what is that how
you look at YouTube?

1582
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,960
Is that?
Kind of what I'm doing, I want

1583
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,000
to do.
Yeah.

1584
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:35,200
I don't ever want to do
something because that's what's

1585
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,640
going to make me money or yeah,
that's what's going to get me

1586
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,160
views.
I'm not about that.

1587
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,880
I believe if you're a solid
person and you, you do what you

1588
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,520
believe and you'll do way
better.

1589
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,520
Like I see a lot of my friends
who are Youtubers and hunting

1590
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:54,160
read the comments and adjust
based on people's criticisms.

1591
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:55,360
Sure.
I don't think you should ever do

1592
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:55,920
that.
Yeah.

1593
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920
Somebody doesn't like you, who
you are, that you live with,

1594
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,040
that I am who I am.
I'm not changing who I am for

1595
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,560
those people.
So I'm hunting out of state

1596
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,040
because I want to, because I
want to extend my hunting.

1597
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,200
I want to have fun.
I want to see new places.

1598
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,240
I want to travel.
That's why I'm doing it.

1599
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,720
I'm just fortunate enough that
I'm getting paid to do it.

1600
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,480
Yeah, but I'm getting paid to do
what I want to do.

1601
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,360
Yeah.
And I think that's why I have a

1602
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:21,680
genuine following where the
people are are a little more,

1603
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:26,600
you know, like, I don't know how
to say it like, like clubish.

1604
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:29,600
Yeah, you build a community.
Yeah, exactly.

1605
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:31,600
It's a community.
It's a little more of a like

1606
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,120
like like a brand.
Not brand's a bad word, but a

1607
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,920
community because those people
are like my friends.

1608
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:39,480
Yep.
You know, and if somebody

1609
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:42,200
doesn't like what I'm doing, you
know, like somebody will

1610
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:45,440
criticize me on on comments,
I'll say it's probably in for

1611
01:22:45,440 --> 01:22:46,920
you.
If you, if you, if you just

1612
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,120
watched a 2 hour video and
you're mad because there wasn't

1613
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,880
a kill at the end.
Watch juries.

1614
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:52,320
He's got kills in the end of
every one of them.

1615
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,440
I like his videos too.
Go over there.

1616
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:57,360
Yeah, you know, yeah.
You're wasting your time here.

1617
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,760
Yeah, but you have, you have
been able to build it into just

1618
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,400
like being able to do what
you're passionate about every

1619
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,760
day.
That's something we I talk about

1620
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,360
with a lot of the different
guests from different realms

1621
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,120
that we have on the podcast.
Like, you know, there's the the

1622
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:13,920
adage is like do what you love
and you'll never work a day in

1623
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,480
your life.
It's all kind of bullshit, you

1624
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:18,400
know, like it's not.
There's some truth in that.

1625
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,000
But at the same time, there's a
whole lot more that goes into it

1626
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,680
than that, but that's mainly
what I was getting at.

1627
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:30,840
Like you've been able to sustain
all everything else that comes

1628
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,440
with life through through a
passion of hunting.

1629
01:23:34,840 --> 01:23:37,360
That's amazing.
And for and how long like,

1630
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:39,920
because I know in a couple
videos, like you told some

1631
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,160
stories back about like having a
job that, you know, you knew

1632
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,440
there was going to be a big buck
somewhere and you're like, OK,

1633
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:48,200
this job doesn't matter.
I'm going to get this buck.

1634
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:51,960
Like how long did hunting
sustain your, your career?

1635
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,200
How long were you able to make
that support your life?

1636
01:23:54,440 --> 01:24:01,040
For supporting my life, I would
say it started that way probably

1637
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,520
in the early 2000s when I
started making DV DS.

1638
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,360
DV DS are the first way I was
making money.

1639
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,160
OK, you know.
I've never.

1640
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:10,520
I didn't even know those
existed.

1641
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,920
DVDs.
Yeah.

1642
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,840
I have a collection of DVDs that
that's really, it was, it's kind

1643
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:17,360
of funny because you're rooted
in Wisconsin.

1644
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,160
It's really what started the
whole trend with the mobile

1645
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,320
hunting with everybody in
Wisconsin is those DVDs really,

1646
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,520
you know, I've got a website.
You've been on my website.

1647
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,760
Oh yeah, yeah, the website.
The Like forum, yeah, yeah.

1648
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:33,200
So that website, when it
started, the people that came in

1649
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,280
there and really got into what I
was doing because nobody had

1650
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,680
really heard about bed hunting
or any of that stuff until I

1651
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,000
started started releasing it.
That I started all that as I

1652
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,520
started building these DVDs and
releasing these DVDs and, and

1653
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:48,360
literally my Marshbucks DVD is
probably sold more than any

1654
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:51,800
Drury's video ever sold.
If you just think about that for

1655
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:55,360
a second, it's still selling.
When I was leaving to come here,

1656
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,480
my wife had about 15 or 20 of
them sitting on the counter for

1657
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:01,480
that day's orders.
And we, we made that video

1658
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:07,480
probably 2010, you know, and
it's still selling like that.

1659
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:11,520
That's awesome.
But yeah, we, we made videos

1660
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:16,040
that really layout the exact
path on how, how to be

1661
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,480
successful.
So it's not, it's not a kill

1662
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:19,640
video.
It's, you know what I mean?

1663
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,480
It's a, it's a instructional
video, like a book, but a video.

1664
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:29,280
So we got Marsh book, Marsh
bedding, Hill bedding, farm

1665
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:33,000
bedding, swamp bedding, those
are all DV DS we sell.

1666
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:37,000
OK, yeah, that's interesting.
Like my introduction to you and

1667
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:40,560
virtually all of my content that
I've taken in is via the YouTube

1668
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,160
channel, like like that's how I
got introduced to your stuff.

1669
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,000
I had never seen the DV DS, but
that's funny because you know,

1670
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,400
when I asked you about the way,
the way earlier, the way earlier

1671
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,040
when you had just started with
like the VHS recorder and stuff,

1672
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:57,120
what it reminded me of is I, I
remind, I remember when I was a

1673
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,680
kid or just watching over and
over and over again the tree

1674
01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:03,120
lounge videos.
Do you remember those with the 2

1675
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:06,800
old folks that were like,
that's, that's awesome.

1676
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,160
I'm going to have to check into
that.

1677
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:12,040
And so in those that's like a
how to instructional correct?

1678
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:13,880
Maybe like a more, there's a
little.

1679
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:15,480
Bit of entertainment to it but
not much.

1680
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:17,120
OK.
I mean, it shows hunts and

1681
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:20,920
stuff, OK, but it's more of the
why and how and you know,

1682
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,800
exactly how the betting works,
how each scenario.

1683
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,600
So it breaks down like like the
marsh bucks will breakdown every

1684
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:29,160
way of buck beds and marsh,
it'll show maps, it'll show

1685
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:32,320
where they lay, it'll show hunts
that were successful figuring

1686
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,440
that out and each train will do
that.

1687
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,200
OK.
So it's broken down into

1688
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:41,000
terrains because the hunting is
so much different in each one of

1689
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:44,080
those terrains.
Basically what I was getting at

1690
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,000
before was when I released those
videos and that that website,

1691
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,120
that website really took off in
its early years.

1692
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:54,080
So a lot of the people that were
in that website are your well

1693
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,200
known people now.
Andy May, he came from there.

1694
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:00,360
Aaron Warburton from the Hunting
Public.

1695
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,320
He would call me up.
He bought the videos to train

1696
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:08,040
his guys literally because he
was working with Bill Winky at

1697
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:08,920
the time.
Sure.

1698
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:12,880
And then he quit and he modeled
what we're doing, you know, the

1699
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:14,160
Hunting Public.
Yeah.

1700
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,760
You know, and a lot of that, I
mean the do it yourself, Bull

1701
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,880
Hunter, all those guys came out
of that realm from that, from

1702
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,800
that stuff, from what we
created.

1703
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:26,600
That's awesome.
That's the type of impact that

1704
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:27,760
I'm talking about.
Like that.

1705
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:31,400
That is like culture shifting,
you know, that's the type of

1706
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,440
stuff that can keep hunters in
the woods and excite people.

1707
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:38,880
That's.
It it's, it's to to me, it's

1708
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,400
something to be proud of.
Yeah.

1709
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:43,000
I think a lot of the younger
guys don't even realize I've

1710
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,280
done that.
Yeah.

1711
01:27:44,440 --> 01:27:45,480
Like you didn't.
Yeah.

1712
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:50,520
But I mean, it's something to be
proud of for me because it's

1713
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,200
accomplishing the goals that I
set out to to to accomplish.

1714
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:56,640
Absolutely.
And leaving such a positive

1715
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,360
footprint on something that's
been such a central piece in

1716
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:04,000
your life, like leaving such a a
trail behind you of folks of

1717
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:08,240
bread crumbs that people can
pick up and use tomorrow.

1718
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,360
You know, in the same same
regards, you know, for me

1719
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,760
growing up, I always looked up
to Miles Keller.

1720
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:19,120
You know, Miles Keller is no,
see, that's one of my points.

1721
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,520
Miles Keller was an icon in
Wisconsin.

1722
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:29,040
He is now about 80 years old.
He's still alive or not in

1723
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:33,400
Wisconsin.
He's he's from Minnesota, but he

1724
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:38,280
was an icon across the country.
He shot more popping young bucks

1725
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:42,080
than anybody in the country at a
time frame like in the 80s,

1726
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:47,640
maybe even a little bit of the
Seventies, 80s and 90s when I

1727
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:49,640
was growing up.
He had more Pope and Young's by

1728
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:52,680
quite a bit than anybody else.
And he would travel around the

1729
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,520
country doing that at a time
when nobody traveled.

1730
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:57,360
That's what kind of got me into
this stuff, right?

1731
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:02,000
I remember him coming to
Wisconsin on a hunt, going in a

1732
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,000
public land and shooting this
Wisconsin State record that held

1733
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,360
for many, many, many years, a
very large 8 pointer.

1734
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,040
And that was a state record for
like 10 years or something.

1735
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,520
And that guy was an icon.
And he was in every magazine.

1736
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:18,200
He was on the cover, all the
magazines, there's books about

1737
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:22,960
him, there's Google's name.
And now he's forgotten.

1738
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,400
And one day I'll be forgotten,
you know, And, and I look at

1739
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,640
that and I just see it's so
crazy that people don't even

1740
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,480
know who he is now, you know,
because he was really like the

1741
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:37,800
icon of of hunting and, you
know, and I think for me, it's

1742
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,800
just OK that I know what I've
done, you know, You know what I

1743
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,640
mean?
Yeah.

1744
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,600
It doesn't have to be world
spread or anything.

1745
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:47,760
I've got a goal.
And I want to, you know, I want

1746
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,000
to see some of these young
people get a jump by what I give

1747
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,440
them and become more than I ever
been.

1748
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,080
Yeah.
I want to see them that they

1749
01:29:55,080 --> 01:30:00,480
aspire to do that.
I mean, quite often some young

1750
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:01,920
kid will come up.
I don't have enough money to

1751
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:05,240
come to workshop and I'll just
come on, you know, and I'll take

1752
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:06,680
them hunting and stuff and help
them.

1753
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:10,400
And you know, for me, I want to
see this grow.

1754
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:12,800
I want to see more people come
into hunting instead of go out

1755
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,120
of it.
I want to see more families hunt

1756
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,840
instead of just a man, you know,
whole family, you know.

1757
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:21,960
That's been such a positive
trend in the industry.

1758
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,280
I have so many females getting
out in the woods.

1759
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:26,640
I love it hunting and.
And whole families, yeah.

1760
01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:27,760
Yeah.
And yeah.

1761
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:32,040
And yeah, the kids, daughters,
sons, yeah, that's, that's what

1762
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,680
we need.
That's and like to have the not

1763
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,720
only the knowledge and ability,
but the willingness to do it,

1764
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,160
you know, not share the
knowledge, but go through the

1765
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:47,240
logistical aspects like
whenever, whenever, like when

1766
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:51,760
you decided on the DVDs, between
that and your last job, there

1767
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:54,560
was probably a lot of decisions
that had to be made in that

1768
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,360
point about taking a risk.
You know, where you were at in

1769
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,040
your family life.
What did you need to do to

1770
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:03,440
sustain your life?
But you decided to devote time,

1771
01:31:03,440 --> 01:31:06,720
effort and energy into something
that you were passionate about.

1772
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:13,200
And Rick, it's like you see that
in I hope you see that in in the

1773
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,560
fruits of your labor when you
talk about those folks.

1774
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:18,920
Because like for the females
that get out into the woods now,

1775
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,680
there's probably somebody that
are is their person, you know,

1776
01:31:22,680 --> 01:31:25,520
that they looked up to and
they're like, OK, she can do it.

1777
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,800
I can and you maybe that's a
cool question, actually.

1778
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,920
How often do you get that?
Like are you pretty?

1779
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,880
I I doubt.
I doubt you're very

1780
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,600
inconspicuous when you get out
of the car at the public land

1781
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,640
and there's somebody else there
and there's Dan Infall.

1782
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,680
Like do you get people that walk
up and it happens a lot.

1783
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,680
I bet it actually like when I
out with Eric and those guys

1784
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,080
that they're always like, oh,
come on, Every time somebody

1785
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:56,680
gets out and yells, oh, Dan, you
know, but I always take the time

1786
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,960
to go over and say hi and be
nice, you know, And I actually

1787
01:31:59,960 --> 01:32:01,680
enjoy it.
I enjoy meeting people in the

1788
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,600
conversations.
And it's not always about the

1789
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:06,680
hunt.
It's about helping people.

1790
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,040
So that's helping people, going
over and meeting them.

1791
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:10,760
Everybody wants to tell you
their story.

1792
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:12,800
They want to tell you about the
buck they haunted, you know and

1793
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,240
you know.
I bet it comes with the

1794
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,360
territory.
I know when I told my dad I was

1795
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:18,600
going to have you on, he was
pumped up.

1796
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:20,240
He watches you on YouTube all
the time too.

1797
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,000
And that comes with the
territory.

1798
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,280
And it's it's such AI don't
know.

1799
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,520
I'm surprised at how far
reaching it has because like,

1800
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:37,520
you know, you go down South, you
walk into a restaurant in the

1801
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,040
middle of nowhere, you know, in
some town that has one

1802
01:32:40,040 --> 01:32:44,440
restaurant and a gas station,
you know, and people come up and

1803
01:32:44,440 --> 01:32:47,640
they know you and it's like,
it's crazy, you know, went to

1804
01:32:47,640 --> 01:32:50,680
Massachusetts.
I'm walking in the woods and I'm

1805
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,840
5075 yards from the road and
somebody stops Dan involved, and

1806
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,840
I'm like, yeah.
And I walk all the way back.

1807
01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:59,680
I was with Ricky.
He was like, come on.

1808
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,760
And the guy starts telling me he
started hunting because of me

1809
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,280
and stuff.
And you, you hear that a lot.

1810
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,000
And honestly, he starts crying
and just gives me this giant

1811
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,080
hug.
It's a little awkward, but cool,

1812
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:13,360
too.
But cool, too.

1813
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:14,360
Yeah.
You know.

1814
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:22,040
Man what that means, and for me
that that's worth its weight in

1815
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:25,000
gold, you know.
But like man, if you.

1816
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:27,480
You know, that's why I put up
with all the hate and stuff,

1817
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:29,800
because you get a lot of hate.
Do you jealously hate?

1818
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:33,360
Oh yeah, a lot.
From the outdoors community.

1819
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,360
Oh yeah, I'm constantly deleting
comments and stuff.

1820
01:33:37,480 --> 01:33:39,400
It's, it's, it's a shame, but I
do.

1821
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,680
But the thing that keeps me
going is the positives, you

1822
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:45,480
know, the positive comments and
stuff.

1823
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:50,960
Outside of.
You look shocked.

1824
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,400
I am actually.
In hunting, what I've seen is a

1825
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,040
lot of the younger guys got this
big eagle want to be somebody

1826
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,360
and their way of being somebody
is to put everybody down that's

1827
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:03,760
above them.
Like, well, he did it cuz he's

1828
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,960
poaching or he did it because
he's, he's in some other state

1829
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,480
that's better or whatever.
But it gets to the point where

1830
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,400
it's actually hate.
I've actually had people make

1831
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:13,640
death threats and everything
else.

1832
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:17,400
I had some guys attack my wife
in a gas station over me

1833
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:18,880
shooting 2 deer in the same
year.

1834
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:22,080
When remember when Wisconsin had
the CWD thing and you could

1835
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:25,280
shoot multiple bucks?
I shot 2 bucks and these guys

1836
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,280
went nuts on her and said they
were going to kill me and all

1837
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,040
kinds of stuff.
She wouldn't gas station, she

1838
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,800
had to call the cops.
Yeah, I mean, we've had some

1839
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,120
crazy stuff.
We had a, you know, I had a guy

1840
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,200
come up the driveway with a gun
and threaten my son.

1841
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:39,120
You know, where is he?
I want to talk to him.

1842
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,680
I I mean, it gets a little nuts
just over stupid deer.

1843
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:46,880
So I mean, it would be real easy
for me to just disappear, but I

1844
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:49,080
think I've all right.
I'd have to probably get a face

1845
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,560
change, but it'd be really easy
to just disappear out of

1846
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:54,200
hunting.
And I can understand why some

1847
01:34:54,200 --> 01:34:56,280
people don't want that, you
know?

1848
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,280
That amazes me so.
Everybody I know that's big

1849
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:02,680
tells me the same thing.
They get the same stuff, just

1850
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:05,960
most people are quiet about it.
They just, they don't excite it

1851
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,000
or anything, you know?
Yeah, don't bring it up.

1852
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,360
Yeah.
So I spend very little time in

1853
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:14,000
the comments section on social
media because of that.

1854
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:15,880
Maybe that's why I'm a little
bit out of the loop.

1855
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:20,080
Like IA lot of times so much, so
much of that stuff is

1856
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:22,280
reflections of people's image of
themselves.

1857
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:24,920
You know, like they're not doing
what they want to do, so they're

1858
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,200
going to put you down for doing
it.

1859
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:28,320
Like there's no progress made in
that at all.

1860
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:34,920
But being like, I've consumed so
much of your content and I just,

1861
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,840
you know, outs, I guess that you
rattled a couple of them off

1862
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,680
there.
But like, man, what?

1863
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:42,560
What is there even to complain
about, you know, I guess.

1864
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:45,200
You know, for me, if I don't
like something, I just don't

1865
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,760
watch, right?
You know it's not normal people,

1866
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:51,680
but if you have 100,000 people
watching your videos there's

1867
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:55,720
going to be some nut jobs.
It just is, yeah.

1868
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:58,760
And that that's one of the
negatives of social media and

1869
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:02,240
and things that have happened,
like it gives the fringes almost

1870
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:05,120
the highlighted voice because
the normal people like you and I

1871
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,000
have that mentality.
We're not like if we don't like

1872
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,440
it, I'll just click on to the
next video and it's fine.

1873
01:36:10,440 --> 01:36:14,000
I'll look at the next thing.
But the fringes that get the

1874
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,880
highlighted that like they get
hot put on this pedestal or they

1875
01:36:17,880 --> 01:36:21,360
have a stage on social media
because they're willing to put

1876
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,600
something asinine in a comment
and see it.

1877
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:28,640
But man, the and you know, the
more I think about it, I guess

1878
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,920
the less surprised I get because
there is a ton of infighting and

1879
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,440
hunting that doesn't have to
happen.

1880
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,960
Like big buck versus small buck
It was.

1881
01:36:35,960 --> 01:36:39,080
Kind of like, as that started
coming down, it was kind of

1882
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,800
shocking to me because I always
thought, like, hunters are the

1883
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:45,560
best people in the community.
They're the nicest, most polite

1884
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,680
people because most of the
hunters, you know, in your

1885
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:50,880
general area are.
Yeah, You know, So it's kind of

1886
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,280
shocking to me that the way some
people act.

1887
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,200
Yeah.
And it's bad as a black eye to

1888
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,720
us.
I've always said that if

1889
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:00,680
everybody that's in that social
media groups and stuff like

1890
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:03,320
that, they see that just
instantly blocked that guy when

1891
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,640
he's got no voice and he can't,
he'll, he'll start thinking

1892
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:07,720
about it.
It's a proverbial punch in the

1893
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,320
nose.
Because when we were kids, as

1894
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,080
you know, if you mouthed off or
you said something that didn't,

1895
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:16,200
didn't belong there, well,
you'd, you'd get faced off.

1896
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:17,760
You'd, you'd have to face this
guy, right?

1897
01:37:18,280 --> 01:37:20,120
And and there'd be some punches
thrown.

1898
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:24,480
And you can't punch throws from
a distance you, you know, so

1899
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,160
people know that.
So these people have a voice

1900
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:30,400
because they're long distance
throwing their comments, you

1901
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:34,120
know?
What the wild stories though?

1902
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:38,040
So someone came up your driveway
with a gun, threatened your son?

1903
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:39,720
There was a person that lives
nearby me.

1904
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,960
He actually he's in prison now.
I'll go figure.

1905
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,760
Well, makes sense.
He lived in a garage that

1906
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,640
somebody let him live in the
garage because he was like a

1907
01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:51,400
bomb.
But apparently I was the Buckeye

1908
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:56,040
shot was his.
I was the second one, and I

1909
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:57,360
shouldn't have been able to
shoot that second.

1910
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,720
Whether it's legal or not, you
know, sure.

1911
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,800
But I mean, you got to be pretty
nuts to come somebody's driveway

1912
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:04,320
with a gun.
And it turned out at the time he

1913
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,600
was a felon.
You couldn't even have a gun.

1914
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:12,040
Nice, you know, So yeah, it gets
kind of nuts.

1915
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:16,040
And that part I, that part I
assumed as much because that

1916
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,720
part of the jealousy and
hunting, I think everybody sees

1917
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:22,000
maybe not like of course not to
driving up somebody's driveway

1918
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:25,280
with a gun, but like coming out
of a public spot, I'm sure

1919
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,840
you've run into it with all the
bucks you've killed, like coming

1920
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,480
out of a public spot with, you
know, somebody's buck that

1921
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,480
they've been watching, I'm sure.
You've had some.

1922
01:38:32,480 --> 01:38:36,120
Most people, the overall
majority are excited for you.

1923
01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:40,040
They're happy, absolutely.
And they might say, oh, my gosh,

1924
01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:42,480
you know, they catch you on the
trail dragging it out, which you

1925
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:43,840
don't, You try to sneak them
out, right?

1926
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,960
But you're dragging it out.
And someone will come up and be

1927
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:49,280
like, oh, no, that's the buck I
was hunting.

1928
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,240
But they're genuinely excited
for you.

1929
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:52,800
Yeah.
You're like, oh, you sucker, and

1930
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,560
you killed my buck.
But they're smiling.

1931
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:56,400
They're happy.
They shake your hand and they

1932
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,960
get a picture with you with the
buck, you know, fine, you know,

1933
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,400
and, and actually it's probably
good for those people to know

1934
01:39:02,440 --> 01:39:05,760
that that buck's not there no
more for sure, you know, But I

1935
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,400
really try to get them out
without nobody know when I was

1936
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,040
there.
Hell yeah, yeah.

1937
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,080
I saw a really funny video the
other day.

1938
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:14,000
It was a guy taking a taking a
good buck out of the woods on a

1939
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,360
cart and he came across the
trail camera and it was just on

1940
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,480
the edge of it.
The word.

1941
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:21,280
You could kind of see him, but
he must have noticed the trail

1942
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,960
camera and he backed up in front
of it and like held up the

1943
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,040
antlers to the trail camera and
waved to the guy and just kind

1944
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,280
of did one of these like, I got
it, you know, just kind of let

1945
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:35,840
them know that was the one.
But man, what a that it just

1946
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:40,040
brings you to the, you know, we
spent an hour talking about

1947
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:45,040
passion through a positive lens
of something that you do because

1948
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:48,440
you love.
And it just, it just sucks that

1949
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:53,080
that that other side like where
I don't know.

1950
01:39:53,080 --> 01:39:56,080
That's what you got to draw the
line is, is, is one thing like I

1951
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:58,720
can handle that, you can
probably handle that, but I

1952
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:03,040
don't want my wife, family who
who have nothing to do with what

1953
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,120
I'm doing.
Yeah, absolutely.

1954
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,720
That's just a crazy in A to walk
up to somebody's wife in a gas

1955
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:13,120
station and it cost somebody.
Even to know that that's my

1956
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:14,720
wife.
I mean, how do they even know

1957
01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:15,440
that?
Right.

1958
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:16,520
Yeah, I've never seen her in a
video.

1959
01:40:16,520 --> 01:40:18,080
That's why you.
Don't see her on my Facebook

1960
01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:21,640
pages or anything else.
That's why that's hidden how she

1961
01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,800
looks or anything else.
That's why it's hidden, because

1962
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:25,200
it needs to be.
Yeah, and.

1963
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,000
Then that's something.
I mean, you can't even have your

1964
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:29,640
wife on your Facebook page.
Yeah.

1965
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:33,800
You know, think about that.
Same thing, I very rarely share

1966
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:36,800
anything of my kid even on my
personal social medias but

1967
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,600
definitely not on the podcast.
I can't share when I'm leaving

1968
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,320
on a hunt or anything like that.
Yeah, sometimes it gets shared

1969
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:45,040
because of sponsors and stuff
like that.

1970
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:48,880
Sure.
But we had to put, we put a

1971
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,440
security system up, you know, we
put cameras up.

1972
01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:54,880
So then I shouldn't have to
where I live, but we did, you

1973
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:59,080
know, I got my wife concealed
carry, you know, and it's a,

1974
01:40:59,080 --> 01:41:01,400
it's a sad thing.
I mean, I'm just hunting you.

1975
01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:05,600
Know, isn't that isn't that wild
absolutely wild.

1976
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:09,520
It comes back to a recreational
pastime that should be enjoyable

1977
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,080
for the people who party.
Yeah.

1978
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,880
Well, let's end on a high note.
Dan, what you have that awesome

1979
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:17,800
video.
We, we briefly touched on it

1980
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,160
earlier where you, you walk
through some of the bucks in, in

1981
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:27,560
the taxidermist place.
What, what is the, and you might

1982
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,320
have told the story already
because it might be the island

1983
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,000
one.
But like when you look back on

1984
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,960
it, what's the, what's the buck
story that like when someone

1985
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:42,520
asks you to tell them, like why
maybe not why you hunt, but

1986
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:47,080
like, what is that one story you
would go to from a buck story

1987
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,160
that you look back on?
It's always the front of your

1988
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:52,840
mind.
I guess probably my first really

1989
01:41:52,840 --> 01:41:55,560
big buck, man, she had some nice
books.

1990
01:41:56,120 --> 01:42:02,760
But the first very, very big
buck, that was a buck that I

1991
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:08,720
shot in 1989 on Thanksgiving
Day.

1992
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:15,000
I haunted that buck by three or
four years.

1993
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:20,160
I had at least one shed from
every year from home from two

1994
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:26,080
years on and it was a time frame
when 2 year olds were a big

1995
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,960
deal.
And that was the one deer that

1996
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:34,280
like whatever it was like 86 or
87 or whatever was a 2 year old

1997
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:35,680
that was a nice buck that made
it.

1998
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:39,240
And then the next year he was a
really nice buck made Pope and

1999
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:41,280
young as a three-year old.
I didn't kill him.

2000
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:45,240
And in the next year we had a
really big wreck, you know, like

2001
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,080
one 40s at that time.
That was a really big wreck, you

2002
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:53,960
know, And that deer taught me
how to hunt because I'd already

2003
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:56,560
been molding myself on my own,
you know.

2004
01:42:57,160 --> 01:43:00,680
But as a young man back then, I
was starting to realize that the

2005
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:03,960
closer you got to the thick
stuff, the more you saw him in

2006
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,080
daylight.
Everybody else saying stay away

2007
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:07,600
from that.
You're going to spook all the

2008
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:12,560
year off the property.
I'm thinking, wow, the closer I

2009
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,200
get, the more chances I get.
What are you crazy?

2010
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:19,120
So I kept pushing that envelope.
But then when the season ended

2011
01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:21,160
and I want to find those sheds,
I started looking for the sheds

2012
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:23,280
and let's see where he was
coming from.

2013
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:26,160
You walk in and you find the
beds and your stuff and you're

2014
01:43:26,240 --> 01:43:27,840
like, oh, wow, if I was just set
up right here.

2015
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:29,880
He said to put the two and two
together.

2016
01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,400
And I started like rapidly
looking through all these

2017
01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,960
bedding areas, you know, and
finding them and then find out,

2018
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:37,840
figuring out how to haunt them.
And I still had, I was still

2019
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,200
missing a lot of the pieces
because I've still learning,

2020
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:42,920
right?
This is, you know, in the 80s.

2021
01:43:43,480 --> 01:43:49,200
So I came up with this plan and
I had shot him that year.

2022
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:53,440
I shot him in the ass with the
bolt, had a bad shot and luckily

2023
01:43:53,440 --> 01:43:58,360
I didn't kill him.
But that next year with the

2024
01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,760
spring and stuff, I went and I
scouted all those bedding areas,

2025
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,680
figured that out and I still
didn't kill him with a bowl, but

2026
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:05,000
I seen him a whole bunch of
times.

2027
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:08,240
Now all of a sudden I was having
all the kinds of more

2028
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,920
interactions with him getting
close, but not quite close

2029
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:14,040
enough.
I'd be set up wrong or too far

2030
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:17,440
back or, you know, I still
figuring things out, you know,

2031
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,080
and I wouldn't know when he's
going to bed where I just,

2032
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,120
that's a bedding area.
You know, I didn't have no

2033
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:28,360
timing or anything like that.
So when gun season came, I came

2034
01:44:28,360 --> 01:44:31,360
up with this plan that I was
going to hunt down all those

2035
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:34,040
bedding areas one after another
with the gun and I was just

2036
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:37,920
going to sneak through them.
So I, I, I figured out really

2037
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:41,120
quick that if I went in wind and
nose, they're looking straight

2038
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,880
downwind, smelling from behind.
They'd bust me every time.

2039
01:44:44,280 --> 01:44:47,560
So I'd come in from a cross wind
and then usually there'd be some

2040
01:44:47,560 --> 01:44:50,360
deer in there.
And I was starting to pass box

2041
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:51,840
at that time because of this
buck.

2042
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:56,640
You know, we're usually in that
in that time frame, 2 year old

2043
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,840
buck was a big deal.
You, you, you'd probably shoot

2044
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,080
it.
I'm starting to let those go.

2045
01:45:00,440 --> 01:45:01,840
I can remember my telling my dad
that.

2046
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,120
And they got to the point where
I couldn't tell him because he

2047
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:05,880
was about meat.
He was about feeding the family.

2048
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:07,160
Yeah.
And he's like, we're going to

2049
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:11,480
have antler stupid soup again,
you know.

2050
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:15,480
So I got through the whole week
without getting a chance to kill

2051
01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:18,760
this deer.
And then it got to be

2052
01:45:18,760 --> 01:45:23,760
Thanksgiving Day.
And Thanksgiving was a huge deal

2053
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,400
for my mom, you know, you
brought the whole family

2054
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,160
together, you know, and, and
stuff.

2055
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,760
And I wanted to go hunt.
And she's like, you can go in

2056
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,280
the morning, but you got to be
back here by this time and

2057
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:35,320
clean, you know?
OK, All right.

2058
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:40,320
So I go out and I go through all
these bed and areas and it's

2059
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:43,000
getting close to time, but
there's this one spot I want to

2060
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:47,680
go to that's way back where this
is what used to be a farm field.

2061
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:50,040
And now it's just weeds and
brush, right?

2062
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:52,880
It's below yet is it hasn't
turned to trees or anything yet

2063
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:54,960
or saplings or anything.
But in the middle of it's a

2064
01:45:54,960 --> 01:46:01,200
draw, you know, a drainage draw
and where the erosion made a

2065
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:04,800
draw and it never got farmed.
And it's all full of Dogwood and

2066
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:07,960
nasty stuff in the steep.
And then scouting in that, that

2067
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,920
spring, I found a whole bunch of
rubs and beds in there.

2068
01:46:10,920 --> 01:46:11,960
I thought this thing's living
here.

2069
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:15,760
But if you remember from those
old farms, they'd have farm

2070
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:18,720
dumps.
So that whole draw was filled up

2071
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:22,040
with garbage, but there's beds
in between the garbage and

2072
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:23,920
stuff.
So I was trying to think about

2073
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:25,480
how could you go in here?
Because you're going from this

2074
01:46:25,480 --> 01:46:26,560
way, He's going to roll out the
other side.

2075
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,400
You come up with the guts of it,
he's going to come up with the

2076
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,960
top.
How do I go about this?

2077
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,720
And I'm looking at it and I
thought if I come from the top,

2078
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:36,000
I can see both sides, but once I
step in, I can't.

2079
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,600
So went up on the top and
there's a car, like an old

2080
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:43,160
rotten out car in the garbage in
there, right in the middle of a

2081
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:45,920
really thick spot where I
thought was near the bedding

2082
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:49,640
that I'd seen in spring.
And I picked up a rock and I

2083
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:52,120
threw it on top of the car and
got ready.

2084
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:54,360
And the buck jumped up and ran
out into the field.

2085
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:57,960
And it was him.
And out of the excitement, I had

2086
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:03,600
loaded the gun and I realized I
was just spraying bullets.

2087
01:47:04,120 --> 01:47:07,760
Remember, I was a lot younger.
You know, this is 89, right?

2088
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:12,360
Thanksgiving of 89.
So I realized I was spraying

2089
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:14,760
bullets and then I was going to
run out of bullets.

2090
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:18,720
You know, you had five shots,
you know, So I get the, the, the

2091
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:22,960
old shotgun up and I tried to
concentrate on the next two or

2092
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,160
whatever.
I thought I had two left.

2093
01:47:24,520 --> 01:47:27,800
And I, and I shoot the, the
shot, miss again, pumping

2094
01:47:27,800 --> 01:47:30,320
another shell and click.
Oh, wait, I miscounted.

2095
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:33,080
I didn't touch his buck and he
turns and he runs off.

2096
01:47:33,080 --> 01:47:36,000
I'm like, oh, crap.
There's a little bit of sparse

2097
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,400
snow, and I'm thinking if I run
and I haul ass, I might be able

2098
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:42,600
to get to the top of this hill
and see him looking back or

2099
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,720
something, you know.
So I throw a couple shells in

2100
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:47,360
there and I start running and
I'm running to where he ran and

2101
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,040
and I'm trying to look down
where the sparse knows where his

2102
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,800
tracks are.
And I see blood spray all over

2103
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:54,000
the place.
And I stop and I'm looking at

2104
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,400
like, what the hell?
And I look up and he'd gotten

2105
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:57,520
around the corner and fill over
dead.

2106
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,920
That last shot went through his
heart.

2107
01:47:58,920 --> 01:47:59,880
You got him.
Yeah.

2108
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:05,800
And that buck just changed a
whole direction of dam.

2109
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:09,440
That's what Bill to I am now
because it that's what sent me

2110
01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:12,920
down this path, the hunting of
that buck and how I figured him

2111
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:14,840
out.
And then from there on, the rest

2112
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:17,640
is history, correct?
That's amazing.

2113
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:20,800
I appreciate your time.
Thanks for coming and chatting.

2114
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:22,640
This is fun.
It was awesome to hear your

2115
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,320
story.
Sorry if I made it too much

2116
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,200
about hunting, it's just what
I'm built of.

2117
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:29,040
I knew where I knew it was going
to happen anyway because that,

2118
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:33,120
like that, you know, I say we
tell the stories of the people,

2119
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,160
but that is you.
You know that that is you.

2120
01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:38,920
And, and quite frankly, I knew I
was going to get there too,

2121
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:41,560
because like, I, if I could pick
your brain for 8 hours, I

2122
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,800
probably would.
I'm, I'm one of many that that

2123
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:47,160
would.
So thanks for making the trip

2124
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:48,320
up.
I'm I'm going to take up your

2125
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:50,440
offer on, on one of the
workshops.

2126
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:53,160
Sounds fantastic.
Take care.